Re: houston's enzymes vs. kirkman's,any opinions?

[Guest guest]

I am a huge fan of kirkman's vitamins. But when it came to enzymes, I saw no

change in Austin with the enzymes.

With the Houston enzymes, I saw an almost immediate response.

My son had been gfcf for almost 1 year before we tried enzymes. I have heard

some children react better to one enzyme than another. It just depends on

the child.

In a message dated 12/29/01 4:58:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,

lahaina@... writes:

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[Guest guest]

-Hi,

We use the Houston enzymes for my son and have had GREAT success with

them helping his behaviors. We are currently still gf/cf and even

though we are strictly on the diet we still had amaizing changes in

behavior. My son was EXTREMELY agressive and obsessive to the point of

causing complete mayhem in our house. He woke up angry and nasty EVERY

morning and he still had some sensory issues that the diet alone did

not take care of. We started him on both the pep and zyme-prime in mid

OCT. and the first thing we noticed was he stopped waking up angry!

Then over the course of 4 weeks we slowly noticed his disposition

getting better, he started playing with his sister not attacking her

and pourpously trying to irritate her. All of his sensory issues have

gone for the most part and only return when he is really over tired or

hungry. His extreme obsessive behavior is mostly gone also exciept he

still obsesses over his cat(wont leave him alone poor kitty) but he is

no longer nasty to him. He used to obsess about stuff all day long in

the past. All of theese changes came after enzymes. We were STRICTLY

and still are on the diet and cant have egg or soy either and It

amaizes me he was still helped so much by enzymes. We had him Igg

allergy tested so we were pretty positive we weren't missing any of

his trigger foods. I am very greatful for Houston enzymes. We have not

tried any others so I can't be a fair judge as to who's is possibly

better I can only give you my experiences with what we use. My son is

3.3 years old. (at some point we plan on trying to have infractions

while on the enzymes)

Hope this helps,

Patti

-- In @y..., " lahaina63011 " <lahaina@s...> wrote:

> anyone have a preference besides cost? thanks, annie's momd

[Guest guest]

do enzymes work right away? arnt all enzymes the same?

does it matter which company you use?

--- tiredmamma18042 <CFRITCH@...> wrote:

> -Hi,

> We use the Houston enzymes for my son and have had

> GREAT success with

> them helping his behaviors. We are currently still

> gf/cf and even

> though we are strictly on the diet we still had

> amaizing changes in

> behavior. My son was EXTREMELY agressive and

> obsessive to the point of

> causing complete mayhem in our house. He woke up

> angry and nasty EVERY

> morning and he still had some sensory issues that

> the diet alone did

> not take care of. We started him on both the pep and

> zyme-prime in mid

> OCT. and the first thing we noticed was he stopped

> waking up angry!

> Then over the course of 4 weeks we slowly noticed

> his disposition

> getting better, he started playing with his sister

> not attacking her

> and pourpously trying to irritate her. All of his

> sensory issues have

> gone for the most part and only return when he is

> really over tired or

> hungry. His extreme obsessive behavior is mostly

> gone also exciept he

> still obsesses over his cat(wont leave him alone

> poor kitty) but he is

> no longer nasty to him. He used to obsess about

> stuff all day long in

> the past. All of theese changes came after enzymes.

> We were STRICTLY

> and still are on the diet and cant have egg or soy

> either and It

> amaizes me he was still helped so much by enzymes.

> We had him Igg

> allergy tested so we were pretty positive we weren't

> missing any of

> his trigger foods. I am very greatful for Houston

> enzymes. We have not

> tried any others so I can't be a fair judge as to

> who's is possibly

> better I can only give you my experiences with what

> we use. My son is

> 3.3 years old. (at some point we plan on trying to

> have infractions

> while on the enzymes)

> Hope this helps,

> Patti

>

> -- In @y..., " lahaina63011 "

> <lahaina@s...> wrote:

> > anyone have a preference besides cost? thanks,

> annie's momd

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[Guest guest]

>>do enzymes work right away? arnt all enzymes the same?

does it matter which company you use?

Hi Michele,

yes, enzymes work on contact - as soon as the wet enzymes come into

direct contact with the substance they break down. But each type of

enzyme works only on specific foods. A lipase works on fats, not

proteins, for example. Because each product is a different

formulation, you need to match the food type you want digested with

the right enzymes type. Different companies have different blends.

Certain people have certain concerns that factor into their choice.

For example, if you are truly allergic to pineapple, you need a

product that does not contain bromelain. It can have other

proteases, just not bromelain because bromelain comes directly from

pineapple.

Asking if Houston's enzymes or Kirkmans enzymes are best may not be

the right question. Houston makes Peptizyde for

casein/gluten/soy/meat proteins and it really does an outstanding

job on those foods. They also have Zyme Prime which is a very good,

strong all-purpose, broad spectrum product (did I get enough

adjective in there, lol). However, Carbo is also a strong broad

spectrum product, only without bromelain and papain. So is Vital

Zyme Forte or EnzymAid Companion. Truly, I am not sensitive to any

other foods besides casein, so I couldn't tell the difference

between any of those when we used them. However, someone else may

find one of these works much better for them than another. For

example, the since the Carbo doesn't have the bromelain, papain or

kiwi enzymes which are phenolic (I found that out for sure now), if

you are sensitive to phenols, you might do much better on it that

either Zyme Prime or Companion or Vital Zyme Forte which all contain

bromelain, papain or both.

Kirkmans makes EnzymAid for small amounts of casein/gluten. By most

all accounts, Peptizyde is more effective than EnzymAid...for that

matter, Complete is more effective than EnzymAid (what would be the

point of Kirkman creating a new product that was less effective than

one they already had!). If you compare EnzymAid Complete to

Peptizyde, then capsule per capsule Peptizyde is more effective on

casein/gluten/soy because it is more targeted to that group only and

more concentrated. But if you say for all foods then Complete would

work better because it contains the other enzymes in the same

capsule. Now you could say, is Peptizyde+Zyme Prime more effective

than 2 capsules of Complete for all food groups. Most everyone that

has used both company's products have reported that the Houston

enzymes are more effective (including my family). Not that Complete

is not effective, because many people are seeing very good

improvements with Complete, including when eating casein/gluten. It

is just the Houstons seem to be more effective in an efficient way.

A lot of people using Complete have never used the Houston ones. And

someone somewhere may find the Complete more effective but I have

never seen a post or heard a report saying this.

Now why might this be?! Inquiring minds want to know. For one

reason, a lot of people with autistic spectrum conditions have the

known problem of casein/gluten/soy breakdown. So this is a primary

concern and goal of a great many people looking into enzymes.

Peptizyde is the more efficient product for these foods, so it is no

surprise it gets overwhelming good reports. It takes three capsules

of Complete to equal the same amount of DPP IV " stuff " to break down

casein as is in one capsule of Peptizyde just going by the

quantities on the labels. Since casein breakdown is a major concern,

this is strong drawing point. Complete has a great deal more lipase

than the Houston enzymes, whatever way you want to look at it. It

has more lipase than most enzyme products on the market on the

entire planet. If lipase deficiency and fat breakdown were a major

known concern for parents - that is, parents saw their child have a

major breakdown whenever they ate even a tad of fat - then I have

little doubt that parents would be swarming over a product with high

lipase and everyone would be saying Complete is the most effective.

Kirkman also sells the DPP IV analog which is in Complete. I am not

even going to comment on this because until there is official word

on where this stuff comes from it is nearly impossible to evaluate

(safety, allergies, interactions, etc).

I know this got a little long, but the idea is to show how different

people evaluate products and the concerns that go into picking one.

Sometimes it just boils down to one works better than another for

someone for no known reason. Price and convenience and personal

preference also factor in.

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