Re: Day 4- not looking good

[Guest guest]

Stacey,

Is there any indication that the child is more aware? Sometimes when there is

a change the tantruming comes with a greater awareness of surroundings

etc.....

for example the child starts to throw the remote control from the TV when

before they never even touched the remote control ever

Rich

[Guest guest]

--Stacey,

this is exactly how my son was 24/7 before diet and enzymes. Are you

gf/cf? It is possible that he is going through a withdrawl from the

peptides that were making him so " mild mannered " before. I have read

that some kids become more aware and possibly that it is sensory

overload? Is there any possiblity that he is celiac? If so the

peptizide would not work with gluten infractions.

Patti

- In @y..., " Stacey " <staceydaniel@m...> wrote:

> Hi group

>

> We are into Day 4 giving 1/3 Pep with meals and snacks and things

could not be worse. My son is 2 1/2 and has always been sooooo mild.

We have never had a problems with tantrums before and since I started

the Pep on Sat, he seems like he is lost to me. I reported earlier

about the green stool so that leads me to believe something is going

on with the enzymes. We have been sitting him down to eat and then

the tantrum starts. He starts throwing himself out of the chair and

then arching his back so you can not restrain him. I never thought a

2 year old could be so strong. He has also had trouble transistioning

from one thing to another. If we say " come on let's go take a bath " ,

he freaks out on us. My husband and I are at a loss as to what to do.

It seems to be getting worse too. He is having a bad time at

preschool also.

>

> We are only giving Pep at the moment. Can anyone suggest anything?

Is this normal? Will adding in Zyme Prime possibly help?

>

> I read over the files section looking for help and saw the file on

what to expect behavior wise. So far, I have not seen any increased

stimming or hyperactivity. Just major tantrums which we have never

had to deal with before.

>

> It's hard to stick this out. Anyone have any thoughts?

>

> Thanks

>

> Stacey

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh dear you will probably get lots of answers here but I would start on Zyme it

is not as strong and even then just half a cap with each meal then step it up

slowly then if thats ok introduce the pep at an even much slower rate depending

on reactions, thats how we did it infact I am just using Zyme at the moment and

will retry with the pep shortly very very slowly it is very strong.

You could be having other issues like the phenols - but hopefully someone else

will advise on that I don't really know much on that. Don't be afraid to take

it very slow.

Regards

Terri NZ

[ ] Day 4- not looking good

Hi group

We are into Day 4 giving 1/3 Pep with meals and snacks and things could not be

worse. My son is 2 1/2 and has always been sooooo mild. We have never had a

problems with tantrums before and since I started the Pep on Sat, he seems like

he is lost to me. I reported earlier about the green stool so that leads me to

believe something is going on with the enzymes. We have been sitting him down

to eat and then the tantrum starts. He starts throwing himself out of the chair

and then arching his back so you can not restrain him. I never thought a 2 year

old could be so strong. He has also had trouble transistioning from one thing

to another. If we say " come on let's go take a bath " , he freaks out on us. My

husband and I are at a loss as to what to do. It seems to be getting worse too.

He is having a bad time at preschool also.

We are only giving Pep at the moment. Can anyone suggest anything? Is this

normal? Will adding in Zyme Prime possibly help?

I read over the files section looking for help and saw the file on what to

expect behavior wise. So far, I have not seen any increased stimming or

hyperactivity. Just major tantrums which we have never had to deal with before.

It's hard to stick this out. Anyone have any thoughts?

Thanks

Stacey

[Guest guest]

Patti-

well, I thought we were GFCF but I am not sure we are 100%. Maybe he is having

some withdrawal things going on. I have to wonder too if it is the taste of the

enzymes. Today I tried to give him some sugar free jello. He took one bite

with out enzymes just fine. Then I sprinkled a little into the next bite and he

wigged out and started a tantrum to keep from having another bite.

has never been this way prior to the diet and since. I have always

had the luxury of having this mild mannered little guy- detached as he is- but

mild without tantrums.

I should have put in the subject line of this post " Houston- we have a problem "

LOL

stacey

amazed with herself that she has a sense of humor still

[ ] Re: Day 4- not looking good

--Stacey,

this is exactly how my son was 24/7 before diet and enzymes. Are you

gf/cf? It is possible that he is going through a withdrawl from the

peptides that were making him so " mild mannered " before. I have read

that some kids become more aware and possibly that it is sensory

overload? Is there any possiblity that he is celiac? If so the

peptizide would not work with gluten infractions.

Patti

- In @y..., " Stacey " <staceydaniel@m...> wrote:

> Hi group

>

> We are into Day 4 giving 1/3 Pep with meals and snacks and things

could not be worse. My son is 2 1/2 and has always been sooooo mild.

We have never had a problems with tantrums before and since I started

the Pep on Sat, he seems like he is lost to me. I reported earlier

about the green stool so that leads me to believe something is going

on with the enzymes. We have been sitting him down to eat and then

the tantrum starts. He starts throwing himself out of the chair and

then arching his back so you can not restrain him. I never thought a

2 year old could be so strong. He has also had trouble transistioning

from one thing to another. If we say " come on let's go take a bath " ,

he freaks out on us. My husband and I are at a loss as to what to do.

It seems to be getting worse too. He is having a bad time at

preschool also.

>

> We are only giving Pep at the moment. Can anyone suggest anything?

Is this normal? Will adding in Zyme Prime possibly help?

>

> I read over the files section looking for help and saw the file on

what to expect behavior wise. So far, I have not seen any increased

stimming or hyperactivity. Just major tantrums which we have never

had to deal with before.

>

> It's hard to stick this out. Anyone have any thoughts?

>

> Thanks

>

> Stacey

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dinae that is exactly what I mean..

Rich

[Guest guest]

> We are only giving Pep at the moment. Can anyone suggest anything?

Is this normal? Will adding in Zyme Prime possibly help?

My son was absolutely positively 100% gfcf when I started Pep. In

fact, he only ate white rice, corn, chicken, and turkey, which I KNEW

he tolerated. He STILL had reactions from Pep, from the *minute*

amounts of sunflower seed oil I was using.

I would recommend you either reduce the quantity of Pep, or use the ZP

instead. I stopped the Pep and used ZP for several weeks, which

incidentally also caused a reaction altho much milder, then I added

the Pep back. The reactions were mild and definitely tolerable, and

right now my kids are throwing little plastic " ball pit " balls at each

other, sort of like a pillow fight or snow ball fight [the SoCal

version of snow LOL] altho less potential for destruction of my house,

but much more messy to clean up, altho I will make THEM clean it up

LOL

You can also consider the new Pep with none of the ingredients that

occasionally cause kids problems.

I hope that helped. Good luck.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> Is there any indication that the child is more aware? Sometimes when there

is

> a change the tantruming comes with a greater awareness of surroundings

> etc.....

>

> for example the child starts to throw the remote control from the TV when

> before they never even touched the remote control ever

> Rich

This was my thinking also. My son is 2 1/2 also. He has just recently

started doing some of the same things, such as arching the back. I'm happy

though because he's actually starting to act like other two year olds I

know. Before, he wasn't interested in his surroundings. He didn't look at

things, didn't try new things. He was almost like a new born that did

nothing. Does this sound like your child?

Diane

[Guest guest]

I'm new to this list but reading this made me remember when I started my son on

enzymes (different brand) when he was 3 and he became violent. The enzymes had

rice flour in them which he was allergic to.

[ ] Day 4- not looking good

Hi group

We are into Day 4 giving 1/3 Pep with meals and snacks and things could not be

worse. My son is 2 1/2 and has always been sooooo mild. We have never had a

problems with tantrums before and since I started the Pep on Sat, he seems like

he is lost to me. I reported earlier about the green stool so that leads me to

believe something is going on with the enzymes. We have been sitting him down

to eat and then the tantrum starts. He starts throwing himself out of the chair

and then arching his back so you can not restrain him. I never thought a 2 year

old could be so strong. He has also had trouble transistioning from one thing

to another. If we say " come on let's go take a bath " , he freaks out on us. My

husband and I are at a loss as to what to do. It seems to be getting worse too.

He is having a bad time at preschool also.

We are only giving Pep at the moment. Can anyone suggest anything? Is this

normal? Will adding in Zyme Prime possibly help?

I read over the files section looking for help and saw the file on what to

expect behavior wise. So far, I have not seen any increased stimming or

hyperactivity. Just major tantrums which we have never had to deal with before.

It's hard to stick this out. Anyone have any thoughts?

Thanks

Stacey

[Guest guest]

I did notice that he was a little more interested in a new toy today but not

much. Other than that, I have not noticed any new awareness. Tonite he started

slapping his ears in frustration and this is entirely new to us. I am having a

hard time holding on to the fact that hopefully there will be light at the end

of the tunnel. It just seems like I am making him so much worse. What if I

lose him entirely and we wind up in a worse boat than when we started? I am

getting really worried.

stacey

Re: [ ] Day 4- not looking good

Stacey,

Is there any indication that the child is more aware? Sometimes when there is

a change the tantruming comes with a greater awareness of surroundings

etc.....

for example the child starts to throw the remote control from the TV when

before they never even touched the remote control ever

Rich

[Guest guest]

Stacey,

I'm so sorry you're having to watch your child go through this. I am

certainly no expert, but I have read many times on this list that the

first 3 weeks were awful, and then suddenly a new child emerged.

Most of the time, posts like this are followed by - " I'm so glad I

didn't give up " . I sure hope it's just withdrawl with your little

guy.

God Bless,

Sally

> I did notice that he was a little more interested in a new toy

today but not much. Other than that, I have not noticed any new

awareness. Tonite he started slapping his ears in frustration and

this is entirely new to us. I am having a hard time holding on to

the fact that hopefully there will be light at the end of the

tunnel. It just seems like I am making him so much worse. What if I

lose him entirely and we wind up in a worse boat than when we

started? I am getting really worried.

>

> stacey

> Re: [ ] Day 4- not looking good

>

>

> Stacey,

>

> Is there any indication that the child is more aware? Sometimes

when there is

> a change the tantruming comes with a greater awareness of

surroundings

> etc.....

>

> for example the child starts to throw the remote control from the

TV when

> before they never even touched the remote control ever

> Rich

>

>