Re: minerals during chelation + stool test

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In a message dated 5/17/02 3:20:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, CFRITCH@...

writes:

> the mercury list that that was mentioned in your reply is indeed a

> great place to gain knowledge. If you are not familiar with it here is

> a link:

>

I agree, but don't EVER mention the 8 hour cycle! Andy Cutler believes

it to be an extremely dangerous protocol and has even intimated that people

who follow this protocol are harming their kids.

Margaret

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i don't understand why you are chelating without having put in some

time on the mercury-autism board.

chelation is a dangerous process and you need to have your own

knowledge and not rely exclusively on someone else

don't u know there are disagreements with dr. amys protocol?

> Hello,

> Forgive the cross post.

> We had our consult with a Dr for chelation today. Overall, I really

> liked him. He was very patient with my 5 yr old who was climbing up

> the walls + he seemed very familiar with Dr Amy's protocal.

>

> I have two questions though-

> 1)He was pretty adament that minerals not be taken during the

> chelation cycle. I was under the impression that minerals were to

be

> taken all the time? Could someone give me their feedback? (He was

> also very insistant that we give minerals during the " off " time to

> replenish his system.

>

> 2)He sent us home with a stool kit to test for yeast. When I read

the

> directions, it said not to give digestive enzymes during the 2 days

> of testing. I'm scared to live two days without our Houston's!! How

> important is this?

>

> Thanks for your help!

> Joan

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--Joan,

the mercury list that that was mentioned in your reply is indeed a

great place to gain knowledge. If you are not familiar with it here is

a link:

/

also there are some pretty knowledgeable people on this list as well

so I am sure you will get your answers as well. I cannot answer them

but will be reading the responses as we are considering chelation as well.

Best of luck to you and keep us posted!

Patti

- In @y..., " joan111582 " <Joan111582@a...> wrote:

> Hello,

> Forgive the cross post.

> We had our consult with a Dr for chelation today. Overall, I really

> liked him. He was very patient with my 5 yr old who was climbing up

> the walls + he seemed very familiar with Dr Amy's protocal.

>

> I have two questions though-

> 1)He was pretty adament that minerals not be taken during the

> chelation cycle. I was under the impression that minerals were to be

> taken all the time? Could someone give me their feedback? (He was

> also very insistant that we give minerals during the " off " time to

> replenish his system.

>

> 2)He sent us home with a stool kit to test for yeast. When I read the

> directions, it said not to give digestive enzymes during the 2 days

> of testing. I'm scared to live two days without our Houston's!! How

> important is this?

>

> Thanks for your help!

> Joan

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> 1)He was pretty adament that minerals not be taken during the

> chelation cycle. I was under the impression that minerals were to

be taken all the time?

Andy Cutler is very insistant that you DO take minerals during the

on and off cycle. Here is a post from Andy on that and you can ask

for more clarification on the autism treatment board if someone here

doesn't know.

" << Should minerals be stopped on the days giving DMSA and LA of the

protocol mentioned above? >>

Minerals should never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever be stopped

or even varied depending on whether the kid is taking a chelator or

not. The literature is exceptionally clear on this for anyone who

goes over the published numbers, or who goes over the urine tests

for people before and during chelation.

I apologize for not failing more premeds who didn't like using their

calculators when I taught freshman chem. These people have developed

some pretty harmful superstitions about chelating by not being

willing to use numbers to figure out how it really works.

Andy Cutler "

>>>2)He sent us home with a stool kit to test for yeast. When I read

the directions, it said not to give digestive enzymes during the 2

days of testing.

The stool test will not be 100% definitive as it is. It is a general

guideline, but is not absolute to determine if you have a yeast

problem or not. This was mentioned before. I don't know WHY this is

necessary but I would suggest you ask and please report back so the

rest of us will know why too.

You may want to keep close tabs with others doing chelation because

there are so many disagreements. Does your doctor spend a lot of

time on this?

.

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> i don't understand why you are chelating without having put in some

> time on the mercury-autism board.

I have put in quite a bit of time on the mercury-autism board which

is what motivated me to try chelation. This is one of the places I

cross posted but so far, it hasn't shown up.

>

> chelation is a dangerous process and you need to have your own

> knowledge and not rely exclusively on someone else

I agree that chelation can be dangerous which is why I decided to

seek a Dr's help. We did two rounds alone of DMSA with success but

I'd rather have some help before adding ALA. My decision and one I'm

comfortable with.

>

> don't u know there are disagreements with dr. amys protocol?

>

As I understand it, there are disagreements with ANY chelation

protocol. Find 5 critics of Dr Amy's protocol and you can find 5 more

against Andy Cutler (who's protocol I follow and admire.)

Joan

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the reasoning behind the frequent dosing protocol is that unless

blood levels of ala are kept up the transported mercury falls back

iinto the body cells which can be disasterous in the case of the

brain.

i thnk the problem with chelating is that mercury never fixes that

well to the chelator, if you keep up consistent levels of the

chelator then any mercury that falls off the chelator is like likely

to be picked up again by another chelator molecule floating around

and not fix onto a body compound again. its all about sulphur as far

as i can see, ala has two sulphur molecules together which makes it

more attractive than the single sulphur molecules in other body

compunds, but only like more attractive...

its understanding how things work and not one person verus another

i do think that selenium, zinc and sulphur(msm) have a role to play

in detoxifying mercury but this is not the same as chelation.

> > i don't understand why you are chelating without having put in

some

> > time on the mercury-autism board.

>

> I have put in quite a bit of time on the mercury-autism board which

> is what motivated me to try chelation. This is one of the places I

> cross posted but so far, it hasn't shown up.

>

>

> >

> > chelation is a dangerous process and you need to have your own

> > knowledge and not rely exclusively on someone else

>

> I agree that chelation can be dangerous which is why I decided to

> seek a Dr's help. We did two rounds alone of DMSA with success but

> I'd rather have some help before adding ALA. My decision and one

I'm

> comfortable with.

>

> >

> > don't u know there are disagreements with dr. amys protocol?

> >

>

> As I understand it, there are disagreements with ANY chelation

> protocol. Find 5 critics of Dr Amy's protocol and you can find 5

more

> against Andy Cutler (who's protocol I follow and admire.)

>

> Joan

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> 2)He sent us home with a stool kit to test for yeast. When I read the

> directions, it said not to give digestive enzymes during the 2 days

> of testing. I'm scared to live two days without our Houston's!! How

> important is this?

>

Joan- our doctor told me that the enzymes would intefere with the test results

because the test also indicates how well the body is digesting food. So, the

use of enzymes would give the test a false reading.

Stacey

> Thanks for your help!

> Joan

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> Hello,

> Forgive the cross post.

> We had our consult with a Dr for chelation today. Overall, I really

> liked him. He was very patient with my 5 yr old who was climbing up

> the walls + he seemed very familiar with Dr Amy's protocal.

I use a combination of Dr. Amy/DAN protocol and Andy Cutler's

protocol, plus a little of " Dana's protocol " , this works for my kids.

>

> I have two questions though-

> 1)He was pretty adament that minerals not be taken during the

> chelation cycle. I was under the impression that minerals were to be

> taken all the time? Could someone give me their feedback? (He was

> also very insistant that we give minerals during the " off " time to

> replenish his system.

I do not give minerals during the round, only between rounds. I found

it works better for my kids doing it this way. But some people say

all supplements should be given all the time. So I guess it depends

on your own child and on who you want to believe.

>

> 2)He sent us home with a stool kit to test for yeast. When I read

the

> directions, it said not to give digestive enzymes during the 2 days

> of testing. I'm scared to live two days without our Houston's!! How

> important is this?

I know when my kids have a yeast issue without any testing. So I

would personally give enzymes and NOT do the test. Altho you can do

both, give enzymes AND do the test. But you can treat yeast without

an rx, so I don't know that the test is required anyway. But you can

do it if you want to.

Dana

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> I agree, but don't EVER mention the 8 hour cycle!

I mention the 8 hour cycle that I use for my family, and I have never

been flamed for it. But some kids truly do not do well with 8 hour,

but they do okay with 4 hour.

>>Andy Cutler believes

> it to be an extremely dangerous protocol and has even intimated that

people

> who follow this protocol are harming their kids.

He has never done so for me, and in fact he has actually encouraged a

few people to go ahead with 8 hour protocol for a few reasons. But in

general, you are correct, he does very strongly believe in the 4 hour

protocol.

Dana