Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 Eileen, Yes, I am pre-surg and no, I haven't yet spoken to Father about this. I am extremely paranoid about it, even with just braces. My bride is a eucharistic minister in our parish and when she came home and told me all the precautions that are taken for any hosts or pieces of host that may be dropped, I really started to worry about getting a piece caught in my brackets and then flossing it out! I expect I'll figure a way to put the host between my cheek and gum (no I don't chew! :-) ) and let it melt. But, that's a good thought about speaking to my priest. One option would be to have just a small piece of the host. When eucharistic ministers come around to hospitals they generally break just a small piece off the host they have and that's all you receive. Dammit > Hi Dammit, > > I saw an old post of yours about receiving communion while banded. If > I recall, you haven't had your surgery yet, right? Have you perhaps > talked to your priest about this? I didn't get communion last Sunday, > but as my banding time stretches on, I think I'll go see the priest. > Are you supposed to put it in between your cheek and gums? > > Thanks, > Eileen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 First place, I am neither a Roman Catholic nor an Anglican, although I was raised in the faith of the latter. Am I mistaken in thinking that the usual method of service of the Mass in the Roman church was once to dip the bread in the wine? Surely if Roman Communion wafers are anything like Anglican ones, that very nearly dissolves them. And I cannot but believe, although I am no longer of your faith, whatever it be, that a loving and forgiving God cares more for your devotion to the observances than the tiny details of how they happen. I was working today at the newspaper, where one of my tasks is to collect snippets from our city's past, for daily publication on anniversaries. In 1954, Mobile's Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (now a Basilica) was badly damaged by fire. A good Catholic reporter, working then, detailed in his column the efforts to preserve the host, consecrated and otherwise. The firefighters would not allow the Cathedral rector to enter the church, in which visibility was about six inches because of smoke. He was determined to safeguard the wine and wafers that were on the altar. He spotted two firefighters who had been altar boys, and, although apparently lay people were not permitted to touch the host, he gave them a special and extraordinary instruction to do so, in order to rescue the sacred items. They indeed went into the cathedral, at considerable personal risk, and accomplished their mission. Almost immediately after they got out, the floor they'd just walked on collapsed, the fire raging beneath them. Extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary actions and dispensations, I, a non-believer, believe. I would try not to worry. If you miss the consolation of that particular part of the faith, surely you can find others in the care and affection with which you approach the church. And, I hope, it approaches you. You both sound like sincere and devoted people, who share a connection with your churchly brethren and your families. Just one heathern's thoughts.. Cammie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 First place, I am neither a Roman Catholic nor an Anglican, although I was raised in the faith of the latter. Am I mistaken in thinking that the usual method of service of the Mass in the Roman church was once to dip the bread in the wine? Surely if Roman Communion wafers are anything like Anglican ones, that very nearly dissolves them. And I cannot but believe, although I am no longer of your faith, whatever it be, that a loving and forgiving God cares more for your devotion to the observances than the tiny details of how they happen. I was working today at the newspaper, where one of my tasks is to collect snippets from our city's past, for daily publication on anniversaries. In 1954, Mobile's Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (now a Basilica) was badly damaged by fire. A good Catholic reporter, working then, detailed in his column the efforts to preserve the host, consecrated and otherwise. The firefighters would not allow the Cathedral rector to enter the church, in which visibility was about six inches because of smoke. He was determined to safeguard the wine and wafers that were on the altar. He spotted two firefighters who had been altar boys, and, although apparently lay people were not permitted to touch the host, he gave them a special and extraordinary instruction to do so, in order to rescue the sacred items. They indeed went into the cathedral, at considerable personal risk, and accomplished their mission. Almost immediately after they got out, the floor they'd just walked on collapsed, the fire raging beneath them. Extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary actions and dispensations, I, a non-believer, believe. I would try not to worry. If you miss the consolation of that particular part of the faith, surely you can find others in the care and affection with which you approach the church. And, I hope, it approaches you. You both sound like sincere and devoted people, who share a connection with your churchly brethren and your families. Just one heathern's thoughts.. Cammie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 First place, I am neither a Roman Catholic nor an Anglican, although I was raised in the faith of the latter. Am I mistaken in thinking that the usual method of service of the Mass in the Roman church was once to dip the bread in the wine? Surely if Roman Communion wafers are anything like Anglican ones, that very nearly dissolves them. And I cannot but believe, although I am no longer of your faith, whatever it be, that a loving and forgiving God cares more for your devotion to the observances than the tiny details of how they happen. I was working today at the newspaper, where one of my tasks is to collect snippets from our city's past, for daily publication on anniversaries. In 1954, Mobile's Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (now a Basilica) was badly damaged by fire. A good Catholic reporter, working then, detailed in his column the efforts to preserve the host, consecrated and otherwise. The firefighters would not allow the Cathedral rector to enter the church, in which visibility was about six inches because of smoke. He was determined to safeguard the wine and wafers that were on the altar. He spotted two firefighters who had been altar boys, and, although apparently lay people were not permitted to touch the host, he gave them a special and extraordinary instruction to do so, in order to rescue the sacred items. They indeed went into the cathedral, at considerable personal risk, and accomplished their mission. Almost immediately after they got out, the floor they'd just walked on collapsed, the fire raging beneath them. Extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary actions and dispensations, I, a non-believer, believe. I would try not to worry. If you miss the consolation of that particular part of the faith, surely you can find others in the care and affection with which you approach the church. And, I hope, it approaches you. You both sound like sincere and devoted people, who share a connection with your churchly brethren and your families. Just one heathern's thoughts.. Cammie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 OK, Thanks, Dammit. I haven't had any problems with braces. I'm not a chewer either :-) So I've had no problems. I'll let you know what happens, since I'm going to deal with this tomorrow. :-) Eileen > > Hi Dammit, > > > > I saw an old post of yours about receiving communion while banded. > If > > I recall, you haven't had your surgery yet, right? Have you perhaps > > talked to your priest about this? I didn't get communion last > Sunday, > > but as my banding time stretches on, I think I'll go see the > priest. > > Are you supposed to put it in between your cheek and gums? > > > > Thanks, > > Eileen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 Hi, Cammie. I've never seen the host dipped in the wine in a Catholic service. The host and the wine are taken separately. I don't know if it's always been like that, but that's all I've even known. I obviously will not be drinking from the cup--I can't even handle water! UGH. My lips are not cooperating with me right now. But you're absolutely right. And I'm not stressing about it. It's just been 2 weeks, and I miss that part of the service. I miss opening my mouth, too. But this will come in time. Eileen :-) > First place, I am neither a Roman Catholic nor an Anglican, although > I was raised in the faith of the latter. > > Am I mistaken in thinking that the usual method of service of the > Mass in the Roman church was once to dip the bread in the wine? > Surely if Roman Communion wafers are anything like Anglican ones, > that very nearly dissolves them. > > And I cannot but believe, although I am no longer of your faith, > whatever it be, that a loving and forgiving God cares more for your > devotion to the observances than the tiny details of how they happen. > > I was working today at the newspaper, where one of my tasks is to > collect snippets from our city's past, for daily publication on > anniversaries. In 1954, Mobile's Cathedral of the Immaculate > Conception (now a Basilica) was badly damaged by fire. A good > Catholic reporter, working then, detailed in his column the efforts > to preserve the host, consecrated and otherwise. The firefighters > would not allow the Cathedral rector to enter the church, in which > visibility was about six inches because of smoke. He was determined > to safeguard the wine and wafers that were on the altar. He spotted > two firefighters who had been altar boys, and, although apparently > lay people were not permitted to touch the host, he gave them a > special and extraordinary instruction to do so, in order to rescue > the sacred items. They indeed went into the cathedral, at > considerable personal risk, and accomplished their mission. Almost > immediately after they got out, the floor they'd just walked on > collapsed, the fire raging beneath them. > > Extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary actions and > dispensations, I, a non-believer, believe. I would try not to worry. > If you miss the consolation of that particular part of the faith, > surely you can find others in the care and affection with which you > approach the church. And, I hope, it approaches you. You both sound > like sincere and devoted people, who share a connection with your > churchly brethren and your families. > > Just one heathern's thoughts.. > > Cammie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 Eileen, you must be a young 'un. In the days of my long-ago youth, at least around here, the layman was not permitted to touch either the " common chalice " nor the paten (isn't that the word for the plate that carries the bread? It's been a long time.) Instead, the parishioner knelt before the altar rail, usually with outstretched tongue, and the priest moved from one to another, dipping the bread into the wine, and placing the host on the parishioner's tongue. The changes, I think, came along with Pope XXIIIrd. the one who was ne Roncalli, and Vatican II. I hope that the solace of communion, in the sense of fellowship with your community of believers, will help to get you, and others, through a period without Communion, in the sense of the holy bread and wine. C. > Hi, Cammie. > > I've never seen the host dipped in the wine in a Catholic service. The > host and the wine are taken separately. I don't know if it's always > been like that, but that's all I've even known. I obviously will not > be drinking from the cup--I can't even handle water! UGH. My lips are > not cooperating with me right now. > > But you're absolutely right. And I'm not stressing about it. It's just > been 2 weeks, and I miss that part of the service. I miss opening my > mouth, too. But this will come in time. > > Eileen :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 Eileen, you must be a young 'un. In the days of my long-ago youth, at least around here, the layman was not permitted to touch either the " common chalice " nor the paten (isn't that the word for the plate that carries the bread? It's been a long time.) Instead, the parishioner knelt before the altar rail, usually with outstretched tongue, and the priest moved from one to another, dipping the bread into the wine, and placing the host on the parishioner's tongue. The changes, I think, came along with Pope XXIIIrd. the one who was ne Roncalli, and Vatican II. I hope that the solace of communion, in the sense of fellowship with your community of believers, will help to get you, and others, through a period without Communion, in the sense of the holy bread and wine. C. > Hi, Cammie. > > I've never seen the host dipped in the wine in a Catholic service. The > host and the wine are taken separately. I don't know if it's always > been like that, but that's all I've even known. I obviously will not > be drinking from the cup--I can't even handle water! UGH. My lips are > not cooperating with me right now. > > But you're absolutely right. And I'm not stressing about it. It's just > been 2 weeks, and I miss that part of the service. I miss opening my > mouth, too. But this will come in time. > > Eileen :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 I'm 33--am I still a young 'un? ;-) I vaguely remember when I was a little kid we had an altar railing, but they ripped it out and started the standing/with your hands communion. I've seen the paten in the movies (Heaven Help Us and others) but that's about it. I'm definitely a post-Vatican II baby! I'll think of myself as a young 'un for a while, while I put wrinkle cream on my eyes. LOL! Eileen :-) > > Hi, Cammie. > > > > I've never seen the host dipped in the wine in a Catholic service. > The > > host and the wine are taken separately. I don't know if it's always > > been like that, but that's all I've even known. I obviously will not > > be drinking from the cup--I can't even handle water! UGH. My lips > are > > not cooperating with me right now. > > > > But you're absolutely right. And I'm not stressing about it. It's > just > > been 2 weeks, and I miss that part of the service. I miss opening my > > mouth, too. But this will come in time. > > > > Eileen :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 I'm 33--am I still a young 'un? ;-) I vaguely remember when I was a little kid we had an altar railing, but they ripped it out and started the standing/with your hands communion. I've seen the paten in the movies (Heaven Help Us and others) but that's about it. I'm definitely a post-Vatican II baby! I'll think of myself as a young 'un for a while, while I put wrinkle cream on my eyes. LOL! Eileen :-) > > Hi, Cammie. > > > > I've never seen the host dipped in the wine in a Catholic service. > The > > host and the wine are taken separately. I don't know if it's always > > been like that, but that's all I've even known. I obviously will not > > be drinking from the cup--I can't even handle water! UGH. My lips > are > > not cooperating with me right now. > > > > But you're absolutely right. And I'm not stressing about it. It's > just > > been 2 weeks, and I miss that part of the service. I miss opening my > > mouth, too. But this will come in time. > > > > Eileen :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 Ms. Cammie, Unfortunately dipping the host in the wine is not an option, and is highly frowned upon. As Eileen so aptly put it in her reply, the issue is this is a very important part of our faith, and something that makes one feel incomplete if it is missing from the service. It's almost as if we feel that without taking communion, the Mass isn't complete. Your story shows just how important what appears to those outside the faith to be just water and wine is to those who are in it. Thanks for your thoughts! Dammit > First place, I am neither a Roman Catholic nor an Anglican, although > I was raised in the faith of the latter. > > Am I mistaken in thinking that the usual method of service of the > Mass in the Roman church was once to dip the bread in the wine? > Surely if Roman Communion wafers are anything like Anglican ones, > that very nearly dissolves them. > > And I cannot but believe, although I am no longer of your faith, > whatever it be, that a loving and forgiving God cares more for your > devotion to the observances than the tiny details of how they happen. > > I was working today at the newspaper, where one of my tasks is to > collect snippets from our city's past, for daily publication on > anniversaries. In 1954, Mobile's Cathedral of the Immaculate > Conception (now a Basilica) was badly damaged by fire. A good > Catholic reporter, working then, detailed in his column the efforts > to preserve the host, consecrated and otherwise. The firefighters > would not allow the Cathedral rector to enter the church, in which > visibility was about six inches because of smoke. He was determined > to safeguard the wine and wafers that were on the altar. He spotted > two firefighters who had been altar boys, and, although apparently > lay people were not permitted to touch the host, he gave them a > special and extraordinary instruction to do so, in order to rescue > the sacred items. They indeed went into the cathedral, at > considerable personal risk, and accomplished their mission. Almost > immediately after they got out, the floor they'd just walked on > collapsed, the fire raging beneath them. > > Extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary actions and > dispensations, I, a non-believer, believe. I would try not to worry. > If you miss the consolation of that particular part of the faith, > surely you can find others in the care and affection with which you > approach the church. And, I hope, it approaches you. You both sound > like sincere and devoted people, who share a connection with your > churchly brethren and your families. > > Just one heathern's thoughts.. > > Cammie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 Ms. Cammie, Unfortunately dipping the host in the wine is not an option, and is highly frowned upon. As Eileen so aptly put it in her reply, the issue is this is a very important part of our faith, and something that makes one feel incomplete if it is missing from the service. It's almost as if we feel that without taking communion, the Mass isn't complete. Your story shows just how important what appears to those outside the faith to be just water and wine is to those who are in it. Thanks for your thoughts! Dammit > First place, I am neither a Roman Catholic nor an Anglican, although > I was raised in the faith of the latter. > > Am I mistaken in thinking that the usual method of service of the > Mass in the Roman church was once to dip the bread in the wine? > Surely if Roman Communion wafers are anything like Anglican ones, > that very nearly dissolves them. > > And I cannot but believe, although I am no longer of your faith, > whatever it be, that a loving and forgiving God cares more for your > devotion to the observances than the tiny details of how they happen. > > I was working today at the newspaper, where one of my tasks is to > collect snippets from our city's past, for daily publication on > anniversaries. In 1954, Mobile's Cathedral of the Immaculate > Conception (now a Basilica) was badly damaged by fire. A good > Catholic reporter, working then, detailed in his column the efforts > to preserve the host, consecrated and otherwise. The firefighters > would not allow the Cathedral rector to enter the church, in which > visibility was about six inches because of smoke. He was determined > to safeguard the wine and wafers that were on the altar. He spotted > two firefighters who had been altar boys, and, although apparently > lay people were not permitted to touch the host, he gave them a > special and extraordinary instruction to do so, in order to rescue > the sacred items. They indeed went into the cathedral, at > considerable personal risk, and accomplished their mission. Almost > immediately after they got out, the floor they'd just walked on > collapsed, the fire raging beneath them. > > Extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary actions and > dispensations, I, a non-believer, believe. I would try not to worry. > If you miss the consolation of that particular part of the faith, > surely you can find others in the care and affection with which you > approach the church. And, I hope, it approaches you. You both sound > like sincere and devoted people, who share a connection with your > churchly brethren and your families. > > Just one heathern's thoughts.. > > Cammie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 Eileen, I asked Father about this at Mass this evening. His recommendation is to take the blood only. Full communion can consist of either the Body or Blood, or both. So, drink up if you can. That's what they have the cloths to wipe up after you're done. :-) Dammit > > > Hi Dammit, > > > > > > I saw an old post of yours about receiving communion while banded. > > If > > > I recall, you haven't had your surgery yet, right? Have you perhaps > > > talked to your priest about this? I didn't get communion last > > Sunday, > > > but as my banding time stretches on, I think I'll go see the > > priest. > > > Are you supposed to put it in between your cheek and gums? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Eileen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 Eileen, I asked Father about this at Mass this evening. His recommendation is to take the blood only. Full communion can consist of either the Body or Blood, or both. So, drink up if you can. That's what they have the cloths to wipe up after you're done. :-) Dammit > > > Hi Dammit, > > > > > > I saw an old post of yours about receiving communion while banded. > > If > > > I recall, you haven't had your surgery yet, right? Have you perhaps > > > talked to your priest about this? I didn't get communion last > > Sunday, > > > but as my banding time stretches on, I think I'll go see the > > priest. > > > Are you supposed to put it in between your cheek and gums? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Eileen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 Eileen, I asked Father about this at Mass this evening. His recommendation is to take the blood only. Full communion can consist of either the Body or Blood, or both. So, drink up if you can. That's what they have the cloths to wipe up after you're done. :-) Dammit > > > Hi Dammit, > > > > > > I saw an old post of yours about receiving communion while banded. > > If > > > I recall, you haven't had your surgery yet, right? Have you perhaps > > > talked to your priest about this? I didn't get communion last > > Sunday, > > > but as my banding time stretches on, I think I'll go see the > > priest. > > > Are you supposed to put it in between your cheek and gums? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Eileen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2004 Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 My friend, Is it not fascinating how times can change perceptions? I hope that you know that I was not intending to minimize the importance of anything in your belief system. But honestly, the " dipping of the host " is how it was done routinely, by Archbishops and Monsignors, way back in the days of my long-ago youth, at least around here, a highly Catholic community. Of course, back then nobody ate " meat " on Fridays and fast days, either, which truly was no hardship here on the Gulf Coast, in the land of marvelous seafood. A dozen fresh oysters on the half shell is no sacrifice, in my book! And no, I think I do understand about transubstantiation and consubstantiation, and of course I respect the beliefs of those who ascribe. Being a full participant in a community of believers, I think, is indeed important to those who can do so. My mother was sustained through her dying years by her faith and that of the friends who gave her generous prayers. I will be interested to hear what your priests and counselors have to say about how this is possible, if one feels " outside " without taking in the Host. I am confident, still, that the God in whom I have troubles believing, if He's a decent fellow, would not fault His believers for their brief and temporary disabilities. Or even for long-term ones. Best, Cammie > Ms. Cammie, > > Unfortunately dipping the host in the wine is not an option, and is > highly frowned upon. As Eileen so aptly put it in her reply, the > issue is this is a very important part of our faith, and something > that makes one feel incomplete if it is missing from the service. > It's almost as if we feel that without taking communion, the Mass > isn't complete. > > Your story shows just how important what appears to those outside > the faith to be just water and wine is to those who are in it. > Thanks for your thoughts! > > Dammit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2004 Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 I don't think that is an option for me. I have little control over my lips, and whatever I try to drink goes all over me, and I would fear back into the cup. uck. I can handle a dixie cup, but that's about it. (I'm still splinted and tightly banded.) Maybe I'll talk to my priest tonight--I go to the Sunday evening hip-young 'un mass ;-) But I hope to get my bands off on Monday, so maybe this is the last I have to worry about it. (Let's hope!) Thanks so much, Dammit! Eileen > > > > Hi Dammit, > > > > > > > > I saw an old post of yours about receiving communion while > banded. > > > If > > > > I recall, you haven't had your surgery yet, right? Have you > perhaps > > > > talked to your priest about this? I didn't get communion last > > > Sunday, > > > > but as my banding time stretches on, I think I'll go see the > > > priest. > > > > Are you supposed to put it in between your cheek and gums? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Eileen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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