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Eileen,

Yes, I am pre-surg and no, I haven't yet spoken to Father about

this. I am extremely paranoid about it, even with just braces. My

bride is a eucharistic minister in our parish and when she came home

and told me all the precautions that are taken for any hosts or

pieces of host that may be dropped, I really started to worry about

getting a piece caught in my brackets and then flossing it out!

I expect I'll figure a way to put the host between my cheek and gum

(no I don't chew! :-) ) and let it melt. But, that's a good thought

about speaking to my priest.

One option would be to have just a small piece of the host. When

eucharistic ministers come around to hospitals they generally break

just a small piece off the host they have and that's all you

receive.

Dammit

> Hi Dammit,

>

> I saw an old post of yours about receiving communion while banded.

If

> I recall, you haven't had your surgery yet, right? Have you perhaps

> talked to your priest about this? I didn't get communion last

Sunday,

> but as my banding time stretches on, I think I'll go see the

priest.

> Are you supposed to put it in between your cheek and gums?

>

> Thanks,

> Eileen

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First place, I am neither a Roman Catholic nor an Anglican, although

I was raised in the faith of the latter.

Am I mistaken in thinking that the usual method of service of the

Mass in the Roman church was once to dip the bread in the wine?

Surely if Roman Communion wafers are anything like Anglican ones,

that very nearly dissolves them.

And I cannot but believe, although I am no longer of your faith,

whatever it be, that a loving and forgiving God cares more for your

devotion to the observances than the tiny details of how they happen.

I was working today at the newspaper, where one of my tasks is to

collect snippets from our city's past, for daily publication on

anniversaries. In 1954, Mobile's Cathedral of the Immaculate

Conception (now a Basilica) was badly damaged by fire. A good

Catholic reporter, working then, detailed in his column the efforts

to preserve the host, consecrated and otherwise. The firefighters

would not allow the Cathedral rector to enter the church, in which

visibility was about six inches because of smoke. He was determined

to safeguard the wine and wafers that were on the altar. He spotted

two firefighters who had been altar boys, and, although apparently

lay people were not permitted to touch the host, he gave them a

special and extraordinary instruction to do so, in order to rescue

the sacred items. They indeed went into the cathedral, at

considerable personal risk, and accomplished their mission. Almost

immediately after they got out, the floor they'd just walked on

collapsed, the fire raging beneath them.

Extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary actions and

dispensations, I, a non-believer, believe. I would try not to worry.

If you miss the consolation of that particular part of the faith,

surely you can find others in the care and affection with which you

approach the church. And, I hope, it approaches you. You both sound

like sincere and devoted people, who share a connection with your

churchly brethren and your families.

Just one heathern's thoughts..

Cammie

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First place, I am neither a Roman Catholic nor an Anglican, although

I was raised in the faith of the latter.

Am I mistaken in thinking that the usual method of service of the

Mass in the Roman church was once to dip the bread in the wine?

Surely if Roman Communion wafers are anything like Anglican ones,

that very nearly dissolves them.

And I cannot but believe, although I am no longer of your faith,

whatever it be, that a loving and forgiving God cares more for your

devotion to the observances than the tiny details of how they happen.

I was working today at the newspaper, where one of my tasks is to

collect snippets from our city's past, for daily publication on

anniversaries. In 1954, Mobile's Cathedral of the Immaculate

Conception (now a Basilica) was badly damaged by fire. A good

Catholic reporter, working then, detailed in his column the efforts

to preserve the host, consecrated and otherwise. The firefighters

would not allow the Cathedral rector to enter the church, in which

visibility was about six inches because of smoke. He was determined

to safeguard the wine and wafers that were on the altar. He spotted

two firefighters who had been altar boys, and, although apparently

lay people were not permitted to touch the host, he gave them a

special and extraordinary instruction to do so, in order to rescue

the sacred items. They indeed went into the cathedral, at

considerable personal risk, and accomplished their mission. Almost

immediately after they got out, the floor they'd just walked on

collapsed, the fire raging beneath them.

Extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary actions and

dispensations, I, a non-believer, believe. I would try not to worry.

If you miss the consolation of that particular part of the faith,

surely you can find others in the care and affection with which you

approach the church. And, I hope, it approaches you. You both sound

like sincere and devoted people, who share a connection with your

churchly brethren and your families.

Just one heathern's thoughts..

Cammie

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First place, I am neither a Roman Catholic nor an Anglican, although

I was raised in the faith of the latter.

Am I mistaken in thinking that the usual method of service of the

Mass in the Roman church was once to dip the bread in the wine?

Surely if Roman Communion wafers are anything like Anglican ones,

that very nearly dissolves them.

And I cannot but believe, although I am no longer of your faith,

whatever it be, that a loving and forgiving God cares more for your

devotion to the observances than the tiny details of how they happen.

I was working today at the newspaper, where one of my tasks is to

collect snippets from our city's past, for daily publication on

anniversaries. In 1954, Mobile's Cathedral of the Immaculate

Conception (now a Basilica) was badly damaged by fire. A good

Catholic reporter, working then, detailed in his column the efforts

to preserve the host, consecrated and otherwise. The firefighters

would not allow the Cathedral rector to enter the church, in which

visibility was about six inches because of smoke. He was determined

to safeguard the wine and wafers that were on the altar. He spotted

two firefighters who had been altar boys, and, although apparently

lay people were not permitted to touch the host, he gave them a

special and extraordinary instruction to do so, in order to rescue

the sacred items. They indeed went into the cathedral, at

considerable personal risk, and accomplished their mission. Almost

immediately after they got out, the floor they'd just walked on

collapsed, the fire raging beneath them.

Extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary actions and

dispensations, I, a non-believer, believe. I would try not to worry.

If you miss the consolation of that particular part of the faith,

surely you can find others in the care and affection with which you

approach the church. And, I hope, it approaches you. You both sound

like sincere and devoted people, who share a connection with your

churchly brethren and your families.

Just one heathern's thoughts..

Cammie

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OK, Thanks, Dammit. I haven't had any problems with braces. I'm not a

chewer either :-) So I've had no problems. I'll let you know what

happens, since I'm going to deal with this tomorrow. :-)

Eileen

> > Hi Dammit,

> >

> > I saw an old post of yours about receiving communion while banded.

> If

> > I recall, you haven't had your surgery yet, right? Have you perhaps

> > talked to your priest about this? I didn't get communion last

> Sunday,

> > but as my banding time stretches on, I think I'll go see the

> priest.

> > Are you supposed to put it in between your cheek and gums?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Eileen

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Hi, Cammie.

I've never seen the host dipped in the wine in a Catholic service. The

host and the wine are taken separately. I don't know if it's always

been like that, but that's all I've even known. I obviously will not

be drinking from the cup--I can't even handle water! UGH. My lips are

not cooperating with me right now.

But you're absolutely right. And I'm not stressing about it. It's just

been 2 weeks, and I miss that part of the service. I miss opening my

mouth, too. But this will come in time.

Eileen :-)

> First place, I am neither a Roman Catholic nor an Anglican, although

> I was raised in the faith of the latter.

>

> Am I mistaken in thinking that the usual method of service of the

> Mass in the Roman church was once to dip the bread in the wine?

> Surely if Roman Communion wafers are anything like Anglican ones,

> that very nearly dissolves them.

>

> And I cannot but believe, although I am no longer of your faith,

> whatever it be, that a loving and forgiving God cares more for your

> devotion to the observances than the tiny details of how they happen.

>

> I was working today at the newspaper, where one of my tasks is to

> collect snippets from our city's past, for daily publication on

> anniversaries. In 1954, Mobile's Cathedral of the Immaculate

> Conception (now a Basilica) was badly damaged by fire. A good

> Catholic reporter, working then, detailed in his column the efforts

> to preserve the host, consecrated and otherwise. The firefighters

> would not allow the Cathedral rector to enter the church, in which

> visibility was about six inches because of smoke. He was determined

> to safeguard the wine and wafers that were on the altar. He spotted

> two firefighters who had been altar boys, and, although apparently

> lay people were not permitted to touch the host, he gave them a

> special and extraordinary instruction to do so, in order to rescue

> the sacred items. They indeed went into the cathedral, at

> considerable personal risk, and accomplished their mission. Almost

> immediately after they got out, the floor they'd just walked on

> collapsed, the fire raging beneath them.

>

> Extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary actions and

> dispensations, I, a non-believer, believe. I would try not to worry.

> If you miss the consolation of that particular part of the faith,

> surely you can find others in the care and affection with which you

> approach the church. And, I hope, it approaches you. You both sound

> like sincere and devoted people, who share a connection with your

> churchly brethren and your families.

>

> Just one heathern's thoughts..

>

> Cammie

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Eileen, you must be a young 'un.

In the days of my long-ago youth, at least around here, the layman

was not permitted to touch either the " common chalice " nor the paten

(isn't that the word for the plate that carries the bread? It's been

a long time.) Instead, the parishioner knelt before the altar rail,

usually with outstretched tongue, and the priest moved from one to

another, dipping the bread into the wine, and placing the host on the

parishioner's tongue. The changes, I think, came along with Pope

XXIIIrd. the one who was ne Roncalli, and Vatican II.

I hope that the solace of communion, in the sense of fellowship with

your community of believers, will help to get you, and others,

through a period without Communion, in the sense of the holy bread

and wine.

C.

> Hi, Cammie.

>

> I've never seen the host dipped in the wine in a Catholic service.

The

> host and the wine are taken separately. I don't know if it's always

> been like that, but that's all I've even known. I obviously will not

> be drinking from the cup--I can't even handle water! UGH. My lips

are

> not cooperating with me right now.

>

> But you're absolutely right. And I'm not stressing about it. It's

just

> been 2 weeks, and I miss that part of the service. I miss opening my

> mouth, too. But this will come in time.

>

> Eileen :-)

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Eileen, you must be a young 'un.

In the days of my long-ago youth, at least around here, the layman

was not permitted to touch either the " common chalice " nor the paten

(isn't that the word for the plate that carries the bread? It's been

a long time.) Instead, the parishioner knelt before the altar rail,

usually with outstretched tongue, and the priest moved from one to

another, dipping the bread into the wine, and placing the host on the

parishioner's tongue. The changes, I think, came along with Pope

XXIIIrd. the one who was ne Roncalli, and Vatican II.

I hope that the solace of communion, in the sense of fellowship with

your community of believers, will help to get you, and others,

through a period without Communion, in the sense of the holy bread

and wine.

C.

> Hi, Cammie.

>

> I've never seen the host dipped in the wine in a Catholic service.

The

> host and the wine are taken separately. I don't know if it's always

> been like that, but that's all I've even known. I obviously will not

> be drinking from the cup--I can't even handle water! UGH. My lips

are

> not cooperating with me right now.

>

> But you're absolutely right. And I'm not stressing about it. It's

just

> been 2 weeks, and I miss that part of the service. I miss opening my

> mouth, too. But this will come in time.

>

> Eileen :-)

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I'm 33--am I still a young 'un? ;-) I vaguely remember when I was a

little kid we had an altar railing, but they ripped it out and started

the standing/with your hands communion. I've seen the paten in the

movies (Heaven Help Us and others) but that's about it. I'm definitely

a post-Vatican II baby!

I'll think of myself as a young 'un for a while, while I put wrinkle

cream on my eyes. LOL!

Eileen :-)

> > Hi, Cammie.

> >

> > I've never seen the host dipped in the wine in a Catholic service.

> The

> > host and the wine are taken separately. I don't know if it's always

> > been like that, but that's all I've even known. I obviously will not

> > be drinking from the cup--I can't even handle water! UGH. My lips

> are

> > not cooperating with me right now.

> >

> > But you're absolutely right. And I'm not stressing about it. It's

> just

> > been 2 weeks, and I miss that part of the service. I miss opening my

> > mouth, too. But this will come in time.

> >

> > Eileen :-)

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I'm 33--am I still a young 'un? ;-) I vaguely remember when I was a

little kid we had an altar railing, but they ripped it out and started

the standing/with your hands communion. I've seen the paten in the

movies (Heaven Help Us and others) but that's about it. I'm definitely

a post-Vatican II baby!

I'll think of myself as a young 'un for a while, while I put wrinkle

cream on my eyes. LOL!

Eileen :-)

> > Hi, Cammie.

> >

> > I've never seen the host dipped in the wine in a Catholic service.

> The

> > host and the wine are taken separately. I don't know if it's always

> > been like that, but that's all I've even known. I obviously will not

> > be drinking from the cup--I can't even handle water! UGH. My lips

> are

> > not cooperating with me right now.

> >

> > But you're absolutely right. And I'm not stressing about it. It's

> just

> > been 2 weeks, and I miss that part of the service. I miss opening my

> > mouth, too. But this will come in time.

> >

> > Eileen :-)

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Ms. Cammie,

Unfortunately dipping the host in the wine is not an option, and is

highly frowned upon. As Eileen so aptly put it in her reply, the

issue is this is a very important part of our faith, and something

that makes one feel incomplete if it is missing from the service.

It's almost as if we feel that without taking communion, the Mass

isn't complete.

Your story shows just how important what appears to those outside

the faith to be just water and wine is to those who are in it.

Thanks for your thoughts!

Dammit

> First place, I am neither a Roman Catholic nor an Anglican,

although

> I was raised in the faith of the latter.

>

> Am I mistaken in thinking that the usual method of service of the

> Mass in the Roman church was once to dip the bread in the wine?

> Surely if Roman Communion wafers are anything like Anglican ones,

> that very nearly dissolves them.

>

> And I cannot but believe, although I am no longer of your faith,

> whatever it be, that a loving and forgiving God cares more for

your

> devotion to the observances than the tiny details of how they

happen.

>

> I was working today at the newspaper, where one of my tasks is to

> collect snippets from our city's past, for daily publication on

> anniversaries. In 1954, Mobile's Cathedral of the Immaculate

> Conception (now a Basilica) was badly damaged by fire. A good

> Catholic reporter, working then, detailed in his column the

efforts

> to preserve the host, consecrated and otherwise. The firefighters

> would not allow the Cathedral rector to enter the church, in which

> visibility was about six inches because of smoke. He was

determined

> to safeguard the wine and wafers that were on the altar. He

spotted

> two firefighters who had been altar boys, and, although apparently

> lay people were not permitted to touch the host, he gave them a

> special and extraordinary instruction to do so, in order to rescue

> the sacred items. They indeed went into the cathedral, at

> considerable personal risk, and accomplished their mission. Almost

> immediately after they got out, the floor they'd just walked on

> collapsed, the fire raging beneath them.

>

> Extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary actions and

> dispensations, I, a non-believer, believe. I would try not to

worry.

> If you miss the consolation of that particular part of the faith,

> surely you can find others in the care and affection with which

you

> approach the church. And, I hope, it approaches you. You both

sound

> like sincere and devoted people, who share a connection with your

> churchly brethren and your families.

>

> Just one heathern's thoughts..

>

> Cammie

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Ms. Cammie,

Unfortunately dipping the host in the wine is not an option, and is

highly frowned upon. As Eileen so aptly put it in her reply, the

issue is this is a very important part of our faith, and something

that makes one feel incomplete if it is missing from the service.

It's almost as if we feel that without taking communion, the Mass

isn't complete.

Your story shows just how important what appears to those outside

the faith to be just water and wine is to those who are in it.

Thanks for your thoughts!

Dammit

> First place, I am neither a Roman Catholic nor an Anglican,

although

> I was raised in the faith of the latter.

>

> Am I mistaken in thinking that the usual method of service of the

> Mass in the Roman church was once to dip the bread in the wine?

> Surely if Roman Communion wafers are anything like Anglican ones,

> that very nearly dissolves them.

>

> And I cannot but believe, although I am no longer of your faith,

> whatever it be, that a loving and forgiving God cares more for

your

> devotion to the observances than the tiny details of how they

happen.

>

> I was working today at the newspaper, where one of my tasks is to

> collect snippets from our city's past, for daily publication on

> anniversaries. In 1954, Mobile's Cathedral of the Immaculate

> Conception (now a Basilica) was badly damaged by fire. A good

> Catholic reporter, working then, detailed in his column the

efforts

> to preserve the host, consecrated and otherwise. The firefighters

> would not allow the Cathedral rector to enter the church, in which

> visibility was about six inches because of smoke. He was

determined

> to safeguard the wine and wafers that were on the altar. He

spotted

> two firefighters who had been altar boys, and, although apparently

> lay people were not permitted to touch the host, he gave them a

> special and extraordinary instruction to do so, in order to rescue

> the sacred items. They indeed went into the cathedral, at

> considerable personal risk, and accomplished their mission. Almost

> immediately after they got out, the floor they'd just walked on

> collapsed, the fire raging beneath them.

>

> Extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary actions and

> dispensations, I, a non-believer, believe. I would try not to

worry.

> If you miss the consolation of that particular part of the faith,

> surely you can find others in the care and affection with which

you

> approach the church. And, I hope, it approaches you. You both

sound

> like sincere and devoted people, who share a connection with your

> churchly brethren and your families.

>

> Just one heathern's thoughts..

>

> Cammie

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Eileen,

I asked Father about this at Mass this evening. His recommendation

is to take the blood only. Full communion can consist of either the

Body or Blood, or both. So, drink up if you can. That's what they

have the cloths to wipe up after you're done. :-)

Dammit

> > > Hi Dammit,

> > >

> > > I saw an old post of yours about receiving communion while

banded.

> > If

> > > I recall, you haven't had your surgery yet, right? Have you

perhaps

> > > talked to your priest about this? I didn't get communion last

> > Sunday,

> > > but as my banding time stretches on, I think I'll go see the

> > priest.

> > > Are you supposed to put it in between your cheek and gums?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Eileen

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Eileen,

I asked Father about this at Mass this evening. His recommendation

is to take the blood only. Full communion can consist of either the

Body or Blood, or both. So, drink up if you can. That's what they

have the cloths to wipe up after you're done. :-)

Dammit

> > > Hi Dammit,

> > >

> > > I saw an old post of yours about receiving communion while

banded.

> > If

> > > I recall, you haven't had your surgery yet, right? Have you

perhaps

> > > talked to your priest about this? I didn't get communion last

> > Sunday,

> > > but as my banding time stretches on, I think I'll go see the

> > priest.

> > > Are you supposed to put it in between your cheek and gums?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Eileen

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Eileen,

I asked Father about this at Mass this evening. His recommendation

is to take the blood only. Full communion can consist of either the

Body or Blood, or both. So, drink up if you can. That's what they

have the cloths to wipe up after you're done. :-)

Dammit

> > > Hi Dammit,

> > >

> > > I saw an old post of yours about receiving communion while

banded.

> > If

> > > I recall, you haven't had your surgery yet, right? Have you

perhaps

> > > talked to your priest about this? I didn't get communion last

> > Sunday,

> > > but as my banding time stretches on, I think I'll go see the

> > priest.

> > > Are you supposed to put it in between your cheek and gums?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Eileen

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My friend,

Is it not fascinating how times can change perceptions? I hope that

you know that I was not intending to minimize the importance of

anything in your belief system.

But honestly, the " dipping of the host " is how it was done routinely,

by Archbishops and Monsignors, way back in the days of my long-ago

youth, at least around here, a highly Catholic community. Of course,

back then nobody ate " meat " on Fridays and fast days, either, which

truly was no hardship here on the Gulf Coast, in the land of

marvelous seafood. A dozen fresh oysters on the half shell is no

sacrifice, in my book!

And no, I think I do understand about transubstantiation and

consubstantiation, and of course I respect the beliefs of those who

ascribe. Being a full participant in a community of believers, I

think, is indeed important to those who can do so. My mother was

sustained through her dying years by her faith and that of the

friends who gave her generous prayers.

I will be interested to hear what your priests and counselors have

to say about how this is possible, if one feels " outside " without

taking in the Host.

I am confident, still, that the God in whom I have troubles

believing, if He's a decent fellow, would not fault His believers for

their brief and temporary disabilities. Or even for long-term ones.

Best,

Cammie

> Ms. Cammie,

>

> Unfortunately dipping the host in the wine is not an option, and is

> highly frowned upon. As Eileen so aptly put it in her reply, the

> issue is this is a very important part of our faith, and something

> that makes one feel incomplete if it is missing from the service.

> It's almost as if we feel that without taking communion, the Mass

> isn't complete.

>

> Your story shows just how important what appears to those outside

> the faith to be just water and wine is to those who are in it.

> Thanks for your thoughts!

>

> Dammit

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I don't think that is an option for me. I have little control over my

lips, and whatever I try to drink goes all over me, and I would fear

back into the cup. uck. I can handle a dixie cup, but that's about it.

(I'm still splinted and tightly banded.) Maybe I'll talk to my priest

tonight--I go to the Sunday evening hip-young 'un mass ;-) But I hope

to get my bands off on Monday, so maybe this is the last I have to

worry about it. (Let's hope!)

Thanks so much, Dammit!

Eileen

> > > > Hi Dammit,

> > > >

> > > > I saw an old post of yours about receiving communion while

> banded.

> > > If

> > > > I recall, you haven't had your surgery yet, right? Have you

> perhaps

> > > > talked to your priest about this? I didn't get communion last

> > > Sunday,

> > > > but as my banding time stretches on, I think I'll go see the

> > > priest.

> > > > Are you supposed to put it in between your cheek and gums?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Eileen

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