RE: Re: &

September 6, 2003

,

I'm sorry that I'm butting in here but I just had to say something.

Stop right there! Don't have second thoughts! If you want this surgery,

if you think it's right for you, DO NOT LISTEN TO ANYONE ELSE. The only

person's opinion that should matter to you is your own at this point.

This is NOT an easy way out. If it were so easy don't you think that the

diet afterwards would be a little less strict? It's tougher than

anything you will ever do in your entire life, including childbirth! I

know first hand. Yes the surgery usually is a breeze, but afterwards,

you have to change your entire lifestyle. Some people say, well why

don't you just follow the post-op diet and loose the weight that way?

It's not that easy. You're still the same person, you still have the

same cravings and feelings about food, and you still have the same

stomach telling you it's okay, eat the brownie, eat the whole batch!

After surgery, you have to be careful because you have a much smaller

area to work with. Then it's your head telling you to eat more than you

should or eat things (like sweets) that you shouldn't, but you won't be

able to. Your new stomach won't let you. It's just not that simple if

you do it on your own.

Also, does your brother have a weight problem? If not, then what right

does he have to say anything? My sister was the same way when I told

her. She's been a size 4 all of her life even after 4 children and has

never had to fight to keep the fat away. When I told her, she thought I

was insane that I should just try another diet or weight watchers or

something but I was determined. I told her that until she's walked in my

shoes that she should keep her opinions to herself. Now, after surgery,

she understands more why I made the decision that I did and is proud of

me for sticking to my convictions. Her opinion didn't really matter

before but I'm glad that she is supportive now. If he does have a weight

problem, maybe he's just jealous that you're doing something about yours

and he didn't have the guts? I don't know, I'm just offering my opinion.

Not trying to stir up a hornet's nest or anything.

The important thing to remember is that you want to change something in

yourself. It really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, you need to

make the decision alone. Support is great from family and friends but

they aren't the ones living your life.

Sorry again for butting in but I just couldn't help it. If you need to

chat, email me. Good luck in your journey.

432/370/170

Lap RNY 6/20/03

Re: &

Thanks, Deb. I really needed to see this right now. I just told my

brother about the surgery and he told me he thought I was taking the

easy way out and it was way too risky. He's seriously making me have

second thoughts.

> It won't be long and Girl's you'll be right with us losing

> people.I'm happy & feel WONDERFUL and I hope it will not long for

> you.It will be the best thing and the greatest moment of your

> Life.New and also Wonderful.I can say that from what I gone

> through.Just hang in there and soon it will be you all Losing that

> ugly FAT like I am.God Bless and take everyday a new and WONDERFUL

> DAY.a friend debkroll of Iowa down 36 lbs since Aug.14,2003.

December 29, 2010

On Wednesday, December 29, 2010 07:02, " Mike " McEvoyMike@...> said:

> Nurses worldwide owe J&J a

> tremendous debt of gratitude for the groundswell of positive energy they have

> created towards the nursing profession.

I'm not sure I buy that. Their efforts to improve recruitment and retention

place artificial dynamics into the workforce, which makes me worth less, not

more. Maybe the hospital administrators and educators appreciate that, but as

an individual nurse, I am not impressed. Nurses benefit from a shortage, not

from solving it.

It has been clear for some time now that the best way to stabilise the nursing

workforce is to increase the percentage of males in the profession. I didn't

see any men in that commercial. Instead, they feed into the same old

stereotypes that have gotten nursing where it is now.

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

Rob

December 29, 2010

Mike I agree J&J (A NJ Company BTW) does a great thing for the nurse

community but come on admit it the EMS side is left out on this one. They simply

don't portray real world EMS. As for them helping EMS if only we had some

real Association at some level????

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

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discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

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I

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In a message dated 12/29/2010 2:41:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,

McEvoyMike@... writes:

I rarely post on this group but would like to point out that J&J has spent

more than $50 million on a multi-year campaign to improve the image of

nursing in the US, recruit more nurses to the profession, and help retain

those already there. Their support of nursing has been astounding (see:

http://campaignfornursing.com/press/files/Campaign_Overview_030107.pdf) and the

results impressive. While you might not find the advertsing accurate, what

advertising campaign is not embellished by the advertising executives

being paid to produce sexy material that pushes a message out? Nurses

worldwide owe J&J a tremendous debt of gratitude for the groundswell of

positive

energy they have created towards the nursing profession.

Rather than bash the company for their perceived inaccurate portrayals of

nurses, or impingments on our profession, wouldn't it be nice to see a

major corporation initiate a like campaing to promote EMS? That would rock.

Mike:)

Mike McEvoy, PhD, REMT-P, RN, CCRN

EMS Coordinator - Saratoga County, NY

Prof. Emeritus - Albany Medical College, NY

>

> From: rick.moore@...

> Subject: RE: &

> To: texasems-l

> Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 7:45 AM

>

> Ã‚

>

> All great points, you are right it may have been better to show a

flight nurse, but then I am sure there would have been people offended because

it implied that only nurses flew on med evacs. I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t know maybe I

just think differently than the average bear but I canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t be offended

about

this commercial. It does what it is designed to do and show the variety of

the nursing profession and I just canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t buy that because of it the

entire world now thinks that EMS professionals are idiots and nurses are the

world saviors. Great conversation though!

>

> Rick

>

> From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of rob.davis@...

>

> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:43 AM

>

> To: texasems-l

>

> Subject: Re: &

>

> Timely thread! Multiple quotes and comments in-line:

>

> I have just started to see this commercial again this week after an

absence of a couple of years. Maybe they hoped the furor had died down. I can't

imagine that the nursing shortage has gotten any worse, with the economy

as it is. More likely, the station was just desperate for something to fill

their " public service announcement " requirement, and dusted the cobwebs off

the first thing they saw on the shelf.

>

> As both a medic and a nurse, I am offended on both levels. As a medic, I

am offended that nursing is presented in the role that is our specific

turf. As a nurse, I am offended that the producers of the spot feel that my

profession is too boring to stand on it's own merits, and thus must spice it

up with misleading representations.

>

> Yes, both professions can be found in both settings. However, when they

use a field setting as HALF of the scenarios in the ad, it is obvious that

those who produced it either have a very poor understanding of nursing, or

else intentionally set out to mislead the public.

>

> It would have been a better commercial, on both a realistic and dramatic

level, if they had substituted a helicopter for the ambulance. I suppose

that wasn't in the production budget though.

>

> Heck, let's show nurses dodging bullets and mortars in Iraq with an M4

on their back. Let's show them doing unsupervised surgery in a dark, olive

drab canvas tent. Or, if we want it to be even more realistic, let's show

nurses busting the chops of a medic who just brought them a mismanaged

patient. Those are all realistic representations of a great many nurses, unlike

what is shown in this commercial.

>

> Rick.moore@... said:

>

> > Would an ad for EMS depict nursing home transfers or dialysis runs?

>

> Excellent point! Our EMS educators tend to do a very poor job of

representing reality to prospective medics, so I would expect NAEMT or any

other

advocacy group who produced recruiting ads, to do much the same thing. If

there is an educator out there who is being boldly honest with his/her

students about what they are really getting into, I'd like to buy him/her

dinner.

Instead, we get n00bs fresh out of school with overinflated heads,

convinced that they are " educated " and " professionals " who are going to save

the

world with the ABC's, and are too good for dialysis runs.

>

> " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " > said:

>

> > Larger Membership bases seemingly because they give a damn perhaps?

Just sayin.

>

> Yep. The largest percentage of those who enter EMS have zero intention

of ever making it a career. Hell, most of them have zero intention of even

making it a job. They're just looking for a hobby, or a ticket-punch for

getting hired as a fireman. Who really expects those people to put any money

or energy behind furthering the profession?

>

> Almost all nursing students have serious intention to make it a lifelong

career, excepting, of course, those who intend to quit as soon as they

marry a doctor. Plus, it is majority women, which is a downtrodden " minority " ,

who gets a lot more public and political sympathy than EMS ever will.

Witness the recent lack of concern over healthcare for 9/11 responders.

>

> It is what it is.

>

> Rob

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

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December 29, 2010

Mike I agree J&J (A NJ Company BTW) does a great thing for the nurse

community but come on admit it the EMS side is left out on this one. They simply

don't portray real world EMS. As for them helping EMS if only we had some

real Association at some level????

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

domain by the original author.

In a message dated 12/29/2010 2:41:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,

McEvoyMike@... writes:

I rarely post on this group but would like to point out that J&J has spent

more than $50 million on a multi-year campaign to improve the image of

nursing in the US, recruit more nurses to the profession, and help retain

those already there. Their support of nursing has been astounding (see:

http://campaignfornursing.com/press/files/Campaign_Overview_030107.pdf) and the

results impressive. While you might not find the advertsing accurate, what

advertising campaign is not embellished by the advertising executives

being paid to produce sexy material that pushes a message out? Nurses

worldwide owe J&J a tremendous debt of gratitude for the groundswell of

positive

energy they have created towards the nursing profession.

Rather than bash the company for their perceived inaccurate portrayals of

nurses, or impingments on our profession, wouldn't it be nice to see a

major corporation initiate a like campaing to promote EMS? That would rock.

Mike:)

Mike McEvoy, PhD, REMT-P, RN, CCRN

EMS Coordinator - Saratoga County, NY

Prof. Emeritus - Albany Medical College, NY

>

> From: rick.moore@...

> Subject: RE: &

> To: texasems-l

> Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 7:45 AM

>

> Ã‚

>

> All great points, you are right it may have been better to show a

flight nurse, but then I am sure there would have been people offended because

it implied that only nurses flew on med evacs. I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t know maybe I

just think differently than the average bear but I canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t be offended

about

this commercial. It does what it is designed to do and show the variety of

the nursing profession and I just canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t buy that because of it the

entire world now thinks that EMS professionals are idiots and nurses are the

world saviors. Great conversation though!

>

> Rick

>

> From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of rob.davis@...

>

> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:43 AM

>

> To: texasems-l

>

> Subject: Re: &

>

> Timely thread! Multiple quotes and comments in-line:

>

> I have just started to see this commercial again this week after an

absence of a couple of years. Maybe they hoped the furor had died down. I can't

imagine that the nursing shortage has gotten any worse, with the economy

as it is. More likely, the station was just desperate for something to fill

their " public service announcement " requirement, and dusted the cobwebs off

the first thing they saw on the shelf.

>

> As both a medic and a nurse, I am offended on both levels. As a medic, I

am offended that nursing is presented in the role that is our specific

turf. As a nurse, I am offended that the producers of the spot feel that my

profession is too boring to stand on it's own merits, and thus must spice it

up with misleading representations.

>

> Yes, both professions can be found in both settings. However, when they

use a field setting as HALF of the scenarios in the ad, it is obvious that

those who produced it either have a very poor understanding of nursing, or

else intentionally set out to mislead the public.

>

> It would have been a better commercial, on both a realistic and dramatic

level, if they had substituted a helicopter for the ambulance. I suppose

that wasn't in the production budget though.

>

> Heck, let's show nurses dodging bullets and mortars in Iraq with an M4

on their back. Let's show them doing unsupervised surgery in a dark, olive

drab canvas tent. Or, if we want it to be even more realistic, let's show

nurses busting the chops of a medic who just brought them a mismanaged

patient. Those are all realistic representations of a great many nurses, unlike

what is shown in this commercial.

>

> Rick.moore@... said:

>

> > Would an ad for EMS depict nursing home transfers or dialysis runs?

>

> Excellent point! Our EMS educators tend to do a very poor job of

representing reality to prospective medics, so I would expect NAEMT or any

other

advocacy group who produced recruiting ads, to do much the same thing. If

there is an educator out there who is being boldly honest with his/her

students about what they are really getting into, I'd like to buy him/her

dinner.

Instead, we get n00bs fresh out of school with overinflated heads,

convinced that they are " educated " and " professionals " who are going to save

the

world with the ABC's, and are too good for dialysis runs.

>

> " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " > said:

>

> > Larger Membership bases seemingly because they give a damn perhaps?

Just sayin.

>

> Yep. The largest percentage of those who enter EMS have zero intention

of ever making it a career. Hell, most of them have zero intention of even

making it a job. They're just looking for a hobby, or a ticket-punch for

getting hired as a fireman. Who really expects those people to put any money

or energy behind furthering the profession?

>

> Almost all nursing students have serious intention to make it a lifelong

career, excepting, of course, those who intend to quit as soon as they

marry a doctor. Plus, it is majority women, which is a downtrodden " minority " ,

who gets a lot more public and political sympathy than EMS ever will.

Witness the recent lack of concern over healthcare for 9/11 responders.

>

> It is what it is.

>

> Rob

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

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December 29, 2010

Rob,

There is at least one male in the commercial that has been discussed here.

Rick

Sent via Blackberry

From: rob.davis@...

Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 03:02 PM

To: texasems-l texasems-l >

Subject: RE: Re: &

On Wednesday, December 29, 2010 07:02, " Mike "

McEvoyMike@...> said:

> Nurses worldwide owe J&J a

> tremendous debt of gratitude for the groundswell of positive energy they have

> created towards the nursing profession.

I'm not sure I buy that. Their efforts to improve recruitment and retention

place artificial dynamics into the workforce, which makes me worth less, not

more. Maybe the hospital administrators and educators appreciate that, but as an

individual nurse, I am not impressed. Nurses benefit from a shortage, not from

solving it.

It has been clear for some time now that the best way to stabilise the nursing

workforce is to increase the percentage of males in the profession. I didn't see

any men in that commercial. Instead, they feed into the same old stereotypes

that have gotten nursing where it is now.

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

Rob

December 29, 2010

I must admit that Iâ€™ve gotten lost in the volley of email, but is there a link

to go see the particular commercial as first identified by Wes?

Toni

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf

Of rick.moore@...

Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:07 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Re: &

Rob,

There is at least one male in the commercial that has been discussed here.

Rick

Sent via Blackberry

From: rob.davis@...

[mailto:rob.davis@... ]

Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 03:02 PM

To: texasems-l

texasems-l >

Subject: RE: Re: &

On Wednesday, December 29, 2010 07:02, " Mike " McEvoyMike@...

> said:

> Nurses worldwide owe J&J a

> tremendous debt of gratitude for the groundswell of positive energy they have

> created towards the nursing profession.

I'm not sure I buy that. Their efforts to improve recruitment and retention

place artificial dynamics into the workforce, which makes me worth less, not

more. Maybe the hospital administrators and educators appreciate that, but as an

individual nurse, I am not impressed. Nurses benefit from a shortage, not from

solving it.

It has been clear for some time now that the best way to stabilise the nursing

workforce is to increase the percentage of males in the profession. I didn't see

any men in that commercial. Instead, they feed into the same old stereotypes

that have gotten nursing where it is now.

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

Rob

December 29, 2010

The one Wes talked about is here

_

December 29, 2010

Thank you, sir. I can see why the debate as to â€œnurseâ€ vs â€œpre-hospital

care providerâ€ in these scenarios.

While not necessarily offended as indicated by several, I have to agree that it

would be misleading. I canâ€™t say Iâ€™ve ever run a call where a nurse was on

scene prior to or along with me. Yet again, Iâ€™ve only been doing this since

2004.

I agree, though. It is impactful and would have grabbed my attention had I seen

that prior to entering paramedic school.

Toni

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf

Of lnmolino@...

Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:32 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Re: &

The one Wes talked about is here

_

December 29, 2010

The whole program is a 20 Million dollar effort on J & J's part which I

say more power to the Nurses that got yhis funded. I don't know if the nurses

approched J & J or the other way around but that's less relevant.

I'd love to see even 10% of that spent on EMS recruitment BUT dare I say

if a young man or woman asks me today what I'd do differently (I started in

1981) I point them to 2-year nursing programs even as a non paramedic..

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

domain by the original author.

In a message dated 12/29/2010 3:58:35 P.M. Central Standard Time,

toni_crippen@... writes:

Thank you, sir. I can see why the debate as to â€œnurseâ€ vs â€œpre-hospital

care providerâ€ in these scenarios.

While not necessarily offended as indicated by several, I have to agree

that it would be misleading. I canâ€™t say Iâ€™ve ever run a call where a

nurse

was on scene prior to or along with me. Yet again, Iâ€™ve only been doing

this since 2004.

I agree, though. It is impactful and would have grabbed my attention had

I seen that prior to entering paramedic school.

Toni

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of lnmolino@...

Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:32 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Re: &

The one Wes talked about is here

_

December 29, 2010

Until I retired as a RN last year (after 26 years), I would stop at accidents,

etc. However, that was an outgrowth of being a Firefighter, First Responder, an

EMT and then as a Paramedic. I would make a point of telling those I stop to

care for (and the EMS crews that arrive later) that I am a medic...and a nurse,

specfically in that order. People seemed to be more relaxed when I said I was a

medic, rather than when I said I was a nurse. I guess now, if the situation

presents itself, I will just not bother mention being a nurse. I remain a

Paramedic (since 1979), but do not actively practice clinically. My connection

to EMS remains through directing the BAAS in EMS Management degree program at

ENMU and as a volunteer with my local LEPC. I do still carry a BLS kit should I

encounter a situation (and there is a whole lot of nada between Portales and

Roswell, or Portales and Albuquerque).Larry , MS LP NMCEMDirector, BAAS in

EMS Management ProgramEastern New Mexico University - Portales NM USA

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