A couple more questions...

February 16, 2004

Hey everyone-

Just out of curiosity...even though this will not impact my decision

at all but did everyone that has had this done before have their oral

surgeon claim " medical emergency " for insurance. Or did you guys do

copay for like 50%? I guess my real question is how much did you guys

have your parents pay after insurance minus braces?

Also, for those that have complaints about the surgery, can you

please just bullet out that points for me? I have been reading a lot

but most of you just said that you don't like the looks. I consider

my bite a little bit serious and didnt want to fix it but my parents

think it is very important.

Please respond back soon...thanks so mcuh.

February 16, 2004

My insurance covered the whole surgery, with the exception only of a

$38 rental fee on a suction machine.

And nope. I didn't hear anything about a " medical emergency. " Medical

necessity, yes, but not a medical emergency.

I did pay almost all or my ortho fees.

I have no complaints.

Cammie

> Hey everyone-

> Just out of curiosity...even though this will not impact my

decision

> at all but did everyone that has had this done before have their

oral

> surgeon claim " medical emergency " for insurance. Or did you guys do

> copay for like 50%? I guess my real question is how much did you

guys

> have your parents pay after insurance minus braces?

>

> Also, for those that have complaints about the surgery, can you

> please just bullet out that points for me? I have been reading a

lot

> but most of you just said that you don't like the looks. I consider

> my bite a little bit serious and didnt want to fix it but my

parents

> think it is very important.

>

> Please respond back soon...thanks so mcuh.

February 16, 2004

Cammie,

what was the suction machine for?

That pre-existing stuff is kinda funny, if its congenital then there

wasn't a time when it wasn't there

Medical emergency - not being able to eat properly is a medical

emergency, possibly wearing out your jaw joints....

Shiloh

> > Hey everyone-

> > Just out of curiosity...even though this will not impact my

> decision

> > at all but did everyone that has had this done before have their

> oral

> > surgeon claim " medical emergency " for insurance. Or did you guys

do

> > copay for like 50%? I guess my real question is how much did you

> guys

> > have your parents pay after insurance minus braces?

> >

> > Also, for those that have complaints about the surgery, can you

> > please just bullet out that points for me? I have been reading a

> lot

> > but most of you just said that you don't like the looks. I

consider

> > my bite a little bit serious and didnt want to fix it but my

> parents

> > think it is very important.

> >

> > Please respond back soon...thanks so mcuh.

February 16, 2004

Hello sunsin04,

I will outline what happened to me when I trusted my surgeon to do a good

job. I only wish now that I had heard from some people whose operations did

not go well. It likely would have changed my mind.

1. The consent form did not mention the longstanding pain that I am

experiencing now.

2. I am currently unable to work and am losing a lot of money.

3. The pain and suffering post-op has been severe.

4. There are too many things that can go wrong with the complex workings of

the bones, muscles, ligaments, and tendons of the jaw.

6. Do not get this surgery unless you are in significant pain before the

surgery. It's not worth the risk.

>

>Reply-To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

>To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

>Subject: [Orthognathic Surgery Support ] A couple more questions...

>Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:26:42 -0000

>

>Hey everyone-

>Just out of curiosity...even though this will not impact my decision

>at all but did everyone that has had this done before have their oral

>surgeon claim " medical emergency " for insurance. Or did you guys do

>copay for like 50%? I guess my real question is how much did you guys

>have your parents pay after insurance minus braces?

>

>Also, for those that have complaints about the surgery, can you

>please just bullet out that points for me? I have been reading a lot

>but most of you just said that you don't like the looks. I consider

>my bite a little bit serious and didnt want to fix it but my parents

>think it is very important.

>

>Please respond back soon...thanks so mcuh.

>

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February 16, 2004

Hey-

WOW!!! That scares me a little bit. My oral surgeon specifally asked

if I was doing this for cosmetic reasons. I am just concerned that my

back teeth will be worn out in the future if I do not get it done.

Also, since I have a SMALL gap in between my two front teeth, I will

need braces and to also fix my bottom teeth a bit. Overall, I can't

believe you feel that way. That is TERRIBLE! Can you just tell me

your age if you dont mind and how long you have had these symptoms

for?

Thanks and I hope you get well soon!

> Hello sunsin04,

> I will outline what happened to me when I trusted my surgeon to do

a good

> job. I only wish now that I had heard from some people whose

operations did

> not go well. It likely would have changed my mind.

> 1. The consent form did not mention the longstanding pain that I am

> experiencing now.

> 2. I am currently unable to work and am losing a lot of money.

> 3. The pain and suffering post-op has been severe.

> 4. There are too many things that can go wrong with the complex

workings of

> the bones, muscles, ligaments, and tendons of the jaw.

> 6. Do not get this surgery unless you are in significant pain

before the

> surgery. It's not worth the risk.

>

> >From: " sunsin04 "

> >Reply-To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

> >To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

> >Subject: [Orthognathic Surgery Support ] A couple more

questions...

> >Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:26:42 -0000

> >

> >Hey everyone-

> >Just out of curiosity...even though this will not impact my

decision

> >at all but did everyone that has had this done before have their

oral

> >surgeon claim " medical emergency " for insurance. Or did you guys do

> >copay for like 50%? I guess my real question is how much did you

guys

> >have your parents pay after insurance minus braces?

> >

> >Also, for those that have complaints about the surgery, can you

> >please just bullet out that points for me? I have been reading a

lot

> >but most of you just said that you don't like the looks. I consider

> >my bite a little bit serious and didnt want to fix it but my

parents

> >think it is very important.

> >

> >Please respond back soon...thanks so mcuh.

> >

>

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February 16, 2004

Hi Mike,

I am sure you've gone into this before but I am curious to what you

had done and where exactly is the pain? Pain is a broad term, do

you have nerve pain, pain on chewing, opening, etc.

Also I am wondering what has your surgeons reponse been to the

pain? Will any drugs take it away for you?

Shiloh

> Hello sunsin04,

> I will outline what happened to me when I trusted my surgeon to do

a good

> job. I only wish now that I had heard from some people whose

operations did

> not go well. It likely would have changed my mind.

> 1. The consent form did not mention the longstanding pain that I

am

> experiencing now.

> 2. I am currently unable to work and am losing a lot of money.

> 3. The pain and suffering post-op has been severe.

> 4. There are too many things that can go wrong with the complex

workings of

> the bones, muscles, ligaments, and tendons of the jaw.

> 6. Do not get this surgery unless you are in significant pain

before the

> surgery. It's not worth the risk.

>

> >From: " sunsin04 "

> >Reply-To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

> >To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

> >Subject: [Orthognathic Surgery Support ] A couple more

questions...

> >Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:26:42 -0000

> >

> >Hey everyone-

> >Just out of curiosity...even though this will not impact my

decision

> >at all but did everyone that has had this done before have their

oral

> >surgeon claim " medical emergency " for insurance. Or did you guys

do

> >copay for like 50%? I guess my real question is how much did you

guys

> >have your parents pay after insurance minus braces?

> >

> >Also, for those that have complaints about the surgery, can you

> >please just bullet out that points for me? I have been reading a

lot

> >but most of you just said that you don't like the looks. I

consider

> >my bite a little bit serious and didnt want to fix it but my

parents

> >think it is very important.

> >

> >Please respond back soon...thanks so mcuh.

> >

>

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February 16, 2004

Hi Shiloh,

I had my lower jaw moved forward about 6mm last March to correct an overbite

problem. The pain is exclusively on my left jaw from about my ear to my

chin. It is constant pain(severe) since Christmas time and has not improved.

The pain is worse with increased chewing and talking, but is a dull,

pressurized, nerve pain. I am on strong anti-inflammatories and muscle

relaxants, with avoiding talking much and a blenderized diet, including

regular physio, etc., etc.. Nothing has relieved the pain yet. The experts

are still trying to figure out exactly what is wrong, but they seem to be

indicating that it was caused by the surgery, not a pre-existing condition.

A steroid blast may help. I am trying to be hopeful, but nobody else seems

to have had a similar situation-that I have been able to find out so far.

Sorry to complain like this, but I'm just trying to get some answers and

relief.

Thanks again

Mike

>From: till_shiloh no_reply >

>Reply-To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

>To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

>Subject: [Orthognathic Surgery Support ] Re: [Orthognathic Surgery

>Support ] A couple more questions...

>Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 04:27:55 -0000

>

>Hi Mike,

>I am sure you've gone into this before but I am curious to what you

>had done and where exactly is the pain? Pain is a broad term, do

>you have nerve pain, pain on chewing, opening, etc.

>

>Also I am wondering what has your surgeons reponse been to the

>pain? Will any drugs take it away for you?

>

>Shiloh

>

> > Hello sunsin04,

> > I will outline what happened to me when I trusted my surgeon to do

>a good

> > job. I only wish now that I had heard from some people whose

>operations did

> > not go well. It likely would have changed my mind.

> > 1. The consent form did not mention the longstanding pain that I

>am

> > experiencing now.

> > 2. I am currently unable to work and am losing a lot of money.

> > 3. The pain and suffering post-op has been severe.

> > 4. There are too many things that can go wrong with the complex

>workings of

> > the bones, muscles, ligaments, and tendons of the jaw.

> > 6. Do not get this surgery unless you are in significant pain

>before the

> > surgery. It's not worth the risk.

> >

> > >From: " sunsin04 "

> > >Reply-To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

> > >To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

> > >Subject: [Orthognathic Surgery Support ] A couple more

>questions...

> > >Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:26:42 -0000

> > >

> > >Hey everyone-

> > >Just out of curiosity...even though this will not impact my

>decision

> > >at all but did everyone that has had this done before have their

>oral

> > >surgeon claim " medical emergency " for insurance. Or did you guys

>do

> > >copay for like 50%? I guess my real question is how much did you

>guys

> > >have your parents pay after insurance minus braces?

> > >

> > >Also, for those that have complaints about the surgery, can you

> > >please just bullet out that points for me? I have been reading a

>lot

> > >but most of you just said that you don't like the looks. I

>consider

> > >my bite a little bit serious and didnt want to fix it but my

>parents

> > >think it is very important.

> > >

> > >Please respond back soon...thanks so mcuh.

> > >

> >

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February 17, 2004

Actually Mike,

I had the same thing. Keep in mind I never took painkillers after

surgery came home with nothing no steriods nothing. THen a couple

months after oh man...I started not being able to sleep, I was

popping toridol I was given from from another time. I was

miserable. I blamed my dentist and thought it was because I had

caveties. So I got EVERY SINGLE FILLING REPLACED on my left side.

I was cranky, I couldn't believe the mouth could hurt one so badly.

After all I had my jaw sawed in half and went home with no drugs.

(discharged after 23 hours) I was breastfeeding at the time, and I

honestly didn't need any pain killers then...

I guess I always chalked it up to the fact I had some caveties on

that side. Now maybe it was more nerve damage?

I started chewing ONLY on my right side. I had my gums scaled to

make sure there was no pockets of anything. I was even about to

switch dentists (and I LOVE my dentist) because they couldn't

schedual me in quick enough for my fillings I started calling around

everywhere. I even begged for them to crown those teeth, I was

BEGGIN FOR ROOT CANALS...BEGGING. But they showed me on the x-rays

I didn't need them and something about the pain will go away. Which

I guess they proved it wasn't the caveties as I had all mine and yes

the root planing/scraping done without freezing....I am not a suck

when it comes to pain but that pain I experienced was driving you

crazy kind of pain. To this day I could probably only say that 25%

of that pain was possibly a cavity...but sometimes I even doubt that

as I have a huge cavity waiting to be filled for over ayear and a

half and I get no pain with it...so who knows.

I had my surgery in May and by Feb I was a cranky miserable

complaining whiny mess. My poor husband. Mind you it did go away

after about two months, and I did have all my dental workup finished

for the most part. I might start there just as if the nerves are

irritated/healing etc there are some things they can do like my

dentist said if the pain kept up they can actually coat the roots of

the teeth so that they don't send out pain signals. He said teeth

pain is mostly to do with the microtubules...whatever that means

Toridol was great but ambesol was my lifesaver.

Shiloh

> > > Hello sunsin04,

> > > I will outline what happened to me when I trusted my surgeon

to do

> >a good

> > > job. I only wish now that I had heard from some people whose

> >operations did

> > > not go well. It likely would have changed my mind.

> > > 1. The consent form did not mention the longstanding pain that

I

> >am

> > > experiencing now.

> > > 2. I am currently unable to work and am losing a lot of money.

> > > 3. The pain and suffering post-op has been severe.

> > > 4. There are too many things that can go wrong with the complex

> >workings of

> > > the bones, muscles, ligaments, and tendons of the jaw.

> > > 6. Do not get this surgery unless you are in significant pain

> >before the

> > > surgery. It's not worth the risk.

> > >

> > > >From: " sunsin04 "

> > > >Reply-To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

> > > >To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

> > > >Subject: [Orthognathic Surgery Support ] A couple more

> >questions...

> > > >Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:26:42 -0000

> > > >

> > > >Hey everyone-

> > > >Just out of curiosity...even though this will not impact my

> >decision

> > > >at all but did everyone that has had this done before have

their

> >oral

> > > >surgeon claim " medical emergency " for insurance. Or did you

guys

> >do

> > > >copay for like 50%? I guess my real question is how much did

you

> >guys

> > > >have your parents pay after insurance minus braces?

> > > >

> > > >Also, for those that have complaints about the surgery, can

you

> > > >please just bullet out that points for me? I have been

reading a

> >lot

> > > >but most of you just said that you don't like the looks. I

> >consider

> > > >my bite a little bit serious and didnt want to fix it but my

> >parents

> > > >think it is very important.

> > > >

> > > >Please respond back soon...thanks so mcuh.

> > > >

> > >

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February 17, 2004

Shiloh,

Thanks for the great information. You're the first person that I'd heard of

that has had pain so long after the surgery. It's very comforting to hear

your experience-painful for you though.

Thanks

MIke

>From: till_shiloh no_reply >

>Reply-To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

>To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

>Subject: [Orthognathic Surgery Support ]

>Re: A couple more questions...

>Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:13:35 -0000

>

>Actually Mike,

>I had the same thing. Keep in mind I never took painkillers after

>surgery came home with nothing no steriods nothing. THen a couple

>months after oh man...I started not being able to sleep, I was

>popping toridol I was given from from another time. I was

>miserable. I blamed my dentist and thought it was because I had

>caveties. So I got EVERY SINGLE FILLING REPLACED on my left side.

>

>I was cranky, I couldn't believe the mouth could hurt one so badly.

>After all I had my jaw sawed in half and went home with no drugs.

>(discharged after 23 hours) I was breastfeeding at the time, and I

>honestly didn't need any pain killers then...

>

> I guess I always chalked it up to the fact I had some caveties on

>that side. Now maybe it was more nerve damage?

>

>I started chewing ONLY on my right side. I had my gums scaled to

>make sure there was no pockets of anything. I was even about to

>switch dentists (and I LOVE my dentist) because they couldn't

>schedual me in quick enough for my fillings I started calling around

>everywhere. I even begged for them to crown those teeth, I was

>BEGGIN FOR ROOT CANALS...BEGGING. But they showed me on the x-rays

>I didn't need them and something about the pain will go away. Which

>I guess they proved it wasn't the caveties as I had all mine and yes

>the root planing/scraping done without freezing....I am not a suck

>when it comes to pain but that pain I experienced was driving you

>crazy kind of pain. To this day I could probably only say that 25%

>of that pain was possibly a cavity...but sometimes I even doubt that

>as I have a huge cavity waiting to be filled for over ayear and a

>half and I get no pain with it...so who knows.

>

>I had my surgery in May and by Feb I was a cranky miserable

>complaining whiny mess. My poor husband. Mind you it did go away

>after about two months, and I did have all my dental workup finished

>for the most part. I might start there just as if the nerves are

>irritated/healing etc there are some things they can do like my

>dentist said if the pain kept up they can actually coat the roots of

>the teeth so that they don't send out pain signals. He said teeth

>pain is mostly to do with the microtubules...whatever that means

>

>Toridol was great but ambesol was my lifesaver.

>Shiloh

>

> > > > Hello sunsin04,

> > > > I will outline what happened to me when I trusted my surgeon

>to do

> > >a good

> > > > job. I only wish now that I had heard from some people whose

> > >operations did

> > > > not go well. It likely would have changed my mind.

> > > > 1. The consent form did not mention the longstanding pain that

>I

> > >am

> > > > experiencing now.

> > > > 2. I am currently unable to work and am losing a lot of money.

> > > > 3. The pain and suffering post-op has been severe.

> > > > 4. There are too many things that can go wrong with the complex

> > >workings of

> > > > the bones, muscles, ligaments, and tendons of the jaw.

> > > > 6. Do not get this surgery unless you are in significant pain

> > >before the

> > > > surgery. It's not worth the risk.

> > > >

> > > > >From: " sunsin04 "

> > > > >Reply-To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

> > > > >To: orthognathicsurgerysupport

> > > > >Subject: [Orthognathic Surgery Support ] A couple more

> > >questions...

> > > > >Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:26:42 -0000

> > > > >

> > > > >Hey everyone-

> > > > >Just out of curiosity...even though this will not impact my

> > >decision

> > > > >at all but did everyone that has had this done before have

>their

> > >oral

> > > > >surgeon claim " medical emergency " for insurance. Or did you

>guys

> > >do

> > > > >copay for like 50%? I guess my real question is how much did

>you

> > >guys

> > > > >have your parents pay after insurance minus braces?

> > > > >

> > > > >Also, for those that have complaints about the surgery, can

>you

> > > > >please just bullet out that points for me? I have been

>reading a

> > >lot

> > > > >but most of you just said that you don't like the looks. I

> > >consider

> > > > >my bite a little bit serious and didnt want to fix it but my

> > >parents

> > > > >think it is very important.

> > > > >

> > > > >Please respond back soon...thanks so mcuh.

> > > > >

> > > >

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