Re: Surgery far away from home - to a

[Guest guest]

Yes, this is my ortho recommendation. Surgery should be soon,

several months from now.

I saw Dr. Glyman in 2002. Are you happy with the results?

What did you have done?

Val

> > Hi a,

> >

> > Yes, mostly because of better docs...Who was your surgeon?

[Guest guest]

Val,

I had the upper moved 6mm forward and up, the lower forward and up to

meet the maxilla and genio. Also, since my surgery was done for the

primary reason of sleep apnea, he did somnoplasty to the base of the

tongue. I am very happy with the improvement in my airway. We are

still doing some fine tuning on the bite as I didn't get my braces on

until about 4 months after the surgery. And in the next few months

we will be doing some cosmetic work on the chin and jawline. My chin

and jawline were always asymetrical and I was used to it, but now

with the chin and jaw it's new postion it is much more noticable

(especially to me of course). So we will be doing some work on it,

not sure what of this part will be covered on insurance. If not, he

will do the surgery at no charge, and I will pay for the implant.

I take it that you didn't care for him or his plan for you since you

are not still seeing him?? What are you having done?

a

> Yes, this is my ortho recommendation. Surgery should be soon,

> several months from now.

> I saw Dr. Glyman in 2002. Are you happy with the results?

> What did you have done?

>

>

> Val

[Guest guest]

I have not heard anything bad about him. There was just one thing he

said: I asked about nerve damage (infamous numbness) and he said -

" I can fix it if it happens " . And went on saying only three people

in the USA can do it, him included. Now, I knew he does nerve grafts,

but - we all know - it never works. Look at all the people on this

board - numbness is number one problem. If his claim was even remotely

true, people all over the world would be camping at his office (which,

BTW, I see every day - drive by). This boasting and his constant

mentioning his Harvard education turned me off somewhat. Regardless,

I have impacted lower wisdom teeth and need lower advancement done,

and Dr. Wolford so far the only one who feels remotely confident

about taking them out at the time of the surgery. All others (incl.

Glyman) want them out nine months before the surgery, which does

not fit my plans. How do you feel now? Do you have any numbness?

Val

> > Yes, this is my ortho recommendation. Surgery should be soon,

> > several months from now.

> > I saw Dr. Glyman in 2002. Are you happy with the results?

> > What did you have done?

> >

> >

> > Val

[Guest guest]

Hi Val,

I tried to send this once already, no luck. Anyways, I agree with

you that it was a bit boastful to talk of the nerve damage like it

was nothing. He didn't do that with me, he warned me a couple of

times about it. I also agree that he is a bit full of himself, but I

work with a doctor that is the same as him so I guess that I am used

to that attitude. Although,I wouldn't want a doc cutting apart my

face that didn't seem confident is his ability. Anyways, you need

to be the one who is comfortable with the doc and what he is going to

do to you.

As for my numbness at this point (8 months post), out of 4 quadrants,

1 is normal, 2 are almost there and 1 is still partially numb. I am

not surprised by this though, as this was a second surgery for me

(not by same doc) and I never regained complete feeling in that same

area after the first surgery.

I'm sure you will do fine in your recovery as lower only seems to be

a little easier on the patient. It's great to see the people on this

site who live in Dallas offer so much help. You should take them up

on their offer. Good Luck and keep us posted.

a

> I have not heard anything bad about him. There was just one thing

he

> said: I asked about nerve damage (infamous numbness) and he said -

> " I can fix it if it happens " . And went on saying only three people

> in the USA can do it, him included. Now, I knew he does nerve

grafts,

> but - we all know - it never works. Look at all the people on this

> board - numbness is number one problem. If his claim was even

remotely

> true, people all over the world would be camping at his office

(which,

> BTW, I see every day - drive by). This boasting and his constant

> mentioning his Harvard education turned me off somewhat. Regardless,

> I have impacted lower wisdom teeth and need lower advancement done,

> and Dr. Wolford so far the only one who feels remotely confident

> about taking them out at the time of the surgery. All others (incl.

> Glyman) want them out nine months before the surgery, which does

> not fit my plans. How do you feel now? Do you have any numbness?

>

>

>

> Val

[Guest guest]

Hi Val,

I tried to send this once already, no luck. Anyways, I agree with

you that it was a bit boastful to talk of the nerve damage like it

was nothing. He didn't do that with me, he warned me a couple of

times about it. I also agree that he is a bit full of himself, but I

work with a doctor that is the same as him so I guess that I am used

to that attitude. Although,I wouldn't want a doc cutting apart my

face that didn't seem confident is his ability. Anyways, you need

to be the one who is comfortable with the doc and what he is going to

do to you.

As for my numbness at this point (8 months post), out of 4 quadrants,

1 is normal, 2 are almost there and 1 is still partially numb. I am

not surprised by this though, as this was a second surgery for me

(not by same doc) and I never regained complete feeling in that same

area after the first surgery.

I'm sure you will do fine in your recovery as lower only seems to be

a little easier on the patient. It's great to see the people on this

site who live in Dallas offer so much help. You should take them up

on their offer. Good Luck and keep us posted.

a

> I have not heard anything bad about him. There was just one thing

he

> said: I asked about nerve damage (infamous numbness) and he said -

> " I can fix it if it happens " . And went on saying only three people

> in the USA can do it, him included. Now, I knew he does nerve

grafts,

> but - we all know - it never works. Look at all the people on this

> board - numbness is number one problem. If his claim was even

remotely

> true, people all over the world would be camping at his office

(which,

> BTW, I see every day - drive by). This boasting and his constant

> mentioning his Harvard education turned me off somewhat. Regardless,

> I have impacted lower wisdom teeth and need lower advancement done,

> and Dr. Wolford so far the only one who feels remotely confident

> about taking them out at the time of the surgery. All others (incl.

> Glyman) want them out nine months before the surgery, which does

> not fit my plans. How do you feel now? Do you have any numbness?

>

>

>

> Val

[Guest guest]

Thank you, a. Best of luck on regaining complete

feeling. If I may ask - why did you need a second surgery -

was the first one a failure?

Val

> > I have not heard anything bad about him. There was just one thing

> he

> > said: I asked about nerve damage (infamous numbness) and he

said -

> > " I can fix it if it happens " . And went on saying only three

people

> > in the USA can do it, him included. Now, I knew he does nerve

> grafts,

> > but - we all know - it never works. Look at all the people on this

> > board - numbness is number one problem. If his claim was even

> remotely

> > true, people all over the world would be camping at his office

> (which,

> > BTW, I see every day - drive by). This boasting and his constant

> > mentioning his Harvard education turned me off somewhat.

Regardless,

> > I have impacted lower wisdom teeth and need lower advancement

done,

> > and Dr. Wolford so far the only one who feels remotely

confident

> > about taking them out at the time of the surgery. All others

(incl.

> > Glyman) want them out nine months before the surgery, which does

> > not fit my plans. How do you feel now? Do you have any numbness?

> >

> >

> >

> > Val

[Guest guest]

Thank you, a. Best of luck on regaining complete

feeling. If I may ask - why did you need a second surgery -

was the first one a failure?

Val

> > I have not heard anything bad about him. There was just one thing

> he

> > said: I asked about nerve damage (infamous numbness) and he

said -

> > " I can fix it if it happens " . And went on saying only three

people

> > in the USA can do it, him included. Now, I knew he does nerve

> grafts,

> > but - we all know - it never works. Look at all the people on this

> > board - numbness is number one problem. If his claim was even

> remotely

> > true, people all over the world would be camping at his office

> (which,

> > BTW, I see every day - drive by). This boasting and his constant

> > mentioning his Harvard education turned me off somewhat.

Regardless,

> > I have impacted lower wisdom teeth and need lower advancement

done,

> > and Dr. Wolford so far the only one who feels remotely

confident

> > about taking them out at the time of the surgery. All others

(incl.

> > Glyman) want them out nine months before the surgery, which does

> > not fit my plans. How do you feel now? Do you have any numbness?

> >

> >

> >

> > Val

[Guest guest]

Thank you, a. Best of luck on regaining complete

feeling. If I may ask - why did you need a second surgery -

was the first one a failure?

Val

> > I have not heard anything bad about him. There was just one thing

> he

> > said: I asked about nerve damage (infamous numbness) and he

said -

> > " I can fix it if it happens " . And went on saying only three

people

> > in the USA can do it, him included. Now, I knew he does nerve

> grafts,

> > but - we all know - it never works. Look at all the people on this

> > board - numbness is number one problem. If his claim was even

> remotely

> > true, people all over the world would be camping at his office

> (which,

> > BTW, I see every day - drive by). This boasting and his constant

> > mentioning his Harvard education turned me off somewhat.

Regardless,

> > I have impacted lower wisdom teeth and need lower advancement

done,

> > and Dr. Wolford so far the only one who feels remotely

confident

> > about taking them out at the time of the surgery. All others

(incl.

> > Glyman) want them out nine months before the surgery, which does

> > not fit my plans. How do you feel now? Do you have any numbness?

> >

> >

> >

> > Val

[Guest guest]

The quick version of a long story (I'm 40). Small jaw, big teeth, 4

molars pulled as a child, braces at age 11 to 13. Thing were good

for a while, then the bite started to open up--tongue thrust, condyl

reabsorption?? (never any TMJ problems) Braces and surgery at age

28--upper impaction and lower moved--not exactly sure what was done,

didn't know to ask. From the moment the wires were cut I knew it

wasn't right. The ortho then did what he could, but it was never

good. I figured that I just had to live with it.

I hated my profile, but from the front things looked acceptable so to

speak. Bite was open (4mm?). A little over a year ago, my husband

reported me gasping to breathe when sleeping. I'm a respiratory tech

so I knew that it was obstructive apnea due to the retro position of

the jaw. My airway on x-ray was the size of a pencil (should be more

like index finger sized).

Insurance approval, scheduling etc., surgery in July 2003. It took

an hour to intubate me (put the breathing tube in). Dr Glyman

discovered that the muscles of the jaw had attached in such a way

(from the first surgery) that they were pulling " everything " to the

right in the airway.

So now, airway and breathing are much better (husband reported and

also no problem intubating me for a hardware removal surgery). The

bite is still not perfect--partially since we didn't want to take the

time to do the braces before the surgery and partially since I have

such a small, thin lower jaw, he could only move it so far without

doing more extensive work such as a bone graff. I think it will be

pretty good though, as with the braces only on for 2 months so far,

and things are looking better.

So much for the short story -- LOL. Sorry for rambling.

a

> Thank you, a. Best of luck on regaining complete

> feeling. If I may ask - why did you need a second surgery -

> was the first one a failure?

>

>

> Val

[Guest guest]

The quick version of a long story (I'm 40). Small jaw, big teeth, 4

molars pulled as a child, braces at age 11 to 13. Thing were good

for a while, then the bite started to open up--tongue thrust, condyl

reabsorption?? (never any TMJ problems) Braces and surgery at age

28--upper impaction and lower moved--not exactly sure what was done,

didn't know to ask. From the moment the wires were cut I knew it

wasn't right. The ortho then did what he could, but it was never

good. I figured that I just had to live with it.

I hated my profile, but from the front things looked acceptable so to

speak. Bite was open (4mm?). A little over a year ago, my husband

reported me gasping to breathe when sleeping. I'm a respiratory tech

so I knew that it was obstructive apnea due to the retro position of

the jaw. My airway on x-ray was the size of a pencil (should be more

like index finger sized).

Insurance approval, scheduling etc., surgery in July 2003. It took

an hour to intubate me (put the breathing tube in). Dr Glyman

discovered that the muscles of the jaw had attached in such a way

(from the first surgery) that they were pulling " everything " to the

right in the airway.

So now, airway and breathing are much better (husband reported and

also no problem intubating me for a hardware removal surgery). The

bite is still not perfect--partially since we didn't want to take the

time to do the braces before the surgery and partially since I have

such a small, thin lower jaw, he could only move it so far without

doing more extensive work such as a bone graff. I think it will be

pretty good though, as with the braces only on for 2 months so far,

and things are looking better.

So much for the short story -- LOL. Sorry for rambling.

a

> Thank you, a. Best of luck on regaining complete

> feeling. If I may ask - why did you need a second surgery -

> was the first one a failure?

>

>

> Val

[Guest guest]

The quick version of a long story (I'm 40). Small jaw, big teeth, 4

molars pulled as a child, braces at age 11 to 13. Thing were good

for a while, then the bite started to open up--tongue thrust, condyl

reabsorption?? (never any TMJ problems) Braces and surgery at age

28--upper impaction and lower moved--not exactly sure what was done,

didn't know to ask. From the moment the wires were cut I knew it

wasn't right. The ortho then did what he could, but it was never

good. I figured that I just had to live with it.

I hated my profile, but from the front things looked acceptable so to

speak. Bite was open (4mm?). A little over a year ago, my husband

reported me gasping to breathe when sleeping. I'm a respiratory tech

so I knew that it was obstructive apnea due to the retro position of

the jaw. My airway on x-ray was the size of a pencil (should be more

like index finger sized).

Insurance approval, scheduling etc., surgery in July 2003. It took

an hour to intubate me (put the breathing tube in). Dr Glyman

discovered that the muscles of the jaw had attached in such a way

(from the first surgery) that they were pulling " everything " to the

right in the airway.

So now, airway and breathing are much better (husband reported and

also no problem intubating me for a hardware removal surgery). The

bite is still not perfect--partially since we didn't want to take the

time to do the braces before the surgery and partially since I have

such a small, thin lower jaw, he could only move it so far without

doing more extensive work such as a bone graff. I think it will be

pretty good though, as with the braces only on for 2 months so far,

and things are looking better.

So much for the short story -- LOL. Sorry for rambling.

a

> Thank you, a. Best of luck on regaining complete

> feeling. If I may ask - why did you need a second surgery -

> was the first one a failure?

>

>

> Val

[Guest guest]

Wow, a, you have been through quite a bit. Fortunately, it is

all in the past. I hope your present condition is stable and you will

have a healthy and estetic result when you are done with the

orthodontics. Best wishes on it!

Val

> > Thank you, a. Best of luck on regaining complete

> > feeling. If I may ask - why did you need a second surgery -

> > was the first one a failure?

> >

> >

> > Val

[Guest guest]

Wow, a, you have been through quite a bit. Fortunately, it is

all in the past. I hope your present condition is stable and you will

have a healthy and estetic result when you are done with the

orthodontics. Best wishes on it!

Val

> > Thank you, a. Best of luck on regaining complete

> > feeling. If I may ask - why did you need a second surgery -

> > was the first one a failure?

> >

> >

> > Val