A religious type for everyone

[Guest guest]

Well, Shiloh, here's where we part ways, my friend...

" This experience is a religious type for everyone. "

Nope. For me, a medical one. (I believe in ethics, but not religion.

You won't change me about that, I think, and I have no wish to change

you.)

I'm certainly in favor of anybody finding strength that's needed,

wherever the source.

I only ask that those who draw strength from religion respect those

of us who find it elsewhere, as well. Please.

You wanna talk about what Bach did for me in the recovery room? I'm

good to go on that one. Kept me sane. Or at least as sane as I am

today.

Cammie

> Get the gravol shot when you wake up in recovery

> I would have puked but..

>

> How about writing down some scriptures about anxiety?

> Put them in your wallet.

>

> Making yourself a nice tape that will keep your spirits up.

> And remind yourself that your faith as a Christian says this is

into

> god's hands and whatever he wills will happen.

>

> This experience is a religious type for everyone.

> The experience of the surgery, the eating/sucking food.

> You will be tested in your strength and resolve, you have your

faith

> you should use it to learn from this experience and grow in your

> particular faith.

>

> Shiloh

[Guest guest]

> > Get the gravol shot when you wake up in recovery

> > I would have puked but..

> >

> > How about writing down some scriptures about anxiety?

> > Put them in your wallet.

> >

> > Making yourself a nice tape that will keep your spirits up.

> > And remind yourself that your faith as a Christian says this is

> into

> > god's hands and whatever he wills will happen.

> >

> > This experience is a religious type for everyone.

> > The experience of the surgery, the eating/sucking food.

> > You will be tested in your strength and resolve, you have your

> faith

> > you should use it to learn from this experience and grow in your

> > particular faith.

> >

> > Shiloh

To Shiloh and Cammie, and anyone who wd care to respond.

I just have put my two cents in regard to the religious aspect of

this surgery. I am been kind of turned off in recent years by

organized religion. I think mostly because religion for centuries has

been the root of all evil. Christ's ideas and words are nothing short

of beautiful, and truly in the image of god. It is however man's

twisting and actions of those words to promote his own selfish needs

and instil fear that has made religion corrupt. Most wars are fought

due to religious conflicts. I am however a big believer in

spirituality.

Before I had this surgery quite a few people went to temple or church

and prayed for me. My mother made an appointment with the rabbi. He

took out the Torah and she and the rabbi prayed that my surgery wd go

well and that my brother and sister-inlaw wd have a baby. They have

been trying for 7yrs. This was there third try with invitro. The next

day my mom claims she had an angelic experience. Where she felt this

warmth arounds her and saw everything outside really clearly.

Normally she does not see very clear due to glaucoma. She thought she

had died and was in heaven. She heard a voice tell her that her prays

wd be answered. Needless to say my sister-inlaw is in her fourth

month of pregnancy and she is doing great. The doctor cd not get over

how well my jaw surgery went. He is an excellent surgeon but he told

me in 25 years of doing this surgery this is probably one of his best

surgeries ever. My jaw easily moved exactly where he wanted it with

no complications. He said my surgery was text book perfect.

Bottom line is that I know the power of pray worked here. In recent

years I have been amazed how when I prayed for help I got it. The

medical establishment excepts that there is something beneficial to

the power of pray. I do feel spirtual presence around me quite often

I am not saying we dont have to take action but I do believe that as

the saying goes God help those who help themselves. However if one

chooses to find spirituality whether it is through religion or

whatever way, I personally feel this surgery is religious

experience.

I am not trying to change ur viewpoint Cammie, just want to give you

a different prespective. U seem to be a very kind and caring soul, so

to me u are spiritual even if u see that as just being ethical.

God Bless,

[Guest guest]

> > Get the gravol shot when you wake up in recovery

> > I would have puked but..

> >

> > How about writing down some scriptures about anxiety?

> > Put them in your wallet.

> >

> > Making yourself a nice tape that will keep your spirits up.

> > And remind yourself that your faith as a Christian says this is

> into

> > god's hands and whatever he wills will happen.

> >

> > This experience is a religious type for everyone.

> > The experience of the surgery, the eating/sucking food.

> > You will be tested in your strength and resolve, you have your

> faith

> > you should use it to learn from this experience and grow in your

> > particular faith.

> >

> > Shiloh

To Shiloh and Cammie, and anyone who wd care to respond.

I just have put my two cents in regard to the religious aspect of

this surgery. I am been kind of turned off in recent years by

organized religion. I think mostly because religion for centuries has

been the root of all evil. Christ's ideas and words are nothing short

of beautiful, and truly in the image of god. It is however man's

twisting and actions of those words to promote his own selfish needs

and instil fear that has made religion corrupt. Most wars are fought

due to religious conflicts. I am however a big believer in

spirituality.

Before I had this surgery quite a few people went to temple or church

and prayed for me. My mother made an appointment with the rabbi. He

took out the Torah and she and the rabbi prayed that my surgery wd go

well and that my brother and sister-inlaw wd have a baby. They have

been trying for 7yrs. This was there third try with invitro. The next

day my mom claims she had an angelic experience. Where she felt this

warmth arounds her and saw everything outside really clearly.

Normally she does not see very clear due to glaucoma. She thought she

had died and was in heaven. She heard a voice tell her that her prays

wd be answered. Needless to say my sister-inlaw is in her fourth

month of pregnancy and she is doing great. The doctor cd not get over

how well my jaw surgery went. He is an excellent surgeon but he told

me in 25 years of doing this surgery this is probably one of his best

surgeries ever. My jaw easily moved exactly where he wanted it with

no complications. He said my surgery was text book perfect.

Bottom line is that I know the power of pray worked here. In recent

years I have been amazed how when I prayed for help I got it. The

medical establishment excepts that there is something beneficial to

the power of pray. I do feel spirtual presence around me quite often

I am not saying we dont have to take action but I do believe that as

the saying goes God help those who help themselves. However if one

chooses to find spirituality whether it is through religion or

whatever way, I personally feel this surgery is religious

experience.

I am not trying to change ur viewpoint Cammie, just want to give you

a different prespective. U seem to be a very kind and caring soul, so

to me u are spiritual even if u see that as just being ethical.

God Bless,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I don't wish to go on about religion. I was merely trying to put it

into a context that she was familiar with. I forgot how

much 'religion' is not a word casually thrown around. Whereas like

you I don't have a set defintion for spirtituality etc. and am not

really a card carrying member anywhere...

I was just trying to point out how when faced with a crisis you can

use whatever tools you feel comfortable with you have at your

disposal, for her that is Christian. For me and alot of others

support takes quite another form.

I have tied little ribbon around my finger on this one, I forget how

simple statements about religion, politcs, sex, money, world events,

martha can get people including me way way way off topic and once

you start travelling it takes a while to get back

Shiloh

> > > > Get the gravol shot when you wake up in recovery

> > > > I would have puked but..

> > > >

> > > > How about writing down some scriptures about anxiety?

> > > > Put them in your wallet.

> > > >

> > > > Making yourself a nice tape that will keep your spirits up.

> > > > And remind yourself that your faith as a Christian says this

is

> > > into

> > > > god's hands and whatever he wills will happen.

> > > >

> > > > This experience is a religious type for everyone.

> > > > The experience of the surgery, the eating/sucking food.

> > > > You will be tested in your strength and resolve, you have

your

> > > faith

> > > > you should use it to learn from this experience and grow in

> your

> > > > particular faith.

> > > >

> > > > Shiloh

> > To Shiloh and Cammie, and anyone who wd care to respond.

> > I just have put my two cents in regard to the religious aspect

of

> > this surgery. I am been kind of turned off in recent years by

> > organized religion. I think mostly because religion for

centuries

> has

> > been the root of all evil. Christ's ideas and words are nothing

> short

> > of beautiful, and truly in the image of god. It is however man's

> > twisting and actions of those words to promote his own selfish

> needs

> > and instil fear that has made religion corrupt. Most wars are

> fought

> > due to religious conflicts. I am however a big believer in

> > spirituality.

> > Before I had this surgery quite a few people went to temple or

> church

> > and prayed for me. My mother made an appointment with the rabbi.

He

> > took out the Torah and she and the rabbi prayed that my surgery

wd

> go

> > well and that my brother and sister-inlaw wd have a baby. They

have

> > been trying for 7yrs. This was there third try with invitro. The

> next

> > day my mom claims she had an angelic experience. Where she felt

> this

> > warmth arounds her and saw everything outside really clearly.

> > Normally she does not see very clear due to glaucoma. She

thought

> she

> > had died and was in heaven. She heard a voice tell her that her

> prays

> > wd be answered. Needless to say my sister-inlaw is in her fourth

> > month of pregnancy and she is doing great. The doctor cd not get

> over

> > how well my jaw surgery went. He is an excellent surgeon but he

> told

> > me in 25 years of doing this surgery this is probably one of his

> best

> > surgeries ever. My jaw easily moved exactly where he wanted it

with

> > no complications. He said my surgery was text book perfect.

> > Bottom line is that I know the power of pray worked here. In

recent

> > years I have been amazed how when I prayed for help I got it.

The

> > medical establishment excepts that there is something beneficial

to

> > the power of pray. I do feel spirtual presence around me quite

> often

> > I am not saying we dont have to take action but I do believe

that

> as

> > the saying goes God help those who help themselves. However if

one

> > chooses to find spirituality whether it is through religion or

> > whatever way, I personally feel this surgery is religious

> > experience.

> > I am not trying to change ur viewpoint Cammie, just want to give

> you

> > a different prespective. U seem to be a very kind and caring

soul,

> so

> > to me u are spiritual even if u see that as just being ethical.

> > God Bless,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I don't wish to go on about religion. I was merely trying to put it

into a context that she was familiar with. I forgot how

much 'religion' is not a word casually thrown around. Whereas like

you I don't have a set defintion for spirtituality etc. and am not

really a card carrying member anywhere...

I was just trying to point out how when faced with a crisis you can

use whatever tools you feel comfortable with you have at your

disposal, for her that is Christian. For me and alot of others

support takes quite another form.

I have tied little ribbon around my finger on this one, I forget how

simple statements about religion, politcs, sex, money, world events,

martha can get people including me way way way off topic and once

you start travelling it takes a while to get back

Shiloh

> > > > Get the gravol shot when you wake up in recovery

> > > > I would have puked but..

> > > >

> > > > How about writing down some scriptures about anxiety?

> > > > Put them in your wallet.

> > > >

> > > > Making yourself a nice tape that will keep your spirits up.

> > > > And remind yourself that your faith as a Christian says this

is

> > > into

> > > > god's hands and whatever he wills will happen.

> > > >

> > > > This experience is a religious type for everyone.

> > > > The experience of the surgery, the eating/sucking food.

> > > > You will be tested in your strength and resolve, you have

your

> > > faith

> > > > you should use it to learn from this experience and grow in

> your

> > > > particular faith.

> > > >

> > > > Shiloh

> > To Shiloh and Cammie, and anyone who wd care to respond.

> > I just have put my two cents in regard to the religious aspect

of

> > this surgery. I am been kind of turned off in recent years by

> > organized religion. I think mostly because religion for

centuries

> has

> > been the root of all evil. Christ's ideas and words are nothing

> short

> > of beautiful, and truly in the image of god. It is however man's

> > twisting and actions of those words to promote his own selfish

> needs

> > and instil fear that has made religion corrupt. Most wars are

> fought

> > due to religious conflicts. I am however a big believer in

> > spirituality.

> > Before I had this surgery quite a few people went to temple or

> church

> > and prayed for me. My mother made an appointment with the rabbi.

He

> > took out the Torah and she and the rabbi prayed that my surgery

wd

> go

> > well and that my brother and sister-inlaw wd have a baby. They

have

> > been trying for 7yrs. This was there third try with invitro. The

> next

> > day my mom claims she had an angelic experience. Where she felt

> this

> > warmth arounds her and saw everything outside really clearly.

> > Normally she does not see very clear due to glaucoma. She

thought

> she

> > had died and was in heaven. She heard a voice tell her that her

> prays

> > wd be answered. Needless to say my sister-inlaw is in her fourth

> > month of pregnancy and she is doing great. The doctor cd not get

> over

> > how well my jaw surgery went. He is an excellent surgeon but he

> told

> > me in 25 years of doing this surgery this is probably one of his

> best

> > surgeries ever. My jaw easily moved exactly where he wanted it

with

> > no complications. He said my surgery was text book perfect.

> > Bottom line is that I know the power of pray worked here. In

recent

> > years I have been amazed how when I prayed for help I got it.

The

> > medical establishment excepts that there is something beneficial

to

> > the power of pray. I do feel spirtual presence around me quite

> often

> > I am not saying we dont have to take action but I do believe

that

> as

> > the saying goes God help those who help themselves. However if

one

> > chooses to find spirituality whether it is through religion or

> > whatever way, I personally feel this surgery is religious

> > experience.

> > I am not trying to change ur viewpoint Cammie, just want to give

> you

> > a different prespective. U seem to be a very kind and caring

soul,

> so

> > to me u are spiritual even if u see that as just being ethical.

> > God Bless,

[Guest guest]

hey all... i am sorry if i offended anyone by bringing up my faith.

i honestly didn't mean anything by it, i didn't mean to suggest that

people who aren't christians will have a harder time. that couldn't

be farther from the truth. religion and spirituality is very

personal and a very sensitive subject. its true what shiloh said -

each person pulls strength from different sources. and i appreciate

shiloh for encouraging me in my personal area of strength.

this is a rough and scary time for me and i know everyone on this

site has either gone through it or is about to at some point.

seriously, a huge source of strength has just been reading on this

site about other people's success stories (and yes, even other's

struggles). especially your's cammie... i've seen your name on this

site more than anyone's and i think its awesome that you've been such

an encouragement to so many people.

anyway, again, i hope no one was offended. my surgery is tomorrow

and yes i'm still scared, but not as much as i was before. i feel

like i'm prepared in the practical sense: my house is clean, my

fridge is stocked, my family is ready to take care of me. so now i

just have to get through the hard part. i'll be so glad when i'm on

the other side of this experience and i promise to come back to this

site and answer anyone's questions who are still pre-op.

thanks to everyone for being so encouraging!

> > Get the gravol shot when you wake up in recovery

> > I would have puked but..

> >

> > How about writing down some scriptures about anxiety?

> > Put them in your wallet.

> >

> > Making yourself a nice tape that will keep your spirits up.

> > And remind yourself that your faith as a Christian says this is

> into

> > god's hands and whatever he wills will happen.

> >

> > This experience is a religious type for everyone.

> > The experience of the surgery, the eating/sucking food.

> > You will be tested in your strength and resolve, you have your

> faith

> > you should use it to learn from this experience and grow in your

> > particular faith.

> >

> > Shiloh

[Guest guest]

It's always nice to hear that one has been helpful, and thanks!

I'll be thinking about you, and I'll bet you'll do just fine! Let us

know, when you feel up to it, how you're doing.

Cammie

> > > Get the gravol shot when you wake up in recovery

> > > I would have puked but..

> > >

> > > How about writing down some scriptures about anxiety?

> > > Put them in your wallet.

> > >

> > > Making yourself a nice tape that will keep your spirits up.

> > > And remind yourself that your faith as a Christian says this is

> > into

> > > god's hands and whatever he wills will happen.

> > >

> > > This experience is a religious type for everyone.

> > > The experience of the surgery, the eating/sucking food.

> > > You will be tested in your strength and resolve, you have your

> > faith

> > > you should use it to learn from this experience and grow in

your

> > > particular faith.

> > >

> > > Shiloh