Re: Stevia and nephrotoxicity?

[Guest guest]

Thanks Patty,

I wonder what doses they were using in the studies. Sometimes they use doses

that far exceed what we would ever use. I use it often as well so this is

concenening

>

> Now here is something that is a little mindblowing to me...

>

> I've always found stevia to be a totally safe alternative to sugar as a

> sweetener. In fact, it is my sweetener of choice in my tea and coffee.

>

> However, while on the HCG diet, I suffered from flank pain, which has

> developed into a low-grade kidney infection. I was drinking chai tea

> with stevia in it every day, several times a day. A high protein diet

> is also hard on the kidneys, and lots of water is a must.

>

> Then I found this:

>

> http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/hurtful-food-stevia-warning.html

>

>

> " Many health gurus recommend substituting Stevia in place of artificial

> sweeteners. Stevia is natural and its use is permitted in Japan and

> other countries. Despite its widespread use, there is a surprising lack

> of human clinical trials evaluating its safety. Unlike with saccharin,

> no evidence has been reported that stevioside and its metabolites are

> carcinogenic.

>

> However, animal reports of nephrotoxicity do exist, which suggest that

> Stevia is likely safer than the other sweeteners, but not entirely

> without risk.1 The extent of risk is unknown at this time. "

>

> I still believe that stevia is a safe alternative to sugar, but there

> are certainly questions in MY mind about consuming way too much of it

> and kidney health. Just a thought....wanted to share..

> Patty

>

[Guest guest]

It was definitely a very high dose of stevia. Probably far more than we would

use at one sitting, but I'm not sure about daily use in large quantities. That

would be the information we need.

I am just trying to figure out why I was suddenly hit with a kidney infection

without any prior UTI infection. The HCG was a high protein diet (not good for

kidneys), and then this was another possibility since I was drinking copious

amounts of tea with stevia daily.

I'm not using any sweeteners at all at this time.

But I've never, ever had issues with stevia usage in the past.

Hopefully nobody else does either!

Patty

> >

> > Now here is something that is a little mindblowing to me...

> >

> > I've always found stevia to be a totally safe alternative to sugar as a

> > sweetener. In fact, it is my sweetener of choice in my tea and coffee.

> >

> > However, while on the HCG diet, I suffered from flank pain, which has

> > developed into a low-grade kidney infection. I was drinking chai tea

> > with stevia in it every day, several times a day. A high protein diet

> > is also hard on the kidneys, and lots of water is a must.

> >

> > Then I found this:

> >

> > http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/hurtful-food-stevia-warning.html

> >

> >

> > " Many health gurus recommend substituting Stevia in place of artificial

> > sweeteners. Stevia is natural and its use is permitted in Japan and

> > other countries. Despite its widespread use, there is a surprising lack

> > of human clinical trials evaluating its safety. Unlike with saccharin,

> > no evidence has been reported that stevioside and its metabolites are

> > carcinogenic.

> >

> > However, animal reports of nephrotoxicity do exist, which suggest that

> > Stevia is likely safer than the other sweeteners, but not entirely

> > without risk.1 The extent of risk is unknown at this time. "

> >

> > I still believe that stevia is a safe alternative to sugar, but there

> > are certainly questions in MY mind about consuming way too much of it

> > and kidney health. Just a thought....wanted to share..

> > Patty

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Patty,I wanted to throw in that I also did the hCG diet. I'm wondering if the diet is what hurt you -- the actual hCG. The reason I'm saying that is because I had some pain too and also still experience weird pains even though I'm no longer using hCG. My "gut" feeling has told me to never to it again. I don't know...something to consider. I also use Stevia too, and since reading your post the other day, I have stopped using it for a while. Best wishes!Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: "glory2glory1401" <glory2glory1401@...>Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:38:16 -0000< >Subject: Re: Stevia and nephrotoxicity? It was definitely a very high dose of stevia. Probably far more than we would use at one sitting, but I'm not sure about daily use in large quantities. That would be the information we need.I am just trying to figure out why I was suddenly hit with a kidney infection without any prior UTI infection. The HCG was a high protein diet (not good for kidneys), and then this was another possibility since I was drinking copious amounts of tea with stevia daily.I'm not using any sweeteners at all at this time.But I've never, ever had issues with stevia usage in the past.Hopefully nobody else does either!Patty> >> > Now here is something that is a little mindblowing to me...> > > > I've always found stevia to be a totally safe alternative to sugar as a> > sweetener. In fact, it is my sweetener of choice in my tea and coffee.> > > > However, while on the HCG diet, I suffered from flank pain, which has> > developed into a low-grade kidney infection. I was drinking chai tea> > with stevia in it every day, several times a day. A high protein diet> > is also hard on the kidneys, and lots of water is a must.> > > > Then I found this:> > > > http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/hurtful-food-stevia-warning.html> > > > > > " Many health gurus recommend substituting Stevia in place of artificial> > sweeteners. Stevia is natural and its use is permitted in Japan and> > other countries. Despite its widespread use, there is a surprising lack> > of human clinical trials evaluating its safety. Unlike with saccharin,> > no evidence has been reported that stevioside and its metabolites are> > carcinogenic.> > > > However, animal reports of nephrotoxicity do exist, which suggest that> > Stevia is likely safer than the other sweeteners, but not entirely> > without risk.1 The extent of risk is unknown at this time. " > > > > I still believe that stevia is a safe alternative to sugar, but there> > are certainly questions in MY mind about consuming way too much of it> > and kidney health. Just a thought....wanted to share..> > Patty> >>

[Guest guest]

I'm just wondering if it would be worth to get tested for kidney stones. I have

heard there is an easy way to get rid of them using an ultrasound technique. I

have them but I can't get anyone to take them seriuosly. Oh, and I " ve read

about people getting rid of them with natural methods on earthcliic.com

> > >

> > > Now here is something that is a little mindblowing to me...

> > >

> > > I've always found stevia to be a totally safe alternative to sugar as a

> > > sweetener. In fact, it is my sweetener of choice in my tea and coffee.

> > >

> > > However, while on the HCG diet, I suffered from flank pain, which has

> > > developed into a low-grade kidney infection. I was drinking chai tea

> > > with stevia in it every day, several times a day. A high protein diet

> > > is also hard on the kidneys, and lots of water is a must.

> > >

> > > Then I found this:

> > >

> > > http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/hurtful-food-stevia-warning.html

> > >

> > >

> > > " Many health gurus recommend substituting Stevia in place of artificial

> > > sweeteners. Stevia is natural and its use is permitted in Japan and

> > > other countries. Despite its widespread use, there is a surprising lack

> > > of human clinical trials evaluating its safety. Unlike with saccharin,

> > > no evidence has been reported that stevioside and its metabolites are

> > > carcinogenic.

> > >

> > > However, animal reports of nephrotoxicity do exist, which suggest that

> > > Stevia is likely safer than the other sweeteners, but not entirely

> > > without risk.1 The extent of risk is unknown at this time. "

> > >

> > > I still believe that stevia is a safe alternative to sugar, but there

> > > are certainly questions in MY mind about consuming way too much of it

> > > and kidney health. Just a thought....wanted to share..

> > > Patty

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

I have the same suspicions about the hCG, though it has never caused any harm to

any of my friends or family that have done it. Were your pains kidney related

as well?

I only did it for about 10 days, so not too long, but I'm still feeling some

kidney tenderness.

I have a great aversion to eating too much protein now! I also have trouble

thinking about putting stevia in my tea. And with your experience, I'm quite

certain that I won't be using the hCG ever again!

Trudeau's book " The Weight Loss Cure " says it is 100% safe, and so

combined with the experiences of people who have done it successfully, including

one of our former members of this group who is doing the injections, I didn't

see how it could hurt me. This kidney flare caught me so much by surprise.

My main symptom after starting the hCG and which took me awhile to put two and

two together was the tingling in my extremities. I was experiencing it again

and at first I thought it was because I was doing so much work painting and

sitting on my legs. But it was occurring at night more and more and then I knew

something was really wrong when the flank pain started in.

Thanks for sharing your experience...it is greatly helpful in knowing that

someone else also had trouble...not that I want anyone else to have been harmed

at all, but it helps me not to feel so singled out and confused about what

happened to me.

How long ago did you do the diet? And what are your main health concerns right

now?

Thanks so much !

Patty

> > >

> > > Now here is something that is a little mindblowing to me...

> > >

> > > I've always found stevia to be a totally safe alternative to sugar as a

> > > sweetener. In fact, it is my sweetener of choice in my tea and coffee.

> > >

> > > However, while on the HCG diet, I suffered from flank pain, which has

> > > developed into a low-grade kidney infection. I was drinking chai tea

> > > with stevia in it every day, several times a day. A high protein diet

> > > is also hard on the kidneys, and lots of water is a must.

> > >

> > > Then I found this:

> > >

> > > http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/hurtful-food-stevia-warning.html

> > >

> > >

> > > " Many health gurus recommend substituting Stevia in place of artificial

> > > sweeteners. Stevia is natural and its use is permitted in Japan and

> > > other countries. Despite its widespread use, there is a surprising lack

> > > of human clinical trials evaluating its safety. Unlike with saccharin,

> > > no evidence has been reported that stevioside and its metabolites are

> > > carcinogenic.

> > >

> > > However, animal reports of nephrotoxicity do exist, which suggest that

> > > Stevia is likely safer than the other sweeteners, but not entirely

> > > without risk.1 The extent of risk is unknown at this time. "

> > >

> > > I still believe that stevia is a safe alternative to sugar, but there

> > > are certainly questions in MY mind about consuming way too much of it

> > > and kidney health. Just a thought....wanted to share..

> > > Patty

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I was tested for kidney stones when they did a Catscan.

The results said this: No renal stones or hydronephrosis. There is stranding of

the right pernephric fat, this may represent pyelonephritis.

I think you can dissolve kidney stones with apple cider vinegar or olive oil and

lemon juice. I've seen websites where many people stated they were able to

dissolve them either way.

I think it was 2 ounces of olive oil and 2 ounces of lemon juice.

Also, 2 ounces of apple cider vinegar in water.

I'm all for natural therapies!

Patty

> > > >

> > > > Now here is something that is a little mindblowing to me...

> > > >

> > > > I've always found stevia to be a totally safe alternative to sugar as a

> > > > sweetener. In fact, it is my sweetener of choice in my tea and coffee.

> > > >

> > > > However, while on the HCG diet, I suffered from flank pain, which has

> > > > developed into a low-grade kidney infection. I was drinking chai tea

> > > > with stevia in it every day, several times a day. A high protein diet

> > > > is also hard on the kidneys, and lots of water is a must.

> > > >

> > > > Then I found this:

> > > >

> > > > http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/hurtful-food-stevia-warning.html

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " Many health gurus recommend substituting Stevia in place of artificial

> > > > sweeteners. Stevia is natural and its use is permitted in Japan and

> > > > other countries. Despite its widespread use, there is a surprising lack

> > > > of human clinical trials evaluating its safety. Unlike with saccharin,

> > > > no evidence has been reported that stevioside and its metabolites are

> > > > carcinogenic.

> > > >

> > > > However, animal reports of nephrotoxicity do exist, which suggest that

> > > > Stevia is likely safer than the other sweeteners, but not entirely

> > > > without risk.1 The extent of risk is unknown at this time. "

> > > >

> > > > I still believe that stevia is a safe alternative to sugar, but there

> > > > are certainly questions in MY mind about consuming way too much of it

> > > > and kidney health. Just a thought....wanted to share..

> > > > Patty

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My pains are more like in the urethra area, and they aren't all the time. Just certain days. I have also started eliminating dairy from my diet as well. Hopefully, I'll find what is causing the problem. I did hCG a few times for quite a while. I pray I didn't damage anything long term, but I will tell you, it was the easiest weight loss plan I have ever done. It just fell off so fast. I never had tingling in my extremities until right before my explant surgery and then right after for about 2.5 weeks. I blame the implants for that, but I don't doubt that yours could have been from the hCG. You just never know. The last time I did the diet was probably about seven or eight months ago. I vowed to stop doing it after that, because my right ovary was hurting a lot while on the injections. I was afraid of cysts developing.

I do miss my Stevia, though. I've been using real sugar in my tea the past few days. My main health concerns are just the urethra spasm pain thing (not sure what to call it). I have never heard of anyone else having this without an infection coupling it. I don't have an infection and the urologist did a MRI and found nothing. I might go back and request the other test they do where they use a camera to look around. I can't think of what it's called right now.

Thanks for sharing your experiences. If we all do that, maybe at least one person will find a solution to their problem. Take care!!

-- Re: Stevia and nephrotoxicity?

Thanks ,I have the same suspicions about the hCG, though it has never caused any harm to any of my friends or family that have done it. Were your pains kidney related as well?I only did it for about 10 days, so not too long, but I'm still feeling some kidney tenderness. I have a great aversion to eating too much protein now! I also have trouble thinking about putting stevia in my tea. And with your experience, I'm quite certain that I won't be using the hCG ever again! Trudeau's book "The Weight Loss Cure" says it is 100% safe, and so combined with the experiences of people who have done it successfully, including one of our former members of this group who is doing the injections, I didn't see how it could hurt me. This kidney flare caught me so much by surprise. My main symptom after starting the hCG and which took me awhile to put two and two together was the tingling in my extremities. I was experiencing it again and at first I thought it was because I was doing so much work painting and sitting on my legs. But it was occurring at night more and more and then I knew something was really wrong when the flank pain started in. Thanks for sharing your experience...it is greatly helpful in knowing that someone else also had trouble...not that I want anyone else to have been harmed at all, but it helps me not to feel so singled out and confused about what happened to me. How long ago did you do the diet? And what are your main health concerns right now?Thanks so much !Patty > > >> > > Now here is something that is a little mindblowing to me...> > > > > > I've always found stevia to be a totally safe alternative to sugar as a> > > sweetener. In fact, it is my sweetener of choice in my tea and coffee.> > > > > > However, while on the HCG diet, I suffered from flank pain, which has> > > developed into a low-grade kidney infection. I was drinking chai tea> > > with stevia in it every day, several times a day. A high protein diet> > > is also hard on the kidneys, and lots of water is a must.> > > > > > Then I found this:> > > > > > http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/hurtful-food-stevia-warning.html> > > > > > > > > "Many health gurus recommend substituting Stevia in place of artificial> > > sweeteners. Stevia is natural and its use is permitted in Japan and> > > other countries. Despite its widespread use, there is a surprising lack> > > of human clinical trials evaluating its safety. Unlike with saccharin,> > > no evidence has been reported that stevioside and its metabolites are> > > carcinogenic.> > > > > > However, animal reports of nephrotoxicity do exist, which suggest that> > > Stevia is likely safer than the other sweeteners, but not entirely> > > without risk.1 The extent of risk is unknown at this time."> > > > > > I still believe that stevia is a safe alternative to sugar, but there> > > are certainly questions in MY mind about consuming way too much of it> > > and kidney health. Just a thought....wanted to share..> > > Patty> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I actually found out as well that my potassium was low, and that could have

caused the tingling I experienced. Nobody at the ER mentioned it at the time I

was there, and I only noticed it after picking up a copy of my blood work

several days later. Dede was the one that pointed out to me that low potassium

is a BAD thing and must be attended to! Sheesh. How could they have missed

that? And potassium is related to kidney function, for sure....

Anyway, I agree with you that the hCG diet was incredible..I lost weight so fast

and so easy, and I was so pleased with the results. I was so bummed that I had

to stop it, but I couldn't take a chance to play games with my health at all.

Looking back, my symptoms could have been related to the high protein diet (hard

on the kidneys), the hCG itself, the low potassium, or I am thinking adrenal

fatigue as well. I know dieting is hard on the adrenal glands. I have no idea,

but it was a good lesson on listening to my body speak to me loudly!

Were you doing the injections under a doctor's supervision? Did they say

anything about the ovarian pain? I also felt " something " going on with my

pelvic area, but figured it was all part of the process, since it IS a hormone

made during pregnancy. I don't think you have anything to worry about long

term. Dr. Simeon's protocol has been out for decades and is used by

celebrities,nobility and the rich, so I would think any untoward effects would

be known by now.

I was doing sublingual. My sister is on her second round of the diet, and she

is actually using twice the strength of sublinguals that I did, and she is doing

just great on it. So, who knows what the heck is going on...it's so strange, but

I've found that I just don't respond to anything normally anymore! I guess,

like my mom chided me, I am just going to have to stick to God's foods and

forget the rest of the junk!

I hope you can find out the cause of your urethra spasms. But thankfully you

don't have any infection going on that is messing with your kidneys. Let me

know if you find out anything.

Sending hugs and wishes for wellness, and thanks for writing. It's good to hear

from you about shared experiences. Are you detoxing?

Patty

> > > >

> > > > Now here is something that is a little mindblowing to me...

> > > >

> > > > I've always found stevia to be a totally safe alternative to sugar as

> a

> > > > sweetener. In fact, it is my sweetener of choice in my tea and coffee.

> > > >

> > > > However, while on the HCG diet, I suffered from flank pain, which has

> > > > developed into a low-grade kidney infection. I was drinking chai tea

> > > > with stevia in it every day, several times a day. A high protein diet

> > > > is also hard on the kidneys, and lots of water is a must.

> > > >

> > > > Then I found this:

> > > >

> > > > http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/hurtful-food-stevia-warning.html

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " Many health gurus recommend substituting Stevia in place of

> artificial

> > > > sweeteners. Stevia is natural and its use is permitted in Japan and

> > > > other countries. Despite its widespread use, there is a surprising

> lack

> > > > of human clinical trials evaluating its safety. Unlike with saccharin,

> > > > no evidence has been reported that stevioside and its metabolites are

> > > > carcinogenic.

> > > >

> > > > However, animal reports of nephrotoxicity do exist, which suggest that

> > > > Stevia is likely safer than the other sweeteners, but not entirely

> > > > without risk.1 The extent of risk is unknown at this time. "

> > > >

> > > > I still believe that stevia is a safe alternative to sugar, but there

> > > > are certainly questions in MY mind about consuming way too much of it

> > > > and kidney health. Just a thought....wanted to share..

> > > > Patty

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

I experienced low potassium as well after years of being on mostly a low carb

diet. It also happened toa friend of mine who was doing enemas every day due

to constipation and this removed the potassium before it was absorbed in teh

colon.

I read recetnly that potassium deficiency is a risk with low carb diets. I now

make a potassium broth using potatoe skins, carrots, celery. Apparently the

skins are very high in potassium.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now here is something that is a little mindblowing to me...

> > > > >

> > > > > I've always found stevia to be a totally safe alternative to sugar as

> > a

> > > > > sweetener. In fact, it is my sweetener of choice in my tea and coffee.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, while on the HCG diet, I suffered from flank pain, which has

> > > > > developed into a low-grade kidney infection. I was drinking chai tea

> > > > > with stevia in it every day, several times a day. A high protein diet

> > > > > is also hard on the kidneys, and lots of water is a must.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then I found this:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/hurtful-food-stevia-warning.html

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " Many health gurus recommend substituting Stevia in place of

> > artificial

> > > > > sweeteners. Stevia is natural and its use is permitted in Japan and

> > > > > other countries. Despite its widespread use, there is a surprising

> > lack

> > > > > of human clinical trials evaluating its safety. Unlike with saccharin,

> > > > > no evidence has been reported that stevioside and its metabolites are

> > > > > carcinogenic.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, animal reports of nephrotoxicity do exist, which suggest that

> > > > > Stevia is likely safer than the other sweeteners, but not entirely

> > > > > without risk.1 The extent of risk is unknown at this time. "

> > > > >

> > > > > I still believe that stevia is a safe alternative to sugar, but there

> > > > > are certainly questions in MY mind about consuming way too much of it

> > > > > and kidney health. Just a thought....wanted to share..

> > > > > Patty

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 6:34:51 AMSubject: Re: Stevia and nephrotoxicity?

Hi there,

I experienced low potassium as well after years of being on mostly a low carb diet. It also happened toa friend of mine who was doing enemas every day due to constipation and this removed the potassium before it was absorbed in teh colon.

I read recetnly that potassium deficiency is a risk with low carb diets. I now make a potassium broth using potatoe skins, carrots, celery. Apparently the skins are very high in potassium.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now here is something that is a little mindblowing to me...

> > > > >

> > > > > I've always found stevia to be a totally safe alternative to sugar as

> > a

> > > > > sweetener. In fact, it is my sweetener of choice in my tea and coffee.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, while on the HCG diet, I suffered from flank pain, which has

> > > > > developed into a low-grade kidney infection. I was drinking chai tea

> > > > > with stevia in it every day, several times a day. A high protein diet

> > > > > is also hard on the kidneys, and lots of water is a must.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then I found this:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.diseasep roof.com/ archives/ hurtful-food- stevia-warning. html

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > "Many health gurus recommend substituting Stevia in place of

> > artificial

> > > > > sweeteners. Stevia is natural and its use is permitted in Japan and

> > > > > other countries. Despite its widespread use, there is a surprising

> > lack

> > > > > of human clinical trials evaluating its safety. Unlike with saccharin,

> > > > > no evidence has been reported that stevioside and its metabolites are

> > > > > carcinogenic.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, animal reports of nephrotoxicity do exist, which suggest that

> > > > > Stevia is likely safer than the other sweeteners, but not entirely

> > > > > without risk.1 The extent of risk is unknown at this time."

> > > > >

> > > > > I still believe that stevia is a safe alternative to sugar, but there

> > > > > are certainly questions in MY mind about consuming way too much of it

> > > > > and kidney health. Just a thought....wanted to share..

> > > > > Patty

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks!

I will make some of that broth! Someone told me last night to eat more

potatoes....must be those skins!

I hadn't realized that the low potassium was such a concern, but the more I've

researched it, the more I've seen that many people have this problem and don't

know it.

I'm going to be going on a juice only fast starting today, so that will

certainly help the potassium level.

Have you changed your diet to include more carbs? Or did you just add the broth

in?

Patty

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now here is something that is a little mindblowing to me...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've always found stevia to be a totally safe alternative to sugar

as

> > > a

> > > > > > sweetener. In fact, it is my sweetener of choice in my tea and

coffee.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, while on the HCG diet, I suffered from flank pain, which

has

> > > > > > developed into a low-grade kidney infection. I was drinking chai tea

> > > > > > with stevia in it every day, several times a day. A high protein

diet

> > > > > > is also hard on the kidneys, and lots of water is a must.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Then I found this:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/hurtful-food-stevia-warning.html

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Many health gurus recommend substituting Stevia in place of

> > > artificial

> > > > > > sweeteners. Stevia is natural and its use is permitted in Japan and

> > > > > > other countries. Despite its widespread use, there is a surprising

> > > lack

> > > > > > of human clinical trials evaluating its safety. Unlike with

saccharin,

> > > > > > no evidence has been reported that stevioside and its metabolites

are

> > > > > > carcinogenic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, animal reports of nephrotoxicity do exist, which suggest

that

> > > > > > Stevia is likely safer than the other sweeteners, but not entirely

> > > > > > without risk.1 The extent of risk is unknown at this time. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I still believe that stevia is a safe alternative to sugar, but

there

> > > > > > are certainly questions in MY mind about consuming way too much of

it

> > > > > > and kidney health. Just a thought....wanted to share..

> > > > > > Patty

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Hi Patty,

I did add back in more carbs,such as quinoa and millet. I found ,forme, since

my energy is still so low, having low carb made it worse. I'm actually getting

ready now to do a mitochondrial test to look for 'mitochondrial disorder' in

which case going low carb would make the situation worse.

I do feel better with the carbs added back in. I was low carb because I have an

overgrowth in my small intstine. But I've realized that the low carb wasn't

fixing the problem.

I also developed 'fatty liver' while going low carb b/c I was eating high fat

and I have low glutathione.

So I've been working on the glutathione as well.

So much work, but I'm sure it'll all be so worth it eventually!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now here is something that is a little mindblowing to me...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've always found stevia to be a totally safe alternative to sugar

as

> > > > a

> > > > > > > sweetener. In fact, it is my sweetener of choice in my tea and

coffee.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, while on the HCG diet, I suffered from flank pain, which

has

> > > > > > > developed into a low-grade kidney infection. I was drinking chai

tea

> > > > > > > with stevia in it every day, several times a day. A high protein

diet

> > > > > > > is also hard on the kidneys, and lots of water is a must.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Then I found this:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/hurtful-food-stevia-warning.html

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Many health gurus recommend substituting Stevia in place of

> > > > artificial

> > > > > > > sweeteners. Stevia is natural and its use is permitted in Japan

and

> > > > > > > other countries. Despite its widespread use, there is a surprising

> > > > lack

> > > > > > > of human clinical trials evaluating its safety. Unlike with

saccharin,

> > > > > > > no evidence has been reported that stevioside and its metabolites

are

> > > > > > > carcinogenic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, animal reports of nephrotoxicity do exist, which suggest

that

> > > > > > > Stevia is likely safer than the other sweeteners, but not entirely

> > > > > > > without risk.1 The extent of risk is unknown at this time. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I still believe that stevia is a safe alternative to sugar, but

there

> > > > > > > are certainly questions in MY mind about consuming way too much of

it

> > > > > > > and kidney health. Just a thought....wanted to share..

> > > > > > > Patty

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

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