ERCP

April 25, 2002

well my doc said he could do an ercp, but he didn't

think there was anything he could do for me...well he

found a boulder in the head of my pancreas...if it

wasn't for the ercp i wouldn't have know and now it

can be taken care of

--- cmanzon2000 cmanzon@...> wrote:

> Hi Everyone. I need your opinion. I do not have as

> serious a

> condition as many of you out there, however I do

> suffer pancreatitis

> attacks about 6-8 times a year. Of course some much

> worse than

> others. Some I can manage on my own at home with a

> liquid diet and

> pain pills and others I will go to the er for 3-5

> days. I am planing

> on having an ERCP done Iat ndiana Univ., but now am

> having second

> thoughts. After reading many of your stories it

> seems that an ERCP

> has not really helped a lot and has at times, made

> things worse. The

> question I am battling is whether I should deal with

> the attacks when

> I get them, or take the risk the ERCP. (I had one

> ERCP already and

> it wa unsuccessful, as the Dr. could not get to the

> bile duct to

> messure the pressure.) Any input would be

> appreciated. And thanks to

> Shirley and Elicia who have shared their experiences

> with me.

> In my thoughts,

> Cathy:)

>

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June 17, 2002

Just reading a few posts back about ERCP...am I confused..or are

y'all saying this is a dangerous procedure..now I'm really worried!!!

EEK!!! Guess I gotta go read up on this a bit more..Tummy

June 17, 2002

What is ERCP?

What Can You Expect During an ERCP?

What are the Possible Complications from an ERCP?

What Can You Expect after Your ERCP?

HOW ERCP WORKS

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Your doctor has recommended that you have a medical procedure called an

ERCP.

This brochure will help you understand why ERCP is performed and what you

can expect from the procedure.

ERCP is short for.

Endoscopic

Retrograde

Cholangio

Pancreatography

Endoscopic refers to the use of an instrument called an endoscope - a thin,

flexible tube with a tiny video camera and light on the end. The endoscope

is used by a highly trained subspecialist, the gastroenterologist, to

diagnose and treat various problems of the GI tract. The GI tract includes

the stomach, intestine, and other parts of the body that are connected to

the intestine, such as the liver, pancreas, and gallbladder.

Retrograde refers to the direction in which the endoscope is used to inject

a liquid enabling X-rays to be taken of the parts of the GI tract called the

bile duct system and pancreas.

The process of taking these X-rays is known as cholangiopancreatography.

Cholangio refers to the bile duct system, pancrea to the pancreas.

ERCP may be useful in diagnosing and treating problems causing jaundice (a

yellowing of the whites of the eyes) or pain in the abdomen. To understand

how ERCP can help, it's important to know more about the pancreas and the

bile duct system.

Bile is a substance made by the liver that is important in the digestion and

absorption of fats. Bile is carried from the liver by a system of tubes

known as bile ducts. One of these, the cystic duct, connects the gallbladder

to the main bile duct. The gallbladder stores the bile between meals and

empties back into the bile duct when food is consumed. The common bile duct

then empties into a part of the small intestine called the duodenum. The

common bile duct enters the duodenum through a nipple-like structure called

the papilla.

Joining the common bile duct to pass through the papilla is the main duct

from the pancreas. This pathway allows digestive juices from the pancreas to

mix with food in the intestine. Problems that affect the pancreas and bile

duct system can, in many cases, be diagnosed and corrected with ERCP.

For example, ERCP can be helpful when there is a blockage of the bile ducts

by gallstones, tumors, scarring or other conditions that cause obstruction

or narrowing (stricture) of the ducts. Similarly, blockage of the pancreatic

ducts from stones, tumors, or stricture can also be evaluated or treated by

ERCP, which is useful in assessing causes of pancreatitis (inflammation of

the pancreas).

Problems with the bile ducts or pancreas may first show up as jaundice or

pain in the abdomen, although not always. Also, there may be changes in

blood tests that show abnormalities of the liver or pancreas.

Other special exams that take pictures using X-rays or sound waves may

provide important information for use along with that obtained from ERCP.

How to Prepare for the Procedure

Prior to having ERCP, there are a number of things you will need to

remember:

First, don't eat or drink anything for at least six hours beforehand or

after midnight if your ERCP is scheduled for first thing in the morning.

Be sure to tell your doctor all the medication you are taking, including

aspirin, aspirin-containing drugs, or blood thinners.

Identify any allergies or any reactions you have had to drugs, particularly

antibiotics or pain medications.

Follow all of your doctor's instructions regarding preparation for the

procedure.

ERCP can be done either as an outpatient procedure or may require

hospitalization, depending on the individual case. Your doctor will explain

the procedure and its benefits and risks, and you will be asked to sign an

informed consent form. This form verifies that you agree to have the

procedure and understand what's involved.

What Can You Expect During an ERCP?

Everything will be done to ensure your comfort. Your blood pressure, pulse,

and the oxygen level in your blood will be carefully monitored. A sedative

will be given through a vein in your arm. You will feel drowsy, but will

remain awake and able to cooperate during the procedure.

Although general anesthesia is usually not required, you may have the back

of your throat sprayed with a local anesthetic to minimize discomfort as the

endoscope is passed down your throat into your esophagus (the swallowing

tube), and through the stomach into your duodenum.

The doctor will use it to inspect the lining of your stomach and duodenum.

You should not feel any pain, but you may have a sense of fullness, since

air may be introduced to help advance the scope.

In the duodenum, the instrument is positioned near the papilla, the point at

which the main ducts empty into the intestine. A small tube known as a

cannula is threaded down through the endoscope and can be directed into

either the pancreatic or common bile duct. The cannula allows a special

liquid contrast material, a dye, to be injected backwards - that is,

retrograde - through the ducts.

X-ray equipment is then used to examine and take pictures of the dye

outlining the ducts. In this way, widening, narrowing, or blockage of the

ducts can be pinpointed.

Some of the problems that may be identified during ERCP can also be treated

through the endoscope. For example, if a stone is blocking the pancreatic or

common bile duct, it is usually possible to remove it.

First, the opening in the papilla is cut open and enlarged. Then, a special

device can be inserted to retrieve the stone. Narrowing or obstruction can

also have other causes, such as scarring or tumors. In some cases, a plastic

or metal tube (called a stent), can be inserted to provide an opening. If

necessary, a tissue sample or biopsy can be obtained, or a narrow area

dilated.

What are the Possible Complications from an ERCP?

Thanks to ERCP, these kinds of procedures may help you avoid surgery.

Depending on the individual and the types of procedures performed, ERCP does

have a five to ten percent risk of complications. In rare cases, severe

complications may require prolonged hospitalization.

Mild to severe inflammation of the pancreas is the most common complication

and may require hospital care, even surgery. Bleeding can occur when the

papilla has to be opened to remove stones or put in stents. This bleeding

usually stops on its own, but occasionally, transfusion may be required or

the bleeding may be directly controlled with endoscopic therapy.

A puncture or perforation of the bowel wall or bile duct is a rare problem

that can occur with therapeutic ERCP. Infection can also result, especially

if the bile duct is blocked and bile cannot drain. Treatment for infection

requires antibiotics and restoring drainage. Finally, reactions may occur to

any of the medications used during ERCP, but fortunately these are usually

minor.

Be sure to discuss any specific concerns you may have about the procedure

with your doctor.

What Can You Expect after Your ERCP?

When your ERCP is completed on an outpatient basis, you will need to remain

under observation until your doctor or healthcare team has decided you can

return home. Sometimes, admission to the hospital is necessary.

When you do go home, be sure you have arranged for someone to drive you,

since you're likely to be sleepy from the sedative you received. This means,

too, that you should avoid operating machinery for a day, and not drink any

alcohol.

Your doctor will tell you when you can take fluids and meals. Usually, it is

within a few hours after the procedure.

Because of the air used during ERCP, you may continue to feel full and pass

gas for awhile, and it is not unusual to have soft stool or other brief

changes in bowel habits. However, if you notice bleeding from your rectum or

black, tarry stools, call your doctor.

You should also report vomiting, severe abdominal pain, weakness or

dizziness, and fever over 100 degrees. Fortunately, these problems are not

common.

ERCP is an effective and useful procedure for evaluating or treating a

number of different problems of the GI tract.

HOW ERCP WORKS

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Your doctor may determine that a stone is blocking a common duct. An

endoscope will be lowered down your esophagus, through the stomach, and into

the duodenum. A small tube will be threaded down into the duct.

A dye will be injected backwards through the ducts, allowing X-rays to be

taken. Your doctor will be able to remove the stone that is blocking the

duct with the endoscope.

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A Question on ERCP's

I read a response from Henry regarding ERCP's that in my opinion explains

the procedure to the letter.

From the message board. Ann wrote

I'm hoping to find some info on the ERCP experience from some folks who have

actually been through it. I'm scheduled for an ERCP in two weeks (since I

wasn't a heavy drinker and they couldn't find any stones with 2 CAT Scans,

or an ultrasound. I'm a bit frightened of the ERCP but don't exactly see any

other option. Is it painful? Does it take long to recover from it? Please

share any ERCP experiences good or bad. I am a single mother of two.

Yours truly, Ann (scaredy cat in Hawaii)

Henry's reply:

Dear Ann,

Hi! I'm Henry from the group and welcome to this fine family of pancreas

patients and their caregivers! Sorry you have pancreatitis, but you've come

to a nice, friendly supportive group of folks who are happy to help. Some

background to introduce my self, and my case may be helpful for you. My

goodness, what a terrible thing to have happen on your birthday, and it has

to be hard with your children.

I'm 38- years-old and was diagnosed with chronic pancreatitis in early 1992

when I was 29. I had been having symptoms of pancreatitis for about eight

months or so before the first major acute attack. I've had the Puestow

surgery and the Whipple in 1998, and 2000, respectively and gal bladder

removal in 1995.

Since you've never had an ERCP before I thought you might want to know what

the experience is like from a patient's standpoint. I will try my best to

describe what the ERCP experience has been like for me to help give you an

idea of what it's like if that is helpful for you.

I have had over 20 ERCPs over eight years. One reason I had so many was that

I was at a teaching hospital, The Medical University of South Carolina

(MUSC), as part of a stent study they sere conducting so my treatments were

free mostly. In my case they asked me to take nothing by mouth after

midnight on the day of the procedure. (NPO) they call it. I came into the

clinic in the morning and they took me into a cubicle with a cot in a large

room and changed into a gown then they started an I.V. with saline. Then

they wheeled me into a small surgical suite and had me lie on my left side

and turned down the lights. They will put a nasal, oxygen tube under your

nose. Then they began administering the anesthesia. In my case this was

usually 100 milligrams of Demerol, or 20-30 milligrams of Morphine, and I

forget how many milligrams of Verced (which induces relaxation and can

produce an amnesia affect so that hopefully will help you not remember the

procedure. They refer to this type of anesthesia as a " twilight sleep. " They

want to be able to communicate with you if necessary, but for you to be as

comfortable as is possible and relaxed. Since I have a high tolerance to

anesthesia, this didn't usually work and I often was awake for the

procedure, though somewhat groggy during and after. I worked out a system

with the anesthesiologist where I would tap my fingers to signal him if I

felt I needed more meds since you cannot speak with the tube down your

throat during the ERCP. Next they numb your throat with an unpleasant

tasting substance that comes out of a spray bottle. Then they put a

mouthpiece in and began introducing the tube that goes into your mouth and

down your esophagus into your stomach and past to the small bowel where the

pancreatic ducts are located. They will slowly introduce the tube and ask

you to begin swallowing the tube. The hardest part of this is getting it

past the back of your throat and down into the esophagus.

They had some difficulty with me at the ducts because I was born with

pancreas divism (Latin for divided pancreas), and my ducts were small. They

have a light and a camera on the end of the tube and can pass wires and

cutting instruments and stents, (little plastic or rubber tubes that help

the pancreas drain), through the tube. The tube is black and smaller in

diameter than a garden hose, although I don't know the exact diameter. They

do various things such as a cut on the duct to widen it and insert various

size stents. I have had some pain with the cuts, (spinterotomies), but the

Demerol, (or Morphine) helps some with this pain. They want you to lie very

still so they don't risk puncturing bowel. In my case the procedure usually

lasted about an hour or so depending on what they were doing on a given

procedure. The longest ones were about two hours when they had to remove

stones from my pancreas. When they are finished, they would rub my shoulder

and say, " It's over Henry, we're finished! You did great! " or some such

thing. Then they would help me off the operating table onto a stretcher and

wheel me back to the recovery room where I would lie for about an hour.

After this it would be time for me to go home unless I had to stay the

night.

I don't like ERCPs, but when I think about what people had to go through

before they had the ERCP such as surgery to widen ducts, remove stones, then

it seems like a good alternative. I hope that this helps some. If you have

any other questions for me please feel free to e-mail me. There are a lot of

good folks here who can answer your questions and know more about this than

I do.

I always enjoy receiving e-mail and it's great to meet all the new folks who

have joined the " family. " I hope you are doing reasonably well and that I

will hear from you again soon! There is another pancreas patient named Rich

who lives in Hawaii here too. God Bless.

Your New Pancreas Pal,

Henry, from SC

Mark E. Armstrong

NW Rep, PAI

www.top5plus5.com

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ERCP

> Just reading a few posts back about ERCP...am I confused..or are

> y'all saying this is a dangerous procedure..now I'm really worried!!!

> EEK!!! Guess I gotta go read up on this a bit more..Tummy

>

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June 17, 2002

WOW!!! Thanks Mark..that is absolutely everything I needed to know!!!

Thanx, Tummy

> What is ERCP?

> What Can You Expect During an ERCP?

> What are the Possible Complications from an ERCP?

> What Can You Expect after Your ERCP?

> HOW ERCP WORKS

>

June 17, 2002

WOW!!! Thanks Mark..that is absolutely everything I needed to know!!!

Thanx, Tummy

> What is ERCP?

> What Can You Expect During an ERCP?

> What are the Possible Complications from an ERCP?

> What Can You Expect after Your ERCP?

> HOW ERCP WORKS

>

June 17, 2002

WOW!!! Thanks Mark..that is absolutely everything I needed to know!!!

Thanx, Tummy

> What is ERCP?

> What Can You Expect During an ERCP?

> What are the Possible Complications from an ERCP?

> What Can You Expect after Your ERCP?

> HOW ERCP WORKS

>

August 6, 2002

In a message dated 7/11/2002 6:39:31 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

pancreatitis writes:

> Patti, also some doctors will put you out for the procedure and

> depending on what will be done. My first ERCP I was only sedated with

> the spray to throat...I will NEVER do that again. Every other time I

> had them done (different doctor) I was out for it. If you have a

> choice I would say go out for it so you dont have to hear it all,

> feel it etc...

>

I am catching up on postings, so this may be old, but I always get verced

when I have my ERCPs. It is the wonder drug - no memory of anything.

Cecilia

soce@...

Mesa, Arizona

Arizona Chapter Representative

Pancreatitis Association International

http://pancassociation.org/storieshome.html

August 6, 2002

In a message dated 7/11/2002 6:39:31 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

pancreatitis writes:

> Patti, also some doctors will put you out for the procedure and

> depending on what will be done. My first ERCP I was only sedated with

> the spray to throat...I will NEVER do that again. Every other time I

> had them done (different doctor) I was out for it. If you have a

> choice I would say go out for it so you dont have to hear it all,

> feel it etc...

>

I am catching up on postings, so this may be old, but I always get verced

when I have my ERCPs. It is the wonder drug - no memory of anything.

Cecilia

soce@...

Mesa, Arizona

Arizona Chapter Representative

Pancreatitis Association International

http://pancassociation.org/storieshome.html

August 7, 2002

For the first time - I woke up during the ERCP with the one last week. It was

my fourth and waking up was awful! I could feel the wires (or whatever it was)

down inside me. It was horrible. I tried grabbing the thing coming out of my

mouth and the next thing I knew they gave me more drugs, thankfully! I think it

may have been because they had a hard time doing the ERCP because of my gastric

bypass. They could not get past my bile duct, so he couldn't see the pancreas

or pancreatic duct. I just wanted to say it was awful! I'd make sure to tell

the doc to give me plenty of drugs so that doesn't happen!

Re:ERCP

In a message dated 7/11/2002 6:39:31 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

pancreatitis writes:

> Patti, also some doctors will put you out for the procedure and

> depending on what will be done. My first ERCP I was only sedated with

> the spray to throat...I will NEVER do that again. Every other time I

> had them done (different doctor) I was out for it. If you have a

> choice I would say go out for it so you dont have to hear it all,

> feel it etc...

>

I am catching up on postings, so this may be old, but I always get verced

when I have my ERCPs. It is the wonder drug - no memory of anything.

Cecilia

soce@...

Mesa, Arizona

Arizona Chapter Representative

Pancreatitis Association International

http://pancassociation.org/storieshome.html

August 7, 2002

For the first time - I woke up during the ERCP with the one last week. It was

my fourth and waking up was awful! I could feel the wires (or whatever it was)

down inside me. It was horrible. I tried grabbing the thing coming out of my

mouth and the next thing I knew they gave me more drugs, thankfully! I think it

may have been because they had a hard time doing the ERCP because of my gastric

bypass. They could not get past my bile duct, so he couldn't see the pancreas

or pancreatic duct. I just wanted to say it was awful! I'd make sure to tell

the doc to give me plenty of drugs so that doesn't happen!

Re:ERCP

In a message dated 7/11/2002 6:39:31 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

pancreatitis writes:

> Patti, also some doctors will put you out for the procedure and

> depending on what will be done. My first ERCP I was only sedated with

> the spray to throat...I will NEVER do that again. Every other time I

> had them done (different doctor) I was out for it. If you have a

> choice I would say go out for it so you dont have to hear it all,

> feel it etc...

>

I am catching up on postings, so this may be old, but I always get verced

when I have my ERCPs. It is the wonder drug - no memory of anything.

Cecilia

soce@...

Mesa, Arizona

Arizona Chapter Representative

Pancreatitis Association International

http://pancassociation.org/storieshome.html

August 7, 2002

,

I'm sorry you had such a hard time with the ERCP, I too am one of those that

wakes up in the middle...talk about panic. The one I had in Indy though I was

out through the entire procedure. They don't use Versed though... it affects

the manometry in SOD cases...or so I was told....the first ERCP I had last

August, they gave me Versed and my readings came back well within the normal

limits...this one in Indy though the pressures were VERY high.

So since they couldn't get in there..what is the next step? MRCP? Or did they

give you any idea what could be on the agenda? I hope that you are feeling

ok... if not I hope you feel better soon!

{{{HUGZ}}}

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August 7, 2002