Guest guest Posted July 24, 2002 Report Share Posted July 24, 2002 > >Reply-To: pancreatitis >To: pancreatitis >Subject: TO: S hannon >Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:43:25 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 65.148.3.106 >Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.104]) by >mc2-f41.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 24 >Jul 2002 05:49:39 -0700 >Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul >2002 12:43:27 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 12:43:26 -0000 >Received: (qmail 10260 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 12:43:26 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >24 Jul 2002 12:43:26 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by >mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 12:43:26 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul >2002 12:43:26 -0000 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-278417-33721-1027514607-shannontuten=hotmail.com@...\ m >X-Sender: kfortenb@... >X-Apparently-To: pancreatitis >Message-ID: ahm7dd+10n2v (AT) eGroups (DOT) com> >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster >X-Yahoo-Profile: kaye53155 >Mailing-List: list pancreatitis ; contact >pancreatitis-owner >Delivered-To: mailing list pancreatitis >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: pancreatitis-unsubscribe > >Return-Path: >sentto-278417-33721-1027514607-shannontuten=hotmail.com@...\ m >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2002 12:49:40.0088 (UTC) >FILETIME=[9323B780:01C23310] > >I ask the same question everytime I am in the ER or hospital about >what are you suppose to do about venous access? I get the same >answers too. The hospital part doesn't scare me its possibly having >to call EMS and trying to get them to understand I have no veins! >Here at least, everybody wants to be " the one " to get the vein. Last >EMS guy thought he was going to try and put an 18 gauge needle in >me. Needless to say,nobody stuck me and we had a few words. It >wasn't like it was life-threatening or anything, just wanted to be >the one. I am sure you are the same way, but I freak at >needles....all except hte ones with the lidocaine in them! ha ha > >I am doing ok for the most part. To find a decent thoracic guy I >will have to go out of town. We have one group here. They lied to >me way back when all this started and I will have nothing to do with >them. Perils of living in a small place I guess! > >Take care > >Kaye > Kaye: Yeah, the testosterone levels of those guys..and girls with EMS can be quite high. I used to say that they had a " paragod " complex. you know the " I can save your life if you will only let me " Ugh. As a former paramedic I can offer you another view point of that situation though. Its called medical control officer and standard of care. If we didn't attempt to provide IV therapy- where indicated or any other type of supportive care- we could be- and where written up. Protocols were in place for a reason and unless you called the ER physician and explained otherwise you better follow them. However, that does not mean a patient does not have rights and you ALWAYS have the right to refuse. IF they then touch you its called battery.I reminded a nurse of that one night in the hospital after she kept insisting that " I had no choice " Actaully I was rude about it and told her I would call the police myself, and I was calling the nursing superviser. It worked she backed off but i still called her supervisor. I was assigned to another much better nurse. Funny, I was going over some records last night to take to the GYN in Atlanta. In the records was where I refused labs, IV's but no mention of WHY!!!!!! I did find the note from the radiologist saying that the SVC was occluded but even at that there was no mention of WHY I needed the PICC line, just the he put one in. Nothing in the doctors orders either. I was hoping to take that as proof that I have absolutely NO VEINS before I go to this new doc in Atlanta and they think they can get blood out of a turnip. As for living in a small town I totally get that. The town I live in has an Emergency Room, thats right a room not a department. 1 room, 2 beds. I have to travel 25-30 miles any direction to get to a large hospital. As a matter of fact EMS would not take me to Augusta last time, they said I had to go to Edgefield ER first- ( unstable) where they said yeah you are sick, called the doc in Augusta and immediately transferred me -by ambulance to the hosp in Augusta I use. Even went so far as to tell me basically not to come back, they were not equipped to handle someone with my medical problems. I have been occasionally to get a shot of phenergan- its 2 miles and and relatively quick compare to 30 mins and hours of wait. Oh well, thankfully I have been able to stay out of the ER since then. As for having to travel, I've become accustomed to travleing to get the best care. Thats why I go to ton, why I went to Duke and now why I am going to Atlanta.- ton and Atlanta are about the same drive for me 3 hours. Duke was 6 but if needed I would do it again. I guess we are suppose to cross our fingers and pray that we don't need long term IV access. or maybe we will just grow an new SVC! (ha, ha) Take care, -SC _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2002 Report Share Posted July 24, 2002 > >Reply-To: pancreatitis >To: pancreatitis >Subject: TO: S hannon >Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:43:25 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 65.148.3.106 >Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.104]) by >mc2-f41.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 24 >Jul 2002 05:49:39 -0700 >Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul >2002 12:43:27 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 12:43:26 -0000 >Received: (qmail 10260 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 12:43:26 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >24 Jul 2002 12:43:26 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by >mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 12:43:26 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul >2002 12:43:26 -0000 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-278417-33721-1027514607-shannontuten=hotmail.com@...\ m >X-Sender: kfortenb@... >X-Apparently-To: pancreatitis >Message-ID: ahm7dd+10n2v (AT) eGroups (DOT) com> >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster >X-Yahoo-Profile: kaye53155 >Mailing-List: list pancreatitis ; contact >pancreatitis-owner >Delivered-To: mailing list pancreatitis >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: pancreatitis-unsubscribe > >Return-Path: >sentto-278417-33721-1027514607-shannontuten=hotmail.com@...\ m >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2002 12:49:40.0088 (UTC) >FILETIME=[9323B780:01C23310] > >I ask the same question everytime I am in the ER or hospital about >what are you suppose to do about venous access? I get the same >answers too. The hospital part doesn't scare me its possibly having >to call EMS and trying to get them to understand I have no veins! >Here at least, everybody wants to be " the one " to get the vein. Last >EMS guy thought he was going to try and put an 18 gauge needle in >me. Needless to say,nobody stuck me and we had a few words. It >wasn't like it was life-threatening or anything, just wanted to be >the one. I am sure you are the same way, but I freak at >needles....all except hte ones with the lidocaine in them! ha ha > >I am doing ok for the most part. To find a decent thoracic guy I >will have to go out of town. We have one group here. They lied to >me way back when all this started and I will have nothing to do with >them. Perils of living in a small place I guess! > >Take care > >Kaye > Kaye: Yeah, the testosterone levels of those guys..and girls with EMS can be quite high. I used to say that they had a " paragod " complex. you know the " I can save your life if you will only let me " Ugh. As a former paramedic I can offer you another view point of that situation though. Its called medical control officer and standard of care. If we didn't attempt to provide IV therapy- where indicated or any other type of supportive care- we could be- and where written up. Protocols were in place for a reason and unless you called the ER physician and explained otherwise you better follow them. However, that does not mean a patient does not have rights and you ALWAYS have the right to refuse. IF they then touch you its called battery.I reminded a nurse of that one night in the hospital after she kept insisting that " I had no choice " Actaully I was rude about it and told her I would call the police myself, and I was calling the nursing superviser. It worked she backed off but i still called her supervisor. I was assigned to another much better nurse. Funny, I was going over some records last night to take to the GYN in Atlanta. In the records was where I refused labs, IV's but no mention of WHY!!!!!! I did find the note from the radiologist saying that the SVC was occluded but even at that there was no mention of WHY I needed the PICC line, just the he put one in. Nothing in the doctors orders either. I was hoping to take that as proof that I have absolutely NO VEINS before I go to this new doc in Atlanta and they think they can get blood out of a turnip. As for living in a small town I totally get that. The town I live in has an Emergency Room, thats right a room not a department. 1 room, 2 beds. I have to travel 25-30 miles any direction to get to a large hospital. As a matter of fact EMS would not take me to Augusta last time, they said I had to go to Edgefield ER first- ( unstable) where they said yeah you are sick, called the doc in Augusta and immediately transferred me -by ambulance to the hosp in Augusta I use. Even went so far as to tell me basically not to come back, they were not equipped to handle someone with my medical problems. I have been occasionally to get a shot of phenergan- its 2 miles and and relatively quick compare to 30 mins and hours of wait. Oh well, thankfully I have been able to stay out of the ER since then. As for having to travel, I've become accustomed to travleing to get the best care. Thats why I go to ton, why I went to Duke and now why I am going to Atlanta.- ton and Atlanta are about the same drive for me 3 hours. Duke was 6 but if needed I would do it again. I guess we are suppose to cross our fingers and pray that we don't need long term IV access. or maybe we will just grow an new SVC! (ha, ha) Take care, -SC _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2002 Report Share Posted July 24, 2002 > >Reply-To: pancreatitis >To: pancreatitis >Subject: TO: S hannon >Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:43:25 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 65.148.3.106 >Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.104]) by >mc2-f41.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 24 >Jul 2002 05:49:39 -0700 >Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul >2002 12:43:27 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 12:43:26 -0000 >Received: (qmail 10260 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 12:43:26 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >24 Jul 2002 12:43:26 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by >mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 12:43:26 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul >2002 12:43:26 -0000 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-278417-33721-1027514607-shannontuten=hotmail.com@...\ m >X-Sender: kfortenb@... >X-Apparently-To: pancreatitis >Message-ID: ahm7dd+10n2v (AT) eGroups (DOT) com> >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster >X-Yahoo-Profile: kaye53155 >Mailing-List: list pancreatitis ; contact >pancreatitis-owner >Delivered-To: mailing list pancreatitis >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: pancreatitis-unsubscribe > >Return-Path: >sentto-278417-33721-1027514607-shannontuten=hotmail.com@...\ m >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2002 12:49:40.0088 (UTC) >FILETIME=[9323B780:01C23310] > >I ask the same question everytime I am in the ER or hospital about >what are you suppose to do about venous access? I get the same >answers too. The hospital part doesn't scare me its possibly having >to call EMS and trying to get them to understand I have no veins! >Here at least, everybody wants to be " the one " to get the vein. Last >EMS guy thought he was going to try and put an 18 gauge needle in >me. Needless to say,nobody stuck me and we had a few words. It >wasn't like it was life-threatening or anything, just wanted to be >the one. I am sure you are the same way, but I freak at >needles....all except hte ones with the lidocaine in them! ha ha > >I am doing ok for the most part. To find a decent thoracic guy I >will have to go out of town. We have one group here. They lied to >me way back when all this started and I will have nothing to do with >them. Perils of living in a small place I guess! > >Take care > >Kaye > Kaye: Yeah, the testosterone levels of those guys..and girls with EMS can be quite high. I used to say that they had a " paragod " complex. you know the " I can save your life if you will only let me " Ugh. As a former paramedic I can offer you another view point of that situation though. Its called medical control officer and standard of care. If we didn't attempt to provide IV therapy- where indicated or any other type of supportive care- we could be- and where written up. Protocols were in place for a reason and unless you called the ER physician and explained otherwise you better follow them. However, that does not mean a patient does not have rights and you ALWAYS have the right to refuse. IF they then touch you its called battery.I reminded a nurse of that one night in the hospital after she kept insisting that " I had no choice " Actaully I was rude about it and told her I would call the police myself, and I was calling the nursing superviser. It worked she backed off but i still called her supervisor. I was assigned to another much better nurse. Funny, I was going over some records last night to take to the GYN in Atlanta. In the records was where I refused labs, IV's but no mention of WHY!!!!!! I did find the note from the radiologist saying that the SVC was occluded but even at that there was no mention of WHY I needed the PICC line, just the he put one in. Nothing in the doctors orders either. I was hoping to take that as proof that I have absolutely NO VEINS before I go to this new doc in Atlanta and they think they can get blood out of a turnip. As for living in a small town I totally get that. The town I live in has an Emergency Room, thats right a room not a department. 1 room, 2 beds. I have to travel 25-30 miles any direction to get to a large hospital. As a matter of fact EMS would not take me to Augusta last time, they said I had to go to Edgefield ER first- ( unstable) where they said yeah you are sick, called the doc in Augusta and immediately transferred me -by ambulance to the hosp in Augusta I use. Even went so far as to tell me basically not to come back, they were not equipped to handle someone with my medical problems. I have been occasionally to get a shot of phenergan- its 2 miles and and relatively quick compare to 30 mins and hours of wait. Oh well, thankfully I have been able to stay out of the ER since then. As for having to travel, I've become accustomed to travleing to get the best care. Thats why I go to ton, why I went to Duke and now why I am going to Atlanta.- ton and Atlanta are about the same drive for me 3 hours. Duke was 6 but if needed I would do it again. I guess we are suppose to cross our fingers and pray that we don't need long term IV access. or maybe we will just grow an new SVC! (ha, ha) Take care, -SC _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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