Re: Re: Hypervigilant immune system

[Guest guest]

I guess I'm in the same boat as alot of other low bp and if it wasn't for

allergies (hay fever) I wouldn't get sick much execpt for the occasional " my

digestive system hates me for no reason " thing. I tend to be warmer than

average in cooler temps but my husband with no rosacea is really, really hot

natured. He had the flu last year and I didn't get it (but may have brought

it to work because everybody here got it but me). The older I get the

colder my hands are but I do office work and I think it's to do with too

much typing etc. I guess my only diffrence with alot of the posts is I

sweat and I sweat alot - but I live in the South and everyone sweats here!

Re: Hypervigilant immune system

> Yes, I would have to agree with that one. As a kid, I did have the flu

> and colds once a year. I also had strepthroat very often. As an adult,

> there have been long stretches where I have not had the flu. I think I

> last had the flu about six years ago. I can't remember the last time I

> had a cold. I had strepthroat about five years ago, but haven't been

> sick since.

> Take care,

> Matija

>

>

>

>

> > <<

the

> > immune system because I believe that my whole complex of problems

> ---

> > i.e., allergies, rosacea, migraines, and anxiety --- are related in

> some

> > way to my having an overenthusiastic immune response. One major

> clue is

> > that I hardly ever catch anything that's going around --- could

> this be

> > the trade-off for my being plagued with these annoying conditions?

> I

> > seem to be completely immune to the flu, and I seldom have a cold

> (and

> > the few that I have are over in couple of days). >>>

> >

> > This is my situation also but with rosacea, allergies, and

> fibromyalgia. However,

> > as a child and young adult I had my share of the flu, colds, and

> sore throats.

> > Once I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia some twelve years ago, then

> all my normal

> > illnesses stopped. My husband, who travels with his work, gets

> several colds each

> > winter and generally the flu. I never catch these illnesses from

> him although

> > sometimes I feel like I am coming down with them. But, within a day

> or two they

> > pass and I never develop the illness. One of the theories on

> fibromyalgia/chronic

> > fatigue is that the immune system is in a constant heightened state.

> I also

> > developed what I now realize were early signs of rosacea about four

> years after

> > the fibromyalgia diagnosis. I have always felt that my off and on

> again sore

> > muscles, irritable bowel, and now irritated skin are all symptoms of

> the same

> > health problem.

> >

> > Pat, please let me know if your research yields any supporting

> information on your

> > theory.

> >

> > a

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I guess I'm in the same boat as alot of other low bp and if it wasn't for

allergies (hay fever) I wouldn't get sick much execpt for the occasional " my

digestive system hates me for no reason " thing. I tend to be warmer than

average in cooler temps but my husband with no rosacea is really, really hot

natured. He had the flu last year and I didn't get it (but may have brought

it to work because everybody here got it but me). The older I get the

colder my hands are but I do office work and I think it's to do with too

much typing etc. I guess my only diffrence with alot of the posts is I

sweat and I sweat alot - but I live in the South and everyone sweats here!

Re: Hypervigilant immune system

> Yes, I would have to agree with that one. As a kid, I did have the flu

> and colds once a year. I also had strepthroat very often. As an adult,

> there have been long stretches where I have not had the flu. I think I

> last had the flu about six years ago. I can't remember the last time I

> had a cold. I had strepthroat about five years ago, but haven't been

> sick since.

> Take care,

> Matija

>

>

>

>

> > <<

the

> > immune system because I believe that my whole complex of problems

> ---

> > i.e., allergies, rosacea, migraines, and anxiety --- are related in

> some

> > way to my having an overenthusiastic immune response. One major

> clue is

> > that I hardly ever catch anything that's going around --- could

> this be

> > the trade-off for my being plagued with these annoying conditions?

> I

> > seem to be completely immune to the flu, and I seldom have a cold

> (and

> > the few that I have are over in couple of days). >>>

> >

> > This is my situation also but with rosacea, allergies, and

> fibromyalgia. However,

> > as a child and young adult I had my share of the flu, colds, and

> sore throats.

> > Once I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia some twelve years ago, then

> all my normal

> > illnesses stopped. My husband, who travels with his work, gets

> several colds each

> > winter and generally the flu. I never catch these illnesses from

> him although

> > sometimes I feel like I am coming down with them. But, within a day

> or two they

> > pass and I never develop the illness. One of the theories on

> fibromyalgia/chronic

> > fatigue is that the immune system is in a constant heightened state.

> I also

> > developed what I now realize were early signs of rosacea about four

> years after

> > the fibromyalgia diagnosis. I have always felt that my off and on

> again sore

> > muscles, irritable bowel, and now irritated skin are all symptoms of

> the same

> > health problem.

> >

> > Pat, please let me know if your research yields any supporting

> information on your

> > theory.

> >

> > a

>

>

>

> --

> Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group

(http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html)

>

> See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book.

>

> To leave the list send an email to

rosacea-support-unsubscribe

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Matija,

I think overall our immunity to colds/flu in adulthood is more about having

encountered many of the

" bugs " by the time we reach adulthood and our immune systems mainly recognizing

and going after those

bugs before they can make us sick. And too...we are in the prime of our lives

health-wise. It is the

children and the elderly that are most vulnerable to everything...the children

because their immune

systems are " learning the bug-ropes " so to speak and the elderly because their

immune system -- like

everything else -- is wearing down and is less effective.

When our immune systems attacks us (some arthritis, lupus, etc.), that is not so

much

" hyper-vigilance " as mistaken identity....seeing its own as " foreign " .

Sallie

ruizdelvizo@... wrote:

> Yes, I would have to agree with that one. As a kid, I did have the flu

> and colds once a year. I also had strepthroat very often. As an adult,

> there have been long stretches where I have not had the flu. I think I

> last had the flu about six years ago. I can't remember the last time I

> had a cold. I had strepthroat about five years ago, but haven't been

> sick since.

> Take care,

> Matija

>

>

> > <<

the

> > immune system because I believe that my whole complex of problems

> ---

> > i.e., allergies, rosacea, migraines, and anxiety --- are related in

> some

> > way to my having an overenthusiastic immune response. One major

> clue is

> > that I hardly ever catch anything that's going around --- could

> this be

> > the trade-off for my being plagued with these annoying conditions?

> I

> > seem to be completely immune to the flu, and I seldom have a cold

> (and

> > the few that I have are over in couple of days). >>>

> >

> > This is my situation also but with rosacea, allergies, and

> fibromyalgia. However,

> > as a child and young adult I had my share of the flu, colds, and

> sore throats.

> > Once I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia some twelve years ago, then

> all my normal

> > illnesses stopped. My husband, who travels with his work, gets

> several colds each

> > winter and generally the flu. I never catch these illnesses from

> him although

> > sometimes I feel like I am coming down with them. But, within a day

> or two they

> > pass and I never develop the illness. One of the theories on

> fibromyalgia/chronic

> > fatigue is that the immune system is in a constant heightened state.

> I also

> > developed what I now realize were early signs of rosacea about four

> years after

> > the fibromyalgia diagnosis. I have always felt that my off and on

> again sore

> > muscles, irritable bowel, and now irritated skin are all symptoms of

> the same

> > health problem.

> >

> > Pat, please let me know if your research yields any supporting

> information on your

> > theory.

> >

> > a

>

> --

> Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group

(http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html)

>

> See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book.

>

> To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Matija,

I think overall our immunity to colds/flu in adulthood is more about having

encountered many of the

" bugs " by the time we reach adulthood and our immune systems mainly recognizing

and going after those

bugs before they can make us sick. And too...we are in the prime of our lives

health-wise. It is the

children and the elderly that are most vulnerable to everything...the children

because their immune

systems are " learning the bug-ropes " so to speak and the elderly because their

immune system -- like

everything else -- is wearing down and is less effective.

When our immune systems attacks us (some arthritis, lupus, etc.), that is not so

much

" hyper-vigilance " as mistaken identity....seeing its own as " foreign " .

Sallie

ruizdelvizo@... wrote:

> Yes, I would have to agree with that one. As a kid, I did have the flu

> and colds once a year. I also had strepthroat very often. As an adult,

> there have been long stretches where I have not had the flu. I think I

> last had the flu about six years ago. I can't remember the last time I

> had a cold. I had strepthroat about five years ago, but haven't been

> sick since.

> Take care,

> Matija

>

>

> > <<

the

> > immune system because I believe that my whole complex of problems

> ---

> > i.e., allergies, rosacea, migraines, and anxiety --- are related in

> some

> > way to my having an overenthusiastic immune response. One major

> clue is

> > that I hardly ever catch anything that's going around --- could

> this be

> > the trade-off for my being plagued with these annoying conditions?

> I

> > seem to be completely immune to the flu, and I seldom have a cold

> (and

> > the few that I have are over in couple of days). >>>

> >

> > This is my situation also but with rosacea, allergies, and

> fibromyalgia. However,

> > as a child and young adult I had my share of the flu, colds, and

> sore throats.

> > Once I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia some twelve years ago, then

> all my normal

> > illnesses stopped. My husband, who travels with his work, gets

> several colds each

> > winter and generally the flu. I never catch these illnesses from

> him although

> > sometimes I feel like I am coming down with them. But, within a day

> or two they

> > pass and I never develop the illness. One of the theories on

> fibromyalgia/chronic

> > fatigue is that the immune system is in a constant heightened state.

> I also

> > developed what I now realize were early signs of rosacea about four

> years after

> > the fibromyalgia diagnosis. I have always felt that my off and on

> again sore

> > muscles, irritable bowel, and now irritated skin are all symptoms of

> the same

> > health problem.

> >

> > Pat, please let me know if your research yields any supporting

> information on your

> > theory.

> >

> > a

>

> --

> Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group

(http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html)

>

> See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book.

>

> To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Matija,

I think overall our immunity to colds/flu in adulthood is more about having

encountered many of the

" bugs " by the time we reach adulthood and our immune systems mainly recognizing

and going after those

bugs before they can make us sick. And too...we are in the prime of our lives

health-wise. It is the

children and the elderly that are most vulnerable to everything...the children

because their immune

systems are " learning the bug-ropes " so to speak and the elderly because their

immune system -- like

everything else -- is wearing down and is less effective.

When our immune systems attacks us (some arthritis, lupus, etc.), that is not so

much

" hyper-vigilance " as mistaken identity....seeing its own as " foreign " .

Sallie

ruizdelvizo@... wrote:

> Yes, I would have to agree with that one. As a kid, I did have the flu

> and colds once a year. I also had strepthroat very often. As an adult,

> there have been long stretches where I have not had the flu. I think I

> last had the flu about six years ago. I can't remember the last time I

> had a cold. I had strepthroat about five years ago, but haven't been

> sick since.

> Take care,

> Matija

>

>

> > <<

the

> > immune system because I believe that my whole complex of problems

> ---

> > i.e., allergies, rosacea, migraines, and anxiety --- are related in

> some

> > way to my having an overenthusiastic immune response. One major

> clue is

> > that I hardly ever catch anything that's going around --- could

> this be

> > the trade-off for my being plagued with these annoying conditions?

> I

> > seem to be completely immune to the flu, and I seldom have a cold

> (and

> > the few that I have are over in couple of days). >>>

> >

> > This is my situation also but with rosacea, allergies, and

> fibromyalgia. However,

> > as a child and young adult I had my share of the flu, colds, and

> sore throats.

> > Once I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia some twelve years ago, then

> all my normal

> > illnesses stopped. My husband, who travels with his work, gets

> several colds each

> > winter and generally the flu. I never catch these illnesses from

> him although

> > sometimes I feel like I am coming down with them. But, within a day

> or two they

> > pass and I never develop the illness. One of the theories on

> fibromyalgia/chronic

> > fatigue is that the immune system is in a constant heightened state.

> I also

> > developed what I now realize were early signs of rosacea about four

> years after

> > the fibromyalgia diagnosis. I have always felt that my off and on

> again sore

> > muscles, irritable bowel, and now irritated skin are all symptoms of

> the same

> > health problem.

> >

> > Pat, please let me know if your research yields any supporting

> information on your

> > theory.

> >

> > a

>

> --

> Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group

(http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html)

>

> See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book.

>

> To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe

>

>

[Guest guest]

This discussion of a hyper-vigilant immune system is

interesting.

There is also a discussion about hyper-vigilant immune

systems going on in an on-line celiac (wheat and

gluten intolerance) in which I participant.

The theory is that if you are constantly ingesting

something your body can't digest, your immune system

remains on " red alert " at all times, never having

opportunity to relax.

What's the corollary with rosacea? I can only answer

for myself.

I have rosacea, which was apparently caused by an

allergy to, or intolerance of (or both), wheat and

gluten. When I eat this food (and raw tomatoes, btw),

I experience all of the classic symptoms of flushing,

bumps, rashes, facial swelling, dry scratchy eyes,

etc. Now, 8 months after going gluten-free, I'm

relatively free of skin problems. My skin looks the

best it has looked in my adult life.

I also have psoriasis, an autoimmune disease. When I

first started my gluten-free program, it cleared up so

much, I thought it would go away completely. As of

yet, it hasn't, although it is greatly reduced.

When I'm exposed to gluten inadvertently (like in

restaurant food), my psoriasis itches and becomes

inflammed -- my hyper-vigilant immune system

reacting... Claritin seems to help squelch many of the

unpleasant reactions I experience, but has no effect

on my psoriasis that I can see. I attribute this to

the difference between allergic reaction and an immune

response...

People with hyper immune systems shouldn't take herbs

or supplements that are reported to increase immune

activity.

Folks with multiple complaints ranging beyond their

face might want to check out the celiac.com website. I

shows the links between gluten intolerance and a host

of other diseases, including autoimmune. It also

explains how gluten intolerance can be misdiagnosed as

other things... It's worth a shot. Gluten intolerance

has been estimated to be in one in every 50 to 150

people in the population, depending on which study you

read.

Suzi

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

This discussion of a hyper-vigilant immune system is

interesting.

There is also a discussion about hyper-vigilant immune

systems going on in an on-line celiac (wheat and

gluten intolerance) in which I participant.

The theory is that if you are constantly ingesting

something your body can't digest, your immune system

remains on " red alert " at all times, never having

opportunity to relax.

What's the corollary with rosacea? I can only answer

for myself.

I have rosacea, which was apparently caused by an

allergy to, or intolerance of (or both), wheat and

gluten. When I eat this food (and raw tomatoes, btw),

I experience all of the classic symptoms of flushing,

bumps, rashes, facial swelling, dry scratchy eyes,

etc. Now, 8 months after going gluten-free, I'm

relatively free of skin problems. My skin looks the

best it has looked in my adult life.

I also have psoriasis, an autoimmune disease. When I

first started my gluten-free program, it cleared up so

much, I thought it would go away completely. As of

yet, it hasn't, although it is greatly reduced.

When I'm exposed to gluten inadvertently (like in

restaurant food), my psoriasis itches and becomes

inflammed -- my hyper-vigilant immune system

reacting... Claritin seems to help squelch many of the

unpleasant reactions I experience, but has no effect

on my psoriasis that I can see. I attribute this to

the difference between allergic reaction and an immune

response...

People with hyper immune systems shouldn't take herbs

or supplements that are reported to increase immune

activity.

Folks with multiple complaints ranging beyond their

face might want to check out the celiac.com website. I

shows the links between gluten intolerance and a host

of other diseases, including autoimmune. It also

explains how gluten intolerance can be misdiagnosed as

other things... It's worth a shot. Gluten intolerance

has been estimated to be in one in every 50 to 150

people in the population, depending on which study you

read.

Suzi

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

This discussion of a hyper-vigilant immune system is

interesting.

There is also a discussion about hyper-vigilant immune

systems going on in an on-line celiac (wheat and

gluten intolerance) in which I participant.

The theory is that if you are constantly ingesting

something your body can't digest, your immune system

remains on " red alert " at all times, never having

opportunity to relax.

What's the corollary with rosacea? I can only answer

for myself.

I have rosacea, which was apparently caused by an

allergy to, or intolerance of (or both), wheat and

gluten. When I eat this food (and raw tomatoes, btw),

I experience all of the classic symptoms of flushing,

bumps, rashes, facial swelling, dry scratchy eyes,

etc. Now, 8 months after going gluten-free, I'm

relatively free of skin problems. My skin looks the

best it has looked in my adult life.

I also have psoriasis, an autoimmune disease. When I

first started my gluten-free program, it cleared up so

much, I thought it would go away completely. As of

yet, it hasn't, although it is greatly reduced.

When I'm exposed to gluten inadvertently (like in

restaurant food), my psoriasis itches and becomes

inflammed -- my hyper-vigilant immune system

reacting... Claritin seems to help squelch many of the

unpleasant reactions I experience, but has no effect

on my psoriasis that I can see. I attribute this to

the difference between allergic reaction and an immune

response...

People with hyper immune systems shouldn't take herbs

or supplements that are reported to increase immune

activity.

Folks with multiple complaints ranging beyond their

face might want to check out the celiac.com website. I

shows the links between gluten intolerance and a host

of other diseases, including autoimmune. It also

explains how gluten intolerance can be misdiagnosed as

other things... It's worth a shot. Gluten intolerance

has been estimated to be in one in every 50 to 150

people in the population, depending on which study you

read.

Suzi

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I believe it is documented that rosaceans have a hyperactive immune system.

For some reason immune cells flock to the facial area during flushing

episodes, so one can infer that we would be hyper-resistant to the flu or

the common cold if we flush a lot. The million dollar question is: why is

our immune system is kicked in to overdrive when we flush ( " rosacea is not

an auto-immune disease " nase, pp93)? Is there a medical way to tell it that

it is a false alarm? It wouldn't be a cure, but it would help stave the

progression.

jdv

Re: Re: Hypervigilant immune system

> Dear Matija,

>

> I think overall our immunity to colds/flu in adulthood is more about

having encountered many of the

> " bugs " by the time we reach adulthood and our immune systems mainly

recognizing and going after those

> bugs before they can make us sick. And too...we are in the prime of our

lives health-wise. It is the

> children and the elderly that are most vulnerable to everything...the

children because their immune

> systems are " learning the bug-ropes " so to speak and the elderly because

their immune system -- like

> everything else -- is wearing down and is less effective.

>

> When our immune systems attacks us (some arthritis, lupus, etc.), that is

not so much

> " hyper-vigilance " as mistaken identity....seeing its own as " foreign " .

>

> Sallie

> ruizdelvizo@... wrote:

>

> > Yes, I would have to agree with that one. As a kid, I did have the flu

> > and colds once a year. I also had strepthroat very often. As an adult,

> > there have been long stretches where I have not had the flu. I think I

> > last had the flu about six years ago. I can't remember the last time I

> > had a cold. I had strepthroat about five years ago, but haven't been

> > sick since.

> > Take care,

> > Matija

> >

> >

> > > <<

> the

> > > immune system because I believe that my whole complex of problems

> > ---

> > > i.e., allergies, rosacea, migraines, and anxiety --- are related in

> > some

> > > way to my having an overenthusiastic immune response. One major

> > clue is

> > > that I hardly ever catch anything that's going around --- could

> > this be

> > > the trade-off for my being plagued with these annoying conditions?

> > I

> > > seem to be completely immune to the flu, and I seldom have a cold

> > (and

> > > the few that I have are over in couple of days). >>>

> > >

> > > This is my situation also but with rosacea, allergies, and

> > fibromyalgia. However,

> > > as a child and young adult I had my share of the flu, colds, and

> > sore throats.

> > > Once I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia some twelve years ago, then

> > all my normal

> > > illnesses stopped. My husband, who travels with his work, gets

> > several colds each

> > > winter and generally the flu. I never catch these illnesses from

> > him although

> > > sometimes I feel like I am coming down with them. But, within a day

> > or two they

> > > pass and I never develop the illness. One of the theories on

> > fibromyalgia/chronic

> > > fatigue is that the immune system is in a constant heightened state.

> > I also

> > > developed what I now realize were early signs of rosacea about four

> > years after

> > > the fibromyalgia diagnosis. I have always felt that my off and on

> > again sore

> > > muscles, irritable bowel, and now irritated skin are all symptoms of

> > the same

> > > health problem.

> > >

> > > Pat, please let me know if your research yields any supporting

> > information on your

> > > theory.

> > >

> > > a

> >

> > --

> > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group

(http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html)

> >

> > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book.

> >

> > To leave the list send an email to

rosacea-support-unsubscribe

> >

> >