Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 Good morning to everyone and i hope today brings on a better day for most of us! For those who know I have been seperated for a while..my hubby decided to come back home late last night...Already this morning we were at it and caused me severe pain..stress stress...brings on mine all the time. The bathroom has been the only room I have been in so far besided here with you guys lol...you know everyone has been talking about the smelly poopies! Does anyone have extremely painfull pooopies? Every morning I am in there in pain for an hour with painful cramps and severe pain in that tail of my pancreas..does anyone else have that problem?? I was also in the chat room last n ight where I met , and Gail..great chatting!! i hope I can meet more of you in the chat room tonite! It sure was fun!!! Rosemary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 In a message dated 7/27/02 8:16:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sassyroe1@... writes: > sassyroe1@...sassyroe1@... Rosemary - found this link and it has alot of information. I am finding that there is alot of information, but sometimes it is quite time-consuming to find what you are looking for... http://www.pancreatitis.org.uk/ Some excerpts: " A well balanced diet is probably helpful. You need not restrict fatty food and in fact an adequate intake of fat may help to prevent weight loss. If you have access to a dietician, you should ask for advice on how to maintain an intake of 100 grams of fat and 100 grams of protein each day. If this diet causes symptoms such as diarrhoea or looseness of stools it is better to begin or increase the dose of pancreatic enzyme supplements rather than to cut down the amount you are eating. It is probably also helpful to stop smoking, because smoking stresses the body's natural defence mechanisms against inflammation and may contribute to the damage occurring in the pancreas. Can vitamin supplements help? There is some evidence that antioxidants help to protect against inflammation in a wide variety of diseases There are many vitamin preparations with added antioxidants available from chemists and Health Food shops. These preparations will certainly do no harm, and some patients find their pain is less severe or less frequent when they are taking them. Look out for formulations which contain vitamin C, vitamin E and Selenium . " Here are two more: http://www.top5plus5.com/Pancreas/QUESTIONS%20&%20ANSWERS/Enzyme%20Caps.htm " Super Digestive Enzyme CapsChoosing the right enzyme supplement can be difficult. Enzymes are very delicate and if not properly manufactured, they can easily lose their potency. Commercial enzyme supplements are often neutralized by varying pH levels of stomach acids. A digestive enzyme supplement should be broad-spectrum so that it can facilitate the digestion of protein, fat, carbohydrate, fiber, and milk lactose. The use of acid-protected enzyme formulas can enhance efficacy. One such formula that obtains its enzymes from fungus (but has no fungal residue) is called Super Digestive Enzyme Caps. This product is formulated to be effective in a broad spectrum of stomach acid pH conditions. Each capsule of Super Enzyme Caps contains a pancreatin and fungal enzyme concentrate that provides the following digestive activity " ... then this one: http://www.alternativemedicine.com/http://www.alternativemedicine.com/ " A number of studies have explored the role of oxidative stress in pancreatitis. Oxidative stress results from the production of free radicals, which are by-products of metabolism that are harmful to cells in the body. Several ways to neutralize these deleterious effects have evolved over time. Antioxidants, for example, help rid the body of free radicals. Insufficient antioxidant levels in the blood (including reduced amounts of vitamin A, vitamin E, selenium, and carotenoids), though, may lead to chronic pancreatitis due to the destructive effects of increased free radical activity. Antioxidant deficiency and the risk of developing pancreatitis may be particularly relevant in areas of the world with low soil concentrations or low dietary intake of antioxidants. In addition, the cooking and processing of foods may destroy antioxidants. Alcohol-induced pancreatitis is linked to low levels of antioxidants as well. There is also some evidence that antioxidant supplements may eliminate or minimize oxidative stress and help alleviate pain from chronic pancreatitis. " (I think it all goes back to diet, diet, diet and then reduce your stress level:) I hope your day goes well today. Please don't let the stress get too bad - you know you can email me, gwest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 > In a message dated 7/27/02 8:16:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > http://www.pancreatitis.org.uk/ > > Some excerpts: > " A well balanced diet is probably helpful. You need not restrict fatty food > and in fact an adequate intake of fat may help to prevent weight loss. If you > have access to a dietician, you should ask for advice on how to maintain an > intake of 100 grams of fat and 100 grams of protein each day. If this diet > causes symptoms such as diarrhoea or looseness of stools it is better to > begin or increase the dose of pancreatic enzyme supplements rather than to > cut down the amount you are eating. > This statement concerns me greatly, and I am personally opposed to the idea of advising a patient with pancreatitis that 100 grams of fat and 100 grams of protein are recommended as a daily dietary intake with pancreatitis. That amount of fat and protein would put me in the emergency room within hours! My gastroenterologist recommended NO MORE than 20-25 grams of fat on a daily basis, and no more than 30 grams of protein, as the protein is also hard for a person with CP to digest. I have tested this advice, and attempted at times to eat more than the usual 20 grams of fat, and automatically find myself in pain and severe discomfort within half a day. This also causes havoc with my bowels, even though I do take high dosage enzymes. Just my 2 cents worth. With hope and prayers, (On the road in Virginia) Heidi Heidi H. Griffeth Bluffton, SC the rest of the time hhessgriffeth@... Southeastern Representative Pancreatitis Association, Intl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 > In a message dated 7/27/02 8:16:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > http://www.pancreatitis.org.uk/ > > Some excerpts: > " A well balanced diet is probably helpful. You need not restrict fatty food > and in fact an adequate intake of fat may help to prevent weight loss. If you > have access to a dietician, you should ask for advice on how to maintain an > intake of 100 grams of fat and 100 grams of protein each day. If this diet > causes symptoms such as diarrhoea or looseness of stools it is better to > begin or increase the dose of pancreatic enzyme supplements rather than to > cut down the amount you are eating. > This statement concerns me greatly, and I am personally opposed to the idea of advising a patient with pancreatitis that 100 grams of fat and 100 grams of protein are recommended as a daily dietary intake with pancreatitis. That amount of fat and protein would put me in the emergency room within hours! My gastroenterologist recommended NO MORE than 20-25 grams of fat on a daily basis, and no more than 30 grams of protein, as the protein is also hard for a person with CP to digest. I have tested this advice, and attempted at times to eat more than the usual 20 grams of fat, and automatically find myself in pain and severe discomfort within half a day. This also causes havoc with my bowels, even though I do take high dosage enzymes. Just my 2 cents worth. With hope and prayers, (On the road in Virginia) Heidi Heidi H. Griffeth Bluffton, SC the rest of the time hhessgriffeth@... Southeastern Representative Pancreatitis Association, Intl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 Yes, it is different than what is normally said. I think it should only be followed with caution, but I guess some people can balance with enzyme supplements. Rosemary is in the chat room right now and would love to discuss this with you if you have time, gw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 Yes, it is different than what is normally said. I think it should only be followed with caution, but I guess some people can balance with enzyme supplements. Rosemary is in the chat room right now and would love to discuss this with you if you have time, gw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 Yes, it is different than what is normally said. I think it should only be followed with caution, but I guess some people can balance with enzyme supplements. Rosemary is in the chat room right now and would love to discuss this with you if you have time, gw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 Just a comment - Smoking causes vasoconstriction, which means it causes the arteries and capillaries to constrict. This increases blood pressure. Arteries are composed of three layers of muscle. It doesn't affect veins because veins contain no muscle. The pancreatic ducts also contain muscle in their walls. This is how they " pump " pancreatic fluid out of the organ into the intestine. Anyway, I have a theory that smoking also causes the pancreatic ducts to constrict. This ain't a good thing when you have pancreatitis. And yes, I am a smoker. Just thought I'd share... Jerry/NC ************************ Re: Good Morning! > It is probably also helpful to stop smoking, because smoking stresses the > body's natural defence mechanisms against inflammation and may contribute to > the damage occurring in the pancreas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 Just a comment - Smoking causes vasoconstriction, which means it causes the arteries and capillaries to constrict. This increases blood pressure. Arteries are composed of three layers of muscle. It doesn't affect veins because veins contain no muscle. The pancreatic ducts also contain muscle in their walls. This is how they " pump " pancreatic fluid out of the organ into the intestine. Anyway, I have a theory that smoking also causes the pancreatic ducts to constrict. This ain't a good thing when you have pancreatitis. And yes, I am a smoker. Just thought I'd share... Jerry/NC ************************ Re: Good Morning! > It is probably also helpful to stop smoking, because smoking stresses the > body's natural defence mechanisms against inflammation and may contribute to > the damage occurring in the pancreas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 Just a comment - Smoking causes vasoconstriction, which means it causes the arteries and capillaries to constrict. This increases blood pressure. Arteries are composed of three layers of muscle. It doesn't affect veins because veins contain no muscle. The pancreatic ducts also contain muscle in their walls. This is how they " pump " pancreatic fluid out of the organ into the intestine. Anyway, I have a theory that smoking also causes the pancreatic ducts to constrict. This ain't a good thing when you have pancreatitis. And yes, I am a smoker. Just thought I'd share... Jerry/NC ************************ Re: Good Morning! > It is probably also helpful to stop smoking, because smoking stresses the > body's natural defence mechanisms against inflammation and may contribute to > the damage occurring in the pancreas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 ---Thank you so much Gail! I am very interested in the antioxidents and I asked my dr about them, but he seems to feel that it wont help me, but it wont hurt to take them..but as we know by now, we really dont pay attention to their doubts lolol.. I have to stay away from alll fats..i had a severe attack 2 years ago and in hospital for 2 months from it , that acute attack was brought on by my HIGH trygliycerides..they were 1200!! I also have Porphyra and that is what causes all my cholestrol, tryiglycerides ect..to always be elevated..plus being italian and eating all the sauces fats meats pastries, and always drinking red wine with my meals with my families didnt help either lol..I miss the food and the wine the most lolol thanks again for the sites..Does anyone else take antioxidants? Rosemary In pancreatitis@y..., gwest1955@a... wrote: > In a message dated 7/27/02 8:16:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > sassyroe1@y... writes: > > > > sassyroe1@y... > > Rosemary - found this link and it has alot of information. I am finding that > there is alot of information, but sometimes it is quite time- consuming to > find what you are looking for... > > http://www.pancreatitis.org.uk/ > > Some excerpts: > " A well balanced diet is probably helpful. You need not restrict fatty food > and in fact an adequate intake of fat may help to prevent weight loss. If you > have access to a dietician, you should ask for advice on how to maintain an > intake of 100 grams of fat and 100 grams of protein each day. If this diet > causes symptoms such as diarrhoea or looseness of stools it is better to > begin or increase the dose of pancreatic enzyme supplements rather than to > cut down the amount you are eating. > > It is probably also helpful to stop smoking, because smoking stresses the > body's natural defence mechanisms against inflammation and may contribute to > the damage occurring in the pancreas. > > Can vitamin supplements help? There is some evidence that antioxidants help > to protect against inflammation in a wide variety of diseases There are many > vitamin preparations with added antioxidants available from chemists and > Health Food shops. These preparations will certainly do no harm, and some > patients find their pain is less severe or less frequent when they are taking > them. Look out for formulations which contain vitamin C, vitamin E and > Selenium . " > > Here are two more: > > http://www.top5plus5.com/Pancreas/QUESTIONS%20&%20ANSWERS/Enzyme% 20Caps.htm > > " Super Digestive Enzyme CapsChoosing the right enzyme supplement can be > difficult. Enzymes are very delicate and if not properly manufactured, they > can easily lose their potency. Commercial enzyme supplements are often > neutralized by varying pH levels of stomach acids. A digestive enzyme > supplement should be broad-spectrum so that it can facilitate the digestion > of protein, fat, carbohydrate, fiber, and milk lactose. The use of > acid-protected enzyme formulas can enhance efficacy. One such formula that > obtains its enzymes from fungus (but has no fungal residue) is called Super > Digestive Enzyme Caps. This product is formulated to be effective in a broad > spectrum of stomach acid pH conditions. Each capsule of Super Enzyme Caps > contains a pancreatin and fungal enzyme concentrate that provides the > following digestive activity " ... > > then this one: > http://www.alternativemedicine.com/http://www.alternativemedic ine.com/ > > " A number of studies have explored the role of oxidative stress in > pancreatitis. Oxidative stress results from the production of free radicals, > which are by-products of metabolism that are harmful to cells in the body. > Several ways to neutralize these deleterious effects have evolved over time. > Antioxidants, for example, help rid the body of free radicals. Insufficient > antioxidant levels in the blood (including reduced amounts of vitamin A, > vitamin E, selenium, and carotenoids), though, may lead to chronic > pancreatitis due to the destructive effects of increased free radical > activity. Antioxidant deficiency and the risk of developing pancreatitis may > be particularly relevant in areas of the world with low soil concentrations > or low dietary intake of antioxidants. In addition, the cooking and > processing of foods may destroy antioxidants. Alcohol-induced pancreatitis is > linked to low levels of antioxidants as well. There is also some evidence > that antioxidant supplements may eliminate or minimize oxidative stress and > help alleviate pain from chronic pancreatitis. " > > (I think it all goes back to diet, diet, diet and then reduce your stress > level:) I hope your day goes well today. Please don't let the stress get > too bad - you know you can email me, > > gwest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 ---Thank you so much Gail! I am very interested in the antioxidents and I asked my dr about them, but he seems to feel that it wont help me, but it wont hurt to take them..but as we know by now, we really dont pay attention to their doubts lolol.. I have to stay away from alll fats..i had a severe attack 2 years ago and in hospital for 2 months from it , that acute attack was brought on by my HIGH trygliycerides..they were 1200!! I also have Porphyra and that is what causes all my cholestrol, tryiglycerides ect..to always be elevated..plus being italian and eating all the sauces fats meats pastries, and always drinking red wine with my meals with my families didnt help either lol..I miss the food and the wine the most lolol thanks again for the sites..Does anyone else take antioxidants? Rosemary In pancreatitis@y..., gwest1955@a... wrote: > In a message dated 7/27/02 8:16:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > sassyroe1@y... writes: > > > > sassyroe1@y... > > Rosemary - found this link and it has alot of information. I am finding that > there is alot of information, but sometimes it is quite time- consuming to > find what you are looking for... > > http://www.pancreatitis.org.uk/ > > Some excerpts: > " A well balanced diet is probably helpful. You need not restrict fatty food > and in fact an adequate intake of fat may help to prevent weight loss. If you > have access to a dietician, you should ask for advice on how to maintain an > intake of 100 grams of fat and 100 grams of protein each day. If this diet > causes symptoms such as diarrhoea or looseness of stools it is better to > begin or increase the dose of pancreatic enzyme supplements rather than to > cut down the amount you are eating. > > It is probably also helpful to stop smoking, because smoking stresses the > body's natural defence mechanisms against inflammation and may contribute to > the damage occurring in the pancreas. > > Can vitamin supplements help? There is some evidence that antioxidants help > to protect against inflammation in a wide variety of diseases There are many > vitamin preparations with added antioxidants available from chemists and > Health Food shops. These preparations will certainly do no harm, and some > patients find their pain is less severe or less frequent when they are taking > them. Look out for formulations which contain vitamin C, vitamin E and > Selenium . " > > Here are two more: > > http://www.top5plus5.com/Pancreas/QUESTIONS%20&%20ANSWERS/Enzyme% 20Caps.htm > > " Super Digestive Enzyme CapsChoosing the right enzyme supplement can be > difficult. Enzymes are very delicate and if not properly manufactured, they > can easily lose their potency. Commercial enzyme supplements are often > neutralized by varying pH levels of stomach acids. A digestive enzyme > supplement should be broad-spectrum so that it can facilitate the digestion > of protein, fat, carbohydrate, fiber, and milk lactose. The use of > acid-protected enzyme formulas can enhance efficacy. One such formula that > obtains its enzymes from fungus (but has no fungal residue) is called Super > Digestive Enzyme Caps. This product is formulated to be effective in a broad > spectrum of stomach acid pH conditions. Each capsule of Super Enzyme Caps > contains a pancreatin and fungal enzyme concentrate that provides the > following digestive activity " ... > > then this one: > http://www.alternativemedicine.com/http://www.alternativemedic ine.com/ > > " A number of studies have explored the role of oxidative stress in > pancreatitis. Oxidative stress results from the production of free radicals, > which are by-products of metabolism that are harmful to cells in the body. > Several ways to neutralize these deleterious effects have evolved over time. > Antioxidants, for example, help rid the body of free radicals. Insufficient > antioxidant levels in the blood (including reduced amounts of vitamin A, > vitamin E, selenium, and carotenoids), though, may lead to chronic > pancreatitis due to the destructive effects of increased free radical > activity. Antioxidant deficiency and the risk of developing pancreatitis may > be particularly relevant in areas of the world with low soil concentrations > or low dietary intake of antioxidants. In addition, the cooking and > processing of foods may destroy antioxidants. Alcohol-induced pancreatitis is > linked to low levels of antioxidants as well. There is also some evidence > that antioxidant supplements may eliminate or minimize oxidative stress and > help alleviate pain from chronic pancreatitis. " > > (I think it all goes back to diet, diet, diet and then reduce your stress > level:) I hope your day goes well today. Please don't let the stress get > too bad - you know you can email me, > > gwest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 ---Thank you so much Gail! I am very interested in the antioxidents and I asked my dr about them, but he seems to feel that it wont help me, but it wont hurt to take them..but as we know by now, we really dont pay attention to their doubts lolol.. I have to stay away from alll fats..i had a severe attack 2 years ago and in hospital for 2 months from it , that acute attack was brought on by my HIGH trygliycerides..they were 1200!! I also have Porphyra and that is what causes all my cholestrol, tryiglycerides ect..to always be elevated..plus being italian and eating all the sauces fats meats pastries, and always drinking red wine with my meals with my families didnt help either lol..I miss the food and the wine the most lolol thanks again for the sites..Does anyone else take antioxidants? Rosemary In pancreatitis@y..., gwest1955@a... wrote: > In a message dated 7/27/02 8:16:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > sassyroe1@y... writes: > > > > sassyroe1@y... > > Rosemary - found this link and it has alot of information. I am finding that > there is alot of information, but sometimes it is quite time- consuming to > find what you are looking for... > > http://www.pancreatitis.org.uk/ > > Some excerpts: > " A well balanced diet is probably helpful. You need not restrict fatty food > and in fact an adequate intake of fat may help to prevent weight loss. If you > have access to a dietician, you should ask for advice on how to maintain an > intake of 100 grams of fat and 100 grams of protein each day. If this diet > causes symptoms such as diarrhoea or looseness of stools it is better to > begin or increase the dose of pancreatic enzyme supplements rather than to > cut down the amount you are eating. > > It is probably also helpful to stop smoking, because smoking stresses the > body's natural defence mechanisms against inflammation and may contribute to > the damage occurring in the pancreas. > > Can vitamin supplements help? There is some evidence that antioxidants help > to protect against inflammation in a wide variety of diseases There are many > vitamin preparations with added antioxidants available from chemists and > Health Food shops. These preparations will certainly do no harm, and some > patients find their pain is less severe or less frequent when they are taking > them. Look out for formulations which contain vitamin C, vitamin E and > Selenium . " > > Here are two more: > > http://www.top5plus5.com/Pancreas/QUESTIONS%20&%20ANSWERS/Enzyme% 20Caps.htm > > " Super Digestive Enzyme CapsChoosing the right enzyme supplement can be > difficult. Enzymes are very delicate and if not properly manufactured, they > can easily lose their potency. Commercial enzyme supplements are often > neutralized by varying pH levels of stomach acids. A digestive enzyme > supplement should be broad-spectrum so that it can facilitate the digestion > of protein, fat, carbohydrate, fiber, and milk lactose. The use of > acid-protected enzyme formulas can enhance efficacy. One such formula that > obtains its enzymes from fungus (but has no fungal residue) is called Super > Digestive Enzyme Caps. This product is formulated to be effective in a broad > spectrum of stomach acid pH conditions. Each capsule of Super Enzyme Caps > contains a pancreatin and fungal enzyme concentrate that provides the > following digestive activity " ... > > then this one: > http://www.alternativemedicine.com/http://www.alternativemedic ine.com/ > > " A number of studies have explored the role of oxidative stress in > pancreatitis. Oxidative stress results from the production of free radicals, > which are by-products of metabolism that are harmful to cells in the body. > Several ways to neutralize these deleterious effects have evolved over time. > Antioxidants, for example, help rid the body of free radicals. Insufficient > antioxidant levels in the blood (including reduced amounts of vitamin A, > vitamin E, selenium, and carotenoids), though, may lead to chronic > pancreatitis due to the destructive effects of increased free radical > activity. Antioxidant deficiency and the risk of developing pancreatitis may > be particularly relevant in areas of the world with low soil concentrations > or low dietary intake of antioxidants. In addition, the cooking and > processing of foods may destroy antioxidants. Alcohol-induced pancreatitis is > linked to low levels of antioxidants as well. There is also some evidence > that antioxidant supplements may eliminate or minimize oxidative stress and > help alleviate pain from chronic pancreatitis. " > > (I think it all goes back to diet, diet, diet and then reduce your stress > level:) I hope your day goes well today. Please don't let the stress get > too bad - you know you can email me, > > gwest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2002 Report Share Posted July 28, 2002 Most definitely Jerry! Second hand smoke also causes attacks. I have been in the hospital several times because of someones' cigarette or cigar smoke. The worst attack I ever had was caused by pipe smoke my cousin had at a family reunion. Cost me three weeks in the hospital. Its always something huh? Kaye - In pancreatitis@y..., " Jerry Pople " wrote: > Just a comment - Smoking causes vasoconstriction, which means it causes the > arteries and capillaries to constrict. This increases blood pressure. > Arteries are composed of three layers of muscle. It doesn't affect veins > because veins contain no muscle. The pancreatic ducts also contain muscle in > their walls. This is how they " pump " pancreatic fluid out of the organ into > the intestine. > > Anyway, I have a theory that smoking also causes the pancreatic ducts to > constrict. This ain't a good thing when you have pancreatitis. And yes, I am > a smoker. > > Just thought I'd share... > > Jerry/NC > ************************ > Re: Good Morning! > > > > It is probably also helpful to stop smoking, because smoking stresses the > > body's natural defence mechanisms against inflammation and may contribute > to > > the damage occurring in the pancreas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2002 Report Share Posted July 28, 2002 Most definitely Jerry! Second hand smoke also causes attacks. I have been in the hospital several times because of someones' cigarette or cigar smoke. The worst attack I ever had was caused by pipe smoke my cousin had at a family reunion. Cost me three weeks in the hospital. Its always something huh? Kaye - In pancreatitis@y..., " Jerry Pople " wrote: > Just a comment - Smoking causes vasoconstriction, which means it causes the > arteries and capillaries to constrict. This increases blood pressure. > Arteries are composed of three layers of muscle. It doesn't affect veins > because veins contain no muscle. The pancreatic ducts also contain muscle in > their walls. This is how they " pump " pancreatic fluid out of the organ into > the intestine. > > Anyway, I have a theory that smoking also causes the pancreatic ducts to > constrict. This ain't a good thing when you have pancreatitis. And yes, I am > a smoker. > > Just thought I'd share... > > Jerry/NC > ************************ > Re: Good Morning! > > > > It is probably also helpful to stop smoking, because smoking stresses the > > body's natural defence mechanisms against inflammation and may contribute > to > > the damage occurring in the pancreas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2002 Report Share Posted July 28, 2002 Most definitely Jerry! Second hand smoke also causes attacks. I have been in the hospital several times because of someones' cigarette or cigar smoke. The worst attack I ever had was caused by pipe smoke my cousin had at a family reunion. Cost me three weeks in the hospital. Its always something huh? Kaye - In pancreatitis@y..., " Jerry Pople " wrote: > Just a comment - Smoking causes vasoconstriction, which means it causes the > arteries and capillaries to constrict. This increases blood pressure. > Arteries are composed of three layers of muscle. It doesn't affect veins > because veins contain no muscle. The pancreatic ducts also contain muscle in > their walls. This is how they " pump " pancreatic fluid out of the organ into > the intestine. > > Anyway, I have a theory that smoking also causes the pancreatic ducts to > constrict. This ain't a good thing when you have pancreatitis. And yes, I am > a smoker. > > Just thought I'd share... > > Jerry/NC > ************************ > Re: Good Morning! > > > > It is probably also helpful to stop smoking, because smoking stresses the > > body's natural defence mechanisms against inflammation and may contribute > to > > the damage occurring in the pancreas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2002 Report Share Posted July 28, 2002 Kaye, if it ain't one thing, it's another, just like RoseAnn RoseDanna said! Jerry/NC ************************************* Re: Good Morning! > Most definitely Jerry! > Its always something huh? > > Kaye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2002 Report Share Posted July 28, 2002 Kaye, if it ain't one thing, it's another, just like RoseAnn RoseDanna said! Jerry/NC ************************************* Re: Good Morning! > Most definitely Jerry! > Its always something huh? > > Kaye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2002 Report Share Posted July 28, 2002 ---Heidi, I have to agree with you. Cheating has allowed me to gain some much needed weight but, if I do to often, or to much I will definitely regret it. I have to stay under 30 grams of fat a day, but I did not know about the protein thing. That is goood to know. It has been awhile since I have posted, but I do read a lot. Cheryl In pancreatitis@y..., " hhessgriffeth " wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/27/02 8:16:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > http://www.pancreatitis.org.uk/ > > > > Some excerpts: > > " A well balanced diet is probably helpful. You need not restrict > fatty food > > and in fact an adequate intake of fat may help to prevent weight > loss. If you > > have access to a dietician, you should ask for advice on how to > maintain an > > intake of 100 grams of fat and 100 grams of protein each day. If > this diet > > causes symptoms such as diarrhoea or looseness of stools it > is better to > > begin or increase the dose of pancreatic enzyme supplements > rather than to > > cut down the amount you are eating. > > > > This statement concerns me greatly, and I am personally > opposed to the idea of advising a patient with pancreatitis that > 100 grams of fat and 100 grams of protein are recommended > as a daily dietary intake with pancreatitis. That amount of fat and > protein would put me in the emergency room within hours! My > gastroenterologist recommended NO MORE than 20-25 grams > of fat on a daily basis, and no more than 30 grams of protein, as > the protein is also hard for a person with CP to digest. > > I have tested this advice, and attempted at times to eat more > than the usual 20 grams of fat, and automatically find myself in > pain and severe discomfort within half a day. This also causes > havoc with my bowels, even though I do take high dosage > enzymes. > > Just my 2 cents worth. > > With hope and prayers, > (On the road in Virginia) > Heidi > > > Heidi H. Griffeth > Bluffton, SC the rest of the time > hhessgriffeth@h... > Southeastern Representative > Pancreatitis Association, Intl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2002 Report Share Posted July 28, 2002 ---Heidi, I have to agree with you. Cheating has allowed me to gain some much needed weight but, if I do to often, or to much I will definitely regret it. I have to stay under 30 grams of fat a day, but I did not know about the protein thing. That is goood to know. It has been awhile since I have posted, but I do read a lot. Cheryl In pancreatitis@y..., " hhessgriffeth " wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/27/02 8:16:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > http://www.pancreatitis.org.uk/ > > > > Some excerpts: > > " A well balanced diet is probably helpful. You need not restrict > fatty food > > and in fact an adequate intake of fat may help to prevent weight > loss. If you > > have access to a dietician, you should ask for advice on how to > maintain an > > intake of 100 grams of fat and 100 grams of protein each day. If > this diet > > causes symptoms such as diarrhoea or looseness of stools it > is better to > > begin or increase the dose of pancreatic enzyme supplements > rather than to > > cut down the amount you are eating. > > > > This statement concerns me greatly, and I am personally > opposed to the idea of advising a patient with pancreatitis that > 100 grams of fat and 100 grams of protein are recommended > as a daily dietary intake with pancreatitis. That amount of fat and > protein would put me in the emergency room within hours! My > gastroenterologist recommended NO MORE than 20-25 grams > of fat on a daily basis, and no more than 30 grams of protein, as > the protein is also hard for a person with CP to digest. > > I have tested this advice, and attempted at times to eat more > than the usual 20 grams of fat, and automatically find myself in > pain and severe discomfort within half a day. This also causes > havoc with my bowels, even though I do take high dosage > enzymes. > > Just my 2 cents worth. > > With hope and prayers, > (On the road in Virginia) > Heidi > > > Heidi H. Griffeth > Bluffton, SC the rest of the time > hhessgriffeth@h... > Southeastern Representative > Pancreatitis Association, Intl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2002 Report Share Posted July 28, 2002 Make that two of us, Heidi. Kimber -- Kimber Vallejo, CA hominid2@... Southwest Representative Pancreatitis Association, International Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2002 Report Share Posted July 28, 2002 Make that two of us, Heidi. Kimber -- Kimber Vallejo, CA hominid2@... Southwest Representative Pancreatitis Association, International Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2002 Report Share Posted July 28, 2002 Make that two of us, Heidi. Kimber -- Kimber Vallejo, CA hominid2@... Southwest Representative Pancreatitis Association, International Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2002 Report Share Posted July 29, 2002 Dear Heidi, I think that this is another case that demonstrates that there really are no " hard and fasts " where CP is concerned - and that what works perfectly well for one individual might be disastrous for another. It's good to have the different input however, so that each person may, as Poncho often suggests, look hard at what they're doing/not doing, and make their decisions based on what their own body is telling them. What keeps me healthy may well put you in the hospital. And what you are able to live on would probably put me in the position of dealing with malnutrition (though I eat far, FAR less than any of my counterparts who weigh considerably less than I do - 188, 5' 9.5 " ). I suspect that which is wrong with each of our respective pancreas is probably slightly - or not so slightly - different. It's a big area with lots and lots of different things that can make it a pretty unhappy organ/string of organs... and we each have to work diligently to find out what makes us sick, healthy, lethargic, energetic, depressed, fulfilled, etc... We just don't know enough yet for there to be ANY cookie-cutter answers... So information from ALL sources is great to see published, so long as we all keep publishing our own experiences for others to draw from and use in their own quest for health on all fronts. Wishing you the BEST health in all respects, Peace, Terry in KC << > In a message dated 7/27/02 8:16:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > http://www.pancreatitis.org.uk/ > > Some excerpts: > " A well balanced diet is probably helpful. You need not restrict fatty food > and in fact an adequate intake of fat may help to prevent weight loss. If you > have access to a dietician, you should ask for advice on how to maintain an > intake of 100 grams of fat and 100 grams of protein each day. If this diet > causes symptoms such as diarrhoea or looseness of stools it is better to > begin or increase the dose of pancreatic enzyme supplements rather than to > cut down the amount you are eating. > This statement concerns me greatly, and I am personally opposed to the idea of advising a patient with pancreatitis that 100 grams of fat and 100 grams of protein are recommended as a daily dietary intake with pancreatitis. That amount of fat and protein would put me in the emergency room within hours! My gastroenterologist recommended NO MORE than 20-25 grams of fat on a daily basis, and no more than 30 grams of protein, as the protein is also hard for a person with CP to digest. I have tested this advice, and attempted at times to eat more than the usual 20 grams of fat, and automatically find myself in pain and severe discomfort within half a day. This also causes havoc with my bowels, even though I do take high dosage enzymes. Just my 2 cents worth. With hope and prayers, (On the road in Virginia) Heidi >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2002 Report Share Posted July 29, 2002 Dear Heidi, I think that this is another case that demonstrates that there really are no " hard and fasts " where CP is concerned - and that what works perfectly well for one individual might be disastrous for another. It's good to have the different input however, so that each person may, as Poncho often suggests, look hard at what they're doing/not doing, and make their decisions based on what their own body is telling them. What keeps me healthy may well put you in the hospital. And what you are able to live on would probably put me in the position of dealing with malnutrition (though I eat far, FAR less than any of my counterparts who weigh considerably less than I do - 188, 5' 9.5 " ). I suspect that which is wrong with each of our respective pancreas is probably slightly - or not so slightly - different. It's a big area with lots and lots of different things that can make it a pretty unhappy organ/string of organs... and we each have to work diligently to find out what makes us sick, healthy, lethargic, energetic, depressed, fulfilled, etc... We just don't know enough yet for there to be ANY cookie-cutter answers... So information from ALL sources is great to see published, so long as we all keep publishing our own experiences for others to draw from and use in their own quest for health on all fronts. Wishing you the BEST health in all respects, Peace, Terry in KC << > In a message dated 7/27/02 8:16:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > http://www.pancreatitis.org.uk/ > > Some excerpts: > " A well balanced diet is probably helpful. You need not restrict fatty food > and in fact an adequate intake of fat may help to prevent weight loss. If you > have access to a dietician, you should ask for advice on how to maintain an > intake of 100 grams of fat and 100 grams of protein each day. If this diet > causes symptoms such as diarrhoea or looseness of stools it is better to > begin or increase the dose of pancreatic enzyme supplements rather than to > cut down the amount you are eating. > This statement concerns me greatly, and I am personally opposed to the idea of advising a patient with pancreatitis that 100 grams of fat and 100 grams of protein are recommended as a daily dietary intake with pancreatitis. That amount of fat and protein would put me in the emergency room within hours! My gastroenterologist recommended NO MORE than 20-25 grams of fat on a daily basis, and no more than 30 grams of protein, as the protein is also hard for a person with CP to digest. I have tested this advice, and attempted at times to eat more than the usual 20 grams of fat, and automatically find myself in pain and severe discomfort within half a day. This also causes havoc with my bowels, even though I do take high dosage enzymes. Just my 2 cents worth. With hope and prayers, (On the road in Virginia) Heidi >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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