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Peggy

Regarding rosacea and the sun. My skin was really badly damaged by the sun

when I was 16 (I'm now 26). I'm convinced that this is responsible for my

flushing - like it damaged the blood vessels or something. But I think that

its this combined with the pre-disposition to get rosacea.

Just a thought - Simon

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Hi Peggy:

If I remember correctly, the antibiotic in the Metro triplets and

Noritate, metronidazole, has been found to reduce the inflammation

so prevalent in our condition. It doesn't have much of an effect on

killing bacteria since that doesn't have much to do with the cause of

rosacea.

I know it must be rough to have the a/c off in your office. However,

rubbing an ice cube across your face might cause further damage to

your blood vessels which may increase the severity of future flares.

If there's anything that's paramount in the control of rosacea, you

have to treat your facial skin very carefully. It might be better to

drink lots of ice water or get an ice pack and hold it against the

back of your neck. Doing one or the other of that has helped me deal

with very warm rooms.

Lastly, about the cause of rosacea, unfortunately, no one knows for

sure. There is a microvascular biologist by the name of Dr. Nase who

has written a comprehensive and exhaustive book all about rosacea. He

is someone who has had rosacea since the age of 21 and has

successfully treated his condition. At any rate, here's a link to

the first message he wrote to the group in which he outlines probable

causes for rosacea.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-support/message/1963

Hope this helps!

Matija

> Hi all,

>

> I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe to treat rosacea,

> yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the CAUSE of rosacea.

> I am particularly confused that they prescribe Metrogel and

Metrolotion

> with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to prescribe antibiotics

taken

> orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last year, anyway)

yet can't

> say that a bacteria causes it or identify a particular bacteria.

Why would

> an antibiotic

> have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria? I am curious if

others

> wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and Metrocream for about

2 months

> each then stopped because nothing seemed to be happening except the

redness

> in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or highlighted. Maybe

I didn't

> have enough patience. I have tried red clover and that seems to

have

> mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems when it's hot in my

> office and the air conditioning is on the blink ... I start getting

redder

> and redder and having itching....finally started rubbing an ice

cube over

> my face. I don't understand some talk I have read about sun damage

as

> a cause because I have always been the type who loathes the sun! :)

>

> Peggy

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Given that the traditional method didn't work for you,

I think you should look into alternative methods. You

might have to experiment but there is a whole slew of

botanicals out there with anti-bacterial and

anti-inflammatory without the vicious side effects.

Also, a disease like this needs to be treated from the

inside and the outside. Therefore, a change in your

diet may help you significantly. Maybe you should see

a nutritionist or an herbalist for more help.

http://forums.about.com/rosacea_support/messages/

--- peg cannon cannon@...> wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe to

> treat rosacea,

> yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the

> CAUSE of rosacea.

> I am particularly confused that they prescribe

> Metrogel and Metrolotion

> with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to

> prescribe antibiotics taken

> orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last

> year, anyway) yet can't

> say that a bacteria causes it or identify a

> particular bacteria. Why would

> an antibiotic

> have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria? I

> am curious if others

> wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and

> Metrocream for about 2 months

> each then stopped because nothing seemed to be

> happening except the redness

> in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or

> highlighted. Maybe I didn't

> have enough patience. I have tried red clover and

> that seems to have

> mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems

> when it's hot in my

> office and the air conditioning is on the blink ...

> I start getting redder

> and redder and having itching....finally started

> rubbing an ice cube over

> my face. I don't understand some talk I have read

> about sun damage as

> a cause because I have always been the type who

> loathes the sun! :)

>

> Peggy

>

>

>

> --

> Please read the list highlights before posting to

> the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html)

>

> See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently

> published book.

>

> To leave the list send an email to

> rosacea-support-unsubscribe

>

>

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Given that the traditional method didn't work for you,

I think you should look into alternative methods. You

might have to experiment but there is a whole slew of

botanicals out there with anti-bacterial and

anti-inflammatory without the vicious side effects.

Also, a disease like this needs to be treated from the

inside and the outside. Therefore, a change in your

diet may help you significantly. Maybe you should see

a nutritionist or an herbalist for more help.

http://forums.about.com/rosacea_support/messages/

--- peg cannon cannon@...> wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe to

> treat rosacea,

> yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the

> CAUSE of rosacea.

> I am particularly confused that they prescribe

> Metrogel and Metrolotion

> with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to

> prescribe antibiotics taken

> orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last

> year, anyway) yet can't

> say that a bacteria causes it or identify a

> particular bacteria. Why would

> an antibiotic

> have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria? I

> am curious if others

> wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and

> Metrocream for about 2 months

> each then stopped because nothing seemed to be

> happening except the redness

> in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or

> highlighted. Maybe I didn't

> have enough patience. I have tried red clover and

> that seems to have

> mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems

> when it's hot in my

> office and the air conditioning is on the blink ...

> I start getting redder

> and redder and having itching....finally started

> rubbing an ice cube over

> my face. I don't understand some talk I have read

> about sun damage as

> a cause because I have always been the type who

> loathes the sun! :)

>

> Peggy

>

>

>

> --

> Please read the list highlights before posting to

> the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html)

>

> See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently

> published book.

>

> To leave the list send an email to

> rosacea-support-unsubscribe

>

>

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Given that the traditional method didn't work for you,

I think you should look into alternative methods. You

might have to experiment but there is a whole slew of

botanicals out there with anti-bacterial and

anti-inflammatory without the vicious side effects.

Also, a disease like this needs to be treated from the

inside and the outside. Therefore, a change in your

diet may help you significantly. Maybe you should see

a nutritionist or an herbalist for more help.

http://forums.about.com/rosacea_support/messages/

--- peg cannon cannon@...> wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe to

> treat rosacea,

> yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the

> CAUSE of rosacea.

> I am particularly confused that they prescribe

> Metrogel and Metrolotion

> with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to

> prescribe antibiotics taken

> orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last

> year, anyway) yet can't

> say that a bacteria causes it or identify a

> particular bacteria. Why would

> an antibiotic

> have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria? I

> am curious if others

> wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and

> Metrocream for about 2 months

> each then stopped because nothing seemed to be

> happening except the redness

> in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or

> highlighted. Maybe I didn't

> have enough patience. I have tried red clover and

> that seems to have

> mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems

> when it's hot in my

> office and the air conditioning is on the blink ...

> I start getting redder

> and redder and having itching....finally started

> rubbing an ice cube over

> my face. I don't understand some talk I have read

> about sun damage as

> a cause because I have always been the type who

> loathes the sun! :)

>

> Peggy

>

>

>

> --

> Please read the list highlights before posting to

> the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html)

>

> See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently

> published book.

>

> To leave the list send an email to

> rosacea-support-unsubscribe

>

>

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Peggy,

Dr. Nase's book (if you don't have it, you should get it) says that the

inflammatory response of the

skin to flushing can set it up for bacterial " invasions " ...so, the

antibacterials can held ward those

off. And, he also said that Metrogel has effects beyond antibacterial -- it is

thought to reduce the

flushing response.

I am paraphrasing from faulty memory...but, I had the same questions in my mind

so I was happy to see

them addressed in his book (to my satisfaction at the time).

Sallie

peg cannon wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe to treat rosacea,

> yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the CAUSE of rosacea.

> I am particularly confused that they prescribe Metrogel and Metrolotion

> with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to prescribe antibiotics taken

> orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last year, anyway) yet can't

> say that a bacteria causes it or identify a particular bacteria. Why would

> an antibiotic

> have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria? I am curious if others

> wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and Metrocream for about 2 months

> each then stopped because nothing seemed to be happening except the redness

> in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or highlighted. Maybe I didn't

> have enough patience. I have tried red clover and that seems to have

> mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems when it's hot in my

> office and the air conditioning is on the blink ... I start getting redder

> and redder and having itching....finally started rubbing an ice cube over

> my face. I don't understand some talk I have read about sun damage as

> a cause because I have always been the type who loathes the sun! :)

>

> Peggy

>

> --

> Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group

(http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html)

>

> See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book.

>

> To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe

>

>

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Hi Everybody:

Dr. Nase's book is really good. Just got it over the

weekend and finding very important information on it.

Barb S.

--- sjmcken@... wrote:

> Peggy,

>

> Dr. Nase's book (if you don't have it, you should

> get it) says that the inflammatory response of the

> skin to flushing can set it up for bacterial

> " invasions " ...so, the antibacterials can held ward

> those

> off. And, he also said that Metrogel has effects

> beyond antibacterial -- it is thought to reduce the

> flushing response.

>

> I am paraphrasing from faulty memory...but, I had

> the same questions in my mind so I was happy to see

> them addressed in his book (to my satisfaction at

> the time).

>

> Sallie

> peg cannon wrote:

>

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe

> to treat rosacea,

> > yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the

> CAUSE of rosacea.

> > I am particularly confused that they prescribe

> Metrogel and Metrolotion

> > with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to

> prescribe antibiotics taken

> > orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last

> year, anyway) yet can't

> > say that a bacteria causes it or identify a

> particular bacteria. Why would

> > an antibiotic

> > have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria?

> I am curious if others

> > wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and

> Metrocream for about 2 months

> > each then stopped because nothing seemed to be

> happening except the redness

> > in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or

> highlighted. Maybe I didn't

> > have enough patience. I have tried red clover and

> that seems to have

> > mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems

> when it's hot in my

> > office and the air conditioning is on the blink

> ... I start getting redder

> > and redder and having itching....finally started

> rubbing an ice cube over

> > my face. I don't understand some talk I have read

> about sun damage as

> > a cause because I have always been the type who

> loathes the sun! :)

> >

> > Peggy

> >

> > --

> > Please read the list highlights before posting to

> the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html)

> >

> > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently

> published book.

> >

> > To leave the list send an email to

> rosacea-support-unsubscribe

> >

> >

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hi, so can i use metrogel even if i don't have any pimples or pastules, just

very sens skin, and will it help the flushing and not aggrevate the

situation?

Re: the cause of rosacea?

> Peggy,

>

> Dr. Nase's book (if you don't have it, you should get it) says that the

inflammatory response of the

> skin to flushing can set it up for bacterial " invasions " ...so, the

antibacterials can held ward those

> off. And, he also said that Metrogel has effects beyond antibacterial --

it is thought to reduce the

> flushing response.

>

> I am paraphrasing from faulty memory...but, I had the same questions in my

mind so I was happy to see

> them addressed in his book (to my satisfaction at the time).

>

> Sallie

> peg cannon wrote:

>

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe to treat rosacea,

> > yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the CAUSE of rosacea.

> > I am particularly confused that they prescribe Metrogel and Metrolotion

> > with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to prescribe antibiotics taken

> > orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last year, anyway) yet

can't

> > say that a bacteria causes it or identify a particular bacteria. Why

would

> > an antibiotic

> > have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria? I am curious if others

> > wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and Metrocream for about 2

months

> > each then stopped because nothing seemed to be happening except the

redness

> > in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or highlighted. Maybe I

didn't

> > have enough patience. I have tried red clover and that seems to have

> > mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems when it's hot in my

> > office and the air conditioning is on the blink ... I start getting

redder

> > and redder and having itching....finally started rubbing an ice cube

over

> > my face. I don't understand some talk I have read about sun damage as

> > a cause because I have always been the type who loathes the sun! :)

> >

> > Peggy

> >

> > --

> > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group

(http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html)

> >

> > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book.

> >

> > To leave the list send an email to

rosacea-support-unsubscribe

> >

> >

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Valarie,

I'm using it...and I don't have the pimples/pustules. As to whether it will

aggravate your situation..if I have learned nothing else on this forum, it is

that responses are very individual. Also, since there are so many potential

triggers and effects from medication, food, weather, etc. etc. it is very

difficult to pin down the actual culprits in any given outbreak or on-going

status.

I believe that Metrogel is helping me. But, that is purely anecdotal and may

only apply to me...or may be a mis-attribution on my part. It may be that I

wasn't triggering flares for other reasons that will remain obscure. There are

no definites here.

I will say that my skin has actually improved (I am a 1-month old rosacean)

since using the special cleansing products (Cetaphil soap and/or Oil of Olay

cleanser) and methods, the Vita-Oil, the Metrogel, and the ZincO. My pores are

smaller and my skin generally looks better. I have been eating poorly (sloth),

so maybe a crumby diet is helping me (just kidding).

It is so hard to know...the possible factors are so numerous and overlapping.

Sallie

Valarie Newbert wrote:

> hi, so can i use metrogel even if i don't have any pimples or pastules, just

> very sens skin, and will it help the flushing and not aggrevate the

> situation?

> Re: the cause of rosacea?

>

> > Peggy,

> >

> > Dr. Nase's book (if you don't have it, you should get it) says that the

> inflammatory response of the

> > skin to flushing can set it up for bacterial " invasions " ...so, the

> antibacterials can held ward those

> > off. And, he also said that Metrogel has effects beyond antibacterial --

> it is thought to reduce the

> > flushing response.

> >

> > I am paraphrasing from faulty memory...but, I had the same questions in my

> mind so I was happy to see

> > them addressed in his book (to my satisfaction at the time).

> >

> > Sallie

> > peg cannon wrote:

> >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe to treat rosacea,

> > > yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the CAUSE of rosacea.

> > > I am particularly confused that they prescribe Metrogel and Metrolotion

> > > with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to prescribe antibiotics taken

> > > orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last year, anyway) yet

> can't

> > > say that a bacteria causes it or identify a particular bacteria. Why

> would

> > > an antibiotic

> > > have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria? I am curious if others

> > > wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and Metrocream for about 2

> months

> > > each then stopped because nothing seemed to be happening except the

> redness

> > > in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or highlighted. Maybe I

> didn't

> > > have enough patience. I have tried red clover and that seems to have

> > > mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems when it's hot in my

> > > office and the air conditioning is on the blink ... I start getting

> redder

> > > and redder and having itching....finally started rubbing an ice cube

> over

> > > my face. I don't understand some talk I have read about sun damage as

> > > a cause because I have always been the type who loathes the sun! :)

> > >

> > > Peggy

> > >

> > > --

> > > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group

> (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html)

> > >

> > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book.

> > >

> > > To leave the list send an email to

> rosacea-support-unsubscribe

> > >

> > >

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Hi l am Garry

l have had rosacea for about 4 years and tryed most things, your e-mails

remind me of how l felt when l first had the problem l didnt feel to good

about myself and looked for reasons why this is happening to me, diet etc, l

have always eaten good food, steamed vegies is my favourite food followed by

plain yogurt and friut. Looking back to the start of the problem,stress and

lack of control over my life, compound my stress level and contributed to

the flushing problem.The best medaction l haved used is Minocycline 50mg

Tabs Take 2 tabs 1 morning and night with food and my face is clear,l have

tryed to cut down to 1 a day,but after a couple of days l am having a brack

out. which taks 2-3 days to clear up. l also find that Scotch,Coffee and

anything with lot of caffeine in it is also bad for flashing and is hard to

control,but when flashing happens wash your face with a good Dero. soap and

warm water, helps me a lot .Thats all for now hope this help someone out

there ............Garry

Re: the cause of rosacea?

> >

> > > Peggy,

> > >

> > > Dr. Nase's book (if you don't have it, you should get it) says that

the

> > inflammatory response of the

> > > skin to flushing can set it up for bacterial " invasions " ...so, the

> > antibacterials can held ward those

> > > off. And, he also said that Metrogel has effects beyond

antibacterial --

> > it is thought to reduce the

> > > flushing response.

> > >

> > > I am paraphrasing from faulty memory...but, I had the same questions

in my

> > mind so I was happy to see

> > > them addressed in his book (to my satisfaction at the time).

> > >

> > > Sallie

> > > peg cannon wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi all,

> > > >

> > > > I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe to treat rosacea,

> > > > yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the CAUSE of rosacea.

> > > > I am particularly confused that they prescribe Metrogel and

Metrolotion

> > > > with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to prescribe antibiotics

taken

> > > > orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last year, anyway) yet

> > can't

> > > > say that a bacteria causes it or identify a particular bacteria. Why

> > would

> > > > an antibiotic

> > > > have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria? I am curious if

others

> > > > wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and Metrocream for about

2

> > months

> > > > each then stopped because nothing seemed to be happening except the

> > redness

> > > > in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or highlighted. Maybe

I

> > didn't

> > > > have enough patience. I have tried red clover and that seems to

have

> > > > mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems when it's hot in my

> > > > office and the air conditioning is on the blink ... I start getting

> > redder

> > > > and redder and having itching....finally started rubbing an ice cube

> > over

> > > > my face. I don't understand some talk I have read about sun damage

as

> > > > a cause because I have always been the type who loathes the sun! :)

> > > >

> > > > Peggy

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group

> > (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html)

> > > >

> > > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book.

> > > >

> > > > To leave the list send an email to

> > rosacea-support-unsubscribe

> > > >

> > > >

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Garry,

You offer a welcome perspective and I appreciate your sharing it. Your

cautionary note that " cause "

is an elusive thing...and may be more to do with genetics or just simply the

unknowable is helpful.

I'm looking forward to the day when I have this figured out enough to let it lie

and just get on with

my life. It takes up a lot of time learning and searching and ruminating about

this and that trying

to find cause and effect.

Thanks again...Sallie

Garry Weir wrote:

> Hi l am Garry

> l have had rosacea for about 4 years and tryed most things, your e-mails

> remind me of how l felt when l first had the problem l didnt feel to good

> about myself and looked for reasons why this is happening to me, diet etc, l

> have always eaten good food, steamed vegies is my favourite food followed by

> plain yogurt and friut. Looking back to the start of the problem,stress and

> lack of control over my life, compound my stress level and contributed to

> the flushing problem.The best medaction l haved used is Minocycline 50mg

> Tabs Take 2 tabs 1 morning and night with food and my face is clear,l have

> tryed to cut down to 1 a day,but after a couple of days l am having a brack

> out. which taks 2-3 days to clear up. l also find that Scotch,Coffee and

> anything with lot of caffeine in it is also bad for flashing and is hard to

> control,but when flashing happens wash your face with a good Dero. soap and

> warm water, helps me a lot .Thats all for now hope this help someone out

> there ............Garry

> Re: the cause of rosacea?

> > >

> > > > Peggy,

> > > >

> > > > Dr. Nase's book (if you don't have it, you should get it) says that

> the

> > > inflammatory response of the

> > > > skin to flushing can set it up for bacterial " invasions " ...so, the

> > > antibacterials can held ward those

> > > > off. And, he also said that Metrogel has effects beyond

> antibacterial --

> > > it is thought to reduce the

> > > > flushing response.

> > > >

> > > > I am paraphrasing from faulty memory...but, I had the same questions

> in my

> > > mind so I was happy to see

> > > > them addressed in his book (to my satisfaction at the time).

> > > >

> > > > Sallie

> > > > peg cannon wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Hi all,

> > > > >

> > > > > I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe to treat rosacea,

> > > > > yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the CAUSE of rosacea.

> > > > > I am particularly confused that they prescribe Metrogel and

> Metrolotion

> > > > > with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to prescribe antibiotics

> taken

> > > > > orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last year, anyway) yet

> > > can't

> > > > > say that a bacteria causes it or identify a particular bacteria. Why

> > > would

> > > > > an antibiotic

> > > > > have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria? I am curious if

> others

> > > > > wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and Metrocream for about

> 2

> > > months

> > > > > each then stopped because nothing seemed to be happening except the

> > > redness

> > > > > in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or highlighted. Maybe

> I

> > > didn't

> > > > > have enough patience. I have tried red clover and that seems to

> have

> > > > > mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems when it's hot in my

> > > > > office and the air conditioning is on the blink ... I start getting

> > > redder

> > > > > and redder and having itching....finally started rubbing an ice cube

> > > over

> > > > > my face. I don't understand some talk I have read about sun damage

> as

> > > > > a cause because I have always been the type who loathes the sun! :)

> > > > >

> > > > > Peggy

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group

> > > (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html)

> > > > >

> > > > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book.

> > > > >

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