Guest guest Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 Peggy Regarding rosacea and the sun. My skin was really badly damaged by the sun when I was 16 (I'm now 26). I'm convinced that this is responsible for my flushing - like it damaged the blood vessels or something. But I think that its this combined with the pre-disposition to get rosacea. Just a thought - Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 Hi Peggy: If I remember correctly, the antibiotic in the Metro triplets and Noritate, metronidazole, has been found to reduce the inflammation so prevalent in our condition. It doesn't have much of an effect on killing bacteria since that doesn't have much to do with the cause of rosacea. I know it must be rough to have the a/c off in your office. However, rubbing an ice cube across your face might cause further damage to your blood vessels which may increase the severity of future flares. If there's anything that's paramount in the control of rosacea, you have to treat your facial skin very carefully. It might be better to drink lots of ice water or get an ice pack and hold it against the back of your neck. Doing one or the other of that has helped me deal with very warm rooms. Lastly, about the cause of rosacea, unfortunately, no one knows for sure. There is a microvascular biologist by the name of Dr. Nase who has written a comprehensive and exhaustive book all about rosacea. He is someone who has had rosacea since the age of 21 and has successfully treated his condition. At any rate, here's a link to the first message he wrote to the group in which he outlines probable causes for rosacea. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-support/message/1963 Hope this helps! Matija > Hi all, > > I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe to treat rosacea, > yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the CAUSE of rosacea. > I am particularly confused that they prescribe Metrogel and Metrolotion > with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to prescribe antibiotics taken > orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last year, anyway) yet can't > say that a bacteria causes it or identify a particular bacteria. Why would > an antibiotic > have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria? I am curious if others > wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and Metrocream for about 2 months > each then stopped because nothing seemed to be happening except the redness > in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or highlighted. Maybe I didn't > have enough patience. I have tried red clover and that seems to have > mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems when it's hot in my > office and the air conditioning is on the blink ... I start getting redder > and redder and having itching....finally started rubbing an ice cube over > my face. I don't understand some talk I have read about sun damage as > a cause because I have always been the type who loathes the sun! > > Peggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 Given that the traditional method didn't work for you, I think you should look into alternative methods. You might have to experiment but there is a whole slew of botanicals out there with anti-bacterial and anti-inflammatory without the vicious side effects. Also, a disease like this needs to be treated from the inside and the outside. Therefore, a change in your diet may help you significantly. Maybe you should see a nutritionist or an herbalist for more help. http://forums.about.com/rosacea_support/messages/ --- peg cannon cannon@...> wrote: > Hi all, > > I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe to > treat rosacea, > yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the > CAUSE of rosacea. > I am particularly confused that they prescribe > Metrogel and Metrolotion > with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to > prescribe antibiotics taken > orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last > year, anyway) yet can't > say that a bacteria causes it or identify a > particular bacteria. Why would > an antibiotic > have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria? I > am curious if others > wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and > Metrocream for about 2 months > each then stopped because nothing seemed to be > happening except the redness > in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or > highlighted. Maybe I didn't > have enough patience. I have tried red clover and > that seems to have > mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems > when it's hot in my > office and the air conditioning is on the blink ... > I start getting redder > and redder and having itching....finally started > rubbing an ice cube over > my face. I don't understand some talk I have read > about sun damage as > a cause because I have always been the type who > loathes the sun! > > Peggy > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html) > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > published book. > > To leave the list send an email to > rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 Given that the traditional method didn't work for you, I think you should look into alternative methods. You might have to experiment but there is a whole slew of botanicals out there with anti-bacterial and anti-inflammatory without the vicious side effects. Also, a disease like this needs to be treated from the inside and the outside. Therefore, a change in your diet may help you significantly. Maybe you should see a nutritionist or an herbalist for more help. http://forums.about.com/rosacea_support/messages/ --- peg cannon cannon@...> wrote: > Hi all, > > I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe to > treat rosacea, > yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the > CAUSE of rosacea. > I am particularly confused that they prescribe > Metrogel and Metrolotion > with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to > prescribe antibiotics taken > orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last > year, anyway) yet can't > say that a bacteria causes it or identify a > particular bacteria. Why would > an antibiotic > have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria? I > am curious if others > wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and > Metrocream for about 2 months > each then stopped because nothing seemed to be > happening except the redness > in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or > highlighted. Maybe I didn't > have enough patience. I have tried red clover and > that seems to have > mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems > when it's hot in my > office and the air conditioning is on the blink ... > I start getting redder > and redder and having itching....finally started > rubbing an ice cube over > my face. I don't understand some talk I have read > about sun damage as > a cause because I have always been the type who > loathes the sun! > > Peggy > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html) > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > published book. > > To leave the list send an email to > rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 Given that the traditional method didn't work for you, I think you should look into alternative methods. You might have to experiment but there is a whole slew of botanicals out there with anti-bacterial and anti-inflammatory without the vicious side effects. Also, a disease like this needs to be treated from the inside and the outside. Therefore, a change in your diet may help you significantly. Maybe you should see a nutritionist or an herbalist for more help. http://forums.about.com/rosacea_support/messages/ --- peg cannon cannon@...> wrote: > Hi all, > > I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe to > treat rosacea, > yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the > CAUSE of rosacea. > I am particularly confused that they prescribe > Metrogel and Metrolotion > with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to > prescribe antibiotics taken > orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last > year, anyway) yet can't > say that a bacteria causes it or identify a > particular bacteria. Why would > an antibiotic > have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria? I > am curious if others > wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and > Metrocream for about 2 months > each then stopped because nothing seemed to be > happening except the redness > in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or > highlighted. Maybe I didn't > have enough patience. I have tried red clover and > that seems to have > mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems > when it's hot in my > office and the air conditioning is on the blink ... > I start getting redder > and redder and having itching....finally started > rubbing an ice cube over > my face. I don't understand some talk I have read > about sun damage as > a cause because I have always been the type who > loathes the sun! > > Peggy > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html) > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > published book. > > To leave the list send an email to > rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2001 Report Share Posted September 10, 2001 Peggy, Dr. Nase's book (if you don't have it, you should get it) says that the inflammatory response of the skin to flushing can set it up for bacterial " invasions " ...so, the antibacterials can held ward those off. And, he also said that Metrogel has effects beyond antibacterial -- it is thought to reduce the flushing response. I am paraphrasing from faulty memory...but, I had the same questions in my mind so I was happy to see them addressed in his book (to my satisfaction at the time). Sallie peg cannon wrote: > Hi all, > > I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe to treat rosacea, > yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the CAUSE of rosacea. > I am particularly confused that they prescribe Metrogel and Metrolotion > with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to prescribe antibiotics taken > orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last year, anyway) yet can't > say that a bacteria causes it or identify a particular bacteria. Why would > an antibiotic > have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria? I am curious if others > wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and Metrocream for about 2 months > each then stopped because nothing seemed to be happening except the redness > in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or highlighted. Maybe I didn't > have enough patience. I have tried red clover and that seems to have > mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems when it's hot in my > office and the air conditioning is on the blink ... I start getting redder > and redder and having itching....finally started rubbing an ice cube over > my face. I don't understand some talk I have read about sun damage as > a cause because I have always been the type who loathes the sun! > > Peggy > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html) > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > > To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2001 Report Share Posted September 10, 2001 Hi Everybody: Dr. Nase's book is really good. Just got it over the weekend and finding very important information on it. Barb S. --- sjmcken@... wrote: > Peggy, > > Dr. Nase's book (if you don't have it, you should > get it) says that the inflammatory response of the > skin to flushing can set it up for bacterial > " invasions " ...so, the antibacterials can held ward > those > off. And, he also said that Metrogel has effects > beyond antibacterial -- it is thought to reduce the > flushing response. > > I am paraphrasing from faulty memory...but, I had > the same questions in my mind so I was happy to see > them addressed in his book (to my satisfaction at > the time). > > Sallie > peg cannon wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe > to treat rosacea, > > yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the > CAUSE of rosacea. > > I am particularly confused that they prescribe > Metrogel and Metrolotion > > with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to > prescribe antibiotics taken > > orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last > year, anyway) yet can't > > say that a bacteria causes it or identify a > particular bacteria. Why would > > an antibiotic > > have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria? > I am curious if others > > wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and > Metrocream for about 2 months > > each then stopped because nothing seemed to be > happening except the redness > > in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or > highlighted. Maybe I didn't > > have enough patience. I have tried red clover and > that seems to have > > mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems > when it's hot in my > > office and the air conditioning is on the blink > ... I start getting redder > > and redder and having itching....finally started > rubbing an ice cube over > > my face. I don't understand some talk I have read > about sun damage as > > a cause because I have always been the type who > loathes the sun! > > > > Peggy > > > > -- > > Please read the list highlights before posting to > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html) > > > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > published book. > > > > To leave the list send an email to > rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2001 Report Share Posted September 14, 2001 hi, so can i use metrogel even if i don't have any pimples or pastules, just very sens skin, and will it help the flushing and not aggrevate the situation? Re: the cause of rosacea? > Peggy, > > Dr. Nase's book (if you don't have it, you should get it) says that the inflammatory response of the > skin to flushing can set it up for bacterial " invasions " ...so, the antibacterials can held ward those > off. And, he also said that Metrogel has effects beyond antibacterial -- it is thought to reduce the > flushing response. > > I am paraphrasing from faulty memory...but, I had the same questions in my mind so I was happy to see > them addressed in his book (to my satisfaction at the time). > > Sallie > peg cannon wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe to treat rosacea, > > yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the CAUSE of rosacea. > > I am particularly confused that they prescribe Metrogel and Metrolotion > > with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to prescribe antibiotics taken > > orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last year, anyway) yet can't > > say that a bacteria causes it or identify a particular bacteria. Why would > > an antibiotic > > have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria? I am curious if others > > wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and Metrocream for about 2 months > > each then stopped because nothing seemed to be happening except the redness > > in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or highlighted. Maybe I didn't > > have enough patience. I have tried red clover and that seems to have > > mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems when it's hot in my > > office and the air conditioning is on the blink ... I start getting redder > > and redder and having itching....finally started rubbing an ice cube over > > my face. I don't understand some talk I have read about sun damage as > > a cause because I have always been the type who loathes the sun! > > > > Peggy > > > > -- > > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html) > > > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > > > > To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2001 Report Share Posted September 14, 2001 Valarie, I'm using it...and I don't have the pimples/pustules. As to whether it will aggravate your situation..if I have learned nothing else on this forum, it is that responses are very individual. Also, since there are so many potential triggers and effects from medication, food, weather, etc. etc. it is very difficult to pin down the actual culprits in any given outbreak or on-going status. I believe that Metrogel is helping me. But, that is purely anecdotal and may only apply to me...or may be a mis-attribution on my part. It may be that I wasn't triggering flares for other reasons that will remain obscure. There are no definites here. I will say that my skin has actually improved (I am a 1-month old rosacean) since using the special cleansing products (Cetaphil soap and/or Oil of Olay cleanser) and methods, the Vita-Oil, the Metrogel, and the ZincO. My pores are smaller and my skin generally looks better. I have been eating poorly (sloth), so maybe a crumby diet is helping me (just kidding). It is so hard to know...the possible factors are so numerous and overlapping. Sallie Valarie Newbert wrote: > hi, so can i use metrogel even if i don't have any pimples or pastules, just > very sens skin, and will it help the flushing and not aggrevate the > situation? > Re: the cause of rosacea? > > > Peggy, > > > > Dr. Nase's book (if you don't have it, you should get it) says that the > inflammatory response of the > > skin to flushing can set it up for bacterial " invasions " ...so, the > antibacterials can held ward those > > off. And, he also said that Metrogel has effects beyond antibacterial -- > it is thought to reduce the > > flushing response. > > > > I am paraphrasing from faulty memory...but, I had the same questions in my > mind so I was happy to see > > them addressed in his book (to my satisfaction at the time). > > > > Sallie > > peg cannon wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe to treat rosacea, > > > yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the CAUSE of rosacea. > > > I am particularly confused that they prescribe Metrogel and Metrolotion > > > with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to prescribe antibiotics taken > > > orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last year, anyway) yet > can't > > > say that a bacteria causes it or identify a particular bacteria. Why > would > > > an antibiotic > > > have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria? I am curious if others > > > wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and Metrocream for about 2 > months > > > each then stopped because nothing seemed to be happening except the > redness > > > in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or highlighted. Maybe I > didn't > > > have enough patience. I have tried red clover and that seems to have > > > mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems when it's hot in my > > > office and the air conditioning is on the blink ... I start getting > redder > > > and redder and having itching....finally started rubbing an ice cube > over > > > my face. I don't understand some talk I have read about sun damage as > > > a cause because I have always been the type who loathes the sun! > > > > > > Peggy > > > > > > -- > > > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group > (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html) > > > > > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > > > > > > To leave the list send an email to > rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2001 Report Share Posted September 14, 2001 Hi l am Garry l have had rosacea for about 4 years and tryed most things, your e-mails remind me of how l felt when l first had the problem l didnt feel to good about myself and looked for reasons why this is happening to me, diet etc, l have always eaten good food, steamed vegies is my favourite food followed by plain yogurt and friut. Looking back to the start of the problem,stress and lack of control over my life, compound my stress level and contributed to the flushing problem.The best medaction l haved used is Minocycline 50mg Tabs Take 2 tabs 1 morning and night with food and my face is clear,l have tryed to cut down to 1 a day,but after a couple of days l am having a brack out. which taks 2-3 days to clear up. l also find that Scotch,Coffee and anything with lot of caffeine in it is also bad for flashing and is hard to control,but when flashing happens wash your face with a good Dero. soap and warm water, helps me a lot .Thats all for now hope this help someone out there ............Garry Re: the cause of rosacea? > > > > > Peggy, > > > > > > Dr. Nase's book (if you don't have it, you should get it) says that the > > inflammatory response of the > > > skin to flushing can set it up for bacterial " invasions " ...so, the > > antibacterials can held ward those > > > off. And, he also said that Metrogel has effects beyond antibacterial -- > > it is thought to reduce the > > > flushing response. > > > > > > I am paraphrasing from faulty memory...but, I had the same questions in my > > mind so I was happy to see > > > them addressed in his book (to my satisfaction at the time). > > > > > > Sallie > > > peg cannon wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe to treat rosacea, > > > > yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the CAUSE of rosacea. > > > > I am particularly confused that they prescribe Metrogel and Metrolotion > > > > with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to prescribe antibiotics taken > > > > orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last year, anyway) yet > > can't > > > > say that a bacteria causes it or identify a particular bacteria. Why > > would > > > > an antibiotic > > > > have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria? I am curious if others > > > > wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and Metrocream for about 2 > > months > > > > each then stopped because nothing seemed to be happening except the > > redness > > > > in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or highlighted. Maybe I > > didn't > > > > have enough patience. I have tried red clover and that seems to have > > > > mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems when it's hot in my > > > > office and the air conditioning is on the blink ... I start getting > > redder > > > > and redder and having itching....finally started rubbing an ice cube > > over > > > > my face. I don't understand some talk I have read about sun damage as > > > > a cause because I have always been the type who loathes the sun! > > > > > > > > Peggy > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group > > (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html) > > > > > > > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > > > > > > > > To leave the list send an email to > > rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 Garry, You offer a welcome perspective and I appreciate your sharing it. Your cautionary note that " cause " is an elusive thing...and may be more to do with genetics or just simply the unknowable is helpful. I'm looking forward to the day when I have this figured out enough to let it lie and just get on with my life. It takes up a lot of time learning and searching and ruminating about this and that trying to find cause and effect. Thanks again...Sallie Garry Weir wrote: > Hi l am Garry > l have had rosacea for about 4 years and tryed most things, your e-mails > remind me of how l felt when l first had the problem l didnt feel to good > about myself and looked for reasons why this is happening to me, diet etc, l > have always eaten good food, steamed vegies is my favourite food followed by > plain yogurt and friut. Looking back to the start of the problem,stress and > lack of control over my life, compound my stress level and contributed to > the flushing problem.The best medaction l haved used is Minocycline 50mg > Tabs Take 2 tabs 1 morning and night with food and my face is clear,l have > tryed to cut down to 1 a day,but after a couple of days l am having a brack > out. which taks 2-3 days to clear up. l also find that Scotch,Coffee and > anything with lot of caffeine in it is also bad for flashing and is hard to > control,but when flashing happens wash your face with a good Dero. soap and > warm water, helps me a lot .Thats all for now hope this help someone out > there ............Garry > Re: the cause of rosacea? > > > > > > > Peggy, > > > > > > > > Dr. Nase's book (if you don't have it, you should get it) says that > the > > > inflammatory response of the > > > > skin to flushing can set it up for bacterial " invasions " ...so, the > > > antibacterials can held ward those > > > > off. And, he also said that Metrogel has effects beyond > antibacterial -- > > > it is thought to reduce the > > > > flushing response. > > > > > > > > I am paraphrasing from faulty memory...but, I had the same questions > in my > > > mind so I was happy to see > > > > them addressed in his book (to my satisfaction at the time). > > > > > > > > Sallie > > > > peg cannon wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > I remain perplexed that dermatologists prescribe to treat rosacea, > > > > > yet, so far as I know, no one seems to know the CAUSE of rosacea. > > > > > I am particularly confused that they prescribe Metrogel and > Metrolotion > > > > > with the antibiotic Flagyl in it or want to prescribe antibiotics > taken > > > > > orally (is it tetracyclines? I turned it down last year, anyway) yet > > > can't > > > > > say that a bacteria causes it or identify a particular bacteria. Why > > > would > > > > > an antibiotic > > > > > have an effect if it's not caused by a bacteria? I am curious if > others > > > > > wonder about this too. I did try Metrogel and Metrocream for about > 2 > > > months > > > > > each then stopped because nothing seemed to be happening except the > > > redness > > > > > in my right cheek area seemed to be increased or highlighted. Maybe > I > > > didn't > > > > > have enough patience. I have tried red clover and that seems to > have > > > > > mellowed it out a bit. I have the most problems when it's hot in my > > > > > office and the air conditioning is on the blink ... I start getting > > > redder > > > > > and redder and having itching....finally started rubbing an ice cube > > > over > > > > > my face. I don't understand some talk I have read about sun damage > as > > > > > a cause because I have always been the type who loathes the sun! > > > > > > > > > > Peggy > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group > > > (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html) > > > > > > > > > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > > > > > > > > > > To leave the list send an email to > > > rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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