Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 , How are you going to digest and absorb any nutrients from eating red meat? He is talking about the facts supported by studies of the general population, NOT those of us that have had the RNY. We don't have access to the " lower " portion of our abdomin, where the natural digestive processess allows for absorbtion of trace minerals and vitamins are absrbed. His advise, though correct in general, does NOT apply to RNY patients. ///Bob 7/13/1979 413lbs. 9/15/1980 190lbs. Current: 164lbs. Iron > I saw the nutrition guru at my surgeon's office last week and asked him > what he though about my iron situation. He told me a very interesting > tidbit - that they don't like to put people on iron supplements unless > their iron is *really* low. The reason is that there was apparently > some studies showing a correlation between high iron and risk for heart > attacks. He considered all of my numbers and told me to hold off for > now. My iron was a little low but my hemoglobin and all the other > relevant numbers were good. He said to try to get a little more red > meat in my diet but to hold off on supplements. Unfortunately, I didn't > ask him where the information came from but I trust this man's expertise > completely due to several in-depth conversations I've had with him. I > just thought I would pass this along because prior to that visit I > thought it would be best to just start supplementing iron and calcium at > least (along with multis) as a preventative measure but having heard > this from him I have reconsidered. I'm realize it's only one source and > may not be the whole story but it's worth throwing out there so those of > you taking iron as a preventative measure can do a little more research > in case it might be dangerous. > > > RNY 6/4/01 > Dr. Wood > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 , How are you going to digest and absorb any nutrients from eating red meat? He is talking about the facts supported by studies of the general population, NOT those of us that have had the RNY. We don't have access to the " lower " portion of our abdomin, where the natural digestive processess allows for absorbtion of trace minerals and vitamins are absrbed. His advise, though correct in general, does NOT apply to RNY patients. ///Bob 7/13/1979 413lbs. 9/15/1980 190lbs. Current: 164lbs. Iron > I saw the nutrition guru at my surgeon's office last week and asked him > what he though about my iron situation. He told me a very interesting > tidbit - that they don't like to put people on iron supplements unless > their iron is *really* low. The reason is that there was apparently > some studies showing a correlation between high iron and risk for heart > attacks. He considered all of my numbers and told me to hold off for > now. My iron was a little low but my hemoglobin and all the other > relevant numbers were good. He said to try to get a little more red > meat in my diet but to hold off on supplements. Unfortunately, I didn't > ask him where the information came from but I trust this man's expertise > completely due to several in-depth conversations I've had with him. I > just thought I would pass this along because prior to that visit I > thought it would be best to just start supplementing iron and calcium at > least (along with multis) as a preventative measure but having heard > this from him I have reconsidered. I'm realize it's only one source and > may not be the whole story but it's worth throwing out there so those of > you taking iron as a preventative measure can do a little more research > in case it might be dangerous. > > > RNY 6/4/01 > Dr. Wood > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 you bring up a good point since too much of any one vitamin or mineral is NOT good. Some can be downright lethal if you overdose on them. Your doctor makes an excellent point. No one should self supplement without discussing it with their doctor. But you do need to monitor your blood test results and chart any patterns. Rasley mailto:drasley@... BTC, Columbus, 10/7/98 Lost over 90% of excess and maintaining Gained a beautiful daughter on 8/9/00 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release Date: 07/10/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 you bring up a good point since too much of any one vitamin or mineral is NOT good. Some can be downright lethal if you overdose on them. Your doctor makes an excellent point. No one should self supplement without discussing it with their doctor. But you do need to monitor your blood test results and chart any patterns. Rasley mailto:drasley@... BTC, Columbus, 10/7/98 Lost over 90% of excess and maintaining Gained a beautiful daughter on 8/9/00 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release Date: 07/10/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 You can eat red meat, spinach, liver, raisins, but it won't change your ability to digest & absorb. That's why the basic 8 are listed on the ASBS web site and probably deficiencies. protein iron calcium A, D, E zinc B12 With iron, sometimes you can repair the damage with a few pills, but as you've seen, not always. Witih bones, well, too late is too late. There's not much we can do once they're gone Thanks, http://www.vitalady.com For info on PayPal, click this link: https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com Iron > I saw the nutrition guru at my surgeon's office last week and asked him > what he though about my iron situation. He told me a very interesting > tidbit - that they don't like to put people on iron supplements unless > their iron is *really* low. The reason is that there was apparently > some studies showing a correlation between high iron and risk for heart > attacks. He considered all of my numbers and told me to hold off for > now. My iron was a little low but my hemoglobin and all the other > relevant numbers were good. He said to try to get a little more red > meat in my diet but to hold off on supplements. Unfortunately, I didn't > ask him where the information came from but I trust this man's expertise > completely due to several in-depth conversations I've had with him. I > just thought I would pass this along because prior to that visit I > thought it would be best to just start supplementing iron and calcium at > least (along with multis) as a preventative measure but having heard > this from him I have reconsidered. I'm realize it's only one source and > may not be the whole story but it's worth throwing out there so those of > you taking iron as a preventative measure can do a little more research > in case it might be dangerous. > > > RNY 6/4/01 > Dr. Wood > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 Re: Iron , How are you going to digest and absorb any nutrients from eating red meat? He is talking about the facts supported by studies of the general population, NOT those of us that have had the RNY. We don't have access to the " lower " portion of our abdomin, where the natural digestive processess allows for absorbtion of trace minerals and vitamins are absrbed. His advise, though correct in general, does NOT apply to RNY patients. ///Bob 7/13/1979 413lbs. 9/15/1980 190lbs. Current: 164lbs. Iron > I saw the nutrition guru at my surgeon's office last week and asked him > what he though about my iron situation. He told me a very interesting > tidbit - that they don't like to put people on iron supplements unless > their iron is *really* low. The reason is that there was apparently > some studies showing a correlation between high iron and risk for heart > attacks. He considered all of my numbers and told me to hold off for > now. My iron was a little low but my hemoglobin and all the other > relevant numbers were good. He said to try to get a little more red > meat in my diet but to hold off on supplements. Unfortunately, I didn't > ask him where the information came from but I trust this man's expertise > completely due to several in-depth conversations I've had with him. I > just thought I would pass this along because prior to that visit I > thought it would be best to just start supplementing iron and calcium at > least (along with multis) as a preventative measure but having heard > this from him I have reconsidered. I'm realize it's only one source and > may not be the whole story but it's worth throwing out there so those of > you taking iron as a preventative measure can do a little more research > in case it might be dangerous. > > > RNY 6/4/01 > Dr. Wood > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 Re: Iron , How are you going to digest and absorb any nutrients from eating red meat? He is talking about the facts supported by studies of the general population, NOT those of us that have had the RNY. We don't have access to the " lower " portion of our abdomin, where the natural digestive processess allows for absorbtion of trace minerals and vitamins are absrbed. His advise, though correct in general, does NOT apply to RNY patients. ///Bob 7/13/1979 413lbs. 9/15/1980 190lbs. Current: 164lbs. Iron > I saw the nutrition guru at my surgeon's office last week and asked him > what he though about my iron situation. He told me a very interesting > tidbit - that they don't like to put people on iron supplements unless > their iron is *really* low. The reason is that there was apparently > some studies showing a correlation between high iron and risk for heart > attacks. He considered all of my numbers and told me to hold off for > now. My iron was a little low but my hemoglobin and all the other > relevant numbers were good. He said to try to get a little more red > meat in my diet but to hold off on supplements. Unfortunately, I didn't > ask him where the information came from but I trust this man's expertise > completely due to several in-depth conversations I've had with him. I > just thought I would pass this along because prior to that visit I > thought it would be best to just start supplementing iron and calcium at > least (along with multis) as a preventative measure but having heard > this from him I have reconsidered. I'm realize it's only one source and > may not be the whole story but it's worth throwing out there so those of > you taking iron as a preventative measure can do a little more research > in case it might be dangerous. > > > RNY 6/4/01 > Dr. Wood > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 RE: Iron you bring up a good point since too much of any one vitamin or mineral is NOT good. Some can be downright lethal if you overdose on them. Your doctor makes an excellent point. No one should self supplement without discussing it with their doctor. But you do need to monitor your blood test results and chart any patterns. Rasley mailto:drasley@... BTC, Columbus, 10/7/98 Lost over 90% of excess and maintaining Gained a beautiful daughter on 8/9/00 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release Date: 07/10/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 RE: Iron you bring up a good point since too much of any one vitamin or mineral is NOT good. Some can be downright lethal if you overdose on them. Your doctor makes an excellent point. No one should self supplement without discussing it with their doctor. But you do need to monitor your blood test results and chart any patterns. Rasley mailto:drasley@... BTC, Columbus, 10/7/98 Lost over 90% of excess and maintaining Gained a beautiful daughter on 8/9/00 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release Date: 07/10/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 Re: Iron You can eat red meat, spinach, liver, raisins, but it won't change your ability to digest & absorb. That's why the basic 8 are listed on the ASBS web site and probably deficiencies. protein iron calcium A, D, E zinc B12 With iron, sometimes you can repair the damage with a few pills, but as you've seen, not always. Witih bones, well, too late is too late. There's not much we can do once they're gone Thanks, http://www.vitalady.com For info on PayPal, click this link: https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com Iron > I saw the nutrition guru at my surgeon's office last week and asked > him what he though about my iron situation. He told me a very > interesting tidbit - that they don't like to put people on iron > supplements unless their iron is *really* low. The reason is that > there was apparently some studies showing a correlation between high > iron and risk for heart attacks. He considered all of my numbers and > told me to hold off for now. My iron was a little low but my > hemoglobin and all the other relevant numbers were good. He said to > try to get a little more red meat in my diet but to hold off on > supplements. Unfortunately, I didn't ask him where the information came from but I trust this man's expertise > completely due to several in-depth conversations I've had with him. I > just thought I would pass this along because prior to that visit I > thought it would be best to just start supplementing iron and calcium > at least (along with multis) as a preventative measure but having > heard this from him I have reconsidered. I'm realize it's only one > source and may not be the whole story but it's worth throwing out > there so those of you taking iron as a preventative measure can do a > little more research in case it might be dangerous. > > > RNY 6/4/01 > Dr. Wood > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 Sorry, Bob, I meant Iron, not protein. RE: Iron Don't we still absorb at least a little protein when we eat red meat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 Sorry, Bob, I meant Iron, not protein. RE: Iron Don't we still absorb at least a little protein when we eat red meat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 , He has knows enough about the RNY post-op lifestyle, and found it important enough to develop a protein supplement, because of our malabsorbtion problem. Aks him about Mirco-K (a perscriptioned potassium supplement), maybe that will help you establish a better balance in your red blood cell count. I also take this, once daily orally...we are each differently, but there are common problems among RNY patients. The difference being how each of our metabolism works. ///Bob Iron > > > > I saw the nutrition guru at my surgeon's office last week > and asked him > > what he though about my iron situation. He told me a very > interesting > > tidbit - that they don't like to put people on iron > supplements unless > > their iron is *really* low. The reason is that there was > apparently > > some studies showing a correlation between high iron and > risk for heart > > attacks. He considered all of my numbers and told me to > hold off for > > now. My iron was a little low but my hemoglobin and all > the other > > relevant numbers were good. He said to try to get a > little more red > > meat in my diet but to hold off on supplements. > Unfortunately, I didn't > > ask him where the information came from but I trust this > man's expertise > > completely due to several in-depth conversations I've had > with him. I > > just thought I would pass this along because prior to that > visit I > > thought it would be best to just start supplementing iron > and calcium at > > least (along with multis) as a preventative measure but > having heard > > this from him I have reconsidered. I'm realize it's only > one source and > > may not be the whole story but it's worth throwing out > there so those of > > you taking iron as a preventative measure can do a little > more research > > in case it might be dangerous. > > > > > > RNY 6/4/01 > > Dr. Wood > > > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 In a message dated 7/16/2002 8:23:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Graduate-OSSG writes: > I saw the nutrition guru at my surgeon's office last week and asked > > him what he though about my iron situation. He told me a very > > interesting tidbit - that they don't like to put people on iron > > supplements unless their iron is *really* low. *************************************** , I believe most surgeons require pre-menopausal women to take iron supps. Don't forget, we lose a lot every month. Of course, some may require it of all patients. in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2002 Report Share Posted August 2, 2002 In a message dated 8/2/02 10:58:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Graduate-OSSG writes: > We finally dinked around with the iron > that worked for us. > -what iron do you take-in what quantities, etc. I recently switched to Niferex, (equivalent thereof-ordered from you!) but I am unsure of how much I should take? My hemoglobin bobs between 7 (pre-transfusions) & 9 (post-transfusions) . Ferritin is 1 (Yikes!!!). Don't want to get constipated if possible--yeah, yeah, I know, I'll get no sympathy from you on that account! LOL Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2002 Report Share Posted September 1, 2002 Thanks Ray, Sue & ... I just got back from The Vitamin Shoppe. I have a bottle of Iron Caps (18 mg from Ferrous Fumerate - chelated), one bottle of Copper Caps (2mg from Copper Gluconate) and more chewable C. Any recommendations on how much/how many per day? I also purchased a jug of my beloved ProBlend 55 Mocha Capp. A surgeon I had consulted with because of a weight gain suggested that I give up supplementing protein. Well I decided when I went off that if I started to feel like shit that I would go back on 2 shakes a day immediately - just had my first one...aaahhhhh. Thanks again for all of your help. Really sucks that the support group leader is having issues... Marjie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2002 Report Share Posted September 1, 2002 Fatigue is a symptom of iron deficiency. If you do have an iron deficiency, you might want to consider switching to an iron supplement in iron amino acid chelate form. This is the form used in prenatal vitamins because it is easier to pass the iron through to the fetus. Two of the bariatric supplement companies use iron amino acid chelate as their form of iron supplementation. Ray Hooks For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com JonnysGirl81@... wrote: > > Hi all! > > Got a message from my PCP today that he needs to speak to me about my latest > blood work. He said it wasn't an emergency but that he wanted to talk with > me about my iron levels. I have been extremely tired the last week or so, > but attributed that to stress. With leaving a job of two years (my own > synagogue), starting and trying to learn a new job, losing my support group > meeting location (I am the leader), trying to run a Pampered Chef > business...stress seems like a reasonable explanation. > > I take two Perfect Iron twice a day w/ 500 mg of chewable C. Anything > different I should be doing - I know he isn't going to tell me that it is > high! LOL! > > Marjie Wassermann > Open RNY 12/9/99 > -155 > TT & Brachioplasty 6/19/01 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2002 Report Share Posted September 1, 2002 Unfortunately, the use of the word " chelated " is not regulated by the FDA. Ferrous Fumerate is not iron in a truly chelate form. To read about iron chelates, go to http://www.albionlabs.com/Human/Newsletter/1994July.html When I was taking a single Walgreen's multivitamin with 18 mg iron in ferrous fumerate, my blood iron always registered low. I would suggest 3 of them a day. Ray Hooks For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com JonnysGirl81@... wrote: > > Thanks Ray, Sue & ... > > I just got back from The Vitamin Shoppe. I have a bottle of Iron Caps (18 mg > from Ferrous Fumerate - chelated), one bottle of Copper Caps (2mg from Copper > Gluconate) and more chewable C. > > Any recommendations on how much/how many per day? > > I also purchased a jug of my beloved ProBlend 55 Mocha Capp. A surgeon I had > consulted with because of a weight gain suggested that I give up > supplementing protein. Well I decided when I went off that if I started to > feel like shit that I would go back on 2 shakes a day immediately - just had > my first one...aaahhhhh. > > Thanks again for all of your help. Really sucks that the support group > leader is having issues... > > Marjie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2002 Report Share Posted September 1, 2002 That's why we're IN support groups. To keep one another accountable. Being " out front " does NOT mean immune from forgetting we have a disease. We'd all like to be normal. Just isn't gonna happen. So, join the rest of us who live very day, booboos & all. Re: Iron > Thanks Ray, Sue & ... > > I just got back from The Vitamin Shoppe. I have a bottle of Iron Caps (18 mg > from Ferrous Fumerate - chelated), one bottle of Copper Caps (2mg from Copper > Gluconate) and more chewable C. > > Any recommendations on how much/how many per day? > > I also purchased a jug of my beloved ProBlend 55 Mocha Capp. A surgeon I had > consulted with because of a weight gain suggested that I give up > supplementing protein. Well I decided when I went off that if I started to > feel like shit that I would go back on 2 shakes a day immediately - just had > my first one...aaahhhhh. > > Thanks again for all of your help. Really sucks that the support group > leader is having issues... > > Marjie > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 What kind of iron do we need?? TIA jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 -thank you. I think i will end up having the iron infusions . I am so tired and need to feel better. thanks for sharing your experiences. anne Re: ironI have taken large doses of iron at many times of my life. My daughter has the mito disease, but I have many symptoms without a diagnosis. My only bad side affect of the iron is severe constipation. My doctors usually put me on stool softeners to help. The only other side affect I can notice, is that I get a much better skin tone(not pale) and a much improved energy level. I really don't mind the bad side affects, because the good outweigh them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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