Re: new to protein/in need of help!

[Guest guest]

> Hello all! I am scheduled to have surgery June19, open rny. I have

been told that I should start protein beforehand......I do not even

know where to start! How much, what should I buy, how do I fix

it????? I have a million questions.................I would love any

guidance! Thanks so much!<<<

Congratulations on your surgery date, Annie! Will you be having a

distal or proximal?

I would suggest that you go to www.vitalady.com and order some

samples. (who owns the site) carries only the proteins that

are good for us. You can order samples from her for $1.99 each so you

don't have to get a big tub and then find out you don't like it. Once

you find one or two you like, you can order a larger amount. Be aware

that just because you like one flavor in a particular brand, you

might not like another flavor in that brand. also carries

all the vitamins and minerals that we need after surgery.

Some of the popular brands/flavors are: ProScore 100 in chocolate

(thickest of the shakes), chocolate Pure Whey Stack (my personal

favorite - mixes very easily when shaken in a bottle which is

important if you work - and tastes great!), ProBlend 55 in Mocha

Cappuccino and Alpine Vanilla, HDT 5+1 in Banana, and the new Nectars

in Apple (I love this one for a nice change), Berry Cherry and

Caribbean Cooler (sort of a pina colada flavor). It is best to mix

only with water (not milk as it adds too much sugar). They can be

flavored with sugar free syrups like the ones that carries.

(I really like the Kaluhi flavor -it's like Kahlua flavored liquor. A

teaspoon of peanut butter in it before you blend it is also good. But

try the samples plain first to try and find one that you like on it's

own.

I used one shake a day pre-op for several months. Then about 3 weeks

before surgery, I upped it to 2 shakes a day. I really believe it

helped and so does my surgeon.

Ask away on your millions of questions. After all, we only have less

than 2 months to answer them and that's allot of questions! LOL

Sheri

In Sunny Florida

[Guest guest]

> Hello all! I am scheduled to have surgery June19, open rny. I have

been told that I should start protein beforehand......I do not even

know where to start! How much, what should I buy, how do I fix

it????? I have a million questions.................I would love any

guidance! Thanks so much!<<<

Congratulations on your surgery date, Annie! Will you be having a

distal or proximal?

I would suggest that you go to www.vitalady.com and order some

samples. (who owns the site) carries only the proteins that

are good for us. You can order samples from her for $1.99 each so you

don't have to get a big tub and then find out you don't like it. Once

you find one or two you like, you can order a larger amount. Be aware

that just because you like one flavor in a particular brand, you

might not like another flavor in that brand. also carries

all the vitamins and minerals that we need after surgery.

Some of the popular brands/flavors are: ProScore 100 in chocolate

(thickest of the shakes), chocolate Pure Whey Stack (my personal

favorite - mixes very easily when shaken in a bottle which is

important if you work - and tastes great!), ProBlend 55 in Mocha

Cappuccino and Alpine Vanilla, HDT 5+1 in Banana, and the new Nectars

in Apple (I love this one for a nice change), Berry Cherry and

Caribbean Cooler (sort of a pina colada flavor). It is best to mix

only with water (not milk as it adds too much sugar). They can be

flavored with sugar free syrups like the ones that carries.

(I really like the Kaluhi flavor -it's like Kahlua flavored liquor. A

teaspoon of peanut butter in it before you blend it is also good. But

try the samples plain first to try and find one that you like on it's

own.

I used one shake a day pre-op for several months. Then about 3 weeks

before surgery, I upped it to 2 shakes a day. I really believe it

helped and so does my surgeon.

Ask away on your millions of questions. After all, we only have less

than 2 months to answer them and that's allot of questions! LOL

Sheri

In Sunny Florida

[Guest guest]

Hi, everyone! I'm a newbie to this group. I was wondering how many

grams of protein

I should be getting in each day if I had a Distal Open RNY (my

surgeon said he

bypassed 9 feet of intestine?). I'm almost 7 mos post-op & my weight

loss has slowed

down big time lately. I've always thought of myself as a " slow loser "

from the very

beginning (& I started on the higher end of the scale), but lately

the scale's been

moving @ a snail's pace. I do pretty good w/ my water (@ least 64 oz

per day) & doing

much better @ staying away from the carbs then I was in the

beginning. Also do you

guys count the protein you intake from food? How about protein bars?

Or do you just

count your protein per day from shakes only? I want to make sure I

get to where I

need to be during my " window of opportunity " to lose the weight. I'd

like to lose @

least -170 to -180 lbs total (could lose -200 lbs even). I used to do

more protein

shakes in the beginning & have been slacking on them lately. Does

drinking the

protein shakes kick in the weight loss again? I currently have a big

jug of the Double

Rich Chocolate 100% Whey Protein by Optimum Nutrition that I got from

GNC (that I

don't really like...too " whey-ey " ) & I have the Chocolate Carb

Solutions shake mix too,

it's not bad. I preferred to mix them w/ Skim Milk but is that a

no-no? Thanks for any

advice you " protein pros " can give me...

in Deltona, FL

Open RNY: 10/09/02

w/ Dr. Liem in West Palm Beach

-85 lbs.

> > Hello all! I am scheduled to have surgery June19, open rny. I

have

> been told that I should start protein beforehand......I do not even

> know where to start! How much, what should I buy, how do I fix

> it????? I have a million questions.................I would love

any

> guidance! Thanks so much!<<<

>

> Congratulations on your surgery date, Annie! Will you be having a

> distal or proximal?

>

> I would suggest that you go to www.vitalady.com and order some

> samples. (who owns the site) carries only the proteins

that

> are good for us. You can order samples from her for $1.99 each so

you

> don't have to get a big tub and then find out you don't like it.

Once

> you find one or two you like, you can order a larger amount. Be

aware

> that just because you like one flavor in a particular brand, you

> might not like another flavor in that brand. also carries

> all the vitamins and minerals that we need after surgery.

>

> Some of the popular brands/flavors are: ProScore 100 in chocolate

> (thickest of the shakes), chocolate Pure Whey Stack (my personal

> favorite - mixes very easily when shaken in a bottle which is

> important if you work - and tastes great!), ProBlend 55 in Mocha

> Cappuccino and Alpine Vanilla, HDT 5+1 in Banana, and the new

Nectars

> in Apple (I love this one for a nice change), Berry Cherry and

> Caribbean Cooler (sort of a pina colada flavor). It is best to mix

> only with water (not milk as it adds too much sugar). They can be

> flavored with sugar free syrups like the ones that

carries.

> (I really like the Kaluhi flavor -it's like Kahlua flavored liquor.

A

> teaspoon of peanut butter in it before you blend it is also good.

But

> try the samples plain first to try and find one that you like on

it's

> own.

>

> I used one shake a day pre-op for several months. Then about 3

weeks

> before surgery, I upped it to 2 shakes a day. I really believe it

> helped and so does my surgeon.

>

> Ask away on your millions of questions. After all, we only have

less

> than 2 months to answer them and that's allot of questions! LOL

>

> Sheri

> In Sunny Florida

[Guest guest]

Hi, everyone! I'm a newbie to this group. I was wondering how many

grams of protein

I should be getting in each day if I had a Distal Open RNY (my

surgeon said he

bypassed 9 feet of intestine?). I'm almost 7 mos post-op & my weight

loss has slowed

down big time lately. I've always thought of myself as a " slow loser "

from the very

beginning (& I started on the higher end of the scale), but lately

the scale's been

moving @ a snail's pace. I do pretty good w/ my water (@ least 64 oz

per day) & doing

much better @ staying away from the carbs then I was in the

beginning. Also do you

guys count the protein you intake from food? How about protein bars?

Or do you just

count your protein per day from shakes only? I want to make sure I

get to where I

need to be during my " window of opportunity " to lose the weight. I'd

like to lose @

least -170 to -180 lbs total (could lose -200 lbs even). I used to do

more protein

shakes in the beginning & have been slacking on them lately. Does

drinking the

protein shakes kick in the weight loss again? I currently have a big

jug of the Double

Rich Chocolate 100% Whey Protein by Optimum Nutrition that I got from

GNC (that I

don't really like...too " whey-ey " ) & I have the Chocolate Carb

Solutions shake mix too,

it's not bad. I preferred to mix them w/ Skim Milk but is that a

no-no? Thanks for any

advice you " protein pros " can give me...

in Deltona, FL

Open RNY: 10/09/02

w/ Dr. Liem in West Palm Beach

-85 lbs.

> > Hello all! I am scheduled to have surgery June19, open rny. I

have

> been told that I should start protein beforehand......I do not even

> know where to start! How much, what should I buy, how do I fix

> it????? I have a million questions.................I would love

any

> guidance! Thanks so much!<<<

>

> Congratulations on your surgery date, Annie! Will you be having a

> distal or proximal?

>

> I would suggest that you go to www.vitalady.com and order some

> samples. (who owns the site) carries only the proteins

that

> are good for us. You can order samples from her for $1.99 each so

you

> don't have to get a big tub and then find out you don't like it.

Once

> you find one or two you like, you can order a larger amount. Be

aware

> that just because you like one flavor in a particular brand, you

> might not like another flavor in that brand. also carries

> all the vitamins and minerals that we need after surgery.

>

> Some of the popular brands/flavors are: ProScore 100 in chocolate

> (thickest of the shakes), chocolate Pure Whey Stack (my personal

> favorite - mixes very easily when shaken in a bottle which is

> important if you work - and tastes great!), ProBlend 55 in Mocha

> Cappuccino and Alpine Vanilla, HDT 5+1 in Banana, and the new

Nectars

> in Apple (I love this one for a nice change), Berry Cherry and

> Caribbean Cooler (sort of a pina colada flavor). It is best to mix

> only with water (not milk as it adds too much sugar). They can be

> flavored with sugar free syrups like the ones that

carries.

> (I really like the Kaluhi flavor -it's like Kahlua flavored liquor.

A

> teaspoon of peanut butter in it before you blend it is also good.

But

> try the samples plain first to try and find one that you like on

it's

> own.

>

> I used one shake a day pre-op for several months. Then about 3

weeks

> before surgery, I upped it to 2 shakes a day. I really believe it

> helped and so does my surgeon.

>

> Ask away on your millions of questions. After all, we only have

less

> than 2 months to answer them and that's allot of questions! LOL

>

> Sheri

> In Sunny Florida

[Guest guest]

I'm distal, and do usually between 6-8, 30 gm servings daily. Lately, I have

been slipping a bit...and skipping one here and there. It REALLY shows. I

find I am wanting what it is I am craving most these days, and that is

oranges. Can you say...SUGAR?? My weight has not increased, but for some

odd reason, my pants feel a little tighter today. So....as of today, I'm

back on them, every 2 hours....my cravings have disappeared, and I know in a

couple of days, my pants will be loose again. I don't know how people do it

that don't do their protein. I'd be going crazy over food cravings...as just

sloughing off a bit has proven to me. I count only the protein in shakes,

since I have no inkling how much is absorbed from food, since we don't have

the duodenum to absorb food protein with. So, if I get some from food...well

and good, but I'm not counting on it.

I think actually, whole milk may have a bit less sugar than skim....but all

has too much. Will definitely slow your weight loss if you are using them in

your shakes. I was doing two a day with 1/2 banana and strawberries.....just

for a treat....and when I cut it out...my weight dropped 4 lbs!! I didn't

need to lose those 4 lbs...but now, I sure don't want to take them back. So,

do the shakes with water, ice and sf flavorings if you really want to stay on

track.

Regards~

Jacque

Distal RNY, 5/30/00

Drs. Fox and Oh

310~126

Beginning BMI 50.0

Current BMI 20.3

Hi, everyone! I'm a newbie to this group. I was wondering how many

grams of protein

I should be getting in each day if I had a Distal Open RNY (my

surgeon said he

bypassed 9 feet of intestine?). I'm almost 7 mos post-op & my weight

loss has slowed

down big time lately. I've always thought of myself as a " slow loser "

from the very

beginning (& I started on the higher end of the scale), but lately

the scale's been

moving @ a snail's pace. I do pretty good w/ my water (@ least 64 oz

per day) & doing

much better @ staying away from the carbs then I was in the

beginning. Also do you

guys count the protein you intake from food? How about protein bars?

Or do you just

count your protein per day from shakes only? I want to make sure I

get to where I

need to be during my " window of opportunity " to lose the weight. I'd

like to lose @

least -170 to -180 lbs total (could lose -200 lbs even). I used to do

more protein

shakes in the beginning & have been slacking on them lately. Does

drinking the

protein shakes kick in the weight loss again? I currently have a big

jug of the Double

Rich Chocolate 100% Whey Protein by Optimum Nutrition that I got from

GNC (that I

don't really like...too " whey-ey " ) & I have the Chocolate Carb

Solutions shake mix too,

it's not bad. I preferred to mix them w/ Skim Milk but is that a

no-no? Thanks for any

advice you " protein pros " can give me...

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for your responses, . You seem very sweet! You

guys actually

have me excited about this whole protein shake thing again. I don't

know why the

surgeons themselves don't know all this, kinda scary...

in Deltona, FL

Distal Open RNY: 10/09/02

w/ Dr. Liem in West Palm Bch

-85 lbs.

> >>>Hi, everyone! <<< *** Hello and Welcome

>

> >>>I was wondering how many grams of protein I should be getting

in each

> day if I had a Distal Open RNY (my surgeon said he

> bypassed 9 feet of intestine?). I'm almost 7 mos post-op & my weight

> loss has slowed down big time lately. <<<<

> **** The old timers taught me -- when I was in my loosing phase

to drink

> at least as many grams per day as I wanted to weigh at the end of

my weight

> loss (which was slow to by comparison of many) Anyway, " I " wanted

to weigh

> 130ish so I worked my way up to 120 grams of protein a day and I

hit 120 lbs

> and decided to stay there (amazing how it worked!!!!) Obviously at

a normal

> now 125ish I am WAY more active than I was at nearly 300 lbs so my

body just

> " needs " more fuel for burning and I prefer to get my fuel from

protein. For

> the last 2 years of " maintaining " my weight / size / eating habits

/ and so

> on I do a minimum of 150 grams a day and usually more. Particularly

in the

> summer months when I am far more active and just need the extra

fuel. Plus

> it helps me to maintain much easier than if I was trying to do it

without

> protein shakes.

> I don't know (in my own reality) if I could do this without

protein

> shakes... I don't think I could so I don't even go there.

>

> >>> I do pretty good w/ my water (@ least 64 oz per day) & doing

> much better @ staying away from the carbs then I was in the

> beginning. <<<<<

> **** Keeping your water up / carbs down / will eventually for

most of us

> become a way of life. It's good to stay on top of the water!!!

>

> >>>Also do you guys count the protein you intake from food? How

about

> protein bars? <<<<

> ***** Nope, not a single gram of food or bar protein is counted

as

> protein... it is counted as bulk filler, healthy choices -- food

protein is

> counted as a great " sticks around in the pouch " such as grilled

chicken

> instead of pasta salad.... protein bars are perfect to throw in my

purse and

> if I do get a hungry feeling when I am not at a place to make a

healthy food

> choice then it is a good choice instead of getting chips or

crackers out of

> a machine or some such thing to snack on.

> As far as counting those grams into my own daily intake of

protein...

> no, have no way of knowing how much if any of those I even digest

much less

> absorb. I don't count them.

>

> >>> Or do you just count your protein per day from shakes only? <<<

> **** Yes, only from pre-digested protein shakes are counted

towards the

> daily protein intake.

>

> >>>Does drinking the protein shakes kick in the weight loss

again? <<<

> *** It works for me if I gain a few extra's I can always go

back to my

> shakes and kick in the weight loss again if needed. However, if I

don't

> slack on my shakes and my food choices I find the shakes totally

> indispensable in maintaining my weight loss. I would honestly say

for myself

> that I do not believe I could have lost to goal or maintained for

this long

> without shakes... I have no idea what would happen if I didn't have

my

> protein shakes... *shudder* at the thought!!!

>

> >>>I preferred to mix them w/ Skim Milk but is that a no-no? <<<

> *** All white food/drink is a no-no for me. No skim milk (check

the

> sugar grams on that stuff!) It may be low fat but usually high in

sugar so

> it works well if I wanted to gain weight.

> Finding a shake that can be mixed up with water and ice is

ideal...

> sometimes it is an acquired taste but if you think about it most

things are.

> Anyone would probably " prefer " a bit of fruit to a bit of green

beans but

> we've acquired a taste for healthy food choices... acquiring a

taste for a

> good shake is much the same.

> I define a good shake as one that is " pre-digested whey blend "

with a

> complete chain of amino acids... ProScore 100 is a good example of

a good

> protein shake but their are many others too.

>

> One of the best options I know of to find the one you love is

ordering

> samples from VitaLady.com and trying each one until you find the

one you

> love and then find an alternate flavor that you like to switch up

to every

> now and then.

>

> let us know how your doing... coming along... it is such a joy when

things

> are made easy for us and for me... the protein shakes really make

things a

> LOT easier.

>

> blessings,

> ~denise

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lots of surgeons do,

There are a few hold-outs who are " against " protein shakes, thinking

we are drinking the sugar shakes with a pinch of protein (Boost,

Ensure, Slimfast), and that is their reasoning for being so anti-

protein shake. Then there are those who think we are drinking

the " ultra weight gainers " shakes with 2000+ calories, LOL. Other

anti-shake docs think we are replacing our meals with shakes and have

stopped eating. They all have their reasoning for being against

shakes, but you know what? Every year, more and more bariatric

surgeons are not only recommending protein shakes, but REQUIRING them

for their patients. So the tide is turning. But just like

everything else in medicine, it takes forever!

Remember the first doc who insisted one must wash their hands

frequently and between every procedure? He was almost laughed out of

medicine. I can't remember his name right now, but he was a

laughingstock and considered a quack for years and years. Now every

doctor on the planet, even in developing countries, knows they must

wash their hands constantly.

It just takes time, and we're winning the war, one surgeon at a time.

Felicia

PS: I have been talking to privately as well, for those of you

interested in what became of our conversation yesterday. She is

getting on the *healthy* track now!!!

> Thanks so much for your responses, . You seem very sweet! You

> guys actually

> have me excited about this whole protein shake thing again. I don't

> know why the

> surgeons themselves don't know all this, kinda scary...

>

> in Deltona, FL

> Distal Open RNY: 10/09/02

> w/ Dr. Liem in West Palm Bch

> -85 lbs.

[Guest guest]

--On Saturday, May 03, 2003 6:15 AM +0000 OSSG-Protein

wrote:

> Hairy perverts use

> tap water and no ice.

Ooooo! Guess that means I'm hairy! LOL! Love my stack straight up! I

actually also use ice sometimes too - depends on what I'm in the mood

for... Not exactly Cousin It hairy... ;o)

Sally

298 (BMI 49)/-117/181

Goal: 150

lap RNY 7/10/02

Dr. Quinlin/Pittsburgh