Protein Question

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In a message dated 9/26/2002 6:30:27 AM Pacific Standard Time,

jalgrogan@... writes:

> My question

> to you guys is should I continue to take in the higher protein amount or

> should I follow the nutritionist and lower my protein intake? Have any

> of you ever been told by your doctor or nutritionist that we actually

> need to decrease our protein intake or is this something new?

What were your protein and albumin levels at your one year labs?

Kate

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In a message dated 9/26/2002 6:30:27 AM Pacific Standard Time,

jalgrogan@... writes:

> My question

> to you guys is should I continue to take in the higher protein amount or

> should I follow the nutritionist and lower my protein intake? Have any

> of you ever been told by your doctor or nutritionist that we actually

> need to decrease our protein intake or is this something new?

What were your protein and albumin levels at your one year labs?

Kate

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Hi Kate:

I don't know what my lab works showed because I was supposed to have

them done yesterday, but my insurance will no longer cover them there

(they are out-of-network), so I have to go to my PCP and have them done

here in the next week. I know that my labs at 9 months were all good

and I have since had surgery (unrelated to my weight loss) and the labs

were all good then, so I'm sure they will turn out fine. Will that be

more of an indicator than anything else? Thanks for you reply.

Hugs,

Jerri in MI

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Hi Kate:

I don't know what my lab works showed because I was supposed to have

them done yesterday, but my insurance will no longer cover them there

(they are out-of-network), so I have to go to my PCP and have them done

here in the next week. I know that my labs at 9 months were all good

and I have since had surgery (unrelated to my weight loss) and the labs

were all good then, so I'm sure they will turn out fine. Will that be

more of an indicator than anything else? Thanks for you reply.

Hugs,

Jerri in MI

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In a message dated 9/26/02 8:30:28 AM Central Daylight Time,

jalgrogan@... writes:

Now, if my surgeon had told me this, I probably might have questioned it, but

since this came from the nutritionist, I am now not sure what to do. My

question to you guys is should I continue to take in the higher protein

amount or should I follow the nutritionist and lower my protein intake?

-----------------------------------

Well, some nutritionists don't seem to be much more knowledgeable than the

docs. And I think it may also depend on whether the nutritionist is part of

the " team " and takes her orders from the docs. In my case, when the

nutritionist was STILL recom- mending Tums and Viactiv (over everything

else), MONTHS after I'd shown her all the research I'd found saying

otherwise, she said she knew calcium citrate was probably better for " us " but

that she had to " go with the program " the docs had approved. And " my " docs

had only approved some kind of protein booster (not shake mix) from just ONE

company, and anyone who ever bo't it ended up throwing it away or giving it

away after just a couple of tries bcuz it was so unpalatable.

Now if you're talking protein intake from FOOD only, and you're getting a

whole lot of protein from food alone, maybe there's a point. (You'd have to

just about be eating nothing BUT protein to get too much, I think, bcuz how

much food can u hold, anyway)? Too much protein from food CAN be hard on your

liver and kidneys. SHAKES, however, are different; the protein is

pre-digested and much easier on those organs.

If you're maintaining your weight loss on your current protein intake, and

it's all coming from FOOD, then maybe you want to try substituting some

protein shakes for some of the food. You get a lot more protein in a shake

for less calories than you do from food anyway. Many docs/nutritionists

recommend a minimum of 60g protein a day as a good target to shoot for. I

think this is way too low. The reason is that we don't know how many of the

60g u consume actually get absorbed, so I'm convinced we need to " do extra

g's " to compensate for that (just like we have to take more vitamins than a

" normal " person for the same reason: malabsorption). Another reason is that

I've come across websites of various bariatric surgeons who are recommending

as much as 180g protein a day! I " do " 120g in shakes every day and then eat

whatever the heck I feel like eating bcuz I know I'm getting in enuf protein

and I don't have to omit fruits and veggies and grains so I can get in the

required amt of protein from food sources.

My personal opinion is that the protein SHAKES keep me healthy and energized

and not hungry, so I don't over-eat. Gaining weight is simply a function of

taking in more calories than you expend. So if u eat too many calories, no

matter whether from protein or veggies or fats or whatever, u will gain. We

all get lazy after awhile and it becomes hard to " stick with it " or we just

simply forget what we're supposed to keep doing for the rest of our lives: I

think that's what's at work with most of the regaining. There are PLENTY of

post-ops out there who do 4-5 shakes or more a day and haven't regained an

ounce. Each case is individual, and u have to experiment and see what works

best for YOU. Forget the docs and the nutritionists and all the well-meaning

advice (yeah, even from busybodies like me) and find out what works for you.

Then do that. For the rest of your life.

Regards,

Carol A

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In a message dated 9/26/02 8:30:28 AM Central Daylight Time,

jalgrogan@... writes:

Now, if my surgeon had told me this, I probably might have questioned it, but

since this came from the nutritionist, I am now not sure what to do. My

question to you guys is should I continue to take in the higher protein

amount or should I follow the nutritionist and lower my protein intake?

-----------------------------------

Well, some nutritionists don't seem to be much more knowledgeable than the

docs. And I think it may also depend on whether the nutritionist is part of

the " team " and takes her orders from the docs. In my case, when the

nutritionist was STILL recom- mending Tums and Viactiv (over everything

else), MONTHS after I'd shown her all the research I'd found saying

otherwise, she said she knew calcium citrate was probably better for " us " but

that she had to " go with the program " the docs had approved. And " my " docs

had only approved some kind of protein booster (not shake mix) from just ONE

company, and anyone who ever bo't it ended up throwing it away or giving it

away after just a couple of tries bcuz it was so unpalatable.

Now if you're talking protein intake from FOOD only, and you're getting a

whole lot of protein from food alone, maybe there's a point. (You'd have to

just about be eating nothing BUT protein to get too much, I think, bcuz how

much food can u hold, anyway)? Too much protein from food CAN be hard on your

liver and kidneys. SHAKES, however, are different; the protein is

pre-digested and much easier on those organs.

If you're maintaining your weight loss on your current protein intake, and

it's all coming from FOOD, then maybe you want to try substituting some

protein shakes for some of the food. You get a lot more protein in a shake

for less calories than you do from food anyway. Many docs/nutritionists

recommend a minimum of 60g protein a day as a good target to shoot for. I

think this is way too low. The reason is that we don't know how many of the

60g u consume actually get absorbed, so I'm convinced we need to " do extra

g's " to compensate for that (just like we have to take more vitamins than a

" normal " person for the same reason: malabsorption). Another reason is that

I've come across websites of various bariatric surgeons who are recommending

as much as 180g protein a day! I " do " 120g in shakes every day and then eat

whatever the heck I feel like eating bcuz I know I'm getting in enuf protein

and I don't have to omit fruits and veggies and grains so I can get in the

required amt of protein from food sources.

My personal opinion is that the protein SHAKES keep me healthy and energized

and not hungry, so I don't over-eat. Gaining weight is simply a function of

taking in more calories than you expend. So if u eat too many calories, no

matter whether from protein or veggies or fats or whatever, u will gain. We

all get lazy after awhile and it becomes hard to " stick with it " or we just

simply forget what we're supposed to keep doing for the rest of our lives: I

think that's what's at work with most of the regaining. There are PLENTY of

post-ops out there who do 4-5 shakes or more a day and haven't regained an

ounce. Each case is individual, and u have to experiment and see what works

best for YOU. Forget the docs and the nutritionists and all the well-meaning

advice (yeah, even from busybodies like me) and find out what works for you.

Then do that. For the rest of your life.

Regards,

Carol A

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I think that should be your guiding factor. If your protein is high, then you

might be able to afford scaling back a bit on the consumption. If it is in the

mid or low normal range, I would not personally scale back.

I am disappointed (but not surprised) that a nutritionist would make that

recommendation without having the 12 month labs in hand. I am wondering what

her reason for wanting to reduce the protein level is: too many calories?

Kate

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I think that should be your guiding factor. If your protein is high, then you

might be able to afford scaling back a bit on the consumption. If it is in the

mid or low normal range, I would not personally scale back.

I am disappointed (but not surprised) that a nutritionist would make that

recommendation without having the 12 month labs in hand. I am wondering what

her reason for wanting to reduce the protein level is: too many calories?

Kate

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Hi Kate;

Yeah, I was sort of surprised about that, too. I think the main

reason why they recommend you lower your protein intake now is that you

no longer need it for healing and for loss muscle mass and that you now

need to incorporate more veggies and fruits into your diet. If you are

eating all that protein, you won't have room for the veggies or fruits.

It does make sense to me, but it's still confusing. But like someone on

my other support group told me, every body is different and you need to

do what works best for you personally. I'll wait to see what my labs

show and then go from there. They also said that I only need to do my

labs annually now, but I am planning on sticking with every 6 months

just to keep an eye on them. Since my insurance company will cover them

through my PCP, I might as well.

Thanks again, Kate. I really appreciate your input.

Hugs,

Jerri in MI

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Hi Kate;

Yeah, I was sort of surprised about that, too. I think the main

reason why they recommend you lower your protein intake now is that you

no longer need it for healing and for loss muscle mass and that you now

need to incorporate more veggies and fruits into your diet. If you are

eating all that protein, you won't have room for the veggies or fruits.

It does make sense to me, but it's still confusing. But like someone on

my other support group told me, every body is different and you need to

do what works best for you personally. I'll wait to see what my labs

show and then go from there. They also said that I only need to do my

labs annually now, but I am planning on sticking with every 6 months

just to keep an eye on them. Since my insurance company will cover them

through my PCP, I might as well.

Thanks again, Kate. I really appreciate your input.

Hugs,

Jerri in MI

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Carol, you answered it in a way that I can understand (yeah, I

am the " no jargon " lady! LOL). I am waiting for the results of my 1

year labs and then will decide how to proceed. Right now I am getting

in about 60-70 grams of protein a day and about 75% of that is from

foods. So far that amount seems to agree with me, but I want to see

what the labs show. The lowering the amount of protein rule seems to be

the way they do it where I had my surgery, so it doesn't sound like it

is tailored to the individual.

I appreciate your e-mail and your input. Thanks for taking the time.

Hugs,

Jerri in MI

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Carol, you answered it in a way that I can understand (yeah, I

am the " no jargon " lady! LOL). I am waiting for the results of my 1

year labs and then will decide how to proceed. Right now I am getting

in about 60-70 grams of protein a day and about 75% of that is from

foods. So far that amount seems to agree with me, but I want to see

what the labs show. The lowering the amount of protein rule seems to be

the way they do it where I had my surgery, so it doesn't sound like it

is tailored to the individual.

I appreciate your e-mail and your input. Thanks for taking the time.

Hugs,

Jerri in MI

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Carol, you answered it in a way that I can understand (yeah, I

am the " no jargon " lady! LOL). I am waiting for the results of my 1

year labs and then will decide how to proceed. Right now I am getting

in about 60-70 grams of protein a day and about 75% of that is from

foods. So far that amount seems to agree with me, but I want to see

what the labs show. The lowering the amount of protein rule seems to be

the way they do it where I had my surgery, so it doesn't sound like it

is tailored to the individual.

I appreciate your e-mail and your input. Thanks for taking the time.

Hugs,

Jerri in MI

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Deborah,

I enjoy the " Good Sense " brand of soynuts. I don't know if they are

identical to the ones you have but here are the stats on them:

Serving Size - 1/3 cup (1oz.)

Calories - 130

Carbohydrates - 10g

Protein - 9g

Fat - 7g

Not too bad a snack according to the stats!

Joe Parks

> Does anyone know how much protein is in 1 oz. of Roasted/Unsalted

Soybeans?

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, I think you'd need to post the ingredients for those on the board

to know - plus the breakdown of nutrients that show up on the box. (And

how do you make it - milk or water?)

Pam

Protein Question

Hello Everyone,

I have a question, but first let me introduce myself. My name is

, I had my surgery 07/25/02 and have had no complications (which

I consider myself very fortunate). My diet plan is protein only until

I reach 75% of my excess weight loss. I'm recommended to have 3

protein meals a day (food) and supplement a protein drink

occassionally. My doctor suggested only 2 protein powders, Isopure

and Met-RX Amp60 (met-rx use only 1/2 the pkg at a time). I have

purchased samples from Vita-Lady so I could have a bigger selection

to choose from and I have no problem with most of them, their OK.

The one that I like the most is Met-RX Amp60 and I haven't seen this

one mentioned on the board. Is this protein, in your valued opinon a

good choice? Just wanted to hear your views on this. I really enjoy

reading this board you all have so much to share and I for one am

very grateful that I found you all. Thanks,

Open RNY-7/25/02

Dr. Marema

SW 294

CW 196

GW 140

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,

My tastes completely changed at about 4-5 months out also. Isn't it strange.

I didn't like whey shakes at all and used soy until then and then I hated the

soy and started liking whey. Go figure!

Angie in SC

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,

My tastes completely changed at about 4-5 months out also. Isn't it strange.

I didn't like whey shakes at all and used soy until then and then I hated the

soy and started liking whey. Go figure!

Angie in SC

[Guest guest]

,

My tastes completely changed at about 4-5 months out also. Isn't it strange.

I didn't like whey shakes at all and used soy until then and then I hated the

soy and started liking whey. Go figure!

Angie in SC

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I have, and am using them both right now. They are both very good

but each has its own speacial flavor. I think the stack tastes like

milk with nestles quick. I am just over 4 months post op myself. I

have never had the experience that you are having with that vanilla.

Weird things do happen to our taste buds and senses after this

surgery though. They are usually temperary. Why don't you just set

the new jug aside for a month. Maybe whatever it is will pass. THere

is no use forcing yourself to drink it if it is making you sick.

Stick to the chocolate for a while. Good luck.

Elvia

> HI all,

>

> I am about 4 1/2 months post op and have been drinking Pro Score100

> chocolate and Universal Ultra whey vanilla every days since about a

> month before my surgery. I loved them both, now all the sudden the

> Universal Ultra Whey Vanilla is making me feel nauseous and it used

> to be my favorite vanilla. Has this happened to anyone else? It's

> driving me nuts because I had ordered another 5 lb can last month

> when I still liked it! So now I am sitting here disappointed that

I

> have a huge 5 lb thing of it and it is making me feel sick! Any

ways

> to work around this? I have tried mixing things with it and it

just

> won't work for me anymore. Even the smell of it is making me

> nauseous.

>

> Now the pro score I am still fine with, no problems at all.

However

> I was wondering if anyone has had the Champion Pure Whey Stack in

> chocolate? How does it compare to Pro Score (anyone that may have

> had both?). I have been thinking about trying it.

>

> Anyways, thanks all...

>

[Guest guest]

I have, and am using them both right now. They are both very good

but each has its own speacial flavor. I think the stack tastes like

milk with nestles quick. I am just over 4 months post op myself. I

have never had the experience that you are having with that vanilla.

Weird things do happen to our taste buds and senses after this

surgery though. They are usually temperary. Why don't you just set

the new jug aside for a month. Maybe whatever it is will pass. THere

is no use forcing yourself to drink it if it is making you sick.

Stick to the chocolate for a while. Good luck.

Elvia

> HI all,

>

> I am about 4 1/2 months post op and have been drinking Pro Score100

> chocolate and Universal Ultra whey vanilla every days since about a

> month before my surgery. I loved them both, now all the sudden the

> Universal Ultra Whey Vanilla is making me feel nauseous and it used

> to be my favorite vanilla. Has this happened to anyone else? It's

> driving me nuts because I had ordered another 5 lb can last month

> when I still liked it! So now I am sitting here disappointed that

I

> have a huge 5 lb thing of it and it is making me feel sick! Any

ways

> to work around this? I have tried mixing things with it and it

just

> won't work for me anymore. Even the smell of it is making me

> nauseous.

>

> Now the pro score I am still fine with, no problems at all.

However

> I was wondering if anyone has had the Champion Pure Whey Stack in

> chocolate? How does it compare to Pro Score (anyone that may have

> had both?). I have been thinking about trying it.

>

> Anyways, thanks all...

>

[Guest guest]

I have, and am using them both right now. They are both very good

but each has its own speacial flavor. I think the stack tastes like

milk with nestles quick. I am just over 4 months post op myself. I

have never had the experience that you are having with that vanilla.

Weird things do happen to our taste buds and senses after this

surgery though. They are usually temperary. Why don't you just set

the new jug aside for a month. Maybe whatever it is will pass. THere

is no use forcing yourself to drink it if it is making you sick.

Stick to the chocolate for a while. Good luck.

Elvia

> HI all,

>

> I am about 4 1/2 months post op and have been drinking Pro Score100

> chocolate and Universal Ultra whey vanilla every days since about a

> month before my surgery. I loved them both, now all the sudden the

> Universal Ultra Whey Vanilla is making me feel nauseous and it used

> to be my favorite vanilla. Has this happened to anyone else? It's

> driving me nuts because I had ordered another 5 lb can last month

> when I still liked it! So now I am sitting here disappointed that

I

> have a huge 5 lb thing of it and it is making me feel sick! Any

ways

> to work around this? I have tried mixing things with it and it

just

> won't work for me anymore. Even the smell of it is making me

> nauseous.

>

> Now the pro score I am still fine with, no problems at all.

However

> I was wondering if anyone has had the Champion Pure Whey Stack in

> chocolate? How does it compare to Pro Score (anyone that may have

> had both?). I have been thinking about trying it.

>

> Anyways, thanks all...

>

[Guest guest]

I was wondering if someone could tell me if I use vanilla protein

powder in a recipe can I still count the protein in my daily protein

count or does cooking with it make it not count? I bought a low carb

cook book and she gives the total protein count for each recipe but

I don't know if she is aware of the cooking factor for the protein

powder. Any help is appreciated.

I love reading all the post on here I have learned so much....and

cooking the bacon in the oven is a super idea. I cooked a pound of

it on Monday and it is almost gone. Just enough left for breakfast

tomorrow. Thanks again.

Dawn Maycroft,40

Wytheville,VA

open rny, 12-19-03

Dr. Jann Holwick

Low Moor, VA

312/238/140

[Guest guest]

Unless you are using soy protein, it will degrade when cooked. That's my

understanding.

chrissie

Surgery: August 31, 2000: Open RNY/GB Removal/hernia repair

Start: 373lbs Height 5'2 " BMI 70

8/16 Abdominoplasty(-8 lbs)/thigh lipectomy

1/20/03 breast reduction(-6lbs)/rhytidectomy of sides/brachioplasty

2/7/03 - 163 BMI 29.8

total loss - 210 lbs

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Protein Question

I was wondering if someone could tell me if I use vanilla protein

powder in a recipe can I still count the protein in my daily protein

count or does cooking with it make it not count? I bought a low carb

cook book and she gives the total protein count for each recipe but

I don't know if she is aware of the cooking factor for the protein

powder. Any help is appreciated.

I love reading all the post on here I have learned so much....and

cooking the bacon in the oven is a super idea. I cooked a pound of

it on Monday and it is almost gone. Just enough left for breakfast

tomorrow. Thanks again.

Dawn Maycroft,40

Wytheville,VA

open rny, 12-19-03

Dr. Jann Holwick

Low Moor, VA

312/238/140