Re: Tentative Date for Cerclage!

[Guest guest]

Chele,

Good luck on your surgery!

I had mine done pre-pregnancy and was 37 when it was done. While I don't have PCOS, I do have other issues and my OB was convinced that I couldn't get pg without assistance. I did a 6 month course of Clomid with no luck, had been trying for a few more months and was at peace (finally) with the idea that we might not be able to have another baby and I got pg naturally (on cd29 to boot!).

I understand the hurdles that you are facing (at least some of them), but know that you're going to do well and have a bouncing baby in your arms in the near future!

Kateri

[Guest guest]

Great!! Good Luck with the surgery. Can't wait to hear how it goes.

> ...is November 20th (my grandpa's birthday, now deceased)...maybe

it's a good sign. I hope so.

>

> My parents will be here on the 18th, and stay with the kids while

we leave very early on the 19th. Pre op that day, then the cerclage

on the 20th. I'll stay the night in the hospital, then if all goes

well, be released the next day (Friday, the 21st). Depending on how

I feel, we'll go home or stay another night in a hotel.

>

> I have to call Dr. Haney's office tomorrow to confirm the date,

now that I know my parents will be here to watch the kids while we

go to Chicago. Then, it's a matter of getting the insurance

approval, of course.

>

> Dr. Haney called me the other day and reassured me that the

morphology is a non issue, because of DH's history of proven

fertility. He went on to address all of my concerns...we talked for

about 20-25 mins. He asked why the RE was even testing DH (Dr.

Haney himself is a RE, not a perinatologist). He laughed when we

talked about DH impregnating me three times in the past (once via

treatment ) and twice when I miscarried)...he said there is no

way that he'd ever recommend IVF/ICSI to us, when we have conceived

three times in the past.

>

> He said that Kruger strict criteria is totally based upon personal

interpretation and is subjective. That just because the sperm

doesn't fall into the " normal " looking category, does NOT mean that

there is anything wrong with it chromosomally (as in what our RE was

telling us)...especially when considering that DH has proven

fertility. Also SA counts can vary among samples but generally,

unless there is a huge change (surgery, radiation, etc) there is no

change in SA parameters. If someone has proven fertility, then

chances are, nothing has changed.

>

> He said if we were 35-36 and coming to him without being able to

conceive for many years, and saw the same results, YES in that case,

he would recommend IVF, and then add ICSI, just because, if they are

going to that extent, why not do it and be sure of fertilization.

For the extra money, it's worth it. But, he said in our case, there

is no way he'd recommend IVF, and would continue on with the

original plans.

>

> 1) to fix the anatomical defect of incompetent cervix via

abdominal cerclage pre pregnancy/pretreatment, then wait a month or

two and go through IUI. IF things don't happen after awhile, then

consider IVF. (I told him we weren't going to do this).

>

> or.

>

> 2) Go through treatment with IUI and conceive, then he'd do the

abdominal cerclage at 9 weeks, post conception.

>

> He said he doesn't think there is any reason why I shouldn't go

through with option number one. The only thing we'd have to deal

with is egg quality due to Advanced Maternal Age (since I'm 36)

and PCO

. I told him my 3 day FSH level was 4,

and he said that I am no where near menopause and have good quality

eggs, so it's really just the PCO and issues we had before. What we

did last time, should work.

>

> He said he didn't want to talk me into anything and it was our

decision...technically, I'd rather do the abd. cerclage before, that

way I wouldn't be worrying about the pregnancy during the surgery.

Plus, it would be better to get it out of the way, so to speak.

When I talked to him I said I don't want it to seem like a gamble,

doing the surgery for nothing...he reminded me of everything he just

told me.

>

> Wish us luck!

> Chele

[Guest guest]

It sounds like you are feeling better about things. Best of luck

with the abby.

Shatana

> ...is November 20th (my grandpa's birthday, now deceased)...maybe

it's a good sign. I hope so.

>

> My parents will be here on the 18th, and stay with the kids while

we leave very early on the 19th. Pre op that day, then the cerclage

on the 20th. I'll stay the night in the hospital, then if all goes

well, be released the next day (Friday, the 21st). Depending on how

I feel, we'll go home or stay another night in a hotel.

>

> I have to call Dr. Haney's office tomorrow to confirm the date, now

that I know my parents will be here to watch the kids while we go to

Chicago. Then, it's a matter of getting the insurance approval, of

course.

>

> Dr. Haney called me the other day and reassured me that the

morphology is a non issue, because of DH's history of proven

fertility. He went on to address all of my concerns...we talked for

about 20-25 mins. He asked why the RE was even testing DH (Dr. Haney

himself is a RE, not a perinatologist). He laughed when we talked

about DH impregnating me three times in the past (once via treatment

) and twice when I miscarried)...he said there is no way that

he'd ever recommend IVF/ICSI to us, when we have conceived three

times in the past.

>

> He said that Kruger strict criteria is totally based upon personal

interpretation and is subjective. That just because the sperm

doesn't fall into the " normal " looking category, does NOT mean that

there is anything wrong with it chromosomally (as in what our RE was

telling us)...especially when considering that DH has proven

fertility. Also SA counts can vary among samples but generally,

unless there is a huge change (surgery, radiation, etc) there is no

change in SA parameters. If someone has proven fertility, then

chances are, nothing has changed.

>

> He said if we were 35-36 and coming to him without being able to

conceive for many years, and saw the same results, YES in that case,

he would recommend IVF, and then add ICSI, just because, if they are

going to that extent, why not do it and be sure of fertilization.

For the extra money, it's worth it. But, he said in our case, there

is no way he'd recommend IVF, and would continue on with the original

plans.

>

> 1) to fix the anatomical defect of incompetent cervix via

abdominal cerclage pre pregnancy/pretreatment, then wait a month or

two and go through IUI. IF things don't happen after awhile, then

consider IVF. (I told him we weren't going to do this).

>

> or.

>

> 2) Go through treatment with IUI and conceive, then he'd do the

abdominal cerclage at 9 weeks, post conception.

>

> He said he doesn't think there is any reason why I shouldn't go

through with option number one. The only thing we'd have to deal

with is egg quality due to Advanced Maternal Age (since I'm 36)

and PCO

. I told him my 3 day FSH level was 4,

and he said that I am no where near menopause and have good quality

eggs, so it's really just the PCO and issues we had before. What we

did last time, should work.

>

> He said he didn't want to talk me into anything and it was our

decision...technically, I'd rather do the abd. cerclage before, that

way I wouldn't be worrying about the pregnancy during the surgery.

Plus, it would be better to get it out of the way, so to speak. When

I talked to him I said I don't want it to seem like a gamble, doing

the surgery for nothing...he reminded me of everything he just told

me.

>

> Wish us luck!

> Chele

[Guest guest]

Hi Chele,

It sounds like you have your plans ready. Great, good luck!! The date

must be a good sign: your grandfather will watch over you.

love,

Ghislaine

> ...is November 20th (my grandpa's birthday, now deceased)...maybe

it's a good sign. I hope so.

>

> My parents will be here on the 18th, and stay with the kids while

we leave very early on the 19th. Pre op that day, then the cerclage

on the 20th. I'll stay the night in the hospital, then if all goes

well, be released the next day (Friday, the 21st). Depending on how

I feel, we'll go home or stay another night in a hotel.

>

> I have to call Dr. Haney's office tomorrow to confirm the date, now

that I know my parents will be here to watch the kids while we go to

Chicago. Then, it's a matter of getting the insurance approval, of

course.

>

> Dr. Haney called me the other day and reassured me that the

morphology is a non issue, because of DH's history of proven

fertility. He went on to address all of my concerns...we talked for

about 20-25 mins. He asked why the RE was even testing DH (Dr. Haney

himself is a RE, not a perinatologist). He laughed when we talked

about DH impregnating me three times in the past (once via treatment

) and twice when I miscarried)...he said there is no way that

he'd ever recommend IVF/ICSI to us, when we have conceived three

times in the past.

>

> He said that Kruger strict criteria is totally based upon personal

interpretation and is subjective. That just because the sperm

doesn't fall into the " normal " looking category, does NOT mean that

there is anything wrong with it chromosomally (as in what our RE was

telling us)...especially when considering that DH has proven

fertility. Also SA counts can vary among samples but generally,

unless there is a huge change (surgery, radiation, etc) there is no

change in SA parameters. If someone has proven fertility, then

chances are, nothing has changed.

>

> He said if we were 35-36 and coming to him without being able to

conceive for many years, and saw the same results, YES in that case,

he would recommend IVF, and then add ICSI, just because, if they are

going to that extent, why not do it and be sure of fertilization.

For the extra money, it's worth it. But, he said in our case, there

is no way he'd recommend IVF, and would continue on with the original

plans.

>

> 1) to fix the anatomical defect of incompetent cervix via

abdominal cerclage pre pregnancy/pretreatment, then wait a month or

two and go through IUI. IF things don't happen after awhile, then

consider IVF. (I told him we weren't going to do this).

>

> or.

>

> 2) Go through treatment with IUI and conceive, then he'd do the

abdominal cerclage at 9 weeks, post conception.

>

> He said he doesn't think there is any reason why I shouldn't go

through with option number one. The only thing we'd have to deal

with is egg quality due to Advanced Maternal Age (since I'm 36)

and PCO

. I told him my 3 day FSH level was 4,

and he said that I am no where near menopause and have good quality

eggs, so it's really just the PCO and issues we had before. What we

did last time, should work.

>

> He said he didn't want to talk me into anything and it was our

decision...technically, I'd rather do the abd. cerclage before, that

way I wouldn't be worrying about the pregnancy during the surgery.

Plus, it would be better to get it out of the way, so to speak. When

I talked to him I said I don't want it to seem like a gamble, doing

the surgery for nothing...he reminded me of everything he just told

me.

>

> Wish us luck!

> Chele

[Guest guest]

Chele, this is wonderful news. I am so happy for you. I agree with this

doctor. By the way, I am also 36. You have a great FSH level. 2 years ago

mine was 13. YUCK!

Love, P.

" Brayden Austin " 06/02/03

}}Angel {{ (14wks) 6/12/00

}}Angel Trustin{{ (18wks) 7/17/02

>

>Reply-To: Abbyloopers

>To: abbyloopers >

>Subject: Tentative Date for Cerclage!

>Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:37:36 -0500

>

>...is November 20th (my grandpa's birthday, now deceased)...maybe it's a

>good sign. I hope so.

>

>My parents will be here on the 18th, and stay with the kids while we leave

>very early on the 19th. Pre op that day, then the cerclage on the 20th.

>I'll stay the night in the hospital, then if all goes well, be released the

>next day (Friday, the 21st). Depending on how I feel, we'll go home or

>stay another night in a hotel.

>

>I have to call Dr. Haney's office tomorrow to confirm the date, now that I

>know my parents will be here to watch the kids while we go to Chicago.

>Then, it's a matter of getting the insurance approval, of course.

>

>Dr. Haney called me the other day and reassured me that the morphology is a

>non issue, because of DH's history of proven fertility. He went on to

>address all of my concerns...we talked for about 20-25 mins. He asked why

>the RE was even testing DH (Dr. Haney himself is a RE, not a

>perinatologist). He laughed when we talked about DH impregnating me three

>times in the past (once via treatment ) and twice when I

>miscarried)...he said there is no way that he'd ever recommend IVF/ICSI to

>us, when we have conceived three times in the past.

>

>He said that Kruger strict criteria is totally based upon personal

>interpretation and is subjective. That just because the sperm doesn't fall

>into the " normal " looking category, does NOT mean that there is anything

>wrong with it chromosomally (as in what our RE was telling us)...especially

>when considering that DH has proven fertility. Also SA counts can vary

>among samples but generally, unless there is a huge change (surgery,

>radiation, etc) there is no change in SA parameters. If someone has proven

>fertility, then chances are, nothing has changed.

>

>He said if we were 35-36 and coming to him without being able to conceive

>for many years, and saw the same results, YES in that case, he would

>recommend IVF, and then add ICSI, just because, if they are going to that

>extent, why not do it and be sure of fertilization. For the extra money,

>it's worth it. But, he said in our case, there is no way he'd recommend

>IVF, and would continue on with the original plans.

>

>1) to fix the anatomical defect of incompetent cervix via abdominal

>cerclage pre pregnancy/pretreatment, then wait a month or two and go

>through IUI. IF things don't happen after awhile, then consider IVF. (I

>told him we weren't going to do this).

>

>or.

>

>2) Go through treatment with IUI and conceive, then he'd do the abdominal

>cerclage at 9 weeks, post conception.

>

>He said he doesn't think there is any reason why I shouldn't go through

>with option number one. The only thing we'd have to deal with is egg

>quality due to Advanced Maternal Age (since I'm 36)

ovulation problem due to that> and PCO

of itself>. I told him my 3 day FSH level was 4, and he said that I am no

>where near menopause and have good quality eggs, so it's really just the

>PCO and issues we had before. What we did last time, should work.

>

>He said he didn't want to talk me into anything and it was our

>decision...technically, I'd rather do the abd. cerclage before, that way I

>wouldn't be worrying about the pregnancy during the surgery. Plus, it

>would be better to get it out of the way, so to speak. When I talked to

>him I said I don't want it to seem like a gamble, doing the surgery for

>nothing...he reminded me of everything he just told me.

>

>Wish us luck!

>Chele

>

>

>

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Chele,

This is great news. You

are going to start your journey very soon. That is wonderful news. Are you

nervous?

Everything is going to

work out. You have been so supportive to me and the others and soon we will be

helping

you. I cannot wait. This is

a good sign. I hope this appt. stays the same. Their should be no reason to

change

it? Right. I am so happy

for you and your family to have this chance. You will be in my thoughts and

prayers

during the 20th

and 21st.

God bless,

Taryn

Tentative

Date for Cerclage!

....is November 20th (my grandpa's

birthday, now deceased)...maybe it's a good sign. I hope so.

My parents will be here on the 18th,

and stay with the kids while we leave very early on the 19th. Pre op that

day, then the cerclage on the 20th. I'll stay the night in the hospital,

then if all goes well, be released the next day (Friday, the 21st).

Depending on how I feel, we'll go home or stay another night in a hotel.

I have to call Dr. Haney's office

tomorrow to confirm the date, now that I know my parents will be here to watch

the kids while we go to Chicago. Then, it's a matter of getting the

insurance approval, of course.

Dr. Haney called me the

other day and reassured me that the morphology is a non issue, because of

DH's history of proven fertility. He went on to address all of my

concerns...we talked for about 20-25 mins. He asked why the RE was even

testing DH (Dr. Haney himself is a RE, not a perinatologist). He laughed

when we talked about DH impregnating me three times in the past (once via

treatment <Em>) and twice when I miscarried)...he said there is no way

that he'd ever recommend IVF/ICSI to us, when we have conceived three times in

the past.

He said that Kruger strict criteria

is totally based upon personal interpretation and is subjective. That

just because the sperm doesn't fall into the " normal " looking

category, does NOT mean that there is anything wrong with it chromosomally (as

in what our RE was telling us)...especially when considering that DH has proven

fertility. Also SA counts can vary among samples but generally, unless

there is a huge change (surgery, radiation, etc) there is no change in SA

parameters. If someone has proven fertility, then chances are, nothing

has changed.

He said if we were 35-36 and coming

to him without being able to conceive for many years, and saw the same results,

YES in that case, he would recommend IVF, and then add ICSI, just because, if

they are going to that extent, why not do it and be sure of

fertilization. For the extra money, it's worth it. But, he said in

our case, there is no way he'd recommend IVF, and would continue on with the

original plans.

1) to fix the anatomical

defect of incompetent cervix via abdominal cerclage pre pregnancy/pretreatment,

then wait a month or two and go through IUI. IF things don't happen after

awhile, then consider IVF. (I told him we weren't going to do

this).

or.

2) Go through treatment with

IUI and conceive, then he'd do the abdominal cerclage at 9 weeks, post

conception.

He said he doesn't think there is

any reason why I shouldn't go through with option number one. The only

thing we'd have to deal with is egg quality due to Advanced Maternal Age (since

I'm 36) <and possibly an ovulation problem due to that> and PCO <which

we know is a monster in and of itself>. I told him my 3 day FSH level

was 4, and he said that I am no where near menopause and have good quality

eggs, so it's really just the PCO and issues we had before. What we did

last time, should work.

He said he didn't want to talk me

into anything and it was our decision...technically, I'd rather do the abd.

cerclage before, that way I wouldn't be worrying about the pregnancy during the

surgery. Plus, it would be better to get it out of the way, so to speak.

When I talked to him I said I don't want it to seem like a gamble, doing the

surgery for nothing...he reminded me of everything he just told me.

Wish us luck!

Chele

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Good luck Chele. I am sure everything will go exactly the way you

want. I have not had the ab done but if I ever get pregnant that is

the only way for me. I truly think it is the best way to go. I will

pray for you.

Mandy

> ...is November 20th (my grandpa's birthday, now deceased)...maybe

it's a good sign. I hope so.

>

> My parents will be here on the 18th, and stay with the kids while

we leave very early on the 19th. Pre op that day, then the cerclage

on the 20th. I'll stay the night in the hospital, then if all goes

well, be released the next day (Friday, the 21st). Depending on how

I feel, we'll go home or stay another night in a hotel.

>

> I have to call Dr. Haney's office tomorrow to confirm the date, now

that I know my parents will be here to watch the kids while we go to

Chicago. Then, it's a matter of getting the insurance approval, of

course.

>

> Dr. Haney called me the other day and reassured me that the

morphology is a non issue, because of DH's history of proven

fertility. He went on to address all of my concerns...we talked for

about 20-25 mins. He asked why the RE was even testing DH (Dr. Haney

himself is a RE, not a perinatologist). He laughed when we talked

about DH impregnating me three times in the past (once via treatment

) and twice when I miscarried)...he said there is no way that

he'd ever recommend IVF/ICSI to us, when we have conceived three

times in the past.

>

> He said that Kruger strict criteria is totally based upon personal

interpretation and is subjective. That just because the sperm

doesn't fall into the " normal " looking category, does NOT mean that

there is anything wrong with it chromosomally (as in what our RE was

telling us)...especially when considering that DH has proven

fertility. Also SA counts can vary among samples but generally,

unless there is a huge change (surgery, radiation, etc) there is no

change in SA parameters. If someone has proven fertility, then

chances are, nothing has changed.

>

> He said if we were 35-36 and coming to him without being able to

conceive for many years, and saw the same results, YES in that case,

he would recommend IVF, and then add ICSI, just because, if they are

going to that extent, why not do it and be sure of fertilization.

For the extra money, it's worth it. But, he said in our case, there

is no way he'd recommend IVF, and would continue on with the original

plans.

>

> 1) to fix the anatomical defect of incompetent cervix via

abdominal cerclage pre pregnancy/pretreatment, then wait a month or

two and go through IUI. IF things don't happen after awhile, then

consider IVF. (I told him we weren't going to do this).

>

> or.

>

> 2) Go through treatment with IUI and conceive, then he'd do the

abdominal cerclage at 9 weeks, post conception.

>

> He said he doesn't think there is any reason why I shouldn't go

through with option number one. The only thing we'd have to deal

with is egg quality due to Advanced Maternal Age (since I'm 36)

and PCO

. I told him my 3 day FSH level was 4,

and he said that I am no where near menopause and have good quality

eggs, so it's really just the PCO and issues we had before. What we

did last time, should work.

>

> He said he didn't want to talk me into anything and it was our

decision...technically, I'd rather do the abd. cerclage before, that

way I wouldn't be worrying about the pregnancy during the surgery.

Plus, it would be better to get it out of the way, so to speak. When

I talked to him I said I don't want it to seem like a gamble, doing

the surgery for nothing...he reminded me of everything he just told

me.

>

> Wish us luck!

> Chele

[Guest guest]

That sounds like a good plan Chele!!!! I'm glad to hear you are choosing to go w/ the abdominal cerclage. FSH of 4 is awesome!

Best of luck w/ the surgery! Keep us posted!

HUGS!

[Guest guest]

Oh Chele that is fantastic news!!!! I'm so happy for you. Wow that FSH level

is fantastic!!!! Last time I had mine taken it was 8.6 (about a year ago).

Have no idea what it might be now LOL.

So glad to hear that things are on track.

Shona

Chele wrote:

...is November 20th (my grandpa's birthday,

now deceased)...maybe it's a good sign. I hope so.

My parents will be here on the 18th, and

stay with the kids while we leave very early on the 19th. Pre op that day,

then the cerclage on the 20th. I'll stay the night in the hospital, then

if all goes well, be released the next day (Friday, the 21st). Depending

on how I feel, we'll go home or stay another night in a hotel.

I have to call Dr. Haney's office tomorrow

to confirm the date, now that I know my parents will be here to watch the

kids while we go to Chicago. Then, it's a matter of getting the insurance

approval, of course.

Dr. Haney called me the other day and

reassured me that the morphology is a non issue, because of DH's history

of proven fertility. He went on to address all of my concerns...we talked

for about 20-25 mins. He asked why the RE was even testing DH (Dr. Haney

himself is a RE, not a perinatologist). He laughed when we talked about

DH impregnating me three times in the past (once via treatment <Em>)

and twice when I miscarried)...he said there is no way that he'd ever recommend

IVF/ICSI to us, when we have conceived three times in the past.

He said that Kruger strict criteria is

totally based upon personal interpretation and is subjective. That just

because the sperm doesn't fall into the "normal" looking category, does

NOT mean that there is anything wrong with it chromosomally (as in what

our RE was telling us)...especially when considering that DH has proven

fertility. Also SA counts can vary among samples but generally, unless

there is a huge change (surgery, radiation, etc) there is no change in SA

parameters. If someone has proven fertility, then chances are, nothing

has changed.

He said if we were 35-36 and coming to

him without being able to conceive for many years, and saw the same results,

YES in that case, he would recommend IVF, and then add ICSI, just because,

if they are going to that extent, why not do it and be sure of fertilization.

For the extra money, it's worth it. But, he said in our case, there is

no way he'd recommend IVF, and would continue on with the original plans.

1) to fix the anatomical defect of incompetent

cervix via abdominal cerclage pre pregnancy/pretreatment, then wait a month

or two and go through IUI. IF things don't happen after awhile, then consider

IVF. (I told him we weren't going to do this).

or.

2) Go through treatment with IUI and

conceive, then he'd do the abdominal cerclage at 9 weeks, post conception.

He said he doesn't think there is any

reason why I shouldn't go through with option number one. The only thing

we'd have to deal with is egg quality due to Advanced Maternal Age (since

I'm 36) <and possibly an ovulation problem due to that> and PCO <which

we know is a monster in and of itself>. I told him my 3 day FSH level

was 4, and he said that I am no where near menopause and have good quality

eggs, so it's really just the PCO and issues we had before. What we did

last time, should work.

He said he didn't want to talk me into

anything and it was our decision...technically, I'd rather do the abd. cerclage

before, that way I wouldn't be worrying about the pregnancy during the surgery.

Plus, it would be better to get it out of the way, so to speak. When I

talked to him I said I don't want it to seem like a gamble, doing the surgery

for nothing...he reminded me of everything he just told me.

Wish us luck!

Chele