RE: Pouch VS. Head Boxing Match...

[Guest guest]

- I read your post with interest and frustration for you, for me,

and for all of those out there fighting the same demons. I seem to

battle daily with doing the right thing and head hunger. And I

continually wonder how some appear to take a laissez-faire attitude, eat

whatever, don't do protein, got to goal, and don't gain weight!! I just

do not understand it. Of little comfort is the knowledge that I am not

alone in the battle. I just can't believe our Higher Power (God for me)

has brought us this far to abandon us. Having said that, there must be

something we are supposed to be learning from all of this - but I for

one am not " getting the message " . I guess I need a celestial translator.

Hang in there Sweetie, you are very, very far from alone!!!

Love to all my soul sisters, especially you today!

Amber/FL

Pouch VS. Head Boxing Match...

Only on PPV... brought to you free... YUP, I could scream right

about now. What's up with my signals... why can't I " listen and trust "

my body for the (going on day 3 now) -- My pouch is full... stuffed with

protein shakes (sorry to the weak at heart) it is the only trusted

" option " right now --

For whatever reason (or lack of reason) my body has been " starving "

the last few days and my pouch is so full that even the shakes begin to

come back up as I pack it down trying to get that " I'm full " signal back

up to my brain which is totally NOT getting the signal... quiet the

opposite, my brain keeps telling me I'm hungry.

I know this to be a lie because what I'm " hungry " for is a doughnut,

a croissant, maybe a couple of those leftover valentine candies and toss

in some chips, dip and a sandwich slathered in all sorts of garbage food

-- That's how I know it is a lie BUT it will not stop!!!

I get my pouch so full that literally, I'm up-burping slightly some

of my shake and my head is still screaming to go eat bad bad foods...

I'm not craving on the good stuff (like I do sometimes do if I'm short a

vitamin or

mineral...) Nope... it's the nasty food, candy, crackers, chips,

cakes... and then of course comes the " fast food drive by " incidents

when my head goes flying out the window and wraps itself totally around

the nearest Mc's and tells me that I can eat a double meat double

cheese and must have greasy fries... that one tends to flow into my

dreams at night....

What's up with this???? I haven't a clue. Truly. My brain is NOT

getting the full feeling and my constant urge is to feed... I can't

trust myself to mix up a salad without sour cream, dowsed in enough full

fat creamy Cesar salad dressing to float a boat on and of course the

whole day and next day of sitting on or near the throne for putting

nasty stuff in my body -- nasty in / nasty out / and none of it does a

dang thing to satisfy this starving feeling.

So, I sit on my 3rd shake this morning... waiting for the urge to

pass to go get those chocolate filled fresh doughnuts by the dozen

because anything less than 8 is NOT enough...

Oh please, someone make this STOP. This is a bloody match, hope

y'all get your moneys worth... no clue what brought this on and no clue

how to stop it -- I haven't given in to it but if I get rabid and do I'm

sure to throw it up because I'm keeping the ol' pouch packed with

protein till this passes.

So... while it is a good thing to learn to listen to our bodies and

learn to trust the signals it sends to us under normal circumstances....

this e-mail is to say... my signals are crossed and the brain is not

getting the messages and something's gone off -- it can happen... and at

these times, the times when my brain would eat the tar off the road that

I also learn to listen to common sense and fall back on habits formed a

long time ago... learn how to keep my pouch totally full even if my

brain doesn't " get it " -- These times I am so grateful to all my Mom's,

, Felicia, Ann, Sue and sue, EJ, Kjaz (some who I know are not

here but are " here " in my head still) and many others of you who taught

me how to not totally screw myself up when the bad times hit.

love ya all... we're never " out of the woods " I guess... this too shall

pass... all that stuff but none of it makes me any less compulsively

hungry at this moment *sigh* ~denise

[Guest guest]

,

I feel your pain. I am 7 months out and am just having cravings again. It is

strange how it doesn't really matter what it is as long as it's not good for

me it will do. Hang in there girl! You will prevail!!

Angie

[Guest guest]

No answers here , just some commiseration. Stupid brain really

wants those doughnuts, even while my pouch is yelling threats about what

will happen if I dare do something like that. So far, no doughnuts, but

only because there aren't any in the house. I don't dare go anywhere near

them because they will be in my mouth if they are anywhere within range.

Being distal helps with some things, but NOT with doughnuts!!

------------------------------------------------

Terry Mayers

5DollarHosting.comR

http://www.5dollarhosting.com

(877)-838-HOST /

.... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune! R

Pouch VS. Head Boxing Match...

Only on PPV... brought to you free... YUP, I could scream right about

now. What's up with my signals... why can't I " listen and trust " my body for

the (going on day 3 now) -- My pouch is full... stuffed with protein shakes

(sorry to the weak at heart) it is the only trusted " option " right now --

For whatever reason (or lack of reason) my body has been " starving " the

last few days and my pouch is so full that even the shakes begin to come

back up as I pack it down trying to get that " I'm full " signal back up to my

brain which is totally NOT getting the signal... quiet the opposite, my

brain keeps telling me I'm hungry.

I know this to be a lie because what I'm " hungry " for is a doughnut, a

croissant, maybe a couple of those leftover valentine candies and toss in

some chips, dip and a sandwich slathered in all sorts of garbage food --

That's how I know it is a lie BUT it will not stop!!!

I get my pouch so full that literally, I'm up-burping slightly some of

my shake and my head is still screaming to go eat bad bad foods... I'm not

craving on the good stuff (like I do sometimes do if I'm short a vitamin or

mineral...) Nope... it's the nasty food, candy, crackers, chips, cakes...

and then of course comes the " fast food drive by " incidents when my head

goes flying out the window and wraps itself totally around the nearest

Mc's and tells me that I can eat a double meat double cheese and must

have greasy fries... that one tends to flow into my dreams at night....

What's up with this???? I haven't a clue. Truly. My brain is NOT getting

the full feeling and my constant urge is to feed... I can't trust myself to

mix up a salad without sour cream, dowsed in enough full fat creamy Cesar

salad dressing to float a boat on and of course the whole day and next day

of sitting on or near the throne for putting nasty stuff in my body -- nasty

in / nasty out / and none of it does a dang thing to satisfy this starving

feeling.

So, I sit on my 3rd shake this morning... waiting for the urge to pass

to go get those chocolate filled fresh doughnuts by the dozen because

anything less than 8 is NOT enough...

Oh please, someone make this STOP. This is a bloody match, hope y'all

get your moneys worth... no clue what brought this on and no clue how to

stop it -- I haven't given in to it but if I get rabid and do I'm sure to

throw it up because I'm keeping the ol' pouch packed with protein till this

passes.

So... while it is a good thing to learn to listen to our bodies and

learn to trust the signals it sends to us under normal circumstances....

this e-mail is to say... my signals are crossed and the brain is not getting

the messages and something's gone off -- it can happen... and at these

times, the times when my brain would eat the tar off the road that I also

learn to listen to common sense and fall back on habits formed a long time

ago... learn how to keep my pouch totally full even if my brain doesn't " get

it " -- These times I am so grateful to all my Mom's, , Felicia, Ann,

Sue and sue, EJ, Kjaz (some who I know are not here but are " here " in my

head still) and many others of you who taught me how to not totally screw

myself up when the bad times hit.

love ya all... we're never " out of the woods " I guess... this too shall

pass... all that stuff but none of it makes me any less compulsively hungry

at this moment *sigh*

~denise

[Guest guest]

No answers here , just some commiseration. Stupid brain really

wants those doughnuts, even while my pouch is yelling threats about what

will happen if I dare do something like that. So far, no doughnuts, but

only because there aren't any in the house. I don't dare go anywhere near

them because they will be in my mouth if they are anywhere within range.

Being distal helps with some things, but NOT with doughnuts!!

------------------------------------------------

Terry Mayers

5DollarHosting.comR

http://www.5dollarhosting.com

(877)-838-HOST /

.... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune! R

Pouch VS. Head Boxing Match...

Only on PPV... brought to you free... YUP, I could scream right about

now. What's up with my signals... why can't I " listen and trust " my body for

the (going on day 3 now) -- My pouch is full... stuffed with protein shakes

(sorry to the weak at heart) it is the only trusted " option " right now --

For whatever reason (or lack of reason) my body has been " starving " the

last few days and my pouch is so full that even the shakes begin to come

back up as I pack it down trying to get that " I'm full " signal back up to my

brain which is totally NOT getting the signal... quiet the opposite, my

brain keeps telling me I'm hungry.

I know this to be a lie because what I'm " hungry " for is a doughnut, a

croissant, maybe a couple of those leftover valentine candies and toss in

some chips, dip and a sandwich slathered in all sorts of garbage food --

That's how I know it is a lie BUT it will not stop!!!

I get my pouch so full that literally, I'm up-burping slightly some of

my shake and my head is still screaming to go eat bad bad foods... I'm not

craving on the good stuff (like I do sometimes do if I'm short a vitamin or

mineral...) Nope... it's the nasty food, candy, crackers, chips, cakes...

and then of course comes the " fast food drive by " incidents when my head

goes flying out the window and wraps itself totally around the nearest

Mc's and tells me that I can eat a double meat double cheese and must

have greasy fries... that one tends to flow into my dreams at night....

What's up with this???? I haven't a clue. Truly. My brain is NOT getting

the full feeling and my constant urge is to feed... I can't trust myself to

mix up a salad without sour cream, dowsed in enough full fat creamy Cesar

salad dressing to float a boat on and of course the whole day and next day

of sitting on or near the throne for putting nasty stuff in my body -- nasty

in / nasty out / and none of it does a dang thing to satisfy this starving

feeling.

So, I sit on my 3rd shake this morning... waiting for the urge to pass

to go get those chocolate filled fresh doughnuts by the dozen because

anything less than 8 is NOT enough...

Oh please, someone make this STOP. This is a bloody match, hope y'all

get your moneys worth... no clue what brought this on and no clue how to

stop it -- I haven't given in to it but if I get rabid and do I'm sure to

throw it up because I'm keeping the ol' pouch packed with protein till this

passes.

So... while it is a good thing to learn to listen to our bodies and

learn to trust the signals it sends to us under normal circumstances....

this e-mail is to say... my signals are crossed and the brain is not getting

the messages and something's gone off -- it can happen... and at these

times, the times when my brain would eat the tar off the road that I also

learn to listen to common sense and fall back on habits formed a long time

ago... learn how to keep my pouch totally full even if my brain doesn't " get

it " -- These times I am so grateful to all my Mom's, , Felicia, Ann,

Sue and sue, EJ, Kjaz (some who I know are not here but are " here " in my

head still) and many others of you who taught me how to not totally screw

myself up when the bad times hit.

love ya all... we're never " out of the woods " I guess... this too shall

pass... all that stuff but none of it makes me any less compulsively hungry

at this moment *sigh*

~denise

[Guest guest]

I'm in the same boat, fighting with my urge to eat, and my sudden weight

gain (can you really gain 10 pounds in 2 days?) and just freakin' puzzled

about the whole thing.

I thought I was being pretty careless about my eating, and the scale showed

that to be true. I was back up to 250 again at the beginning of the week. I

decided to go cold turkey on the simple carbs, and did so, and had 3 days of

really really good -- only protein and green leafy salads with no-carb

dressing, and on Thursday morning the scale said 248. Well good, that's

working then. Thursday was my birthday. In the morning I had donuts that

someone brought to work -- not good for the cold turkey intentions, but it

was my birthday, and I thought, one bad day out of the week wasn't going to

do that much damage. Had birthday cake and a little ice cream in the evening

(but dinner was filet of sole and roasted veggies, not that far off the

healthy mark.) Friday morning I didn't get on the scale. Saturday morning

(after a good Friday of back to no simple carbs) the scale says 258. WHAT? 2

donuts and 1 piece of birthday cake, and I gained 10 pounds? How can this

be? I did my calories etc on FitDay, and they were a little over, but not

really that bad in the great scheme of things.

I'm just perplexed. I'm trying desperately to remember what has worked for

losing weight, and cannot put my finger on the one thing that will help.

Yesterday I was depressed and ate the better part of a package of sugar-free

cookies, and am paying for it this morning with the famous maltitol

" laxative effect. "

So far today I've had protein (SciFit) and coffee with DaVinci and a little

cream. Nothing else. And I'm thinking that since my pouch is not the

slightest bit hungry right now (although my brain is screaming for food)

that I'm going to listen to the pouch, and just stay with the protein for

the rest of the day. And water, lots of water, to make up for what's

disappearing as a result of the cookie-laxatives.

I didn't think I was THAT far off on my eating, and I just can't say this

one thing or that one thing is contributing to this weight gain. I'm at a

loss.

And I just needed to vent, and I know with you guys I can do that.

~~ Lyn G, afloat on a sea of coffee & SciFit

[Guest guest]

I'm in the same boat, fighting with my urge to eat, and my sudden weight

gain (can you really gain 10 pounds in 2 days?) and just freakin' puzzled

about the whole thing.

I thought I was being pretty careless about my eating, and the scale showed

that to be true. I was back up to 250 again at the beginning of the week. I

decided to go cold turkey on the simple carbs, and did so, and had 3 days of

really really good -- only protein and green leafy salads with no-carb

dressing, and on Thursday morning the scale said 248. Well good, that's

working then. Thursday was my birthday. In the morning I had donuts that

someone brought to work -- not good for the cold turkey intentions, but it

was my birthday, and I thought, one bad day out of the week wasn't going to

do that much damage. Had birthday cake and a little ice cream in the evening

(but dinner was filet of sole and roasted veggies, not that far off the

healthy mark.) Friday morning I didn't get on the scale. Saturday morning

(after a good Friday of back to no simple carbs) the scale says 258. WHAT? 2

donuts and 1 piece of birthday cake, and I gained 10 pounds? How can this

be? I did my calories etc on FitDay, and they were a little over, but not

really that bad in the great scheme of things.

I'm just perplexed. I'm trying desperately to remember what has worked for

losing weight, and cannot put my finger on the one thing that will help.

Yesterday I was depressed and ate the better part of a package of sugar-free

cookies, and am paying for it this morning with the famous maltitol

" laxative effect. "

So far today I've had protein (SciFit) and coffee with DaVinci and a little

cream. Nothing else. And I'm thinking that since my pouch is not the

slightest bit hungry right now (although my brain is screaming for food)

that I'm going to listen to the pouch, and just stay with the protein for

the rest of the day. And water, lots of water, to make up for what's

disappearing as a result of the cookie-laxatives.

I didn't think I was THAT far off on my eating, and I just can't say this

one thing or that one thing is contributing to this weight gain. I'm at a

loss.

And I just needed to vent, and I know with you guys I can do that.

~~ Lyn G, afloat on a sea of coffee & SciFit

[Guest guest]

Oh !!!!!!..... This email read as if I had written it!!!!!!!....

OMG!!!!!!!!.... I've been on a binge!!!!!!.... or should I say fighting a

binge!!!!!!!!.... It's horrible! I'm still fighting it now going on 2

weeks!!!!! Hoping that it stops soon!!!!!!

Betty

Pouch VS. Head Boxing Match...

Only on PPV... brought to you free... YUP, I could scream right about

now. What's up with my signals... why can't I " listen and trust " my body for

the (going on day 3 now) -- My pouch is full... stuffed with protein shakes

(sorry to the weak at heart) it is the only trusted " option " right now --

For whatever reason (or lack of reason) my body has been " starving " the

last few days and my pouch is so full that even the shakes begin to come

back up as I pack it down trying to get that " I'm full " signal back up to my

brain which is totally NOT getting the signal... quiet the opposite, my

brain keeps telling me I'm hungry.

I know this to be a lie because what I'm " hungry " for is a doughnut, a

croissant, maybe a couple of those leftover valentine candies and toss in

some chips, dip and a sandwich slathered in all sorts of garbage food --

That's how I know it is a lie BUT it will not stop!!!

I get my pouch so full that literally, I'm up-burping slightly some of

my shake and my head is still screaming to go eat bad bad foods... I'm not

craving on the good stuff (like I do sometimes do if I'm short a vitamin or

mineral...) Nope... it's the nasty food, candy, crackers, chips, cakes...

and then of course comes the " fast food drive by " incidents when my head

goes flying out the window and wraps itself totally around the nearest

Mc's and tells me that I can eat a double meat double cheese and must

have greasy fries... that one tends to flow into my dreams at night....

What's up with this???? I haven't a clue. Truly. My brain is NOT getting

the full feeling and my constant urge is to feed... I can't trust myself to

mix up a salad without sour cream, dowsed in enough full fat creamy Cesar

salad dressing to float a boat on and of course the whole day and next day

of sitting on or near the throne for putting nasty stuff in my body -- nasty

in / nasty out / and none of it does a dang thing to satisfy this starving

feeling.

So, I sit on my 3rd shake this morning... waiting for the urge to pass

to go get those chocolate filled fresh doughnuts by the dozen because

anything less than 8 is NOT enough...

Oh please, someone make this STOP. This is a bloody match, hope y'all

get your moneys worth... no clue what brought this on and no clue how to

stop it -- I haven't given in to it but if I get rabid and do I'm sure to

throw it up because I'm keeping the ol' pouch packed with protein till this

passes.

So... while it is a good thing to learn to listen to our bodies and

learn to trust the signals it sends to us under normal circumstances....

this e-mail is to say... my signals are crossed and the brain is not getting

the messages and something's gone off -- it can happen... and at these

times, the times when my brain would eat the tar off the road that I also

learn to listen to common sense and fall back on habits formed a long time

ago... learn how to keep my pouch totally full even if my brain doesn't " get

it " -- These times I am so grateful to all my Mom's, , Felicia, Ann,

Sue and sue, EJ, Kjaz (some who I know are not here but are " here " in my

head still) and many others of you who taught me how to not totally screw

myself up when the bad times hit.

love ya all... we're never " out of the woods " I guess... this too shall

pass... all that stuff but none of it makes me any less compulsively hungry

at this moment *sigh*

~denise

[Guest guest]

Oh !!!!!!..... This email read as if I had written it!!!!!!!....

OMG!!!!!!!!.... I've been on a binge!!!!!!.... or should I say fighting a

binge!!!!!!!!.... It's horrible! I'm still fighting it now going on 2

weeks!!!!! Hoping that it stops soon!!!!!!

Betty

Pouch VS. Head Boxing Match...

Only on PPV... brought to you free... YUP, I could scream right about

now. What's up with my signals... why can't I " listen and trust " my body for

the (going on day 3 now) -- My pouch is full... stuffed with protein shakes

(sorry to the weak at heart) it is the only trusted " option " right now --

For whatever reason (or lack of reason) my body has been " starving " the

last few days and my pouch is so full that even the shakes begin to come

back up as I pack it down trying to get that " I'm full " signal back up to my

brain which is totally NOT getting the signal... quiet the opposite, my

brain keeps telling me I'm hungry.

I know this to be a lie because what I'm " hungry " for is a doughnut, a

croissant, maybe a couple of those leftover valentine candies and toss in

some chips, dip and a sandwich slathered in all sorts of garbage food --

That's how I know it is a lie BUT it will not stop!!!

I get my pouch so full that literally, I'm up-burping slightly some of

my shake and my head is still screaming to go eat bad bad foods... I'm not

craving on the good stuff (like I do sometimes do if I'm short a vitamin or

mineral...) Nope... it's the nasty food, candy, crackers, chips, cakes...

and then of course comes the " fast food drive by " incidents when my head

goes flying out the window and wraps itself totally around the nearest

Mc's and tells me that I can eat a double meat double cheese and must

have greasy fries... that one tends to flow into my dreams at night....

What's up with this???? I haven't a clue. Truly. My brain is NOT getting

the full feeling and my constant urge is to feed... I can't trust myself to

mix up a salad without sour cream, dowsed in enough full fat creamy Cesar

salad dressing to float a boat on and of course the whole day and next day

of sitting on or near the throne for putting nasty stuff in my body -- nasty

in / nasty out / and none of it does a dang thing to satisfy this starving

feeling.

So, I sit on my 3rd shake this morning... waiting for the urge to pass

to go get those chocolate filled fresh doughnuts by the dozen because

anything less than 8 is NOT enough...

Oh please, someone make this STOP. This is a bloody match, hope y'all

get your moneys worth... no clue what brought this on and no clue how to

stop it -- I haven't given in to it but if I get rabid and do I'm sure to

throw it up because I'm keeping the ol' pouch packed with protein till this

passes.

So... while it is a good thing to learn to listen to our bodies and

learn to trust the signals it sends to us under normal circumstances....

this e-mail is to say... my signals are crossed and the brain is not getting

the messages and something's gone off -- it can happen... and at these

times, the times when my brain would eat the tar off the road that I also

learn to listen to common sense and fall back on habits formed a long time

ago... learn how to keep my pouch totally full even if my brain doesn't " get

it " -- These times I am so grateful to all my Mom's, , Felicia, Ann,

Sue and sue, EJ, Kjaz (some who I know are not here but are " here " in my

head still) and many others of you who taught me how to not totally screw

myself up when the bad times hit.

love ya all... we're never " out of the woods " I guess... this too shall

pass... all that stuff but none of it makes me any less compulsively hungry

at this moment *sigh*

~denise

[Guest guest]

> > love ya all... we're never " out of the woods " I guess... this too

shall pass... all that stuff but none of it makes me any less

compulsively hungry at this moment *sigh*

> ~denise

>

******************************

I see a load of responses to your post, and I haven't read them yet,

but I'm sure there are many others besides you & me in the same

boat...yes, me too. The past week has been terrible, a virtual eat-a-

thon. I keep blaming it on the weather...first the blizzard, now the

rain, the grey sky blues, major sun deprivation, not to mention

battling a cold and bronchitis. But, I was hovering around 155# for

months, and over 160 I went this morning. I have to do the protein

blitz, but I'm just too tired right now, not in the right frame of

mind. I'm with you, Sis, this too shall pass, I know it will, it's

just a question of when.

Hugs,

in NJ

[Guest guest]

Please go to the store & get a good grain bread, slather with real mayo, tuna &

a thick hunk of crunchy lettuce.

I'm thinking you need some carbs/fats. May as well pace it into something

harmless.

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com

Pouch VS. Head Boxing Match...

Only on PPV... brought to you free... YUP, I could scream right about

now. What's up with my signals... why can't I " listen and trust " my body for

the (going on day 3 now) -- My pouch is full... stuffed with protein shakes

(sorry to the weak at heart) it is the only trusted " option " right now --

For whatever reason (or lack of reason) my body has been " starving " the

last few days and my pouch is so full that even the shakes begin to come

back up as I pack it down trying to get that " I'm full " signal back up to my

brain which is totally NOT getting the signal... quiet the opposite, my

brain keeps telling me I'm hungry.

I know this to be a lie because what I'm " hungry " for is a doughnut, a

croissant, maybe a couple of those leftover valentine candies and toss in

some chips, dip and a sandwich slathered in all sorts of garbage food --

That's how I know it is a lie BUT it will not stop!!!

I get my pouch so full that literally, I'm up-burping slightly some of

my shake and my head is still screaming to go eat bad bad foods... I'm not

craving on the good stuff (like I do sometimes do if I'm short a vitamin or

mineral...) Nope... it's the nasty food, candy, crackers, chips, cakes...

and then of course comes the " fast food drive by " incidents when my head

goes flying out the window and wraps itself totally around the nearest

Mc's and tells me that I can eat a double meat double cheese and must

have greasy fries... that one tends to flow into my dreams at night....

What's up with this???? I haven't a clue. Truly. My brain is NOT getting

the full feeling and my constant urge is to feed... I can't trust myself to

mix up a salad without sour cream, dowsed in enough full fat creamy Cesar

salad dressing to float a boat on and of course the whole day and next day

of sitting on or near the throne for putting nasty stuff in my body -- nasty

in / nasty out / and none of it does a dang thing to satisfy this starving

feeling.

So, I sit on my 3rd shake this morning... waiting for the urge to pass

to go get those chocolate filled fresh doughnuts by the dozen because

anything less than 8 is NOT enough...

Oh please, someone make this STOP. This is a bloody match, hope y'all

get your moneys worth... no clue what brought this on and no clue how to

stop it -- I haven't given in to it but if I get rabid and do I'm sure to

throw it up because I'm keeping the ol' pouch packed with protein till this

passes.

So... while it is a good thing to learn to listen to our bodies and

learn to trust the signals it sends to us under normal circumstances....

this e-mail is to say... my signals are crossed and the brain is not getting

the messages and something's gone off -- it can happen... and at these

times, the times when my brain would eat the tar off the road that I also

learn to listen to common sense and fall back on habits formed a long time

ago... learn how to keep my pouch totally full even if my brain doesn't " get

it " -- These times I am so grateful to all my Mom's, , Felicia, Ann,

Sue and sue, EJ, Kjaz (some who I know are not here but are " here " in my

head still) and many others of you who taught me how to not totally screw

myself up when the bad times hit.

love ya all... we're never " out of the woods " I guess... this too shall

pass... all that stuff but none of it makes me any less compulsively hungry

at this moment *sigh*

~denise

[Guest guest]

MMMmmmmmmmm, yummy WORMS any carbs? How many grams of protein do you

think? Hehehheee. Get well soon. Lets all get some fun in

the sun.....Lets meet in Cancun for a week!!

Elvia

> > > love ya all... we're never " out of the woods " I guess... this

too

> shall pass... all that stuff but none of it makes me any less

> compulsively hungry at this moment *sigh*

> > ~denise

> >

> ******************************

> I see a load of responses to your post, and I haven't read them

yet,

> but I'm sure there are many others besides you & me in the same

> boat...yes, me too. The past week has been terrible, a virtual eat-

a-

> thon. I keep blaming it on the weather...first the blizzard, now

the

> rain, the grey sky blues, major sun deprivation, not to mention

> battling a cold and bronchitis. But, I was hovering around 155#

for

> months, and over 160 I went this morning. I have to do the protein

> blitz, but I'm just too tired right now, not in the right frame of

> mind. I'm with you, Sis, this too shall pass, I know it will, it's

> just a question of when.

>

> Hugs,

> in NJ

[Guest guest]

We are not like normal people. All calories are not equal for us. Sugar does

put on weight fast. My surgeon told me that eating a teaspoon of sugar a day

can keep you from losing weight. I think of sugar as the enemy. It's self

defeating for me to even get started. Not only does it make me gain weight, it

takes only a very small amount of sugar to get me on the sugar jones again. I

hate that sugar craving and most of the time will do anything to avoid it. I

don't eat sugar at all, but I can get messed up by eating more than a half a

piece of fruit at a time.

I also find that if I don't get enough protein, I get a general " I have to eat

everything in sight " craving, which is really annoying. My theory is that if we

don't feed our bodies what they need, they will look for quantity, hoping to

find the right nutrient somewhere. I can gain weight by not drinking enough

protein shakes. Protein from food, does not seem to affect me one way or the

other, as I probably don't absorb very much of it.

Of course, some people are more sensitive to sugar than others. It sounds to me

like you are a sensitive one. It does not surprise me at all that you gained

from " just one bad day " . Even though I am at goal weight, I can gain as much

as 4 lbs in one day, if I eat too much fruit, don't exercise and don't take

enough protein. I am distal and do about 150 gm of protein from shakes a day.

I don't even count the protein in the food.

It usually takes me a little longer to get the 4 lbs off than it did to get it

on. Are you getting enough protein for the type of surgery you have? Believe

it or not, for me, just not taking enough protein for a few days can cause me to

gain.

Good luck, and don't panic.

BarbaraJean

P.S. Are you mixing protein with hot coffee? If so, that could be part of the

problem, because heat destroys protein.

Thursday was my birthday. In the morning I had donuts that

someone brought to work -- not good for the cold turkey intentions, but it

was my birthday, and I thought, one bad day out of the week wasn't going to

do that much damage. Had birthday cake and a little ice cream in the evening

(but dinner was filet of sole and roasted veggies, not that far off the

healthy mark.) Friday morning I didn't get on the scale. Saturday morning

(after a good Friday of back to no simple carbs) the scale says 258. WHAT? 2

donuts and 1 piece of birthday cake, and I gained 10 pounds? How can this

be? I did my calories etc on FitDay, and they were a little over, but not

really that bad in the great scheme of things.

I'm just perplexed. I'm trying desperately to remember what has worked for

losing weight, and cannot put my finger on the one thing that will help.

Yesterday I was depressed and ate the better part of a package of sugar-free

cookies, and am paying for it this morning with the famous maltitol

" laxative effect. "

So far today I've had protein (SciFit) and coffee with DaVinci and a little

cream. Nothing else. And I'm thinking that since my pouch is not the

slightest bit hungry right now (although my brain is screaming for food)

that I'm going to listen to the pouch, and just stay with the protein for

the rest of the day. And water, lots of water, to make up for what's

disappearing as a result of the cookie-laxatives.

I didn't think I was THAT far off on my eating, and I just can't say this

one thing or that one thing is contributing to this weight gain. I'm at a

loss.

And I just needed to vent, and I know with you guys I can do that.

~~ Lyn G, afloat on a sea of coffee & SciFit

[Guest guest]

> MMMmmmmmmmm, yummy WORMS any carbs? How many grams of protein do

you think? Hehehheee. Get well soon. Lets all get some fun in

> the sun.....Lets meet in Cancun for a week!!

> Elvia

>

****************

Yahoo is still burping, and posts are disappearing, anyway...

Cancun, ahhhhh Cancun

, no longer in NJ, sipping on hot decaf tea, pretending it's a

pina colada on the beach with hot native men waiting on her hand and

foot (and any other body parts they want to wait on)....mmmmm

[Guest guest]

>> Are you surprised at how many of us are having the same problem? I sure

am. I wish we all lived close to each other where we could meet and try to

get through this.

No, I'm not really surprised, because at 3 years out I've heard this SO much

of the time. So many people I know who had their surgery when I had mine

have regained. One has gained back all her weight plus about 50 pounds, but

she continues to eat like a normie, and won't even discuss protein shakes.

The head hunger is definitely the hardest part. And yes, I do wish I had

people close by that I could get together with. When I was in San Diego I

had a great support system, and when one of us would be having grazing or

binging problems, we could always get together with others and talk out what

was really eating us. Here I don't have anyone in person that I can just

vent with, no one who has had the surgery and understands is within a 10

minute drive. It makes it so tough!

Every time I read a newbie or a pre-op talking about never eating a

chocolate again or never again having a whole hamburger, I want to tell them

that the surgery will not stop them from doing these things, and if they are

really determined like I was, they will defeat dumping syndrome, they will

drink with their meals and eat more, and they will stop losing or re-gain.

They don't usually listen, of course, so I don't always tell them, but once

in a while I get on a soapbox and say HEY, look at me, never made it to

goal, 60# over lowest weight now, and it's because I thought I COULD do the

things you think you'll NEVER do. A nibble here and there is just insanity.

And here is the result.

I'm doing ok today. I went to archery practice and they were barbecuing hot

dogs, but I had a protein shake and gritted my teeth and hung in there. I

wouldn't have had the dog without the bun, and I know it. So I avoided it.

Later I went vegetarian food shopping with my daughter, in a market that has

SO many goodies, but I made it through, and had a protein bar in the car

afterwards. So far, so good.

Now we'll see how the night time goes...

~~ Lyn

[Guest guest]

>> Are you surprised at how many of us are having the same problem? I sure

am. I wish we all lived close to each other where we could meet and try to

get through this.

No, I'm not really surprised, because at 3 years out I've heard this SO much

of the time. So many people I know who had their surgery when I had mine

have regained. One has gained back all her weight plus about 50 pounds, but

she continues to eat like a normie, and won't even discuss protein shakes.

The head hunger is definitely the hardest part. And yes, I do wish I had

people close by that I could get together with. When I was in San Diego I

had a great support system, and when one of us would be having grazing or

binging problems, we could always get together with others and talk out what

was really eating us. Here I don't have anyone in person that I can just

vent with, no one who has had the surgery and understands is within a 10

minute drive. It makes it so tough!

Every time I read a newbie or a pre-op talking about never eating a

chocolate again or never again having a whole hamburger, I want to tell them

that the surgery will not stop them from doing these things, and if they are

really determined like I was, they will defeat dumping syndrome, they will

drink with their meals and eat more, and they will stop losing or re-gain.

They don't usually listen, of course, so I don't always tell them, but once

in a while I get on a soapbox and say HEY, look at me, never made it to

goal, 60# over lowest weight now, and it's because I thought I COULD do the

things you think you'll NEVER do. A nibble here and there is just insanity.

And here is the result.

I'm doing ok today. I went to archery practice and they were barbecuing hot

dogs, but I had a protein shake and gritted my teeth and hung in there. I

wouldn't have had the dog without the bun, and I know it. So I avoided it.

Later I went vegetarian food shopping with my daughter, in a market that has

SO many goodies, but I made it through, and had a protein bar in the car

afterwards. So far, so good.

Now we'll see how the night time goes...

~~ Lyn

[Guest guest]

>> Are you surprised at how many of us are having the same problem? I sure

am. I wish we all lived close to each other where we could meet and try to

get through this.

No, I'm not really surprised, because at 3 years out I've heard this SO much

of the time. So many people I know who had their surgery when I had mine

have regained. One has gained back all her weight plus about 50 pounds, but

she continues to eat like a normie, and won't even discuss protein shakes.

The head hunger is definitely the hardest part. And yes, I do wish I had

people close by that I could get together with. When I was in San Diego I

had a great support system, and when one of us would be having grazing or

binging problems, we could always get together with others and talk out what

was really eating us. Here I don't have anyone in person that I can just

vent with, no one who has had the surgery and understands is within a 10

minute drive. It makes it so tough!

Every time I read a newbie or a pre-op talking about never eating a

chocolate again or never again having a whole hamburger, I want to tell them

that the surgery will not stop them from doing these things, and if they are

really determined like I was, they will defeat dumping syndrome, they will

drink with their meals and eat more, and they will stop losing or re-gain.

They don't usually listen, of course, so I don't always tell them, but once

in a while I get on a soapbox and say HEY, look at me, never made it to

goal, 60# over lowest weight now, and it's because I thought I COULD do the

things you think you'll NEVER do. A nibble here and there is just insanity.

And here is the result.

I'm doing ok today. I went to archery practice and they were barbecuing hot

dogs, but I had a protein shake and gritted my teeth and hung in there. I

wouldn't have had the dog without the bun, and I know it. So I avoided it.

Later I went vegetarian food shopping with my daughter, in a market that has

SO many goodies, but I made it through, and had a protein bar in the car

afterwards. So far, so good.

Now we'll see how the night time goes...

~~ Lyn

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/23/2003 9:31:15 AM Central Standard Time,

datwell@... writes:

> my pouch is so full that even the shakes begin to come

> back up as I pack it down trying to get that " I'm full " signal back up to

> my

> brain which is totally NOT getting the signal...

------------------------------

Sometimes I think we expect way too much from our protein shakes. They DO

give me a satisfied feeling for an hour or two, but maybe what you need is

REAL protein--the kind you get from food, and that stix in your pouch for

awhile. Have you tried that?

Carol A

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/23/2003 9:31:15 AM Central Standard Time,

datwell@... writes:

> my pouch is so full that even the shakes begin to come

> back up as I pack it down trying to get that " I'm full " signal back up to

> my

> brain which is totally NOT getting the signal...

------------------------------

Sometimes I think we expect way too much from our protein shakes. They DO

give me a satisfied feeling for an hour or two, but maybe what you need is

REAL protein--the kind you get from food, and that stix in your pouch for

awhile. Have you tried that?

Carol A

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/23/2003 9:31:15 AM Central Standard Time,

datwell@... writes:

> my pouch is so full that even the shakes begin to come

> back up as I pack it down trying to get that " I'm full " signal back up to

> my

> brain which is totally NOT getting the signal...

------------------------------

Sometimes I think we expect way too much from our protein shakes. They DO

give me a satisfied feeling for an hour or two, but maybe what you need is

REAL protein--the kind you get from food, and that stix in your pouch for

awhile. Have you tried that?

Carol A

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/23/2003 11:29:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,

rehab@... writes:

<< And I

continually wonder how some appear to take a laissez-faire attitude, eat

whatever, don't do protein, got to goal, and don't gain weight!! I just

do not understand it. Of little comfort is the knowledge that I am not

alone in the battle. >>

Me too Amber, me too. After reading 's essay about the 2 and 3 year

walls I am terrified. I'm 18 months out and 97 pounds down. I still need to

lose 70 pounds and have all but given up any hope of reaching that goal. I'm

hanging between 208 and 210 and feeling that if I could get and stay below

175 it would have to be good enough. I'm just 5'2 " so I would still be

classified as obese even then. The whole thing has been such a struggle, to

lose a pound or 2 every month or so is typical. To hear that I will most

likely encounter even greater difficulty is overwhelming and depressing.

Right now I'm not struggling with cravings or eating, in fact I am having to

make myself eat something, but that doesn't seem to make any difference

either to the scale.

I really really hate this feeling of failure and envy.

B

[Guest guest]

Carol said:

Sometimes I think we expect way too much from our protein shakes. They DO

give me a satisfied feeling for an hour or two, but maybe what you need is

REAL protein--the kind you get from food, and that stix in your pouch for

awhile. Have you tried that?

__________

Yes, I put the chicken strips in there for the whole chew, swallow,

taste, pack it full thing -- it didn't " get " that either...

It's past, last night I had the " full feeling " and my head nagged a

little but not much at all... just a left over type of whining that wasn't

anything like the previous war. Have no idea why it happened or why it

stopped -- I didn't cave but have no idea how many more days I could have

done that.

To totally weird... this morning my pouch feels back to the normal

morning feeling and my head is back with it... how weird? I don't know?

Nothing like that whole war going on inside and no clue why it started or

ended... *sigh* Just that it left me drained feeling... emotionally drained

so I'm thinking it must have been an emotional feeding war and not a

physical one at all.

Maybe I'll get a clue in hind-sight and if I do I'll let y'all

know....

hugz,

~denise

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for sharing your experience with us. It's good to hear not only the good,

but the not so good part of this too. I'm so glad that your head got caught back

up with your pouch. That must have been horrible. I'm still pre-op (only for two

more weeks though), so I can't even imagine how that was for you. I think what I

got out of your experience is that just because we have WLS, that doesn't mean

that it fixes the head stuff. I think that would require another surgery...

maybe a lobotomy ;-)

Take care,

Yvonne

pre-op, 3/11/03

Dr. , BTC Ypsilanti, MI