Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 You know I've noticed that depression IS a big pain to many in the group who are grappling with awful RLS problems to boot. I've been wondering though, has anyone received any truly long lasting relief through professional help other than constant medication to dull it? Has anyone been armed with a way out of a period of depression without having to go back for continuing counseling etc. I mean is there a cure or is it like RLS, something one has to battle indefinitely? Cheers and prayers, Jeanne and Mr. Biggles in Poultney VT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 Jeanne, Depression often runs in families, even different types of depression may be present in one family, such as " regular " depression and bipolar disorder(manic depressive). Medications that truly help do not " dull " anything. They work on increasing the effects of the neurotransmiters just like some folks who have diabetes take insulin because their bodies don't produce enough. those of us who are prone to depression must take meds which get our bodies back in sync. I imagine there are some folks who never stop taking anti-depressants, just like many of us will never be able to stop taking meds for our RLS. I was able to stop for about a year, but realized I was getting in trouble again and went to my doc who is trying me on a new med that hopefuly will not mess with the RLS like the others have. When I am " able " and the weather is " friendly " , I will make sure I get back to running. That's the best med I've ever had for my depression. It's not possible though to make yourself get out and exercise if you're already in the " GRIP " of severe depresion. Once you get help and are able to see things in a positive way again, and actually have hope for tomorrow, then it is important to do whatever is good for " you " to keep your mental health in balance. Didn't mean for this to be so long. I just got carried away - Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 1999 Report Share Posted March 8, 1999 I have been on and off anti-depressants since 1995. I was on them for 2 years straight and at that time, the Dr.'s told me I may need them the rest of my life. I don't go to counseling anymore, the issues that brought on the major depression are over with and long gone. But I notice in the winter months, I start getting down and nothing will pull me out, usually by xmas I am starting my crying jags. Part of my problem is SAD (seasonal affective disorder) or lack of sunshine in the winter. My currant Dr. does not want me to go off the anti depressants for several months yet, maybe not at all. At first I was really upset at the thought of being on meds for this and felt like I should be able to " kick it " the fact is that I am now resigned to possibly having to take this med all the time, it's much better than living in that black hole day after day, not even getting to enjoy the simple things in life because it requires to much energy. Incidentally, my RLS/PLMD got MUCH worse after my depression hit, and even though it still bothers me now, I must say since the Dr. increased my zoloft I am sleeping better, I still have to take the xanax to quite my legs, but I am functioning better during the day and not waking up feeling like a zombie all day. Coincidence? I don't know.. Time will tell I guess. Debbie , Ca. 42 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 1999 Report Share Posted March 8, 1999 Jodi, It is frightening to read all of the medications you were and are still taking. I wonder if you could (after talking to your doctor of course ) stop all but the antibiotics and steroids - those to actually stop the illness. The others seem to me to be treating symptoms - the sinus congestion, upset stomach. Please Jodi, I am not taking this lightly and understand that the symptoms are probably miserable. I am just stunned at all that you are taking. Several years ago my father was prescribed a medication for acid indigestion that he suffered after every meal. Soon after he started taking the medication, he became very depressed, very unlike him. This went on for several weeks and we were all very scared and watched him very closely. Finally, my mother began to question the medication and yes, lo and behold , a side effect was depression and he was taken off the medication and gradually returned ot normal. I would check each medication you have taken or are taking for that side effect even the ones you take for upset stomach. My husband has been prescribed Entex in the past. He sleeps like a baby on it. I have tried it and am up all night with bad RLS and wide-awake. I hate the stuff. Sorry if I sound preachy, but it is worrisome. Please take care. Lynn, Ga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 1999 Report Share Posted March 8, 1999 Jodi, It is frightening to read all of the medications you were and are still taking. I wonder if you could (after talking to your doctor of course ) stop all but the antibiotics and steroids - those to actually stop the illness. The others seem to me to be treating symptoms - the sinus congestion, upset stomach. Please Jodi, I am not taking this lightly and understand that the symptoms are probably miserable. I am just stunned at all that you are taking. Several years ago my father was prescribed a medication for acid indigestion that he suffered after every meal. Soon after he started taking the medication, he became very depressed, very unlike him. This went on for several weeks and we were all very scared and watched him very closely. Finally, my mother began to question the medication and yes, lo and behold , a side effect was depression and he was taken off the medication and gradually returned ot normal. I would check each medication you have taken or are taking for that side effect even the ones you take for upset stomach. My husband has been prescribed Entex in the past. He sleeps like a baby on it. I have tried it and am up all night with bad RLS and wide-awake. I hate the stuff. Sorry if I sound preachy, but it is worrisome. Please take care. Lynn, Ga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 1999 Report Share Posted March 8, 1999 Hi Group: I guess this is a response to all of the messages that I have been reading lately about depression (and I apologize at the beginning for the length of it). It seems to be going rampant in this group lately, including myself!! Between being sick since before Christmas with one thing or another, stomach bug, pneumonia, upper respiratory infection, acute bronchitis and a sinus infection (the last four all at the same time, for those of you that have joined the group lately), I have been pumped with so many medications that I don't know which end is up anymore. As a lot of us have discussed in the past, antihistamines (most of them) due tend to aggravate RLS, and due to the nature of my health problems, that is one type of drug that has been prescribed for me, along with prednisone (after I got out of the hospital), IV Solu-Medrol (steroid), Levaquin (an antibiotic given by IV while in the hospital and by tablet after I was released), Entex LA (decongestant with one of the side effects being insomnia), humabid (can't find a thing about that one), Pepcid (to counteract the stomach problems of taking the prednisone), Phenergan (to counteract the stomach nausea from the Levaquin), Atrovent (a bronchial dilator that I use with a breathing machine 3-4 times a day), Max-Air Inhaler, Aerobid Inhaler (steroid), Klonopin, prescribed to help me sleep and try and calm my legs (my doctor -pulmonary- is familiar with RLS), Ambien, plus my RLS meds on top of all of that, of which I have changed recently (about a week ago). I guess that is enough to really screw anybody up, plus not feeling well for so long, being off of work for 5 weeks and stuck in the house, I guess I could go on and on.....but I won't. I have stopped the Vicodin and Valium (for RLS) and now am trying a new combination of Ultram and Prosom, which, amazingly, seems to be working, with little or no side effects. My sleep schedule got really messed up while I was in the hospital, you know those people won't let you sleep at night, don't give a darn whether you sleep all day, but wait until after midnight, they're in there like vultures, checking vitals, drawing blood, giving breathing treatments, etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about hospital employees, they're just doing their job, just like I do mine, but it really messed me up. By the time I got home, I was staying up all night and sleeping most of the day and I'm still trying to get things straightened out. I made a stupid mistake the other night. I hadn't been taking the Entex LA because I wasn't having alot of problems with sinus congestion, until Saturday. I got the prescription filled (I had been using samples and didn't have any information on the drug prior to that), got home and took one at 9pm. Well, needless to say, I was wired for sound within an hour, and this was after taking my RLS meds. Got to reading the pamphlet that came with the drug and one of the side effects of this drug is insomnia. Well, an insomnia, such as myself, doesn't take a drug that has a side effect of sleep disturbances or insomnia, but it was too late, and this is a 12 hour drug. Needless to say, because of the antihistamine in the drug, I wound up in the tub soaking at 2:30, I went to bed at 2:00am. Tried to go back to sleep after the RLS eased up, no dice there, wide awake, so I was up the rest of the night, morning and all day Sunday with no sleep. By last night, I was a walking zombie, but still couldn't get to sleep until almost midnight, and had to be up at 5:30 this morning to go to work. Well, it finally hit me at 2:30 this afternoon, I fell asleep at my desk. I guess I'm extremely fortunate to have a great boss who is concerned about me getting well. He is very aware of how sick I've been and how extremely weak and tired I still am, although that is getting better, slowly by surely. Anyway, to get back to the depression end of this conversation, for the last few weeks, starting with the day I was admitted to the hospital, January 25th, I have been heading downhill. At this point, I don't think I've ever been as low as I am right now. I know it's got to do with the meds, being off work, worried about bills, etc., and how I'm going to pay them after missing so much work, not being able to work a full week yet, etc., but this has got to stop. I'm having some feelings that I don't like lately, but I don't know what to do about it. I can't take any anti-depressants that I'm aware of, as all of the ones that were prescribed for me by my original doctor 4.5 years ago after being diagnosed with RLS caused drowsiness (which was why she prescribed them), but aggravated the RLS worse than it was before I took them. I did purchase some St. 's Wort yesterday and I'm giving it a shot, as I have head alot of good things about it. I just hope that it doesn't interact in a bad way with any of the other meds that I'm on. At the present, I'm taking the prednisone (got 4 more days of it), Ultram (50 mg at bedtime), Prosom (2 mg at bedtime), using the Atrovent breathing machine 3 times a day, MaxAir inhaler as needed and the Aerobid inhaler twice a day. If anybody knows of any interactions or anything that I should know about St. 's Wort, I'd appreciate the information. I apologize for the length of this letter and commend all of you that made it to the end. It's been quite some time since I've written in to the group, I guess I haven't been using this support group for what it's purpose is....lol....and I'm the one that administers it. Kind of crazy, huh? Guess that shows what kind of shape I'm in. Restful Nights to All, Jodi P.S. It does feel a little better getting some of this off of my chest and if there is anybody out there that can share any information on any of this, I'd appreciate it, as I'm at my wit's end, and not sure which way to turn any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 1999 Report Share Posted March 8, 1999 Hi Group: I guess this is a response to all of the messages that I have been reading lately about depression (and I apologize at the beginning for the length of it). It seems to be going rampant in this group lately, including myself!! Between being sick since before Christmas with one thing or another, stomach bug, pneumonia, upper respiratory infection, acute bronchitis and a sinus infection (the last four all at the same time, for those of you that have joined the group lately), I have been pumped with so many medications that I don't know which end is up anymore. As a lot of us have discussed in the past, antihistamines (most of them) due tend to aggravate RLS, and due to the nature of my health problems, that is one type of drug that has been prescribed for me, along with prednisone (after I got out of the hospital), IV Solu-Medrol (steroid), Levaquin (an antibiotic given by IV while in the hospital and by tablet after I was released), Entex LA (decongestant with one of the side effects being insomnia), humabid (can't find a thing about that one), Pepcid (to counteract the stomach problems of taking the prednisone), Phenergan (to counteract the stomach nausea from the Levaquin), Atrovent (a bronchial dilator that I use with a breathing machine 3-4 times a day), Max-Air Inhaler, Aerobid Inhaler (steroid), Klonopin, prescribed to help me sleep and try and calm my legs (my doctor -pulmonary- is familiar with RLS), Ambien, plus my RLS meds on top of all of that, of which I have changed recently (about a week ago). I guess that is enough to really screw anybody up, plus not feeling well for so long, being off of work for 5 weeks and stuck in the house, I guess I could go on and on.....but I won't. I have stopped the Vicodin and Valium (for RLS) and now am trying a new combination of Ultram and Prosom, which, amazingly, seems to be working, with little or no side effects. My sleep schedule got really messed up while I was in the hospital, you know those people won't let you sleep at night, don't give a darn whether you sleep all day, but wait until after midnight, they're in there like vultures, checking vitals, drawing blood, giving breathing treatments, etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about hospital employees, they're just doing their job, just like I do mine, but it really messed me up. By the time I got home, I was staying up all night and sleeping most of the day and I'm still trying to get things straightened out. I made a stupid mistake the other night. I hadn't been taking the Entex LA because I wasn't having alot of problems with sinus congestion, until Saturday. I got the prescription filled (I had been using samples and didn't have any information on the drug prior to that), got home and took one at 9pm. Well, needless to say, I was wired for sound within an hour, and this was after taking my RLS meds. Got to reading the pamphlet that came with the drug and one of the side effects of this drug is insomnia. Well, an insomnia, such as myself, doesn't take a drug that has a side effect of sleep disturbances or insomnia, but it was too late, and this is a 12 hour drug. Needless to say, because of the antihistamine in the drug, I wound up in the tub soaking at 2:30, I went to bed at 2:00am. Tried to go back to sleep after the RLS eased up, no dice there, wide awake, so I was up the rest of the night, morning and all day Sunday with no sleep. By last night, I was a walking zombie, but still couldn't get to sleep until almost midnight, and had to be up at 5:30 this morning to go to work. Well, it finally hit me at 2:30 this afternoon, I fell asleep at my desk. I guess I'm extremely fortunate to have a great boss who is concerned about me getting well. He is very aware of how sick I've been and how extremely weak and tired I still am, although that is getting better, slowly by surely. Anyway, to get back to the depression end of this conversation, for the last few weeks, starting with the day I was admitted to the hospital, January 25th, I have been heading downhill. At this point, I don't think I've ever been as low as I am right now. I know it's got to do with the meds, being off work, worried about bills, etc., and how I'm going to pay them after missing so much work, not being able to work a full week yet, etc., but this has got to stop. I'm having some feelings that I don't like lately, but I don't know what to do about it. I can't take any anti-depressants that I'm aware of, as all of the ones that were prescribed for me by my original doctor 4.5 years ago after being diagnosed with RLS caused drowsiness (which was why she prescribed them), but aggravated the RLS worse than it was before I took them. I did purchase some St. 's Wort yesterday and I'm giving it a shot, as I have head alot of good things about it. I just hope that it doesn't interact in a bad way with any of the other meds that I'm on. At the present, I'm taking the prednisone (got 4 more days of it), Ultram (50 mg at bedtime), Prosom (2 mg at bedtime), using the Atrovent breathing machine 3 times a day, MaxAir inhaler as needed and the Aerobid inhaler twice a day. If anybody knows of any interactions or anything that I should know about St. 's Wort, I'd appreciate the information. I apologize for the length of this letter and commend all of you that made it to the end. It's been quite some time since I've written in to the group, I guess I haven't been using this support group for what it's purpose is....lol....and I'm the one that administers it. Kind of crazy, huh? Guess that shows what kind of shape I'm in. Restful Nights to All, Jodi P.S. It does feel a little better getting some of this off of my chest and if there is anybody out there that can share any information on any of this, I'd appreciate it, as I'm at my wit's end, and not sure which way to turn any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 1999 Report Share Posted March 9, 1999 Kim, Thanks for the suggestion, but, yes I have tried St. 's Wort. I know that it has done wonders for others, but it only made me very nervous and irritable. Getting off of it was an equally bad experience. I have stopped anti-depressants before for one reason or another and never had such a bad experience as I did with the St. s. So that's my story for that. It's wonderful that it works so well for others. I often find meds work TOTALLY different on me than they do on most folks. Again, thanks for the concern and thoughtful suggestion. Ninette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 1999 Report Share Posted March 9, 1999 Kim, Thanks for the suggestion, but, yes I have tried St. 's Wort. I know that it has done wonders for others, but it only made me very nervous and irritable. Getting off of it was an equally bad experience. I have stopped anti-depressants before for one reason or another and never had such a bad experience as I did with the St. s. So that's my story for that. It's wonderful that it works so well for others. I often find meds work TOTALLY different on me than they do on most folks. Again, thanks for the concern and thoughtful suggestion. Ninette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 1999 Report Share Posted March 9, 1999 Kim, Thanks for the suggestion, but, yes I have tried St. 's Wort. I know that it has done wonders for others, but it only made me very nervous and irritable. Getting off of it was an equally bad experience. I have stopped anti-depressants before for one reason or another and never had such a bad experience as I did with the St. s. So that's my story for that. It's wonderful that it works so well for others. I often find meds work TOTALLY different on me than they do on most folks. Again, thanks for the concern and thoughtful suggestion. Ninette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 In a message dated 4/1/99 1:26:12 AM !!!First Boot!!!, jrobbins@... writes: << we're here to try to keep each other from sinking into clinical depression, >> Going to step on a limb on this one but I would humbly submit to the group that RLS does NOT cause depression per se! Depression is a psychiatric disorder. Yes, suffering from a chronic, disabling syndrome (?illness) can be depressing; however, sleep deprivation does NOT cause depression by itself. People suffering from RLS have many symptoms that " look like " depression. For myself, I was a very " happy " guy for many decades as I suffered in silence with my RLS. Lack of sleep worked for well for my professional work and my workaholic lifestyle. When I was diagnosed with RLS and started on Klonopin, THEN I became depressed! Thank you very much! I went from a " happy " caffeine-addicted sleep-deprived sort of guy to a " depressed " caffeine-free well-rested sort of guy. Now, with my Permax & Ambien & C-PAP machine & Indocin-SR along with my valerian root, magnesium, honey & apple cider vinegar & Canadian Club sodium- free soda & caffeine-free diet Coke & buttock-massaging wife & so forth & so on............. I am a very happy guy! whew! RAINBOWPED@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 1999 Report Share Posted March 31, 1999 In a message dated 4/1/99 1:26:12 AM !!!First Boot!!!, jrobbins@... writes: << we're here to try to keep each other from sinking into clinical depression, >> Going to step on a limb on this one but I would humbly submit to the group that RLS does NOT cause depression per se! Depression is a psychiatric disorder. Yes, suffering from a chronic, disabling syndrome (?illness) can be depressing; however, sleep deprivation does NOT cause depression by itself. People suffering from RLS have many symptoms that " look like " depression. For myself, I was a very " happy " guy for many decades as I suffered in silence with my RLS. Lack of sleep worked for well for my professional work and my workaholic lifestyle. When I was diagnosed with RLS and started on Klonopin, THEN I became depressed! Thank you very much! I went from a " happy " caffeine-addicted sleep-deprived sort of guy to a " depressed " caffeine-free well-rested sort of guy. Now, with my Permax & Ambien & C-PAP machine & Indocin-SR along with my valerian root, magnesium, honey & apple cider vinegar & Canadian Club sodium- free soda & caffeine-free diet Coke & buttock-massaging wife & so forth & so on............. I am a very happy guy! whew! RAINBOWPED@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 1999 Report Share Posted April 1, 1999 I bow to your greater knowledge on matters depression wise. Now I've sunk into the depths due to my ignorance about depression. I'm going downstairs and make a pot of good hot tea to cheer myself up. May even have some nice hot cinnamon raisin toast with honey to top it off. There I'm feeling better already. Damn the RLS FULL SPEED AHEAD!!!!!! CHEERS and Have a real Great Day!! Jeanne and Mr. Biggles in Poultney VT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 1999 Report Share Posted April 1, 1999 ! Happy 440th!!!!!!!!!!! I've had thought often since I joined the group about the depression some suffer and have wondered if the medication or mixture of medications could be the cause or part of the cause of the depression. My father took medication for some months to help relieve some indigestion he developed after every meal. He became VERY depressed - very unlike him and it was finally determined to be caused by the medication and he was taken off it - he returned to normal and they prescribed another drug for his indigestion. Just some thoughts here. By the way - what is " sleep hygiene " ? I have never heard that phrase. Lynn GA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 1999 Report Share Posted April 1, 1999 Hi , Just asking for clarification, I'm not sure what you were trying to say. >>Going to step on a limb on this one but I would humbly submit to the group >>that RLS does NOT cause depression per se! Depression is a psychiatric >>disorder. By saying depression is a " psychiatric " disorder, are you saying that it isn't physiological? >Yes, suffering from a chronic, disabling syndrome (?illness) can be >>depressing; however, sleep deprivation does NOT cause depression by itself. >>People suffering from RLS have many symptoms that " look like " depression. It may not in and of itself " cause " depression, but because of the phsyological changes that your body is going through, doesn't that affect>the chemistry of your brain.....dopamine etc. By saying it is a psychiatric disorder only seems to dismiss the chemical causes of clinical depression. Cindy I >>For myself, I was a very " happy " guy for many decades as I suffered in >silence >>with my RLS. Lack of sleep worked for well for my professional work and my >>workaholic lifestyle. When I was diagnosed with RLS and started on >Klonopin, >>THEN I became depressed! Thank you very much! I went from a " happy " >>caffeine-addicted sleep-deprived sort of guy to a " depressed " caffeine-free >>well-rested sort of guy. >>Now, with my Permax & Ambien & C-PAP machine & Indocin-SR along with my >>valerian root, magnesium, honey & apple cider vinegar & Canadian Club >sodium- >>free soda & caffeine-free diet Coke & buttock-massaging wife & so forth & >so >>on............. >>I am a very happy guy! whew! >> >>RAINBOWPED@... >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Ideas on how we can improve ONElist? >>http://www.onelist.com >>Check out the Suggestion Box feature on our new web site >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>This forum is for support only. The information posted to this List is for >support purposes >>and is not intended to replace the examination, diagnosis and treatment of >a licensed >>physician and no such claims are inferred. >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 1999 Report Share Posted April 2, 1999 In a message dated 4/1/99 11:35:31 PM !!!First Boot!!!, hilltop@... writes: << By saying depression is a " psychiatric " disorder, are you saying that it isn't physiological? >> Well, there are many types of depression; however, the real point that I was trying to express was that I think many, many people suffering from RLS are " misdiagnosed " as being " depressed " and do not receive the correct treatment for their " true " underlying problem. In fact, some medications prescribed for depression might actually make one's RLS worse which only exacerbates the " clinical " depression symptoms and it becomes a " vicious " cycle with both the patient and the doctor becoming frustrated and such. RAINBOWPED@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 1999 Report Share Posted April 2, 1999 No...I'm not trying to split hairs. It's just that it's not any more physiological for many people than RLS or Diabetes or any other physiological illness. It is chemical related. And many people don't treat it because they think it is just psychological. If someone says your RLS is psychological you would want to clarify that thought. I'm not trying to cause problem...it's just that for those of us who have had real clinical depression and know the affect of those chemicals on our brain, know it's not just mental. Cindy Re: Depression >>>Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:34:39 -0800 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Hi , >>> >>>Just asking for clarification, I'm not sure what you were trying to >>say. >>> >>>>>Going to step on a limb on this one but I would humbly submit to the >>group >>>>>that RLS does NOT cause depression per se! Depression is a >>psychiatric >>>>>disorder. >>> >>> >>>By saying depression is a " psychiatric " disorder, are you saying that >>it >>>isn't physiological? >>> >>>>Yes, suffering from a chronic, disabling syndrome (?illness) can be >>>>>depressing; however, sleep deprivation does NOT cause depression by >>>itself. >>>>>People suffering from RLS have many symptoms that " look like " >>depression. >>> >>>It may not in and of itself " cause " depression, but because of the >>>phsyological changes that your body is going through, doesn't that >>>affect>the chemistry of your brain.....dopamine etc. By saying it is a >>>psychiatric >>>disorder only seems to dismiss the chemical causes of clinical >>depression. >>> >>> >>>Cindy >>> >>>I >>> >>>>>For myself, I was a very " happy " guy for many decades as I suffered >>in >>>>silence >>>>>with my RLS. Lack of sleep worked for well for my professional work >>and >>>my >>>>>workaholic lifestyle. When I was diagnosed with RLS and started on >>>>Klonopin, >>>>>THEN I became depressed! Thank you very much! I went from a " happy " >>>>>caffeine-addicted sleep-deprived sort of guy to a " depressed " >>>caffeine-free >>>>>well-rested sort of guy. >>>>>Now, with my Permax & Ambien & C-PAP machine & Indocin-SR along with >>my >>>>>valerian root, magnesium, honey & apple cider vinegar & Canadian Club >>>>sodium- >>>>>free soda & caffeine-free diet Coke & buttock-massaging wife & so >>forth & >>>>so >>>>>on............. >>>>>I am a very happy guy! whew! >>>>> >>>>>RAINBOWPED@... >>>>> >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- - >>>>>Ideas on how we can improve ONElist? >>>>>http://www.onelist.com >>>>>Check out the Suggestion Box feature on our new web site >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- - >>>>>This forum is for support only. The information posted to this List >>is >>>for >>>>support purposes >>>>>and is not intended to replace the examination, diagnosis and >>treatment of >>>>a licensed >>>>>physician and no such claims are inferred. >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>We have a new web site! >>>http://www.onelist.com >>>Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>This forum is for support only. The information posted to this List is >>for support purposes >>>and is not intended to replace the examination, diagnosis and treatment >>of a licensed >>>physician and no such claims are inferred. >> >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 1999 Report Share Posted April 2, 1999 No...I'm not trying to split hairs. It's just that it's not any more physiological for many people than RLS or Diabetes or any other physiological illness. It is chemical related. And many people don't treat it because they think it is just psychological. If someone says your RLS is psychological you would want to clarify that thought. I'm not trying to cause problem...it's just that for those of us who have had real clinical depression and know the affect of those chemicals on our brain, know it's not just mental. Cindy Re: Depression >>>Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:34:39 -0800 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Hi , >>> >>>Just asking for clarification, I'm not sure what you were trying to >>say. >>> >>>>>Going to step on a limb on this one but I would humbly submit to the >>group >>>>>that RLS does NOT cause depression per se! Depression is a >>psychiatric >>>>>disorder. >>> >>> >>>By saying depression is a " psychiatric " disorder, are you saying that >>it >>>isn't physiological? >>> >>>>Yes, suffering from a chronic, disabling syndrome (?illness) can be >>>>>depressing; however, sleep deprivation does NOT cause depression by >>>itself. >>>>>People suffering from RLS have many symptoms that " look like " >>depression. >>> >>>It may not in and of itself " cause " depression, but because of the >>>phsyological changes that your body is going through, doesn't that >>>affect>the chemistry of your brain.....dopamine etc. By saying it is a >>>psychiatric >>>disorder only seems to dismiss the chemical causes of clinical >>depression. >>> >>> >>>Cindy >>> >>>I >>> >>>>>For myself, I was a very " happy " guy for many decades as I suffered >>in >>>>silence >>>>>with my RLS. Lack of sleep worked for well for my professional work >>and >>>my >>>>>workaholic lifestyle. When I was diagnosed with RLS and started on >>>>Klonopin, >>>>>THEN I became depressed! Thank you very much! I went from a " happy " >>>>>caffeine-addicted sleep-deprived sort of guy to a " depressed " >>>caffeine-free >>>>>well-rested sort of guy. >>>>>Now, with my Permax & Ambien & C-PAP machine & Indocin-SR along with >>my >>>>>valerian root, magnesium, honey & apple cider vinegar & Canadian Club >>>>sodium- >>>>>free soda & caffeine-free diet Coke & buttock-massaging wife & so >>forth & >>>>so >>>>>on............. >>>>>I am a very happy guy! whew! >>>>> >>>>>RAINBOWPED@... >>>>> >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- - >>>>>Ideas on how we can improve ONElist? >>>>>http://www.onelist.com >>>>>Check out the Suggestion Box feature on our new web site >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- - >>>>>This forum is for support only. The information posted to this List >>is >>>for >>>>support purposes >>>>>and is not intended to replace the examination, diagnosis and >>treatment of >>>>a licensed >>>>>physician and no such claims are inferred. >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>We have a new web site! >>>http://www.onelist.com >>>Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>This forum is for support only. The information posted to this List is >>for support purposes >>>and is not intended to replace the examination, diagnosis and treatment >>of a licensed >>>physician and no such claims are inferred. >> >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 1999 Report Share Posted April 2, 1999 Hi Cindy, Mike, and all, This depression debate is very interesting to me, because I've lived in fear for as long as I can remember of having it strike. My mother was clinically depressed off and on all during her adult life. My father, who would never talk about it, just acted depressed and angry all the time. My brother attempted suicide twice, that I know about. My father had PLMD, my mother neither RLS or PLMD, and my brother neither. I have RLS with a vengeance, haven't had a decent night's sleep in years, and SO FAR, (knock wood), have not experienced this black hole, as my mother used to describe it. BTW, if some forms of depression are " clinical " , does this mean it shows up in some kind of specific test? I always thought that's what " clinical " meant, when it was used to describe other illnesses. If it doesn't, then how is diagnosed and differentiated from any other type of depression? It only makes a difference to me in alleviating my anxiety about my family history as it pertains to me. Can I prevent it by doing all the stuff I do now - jogging, lots of diversions, volunteer work, trying to put a positive spin on things, refusing the label victim, on and on ad nauseum. I know at least one person who thinks I am in denial, hiding my head in the sand, and putting on a happy front that is unrealistic. I'm off from school this week, and probably have too much time to think, but I would appreciate any feed back. Also, entirely off topic, I love all the tons of e-mail, because it is one of my diversions, both for RLS and the effort to never be as miserable as so many I have loved. ne, 59, Lawrenceville, NJ ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 1999 Report Share Posted April 2, 1999 Hi Cindy, Mike, and all, This depression debate is very interesting to me, because I've lived in fear for as long as I can remember of having it strike. My mother was clinically depressed off and on all during her adult life. My father, who would never talk about it, just acted depressed and angry all the time. My brother attempted suicide twice, that I know about. My father had PLMD, my mother neither RLS or PLMD, and my brother neither. I have RLS with a vengeance, haven't had a decent night's sleep in years, and SO FAR, (knock wood), have not experienced this black hole, as my mother used to describe it. BTW, if some forms of depression are " clinical " , does this mean it shows up in some kind of specific test? I always thought that's what " clinical " meant, when it was used to describe other illnesses. If it doesn't, then how is diagnosed and differentiated from any other type of depression? It only makes a difference to me in alleviating my anxiety about my family history as it pertains to me. Can I prevent it by doing all the stuff I do now - jogging, lots of diversions, volunteer work, trying to put a positive spin on things, refusing the label victim, on and on ad nauseum. I know at least one person who thinks I am in denial, hiding my head in the sand, and putting on a happy front that is unrealistic. I'm off from school this week, and probably have too much time to think, but I would appreciate any feed back. Also, entirely off topic, I love all the tons of e-mail, because it is one of my diversions, both for RLS and the effort to never be as miserable as so many I have loved. ne, 59, Lawrenceville, NJ ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 1999 Report Share Posted April 2, 1999 Hi Cindy, Mike, and all, This depression debate is very interesting to me, because I've lived in fear for as long as I can remember of having it strike. My mother was clinically depressed off and on all during her adult life. My father, who would never talk about it, just acted depressed and angry all the time. My brother attempted suicide twice, that I know about. My father had PLMD, my mother neither RLS or PLMD, and my brother neither. I have RLS with a vengeance, haven't had a decent night's sleep in years, and SO FAR, (knock wood), have not experienced this black hole, as my mother used to describe it. BTW, if some forms of depression are " clinical " , does this mean it shows up in some kind of specific test? I always thought that's what " clinical " meant, when it was used to describe other illnesses. If it doesn't, then how is diagnosed and differentiated from any other type of depression? It only makes a difference to me in alleviating my anxiety about my family history as it pertains to me. Can I prevent it by doing all the stuff I do now - jogging, lots of diversions, volunteer work, trying to put a positive spin on things, refusing the label victim, on and on ad nauseum. I know at least one person who thinks I am in denial, hiding my head in the sand, and putting on a happy front that is unrealistic. I'm off from school this week, and probably have too much time to think, but I would appreciate any feed back. Also, entirely off topic, I love all the tons of e-mail, because it is one of my diversions, both for RLS and the effort to never be as miserable as so many I have loved. ne, 59, Lawrenceville, NJ ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2000 Report Share Posted May 22, 2000 I have always had bouts of depression all my life even when I was a kid.....the worst was when I was a teenager and no I don't really think the CMT has had much to do with mine ...more like medications and age.........LOL!! don't want to get old!! Cathy CSCluv** http://community.webtv.net/cat926/CATHYSCOOLCATCORNER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 Gretchen, Thank-you, and I agree sleep in quite benefical. It's strange that, as I read the mail, I find soooo many similairities between myself and the others that write messages.... You are all beautiful people,............ so am I. May Love and Compassion be your companion through life, Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 In a message dated 4/20/2002 7:22:19 AM US Mountain Standard Time, pancreatitis writes: > Dear , I am so thankful for your " cure " of depression. You are so right - we need to rid ourselves of ANY negativity, whether it be friends, job, even family. We have to focus on positive energy to cope - no BEAT - this disease. Our collective souls ( sorry to use a trite phrase - but it really fits our group in my mind) is the BEST support we can get. NO ONE UNDERSTANDS like my friends in PAI. Even though I have many days without pain/attacks and am able to function in a " normal " way with a job/activities, I still need this positive force to keep me focused on what I need to do to have longevity and be steadfast when the times are bad with this disease. Cecilia Cecilia soce@... Mesa, Arizona Arizona Chapter Representative Pancreatitis Association International http://pancassociation.org/storieshome.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2002 Report Share Posted May 28, 2002 This was posted on PIEN: Depression associated with subsequent risk for Parkinson's disease Last Updated: 2002-05-27 16:00:11 -0400 NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - A diagnosis of depression is associated with a three-fold higher incidence of Parkinson's disease, Dutch investigators report in the May 28th issue of Neurology. The study authors suggest that depression may actually represent the first clinical manifestation of Parkinson's disease. Dr. Marjan van den Akker, of Maastricht University, and colleagues searched the Registration Network Family Practices (RNH) database for patients diagnosed between 1975 and 1990 with depressive disorder or affective psychosis. They identified 1,358 subjects diagnosed for the first time after the age of 19. The investigators matched the depressed subjects with a reference group of 67,570 nondepressed subjects with the same year of birth. By the year 2000, Parkinson's disease was diagnosed in 278 subjects, including 1.4% of those with a history of depression and 0.4% of the reference group. After correcting for age, sex, and socioeconomic status, the hazard ratio for Parkinson's disease was 3.13 for the depressed individuals compared with the nondepressed subjects. Dr. van den Akker's team theorizes that reduced serotonin activity, as a compensatory mechanism for a reduction in dopamine activity, exists before the onset of motor symptoms in patients with PD. Thus, these patients may have a biologic vulnerability to depression. Neurology 2002;58:1501-1504. Copyright 2002 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. http://www.reutershealth.com/archive/2002/05/27/professional/links/20020527e pid005.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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