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You know I've noticed that depression IS a big pain to many in the group who

are grappling with awful RLS problems to boot. I've been wondering though,

has anyone received any truly long lasting relief through professional help

other than constant medication to dull it? Has anyone been armed with a way

out of a period of depression without having to go back for continuing

counseling etc. I mean is there a cure or is it like RLS, something one has

to battle indefinitely?

Cheers and prayers,

Jeanne and Mr. Biggles in Poultney VT

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Jeanne,

Depression often runs in families, even different types of

depression may be present in one family, such as " regular " depression

and bipolar disorder(manic depressive). Medications that truly help do

not " dull " anything. They work on increasing the effects of the

neurotransmiters just like some folks who have diabetes take insulin

because their bodies don't produce enough. those of us who are prone to

depression must take meds which get our bodies back in sync. I imagine

there are some folks who never stop taking anti-depressants,

just like many of us will never be able to stop taking meds for our RLS.

I was able to stop for about a year, but realized I was getting in

trouble again and went to my doc who is trying me on a new med that

hopefuly will not mess with the RLS like the others have. When I am

" able " and the weather is " friendly " , I will make sure I get back to

running. That's the best med I've ever had for my depression. It's not

possible though to make yourself get out and exercise if you're already

in the " GRIP " of

severe depresion. Once you get help and are able to see things in a

positive way again, and actually have hope for tomorrow, then it is

important to do whatever is good for " you "

to keep your mental health in balance. Didn't mean for this to be so

long. I just got carried away - Sorry.

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I have been on and off anti-depressants since 1995. I was on them for 2

years straight and at that time, the Dr.'s told me I may need them the

rest of my life. I don't go to counseling anymore, the issues that

brought on the major depression are over with and long gone. But I

notice in the winter months, I start getting down and nothing will pull

me out, usually by xmas I am starting my crying jags. Part of my problem

is SAD (seasonal affective disorder) or lack of sunshine in the winter.

My currant Dr. does not want me to go off the anti depressants for

several months yet, maybe not at all. At first I was really upset at the

thought of being on meds for this and felt like I should be able to " kick

it " the fact is that I am now resigned to possibly having to take this

med all the time, it's much better than living in that black hole day

after day, not even getting to enjoy the simple things in life because it

requires to much energy. Incidentally, my RLS/PLMD got MUCH worse after

my depression hit, and even though it still bothers me now, I must say

since the Dr. increased my zoloft I am sleeping better, I still have to

take the xanax to quite my legs, but I am functioning better during the

day and not waking up feeling like a zombie all day. Coincidence? I

don't know.. Time will tell I guess.

Debbie

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Jodi,

It is frightening to read all of the medications you were and are still

taking. I wonder if you could (after talking to your doctor of course ) stop

all but the antibiotics and steroids - those to actually stop the illness.

The others seem to me to be treating symptoms - the sinus congestion, upset

stomach. Please Jodi, I am not taking this lightly and understand that the

symptoms are probably miserable. I am just stunned at all that you are

taking. Several years ago my father was prescribed a medication for acid

indigestion that he suffered after every meal. Soon after he started taking

the medication, he became very depressed, very unlike him. This went on for

several weeks and we were all very scared and watched him very closely.

Finally, my mother began to question the medication and yes, lo and behold , a

side effect was depression and he was taken off the medication and gradually

returned ot normal. I would check each medication you have taken or are

taking for that side effect even the ones you take for upset stomach. My

husband has been prescribed Entex in the past. He sleeps like a baby on it.

I have tried it and am up all night with bad RLS and wide-awake. I hate the

stuff. Sorry if I sound preachy, but it is worrisome.

Please take care.

Lynn, Ga.

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Jodi,

It is frightening to read all of the medications you were and are still

taking. I wonder if you could (after talking to your doctor of course ) stop

all but the antibiotics and steroids - those to actually stop the illness.

The others seem to me to be treating symptoms - the sinus congestion, upset

stomach. Please Jodi, I am not taking this lightly and understand that the

symptoms are probably miserable. I am just stunned at all that you are

taking. Several years ago my father was prescribed a medication for acid

indigestion that he suffered after every meal. Soon after he started taking

the medication, he became very depressed, very unlike him. This went on for

several weeks and we were all very scared and watched him very closely.

Finally, my mother began to question the medication and yes, lo and behold , a

side effect was depression and he was taken off the medication and gradually

returned ot normal. I would check each medication you have taken or are

taking for that side effect even the ones you take for upset stomach. My

husband has been prescribed Entex in the past. He sleeps like a baby on it.

I have tried it and am up all night with bad RLS and wide-awake. I hate the

stuff. Sorry if I sound preachy, but it is worrisome.

Please take care.

Lynn, Ga.

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Hi Group:

I guess this is a response to all of the messages that I have been reading

lately about depression (and I apologize at the beginning for the length of

it). It seems to be going rampant in this group lately, including myself!!

Between being sick since before Christmas with one thing or another, stomach

bug, pneumonia, upper respiratory infection, acute bronchitis and a sinus

infection (the last four all at the same time, for those of you that have

joined the group lately), I have been pumped with so many medications that I

don't know which end is up anymore.

As a lot of us have discussed in the past, antihistamines (most of them) due

tend to aggravate RLS, and due to the nature of my health problems, that is

one type of drug that has been prescribed for me, along with prednisone

(after I got out of the hospital), IV Solu-Medrol (steroid), Levaquin (an

antibiotic given by IV while in the hospital and by tablet after I was

released), Entex LA (decongestant with one of the side effects being

insomnia), humabid (can't find a thing about that one), Pepcid (to

counteract the stomach problems of taking the prednisone), Phenergan (to

counteract the stomach nausea from the Levaquin), Atrovent (a bronchial

dilator that I use with a breathing machine 3-4 times a day), Max-Air

Inhaler, Aerobid Inhaler (steroid), Klonopin, prescribed to help me sleep

and try and calm my legs (my doctor -pulmonary- is familiar with RLS),

Ambien, plus my RLS meds on top of all of that, of which I have changed

recently (about a week ago). I guess that is enough to really screw anybody

up, plus not feeling well for so long, being off of work for 5 weeks and

stuck in the house, I guess I could go on and on.....but I won't. I have

stopped the Vicodin and Valium (for RLS) and now am trying a new combination

of Ultram and Prosom, which, amazingly, seems to be working, with little or

no side effects.

My sleep schedule got really messed up while I was in the hospital, you know

those people won't let you sleep at night, don't give a darn whether you

sleep all day, but wait until after midnight, they're in there like

vultures, checking vitals, drawing blood, giving breathing treatments, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about hospital employees, they're

just doing their job, just like I do mine, but it really messed me up. By

the time I got home, I was staying up all night and sleeping most of the day

and I'm still trying to get things straightened out. I made a stupid mistake

the other night. I hadn't been taking the Entex LA because I wasn't having

alot of problems with sinus congestion, until Saturday. I got the

prescription filled (I had been using samples and didn't have any

information on the drug prior to that), got home and took one at 9pm. Well,

needless to say, I was wired for sound within an hour, and this was after

taking my RLS meds. Got to reading the pamphlet that came with the drug and

one of the side effects of this drug is insomnia. Well, an insomnia, such as

myself, doesn't take a drug that has a side effect of sleep disturbances or

insomnia, but it was too late, and this is a 12 hour drug. Needless to say,

because of the antihistamine in the drug, I wound up in the tub soaking at

2:30, I went to bed at 2:00am. Tried to go back to sleep after the RLS eased

up, no dice there, wide awake, so I was up the rest of the night, morning

and all day Sunday with no sleep. By last night, I was a walking zombie, but

still couldn't get to sleep until almost midnight, and had to be up at 5:30

this morning to go to work. Well, it finally hit me at 2:30 this afternoon,

I fell asleep at my desk. I guess I'm extremely fortunate to have a great

boss who is concerned about me getting well. He is very aware of how sick

I've been and how extremely weak and tired I still am, although that is

getting better, slowly by surely.

Anyway, to get back to the depression end of this conversation, for the last

few weeks, starting with the day I was admitted to the hospital, January

25th, I have been heading downhill. At this point, I don't think I've ever

been as low as I am right now. I know it's got to do with the meds, being

off work, worried about bills, etc., and how I'm going to pay them after

missing so much work, not being able to work a full week yet, etc., but this

has got to stop. I'm having some feelings that I don't like lately, but I

don't know what to do about it. I can't take any anti-depressants that I'm

aware of, as all of the ones that were prescribed for me by my original

doctor 4.5 years ago after being diagnosed with RLS caused drowsiness (which

was why she prescribed them), but aggravated the RLS worse than it was

before I took them. I did purchase some St. 's Wort yesterday and I'm

giving it a shot, as I have head alot of good things about it. I just hope

that it doesn't interact in a bad way with any of the other meds that I'm

on. At the present, I'm taking the prednisone (got 4 more days of it),

Ultram (50 mg at bedtime), Prosom (2 mg at bedtime), using the Atrovent

breathing machine 3 times a day, MaxAir inhaler as needed and the Aerobid

inhaler twice a day. If anybody knows of any interactions or anything that I

should know about St. 's Wort, I'd appreciate the information.

I apologize for the length of this letter and commend all of you that made

it to the end. It's been quite some time since I've written in to the group,

I guess I haven't been using this support group for what it's purpose

is....lol....and I'm the one that administers it. Kind of crazy, huh? Guess

that shows what kind of shape I'm in.

Restful Nights to All,

Jodi

P.S. It does feel a little better getting some of this off of my chest and

if there is anybody out there that can share any information on any of this,

I'd appreciate it, as I'm at my wit's end, and not sure which way to turn

any more.

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Hi Group:

I guess this is a response to all of the messages that I have been reading

lately about depression (and I apologize at the beginning for the length of

it). It seems to be going rampant in this group lately, including myself!!

Between being sick since before Christmas with one thing or another, stomach

bug, pneumonia, upper respiratory infection, acute bronchitis and a sinus

infection (the last four all at the same time, for those of you that have

joined the group lately), I have been pumped with so many medications that I

don't know which end is up anymore.

As a lot of us have discussed in the past, antihistamines (most of them) due

tend to aggravate RLS, and due to the nature of my health problems, that is

one type of drug that has been prescribed for me, along with prednisone

(after I got out of the hospital), IV Solu-Medrol (steroid), Levaquin (an

antibiotic given by IV while in the hospital and by tablet after I was

released), Entex LA (decongestant with one of the side effects being

insomnia), humabid (can't find a thing about that one), Pepcid (to

counteract the stomach problems of taking the prednisone), Phenergan (to

counteract the stomach nausea from the Levaquin), Atrovent (a bronchial

dilator that I use with a breathing machine 3-4 times a day), Max-Air

Inhaler, Aerobid Inhaler (steroid), Klonopin, prescribed to help me sleep

and try and calm my legs (my doctor -pulmonary- is familiar with RLS),

Ambien, plus my RLS meds on top of all of that, of which I have changed

recently (about a week ago). I guess that is enough to really screw anybody

up, plus not feeling well for so long, being off of work for 5 weeks and

stuck in the house, I guess I could go on and on.....but I won't. I have

stopped the Vicodin and Valium (for RLS) and now am trying a new combination

of Ultram and Prosom, which, amazingly, seems to be working, with little or

no side effects.

My sleep schedule got really messed up while I was in the hospital, you know

those people won't let you sleep at night, don't give a darn whether you

sleep all day, but wait until after midnight, they're in there like

vultures, checking vitals, drawing blood, giving breathing treatments, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about hospital employees, they're

just doing their job, just like I do mine, but it really messed me up. By

the time I got home, I was staying up all night and sleeping most of the day

and I'm still trying to get things straightened out. I made a stupid mistake

the other night. I hadn't been taking the Entex LA because I wasn't having

alot of problems with sinus congestion, until Saturday. I got the

prescription filled (I had been using samples and didn't have any

information on the drug prior to that), got home and took one at 9pm. Well,

needless to say, I was wired for sound within an hour, and this was after

taking my RLS meds. Got to reading the pamphlet that came with the drug and

one of the side effects of this drug is insomnia. Well, an insomnia, such as

myself, doesn't take a drug that has a side effect of sleep disturbances or

insomnia, but it was too late, and this is a 12 hour drug. Needless to say,

because of the antihistamine in the drug, I wound up in the tub soaking at

2:30, I went to bed at 2:00am. Tried to go back to sleep after the RLS eased

up, no dice there, wide awake, so I was up the rest of the night, morning

and all day Sunday with no sleep. By last night, I was a walking zombie, but

still couldn't get to sleep until almost midnight, and had to be up at 5:30

this morning to go to work. Well, it finally hit me at 2:30 this afternoon,

I fell asleep at my desk. I guess I'm extremely fortunate to have a great

boss who is concerned about me getting well. He is very aware of how sick

I've been and how extremely weak and tired I still am, although that is

getting better, slowly by surely.

Anyway, to get back to the depression end of this conversation, for the last

few weeks, starting with the day I was admitted to the hospital, January

25th, I have been heading downhill. At this point, I don't think I've ever

been as low as I am right now. I know it's got to do with the meds, being

off work, worried about bills, etc., and how I'm going to pay them after

missing so much work, not being able to work a full week yet, etc., but this

has got to stop. I'm having some feelings that I don't like lately, but I

don't know what to do about it. I can't take any anti-depressants that I'm

aware of, as all of the ones that were prescribed for me by my original

doctor 4.5 years ago after being diagnosed with RLS caused drowsiness (which

was why she prescribed them), but aggravated the RLS worse than it was

before I took them. I did purchase some St. 's Wort yesterday and I'm

giving it a shot, as I have head alot of good things about it. I just hope

that it doesn't interact in a bad way with any of the other meds that I'm

on. At the present, I'm taking the prednisone (got 4 more days of it),

Ultram (50 mg at bedtime), Prosom (2 mg at bedtime), using the Atrovent

breathing machine 3 times a day, MaxAir inhaler as needed and the Aerobid

inhaler twice a day. If anybody knows of any interactions or anything that I

should know about St. 's Wort, I'd appreciate the information.

I apologize for the length of this letter and commend all of you that made

it to the end. It's been quite some time since I've written in to the group,

I guess I haven't been using this support group for what it's purpose

is....lol....and I'm the one that administers it. Kind of crazy, huh? Guess

that shows what kind of shape I'm in.

Restful Nights to All,

Jodi

P.S. It does feel a little better getting some of this off of my chest and

if there is anybody out there that can share any information on any of this,

I'd appreciate it, as I'm at my wit's end, and not sure which way to turn

any more.

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Kim,

Thanks for the suggestion, but, yes I have tried St. 's Wort. I

know that it has done wonders for others, but it only made me very

nervous and irritable. Getting off of it was an

equally bad experience. I have stopped anti-depressants before for one

reason or another and never had such a bad experience

as I did with the St. s. So that's my story for that. It's wonderful

that it works so well for others. I often find meds work TOTALLY

different on me than they do on most folks.

Again, thanks for the concern and thoughtful suggestion.

Ninette

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Kim,

Thanks for the suggestion, but, yes I have tried St. 's Wort. I

know that it has done wonders for others, but it only made me very

nervous and irritable. Getting off of it was an

equally bad experience. I have stopped anti-depressants before for one

reason or another and never had such a bad experience

as I did with the St. s. So that's my story for that. It's wonderful

that it works so well for others. I often find meds work TOTALLY

different on me than they do on most folks.

Again, thanks for the concern and thoughtful suggestion.

Ninette

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Kim,

Thanks for the suggestion, but, yes I have tried St. 's Wort. I

know that it has done wonders for others, but it only made me very

nervous and irritable. Getting off of it was an

equally bad experience. I have stopped anti-depressants before for one

reason or another and never had such a bad experience

as I did with the St. s. So that's my story for that. It's wonderful

that it works so well for others. I often find meds work TOTALLY

different on me than they do on most folks.

Again, thanks for the concern and thoughtful suggestion.

Ninette

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In a message dated 4/1/99 1:26:12 AM !!!First Boot!!!, jrobbins@...

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<< we're here to try to keep each other from sinking into clinical depression,

>>

Going to step on a limb on this one but I would humbly submit to the group

that RLS does NOT cause depression per se! Depression is a psychiatric

disorder.

Yes, suffering from a chronic, disabling syndrome (?illness) can be

depressing; however, sleep deprivation does NOT cause depression by itself.

People suffering from RLS have many symptoms that " look like " depression.

For myself, I was a very " happy " guy for many decades as I suffered in silence

with my RLS. Lack of sleep worked for well for my professional work and my

workaholic lifestyle. When I was diagnosed with RLS and started on Klonopin,

THEN I became depressed! Thank you very much! I went from a " happy "

caffeine-addicted sleep-deprived sort of guy to a " depressed " caffeine-free

well-rested sort of guy.

Now, with my Permax & Ambien & C-PAP machine & Indocin-SR along with my

valerian root, magnesium, honey & apple cider vinegar & Canadian Club sodium-

free soda & caffeine-free diet Coke & buttock-massaging wife & so forth & so

on.............

I am a very happy guy! whew! ;)

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In a message dated 4/1/99 1:26:12 AM !!!First Boot!!!, jrobbins@...

writes:

<< we're here to try to keep each other from sinking into clinical depression,

>>

Going to step on a limb on this one but I would humbly submit to the group

that RLS does NOT cause depression per se! Depression is a psychiatric

disorder.

Yes, suffering from a chronic, disabling syndrome (?illness) can be

depressing; however, sleep deprivation does NOT cause depression by itself.

People suffering from RLS have many symptoms that " look like " depression.

For myself, I was a very " happy " guy for many decades as I suffered in silence

with my RLS. Lack of sleep worked for well for my professional work and my

workaholic lifestyle. When I was diagnosed with RLS and started on Klonopin,

THEN I became depressed! Thank you very much! I went from a " happy "

caffeine-addicted sleep-deprived sort of guy to a " depressed " caffeine-free

well-rested sort of guy.

Now, with my Permax & Ambien & C-PAP machine & Indocin-SR along with my

valerian root, magnesium, honey & apple cider vinegar & Canadian Club sodium-

free soda & caffeine-free diet Coke & buttock-massaging wife & so forth & so

on.............

I am a very happy guy! whew! ;)

RAINBOWPED@...

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I bow to your greater knowledge on matters depression wise. Now I've sunk

into the depths due to my ignorance about depression. I'm going downstairs

and make a pot of good hot tea to cheer myself up. May even have some nice

hot cinnamon raisin toast with honey to top it off. There I'm feeling

better already. Damn the RLS FULL SPEED AHEAD!!!!!!

CHEERS and Have a real Great Day!!

Jeanne and Mr. Biggles in Poultney VT

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! Happy 440th!!!!!!!!!!!

I've had thought often since I joined the group about the depression some

suffer and have wondered if the medication or mixture of medications could be

the cause or part of the cause of the depression. My father took medication

for some months to help relieve some indigestion he developed after every

meal. He became VERY depressed - very unlike him and it was finally

determined to be caused by the medication and he was taken off it - he

returned to normal and they prescribed another drug for his indigestion. Just

some thoughts here.

By the way - what is " sleep hygiene " ? I have never heard that phrase.

Lynn GA.

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Hi ,

Just asking for clarification, I'm not sure what you were trying to say.

>>Going to step on a limb on this one but I would humbly submit to the group

>>that RLS does NOT cause depression per se! Depression is a psychiatric

>>disorder.

By saying depression is a " psychiatric " disorder, are you saying that it

isn't physiological?

>Yes, suffering from a chronic, disabling syndrome (?illness) can be

>>depressing; however, sleep deprivation does NOT cause depression by

itself.

>>People suffering from RLS have many symptoms that " look like " depression.

It may not in and of itself " cause " depression, but because of the

phsyological changes that your body is going through, doesn't that

affect>the chemistry of your brain.....dopamine etc. By saying it is a

psychiatric

disorder only seems to dismiss the chemical causes of clinical depression.

Cindy

I

>>For myself, I was a very " happy " guy for many decades as I suffered in

>silence

>>with my RLS. Lack of sleep worked for well for my professional work and

my

>>workaholic lifestyle. When I was diagnosed with RLS and started on

>Klonopin,

>>THEN I became depressed! Thank you very much! I went from a " happy "

>>caffeine-addicted sleep-deprived sort of guy to a " depressed "

caffeine-free

>>well-rested sort of guy.

>>Now, with my Permax & Ambien & C-PAP machine & Indocin-SR along with my

>>valerian root, magnesium, honey & apple cider vinegar & Canadian Club

>sodium-

>>free soda & caffeine-free diet Coke & buttock-massaging wife & so forth &

>so

>>on.............

>>I am a very happy guy! whew! ;)

>>

>>RAINBOWPED@...

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In a message dated 4/1/99 11:35:31 PM !!!First Boot!!!, hilltop@...

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<< By saying depression is a " psychiatric " disorder, are you saying that it

isn't physiological? >>

Well, there are many types of depression; however, the real point that I was

trying to express was that I think many, many people suffering from RLS are

" misdiagnosed " as being " depressed " and do not receive the correct treatment

for their " true " underlying problem. In fact, some medications prescribed

for depression might actually make one's RLS worse which only exacerbates the

" clinical " depression symptoms and it becomes a " vicious " cycle with both the

patient and the doctor becoming frustrated and such.

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No...I'm not trying to split hairs. It's just that it's not any more

physiological for many people than RLS or Diabetes or any other

physiological illness. It is chemical related. And many people don't treat

it because they think it is just psychological. If someone says your RLS is

psychological you would want to clarify that thought. I'm not trying to

cause

problem...it's just that for those of us who have had real clinical

depression

and know the affect of those chemicals on our brain, know it's not just

mental.

Cindy

Re: Depression

>>>Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:34:39 -0800

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>Hi ,

>>>

>>>Just asking for clarification, I'm not sure what you were trying to

>>say.

>>>

>>>>>Going to step on a limb on this one but I would humbly submit to the

>>group

>>>>>that RLS does NOT cause depression per se! Depression is a

>>psychiatric

>>>>>disorder.

>>>

>>>

>>>By saying depression is a " psychiatric " disorder, are you saying that

>>it

>>>isn't physiological?

>>>

>>>>Yes, suffering from a chronic, disabling syndrome (?illness) can be

>>>>>depressing; however, sleep deprivation does NOT cause depression by

>>>itself.

>>>>>People suffering from RLS have many symptoms that " look like "

>>depression.

>>>

>>>It may not in and of itself " cause " depression, but because of the

>>>phsyological changes that your body is going through, doesn't that

>>>affect>the chemistry of your brain.....dopamine etc. By saying it is a

>>>psychiatric

>>>disorder only seems to dismiss the chemical causes of clinical

>>depression.

>>>

>>>

>>>Cindy

>>>

>>>I

>>>

>>>>>For myself, I was a very " happy " guy for many decades as I suffered

>>in

>>>>silence

>>>>>with my RLS. Lack of sleep worked for well for my professional work

>>and

>>>my

>>>>>workaholic lifestyle. When I was diagnosed with RLS and started on

>>>>Klonopin,

>>>>>THEN I became depressed! Thank you very much! I went from a " happy "

>>>>>caffeine-addicted sleep-deprived sort of guy to a " depressed "

>>>caffeine-free

>>>>>well-rested sort of guy.

>>>>>Now, with my Permax & Ambien & C-PAP machine & Indocin-SR along with

>>my

>>>>>valerian root, magnesium, honey & apple cider vinegar & Canadian Club

>>>>sodium-

>>>>>free soda & caffeine-free diet Coke & buttock-massaging wife & so

>>forth &

>>>>so

>>>>>on.............

>>>>>I am a very happy guy! whew! ;)

>>>>>

>>>>>RAINBOWPED@...

>>>>>

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>>is

>>>for

>>>>support purposes

>>>>>and is not intended to replace the examination, diagnosis and

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No...I'm not trying to split hairs. It's just that it's not any more

physiological for many people than RLS or Diabetes or any other

physiological illness. It is chemical related. And many people don't treat

it because they think it is just psychological. If someone says your RLS is

psychological you would want to clarify that thought. I'm not trying to

cause

problem...it's just that for those of us who have had real clinical

depression

and know the affect of those chemicals on our brain, know it's not just

mental.

Cindy

Re: Depression

>>>Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:34:39 -0800

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>Hi ,

>>>

>>>Just asking for clarification, I'm not sure what you were trying to

>>say.

>>>

>>>>>Going to step on a limb on this one but I would humbly submit to the

>>group

>>>>>that RLS does NOT cause depression per se! Depression is a

>>psychiatric

>>>>>disorder.

>>>

>>>

>>>By saying depression is a " psychiatric " disorder, are you saying that

>>it

>>>isn't physiological?

>>>

>>>>Yes, suffering from a chronic, disabling syndrome (?illness) can be

>>>>>depressing; however, sleep deprivation does NOT cause depression by

>>>itself.

>>>>>People suffering from RLS have many symptoms that " look like "

>>depression.

>>>

>>>It may not in and of itself " cause " depression, but because of the

>>>phsyological changes that your body is going through, doesn't that

>>>affect>the chemistry of your brain.....dopamine etc. By saying it is a

>>>psychiatric

>>>disorder only seems to dismiss the chemical causes of clinical

>>depression.

>>>

>>>

>>>Cindy

>>>

>>>I

>>>

>>>>>For myself, I was a very " happy " guy for many decades as I suffered

>>in

>>>>silence

>>>>>with my RLS. Lack of sleep worked for well for my professional work

>>and

>>>my

>>>>>workaholic lifestyle. When I was diagnosed with RLS and started on

>>>>Klonopin,

>>>>>THEN I became depressed! Thank you very much! I went from a " happy "

>>>>>caffeine-addicted sleep-deprived sort of guy to a " depressed "

>>>caffeine-free

>>>>>well-rested sort of guy.

>>>>>Now, with my Permax & Ambien & C-PAP machine & Indocin-SR along with

>>my

>>>>>valerian root, magnesium, honey & apple cider vinegar & Canadian Club

>>>>sodium-

>>>>>free soda & caffeine-free diet Coke & buttock-massaging wife & so

>>forth &

>>>>so

>>>>>on.............

>>>>>I am a very happy guy! whew! ;)

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Hi Cindy, Mike, and all,

This depression debate is very interesting to me, because I've lived in

fear for as long as I can remember of having it strike. My mother was

clinically depressed off and on all during her adult life. My father,

who would never talk about it, just acted depressed and angry all the

time. My brother attempted suicide twice, that I know about. My father

had PLMD, my mother neither RLS or PLMD, and my brother neither. I have

RLS with a vengeance, haven't had a decent night's sleep in years, and SO

FAR, (knock wood), have not experienced this black hole, as my mother

used to describe it. BTW, if some forms of depression are " clinical " ,

does this mean it shows up in some kind of specific test? I always

thought that's what " clinical " meant, when it was used to describe other

illnesses. If it doesn't, then how is diagnosed and differentiated from

any other type of depression? It only makes a difference to me in

alleviating my anxiety about my family history as it pertains to me. Can

I prevent it by doing all the stuff I do now - jogging, lots of

diversions, volunteer work, trying to put a positive spin on things,

refusing the label victim, on and on ad nauseum. I know at least one

person who thinks I am in denial, hiding my head in the sand, and putting

on a happy front that is unrealistic.

I'm off from school this week, and probably have too much time to think,

but I would appreciate any feed back. Also, entirely off topic, I love

all the tons of e-mail, because it is one of my diversions, both for RLS

and the effort to never be as miserable as so many I have loved.

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Hi Cindy, Mike, and all,

This depression debate is very interesting to me, because I've lived in

fear for as long as I can remember of having it strike. My mother was

clinically depressed off and on all during her adult life. My father,

who would never talk about it, just acted depressed and angry all the

time. My brother attempted suicide twice, that I know about. My father

had PLMD, my mother neither RLS or PLMD, and my brother neither. I have

RLS with a vengeance, haven't had a decent night's sleep in years, and SO

FAR, (knock wood), have not experienced this black hole, as my mother

used to describe it. BTW, if some forms of depression are " clinical " ,

does this mean it shows up in some kind of specific test? I always

thought that's what " clinical " meant, when it was used to describe other

illnesses. If it doesn't, then how is diagnosed and differentiated from

any other type of depression? It only makes a difference to me in

alleviating my anxiety about my family history as it pertains to me. Can

I prevent it by doing all the stuff I do now - jogging, lots of

diversions, volunteer work, trying to put a positive spin on things,

refusing the label victim, on and on ad nauseum. I know at least one

person who thinks I am in denial, hiding my head in the sand, and putting

on a happy front that is unrealistic.

I'm off from school this week, and probably have too much time to think,

but I would appreciate any feed back. Also, entirely off topic, I love

all the tons of e-mail, because it is one of my diversions, both for RLS

and the effort to never be as miserable as so many I have loved.

ne, 59, Lawrenceville, NJ

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Hi Cindy, Mike, and all,

This depression debate is very interesting to me, because I've lived in

fear for as long as I can remember of having it strike. My mother was

clinically depressed off and on all during her adult life. My father,

who would never talk about it, just acted depressed and angry all the

time. My brother attempted suicide twice, that I know about. My father

had PLMD, my mother neither RLS or PLMD, and my brother neither. I have

RLS with a vengeance, haven't had a decent night's sleep in years, and SO

FAR, (knock wood), have not experienced this black hole, as my mother

used to describe it. BTW, if some forms of depression are " clinical " ,

does this mean it shows up in some kind of specific test? I always

thought that's what " clinical " meant, when it was used to describe other

illnesses. If it doesn't, then how is diagnosed and differentiated from

any other type of depression? It only makes a difference to me in

alleviating my anxiety about my family history as it pertains to me. Can

I prevent it by doing all the stuff I do now - jogging, lots of

diversions, volunteer work, trying to put a positive spin on things,

refusing the label victim, on and on ad nauseum. I know at least one

person who thinks I am in denial, hiding my head in the sand, and putting

on a happy front that is unrealistic.

I'm off from school this week, and probably have too much time to think,

but I would appreciate any feed back. Also, entirely off topic, I love

all the tons of e-mail, because it is one of my diversions, both for RLS

and the effort to never be as miserable as so many I have loved.

ne, 59, Lawrenceville, NJ

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Gretchen, Thank-you, and I agree sleep in quite benefical. It's strange

that, as I read the mail, I find soooo many similairities between myself and

the others that write messages.... You are all beautiful people,............

so am I. May Love and Compassion be your companion

through life, Michele

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In a message dated 4/20/2002 7:22:19 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

pancreatitis writes:

>

Dear ,

I am so thankful for your " cure " of depression. You are so right - we need

to rid ourselves of ANY negativity, whether it be friends, job, even family.

We have to focus on positive energy to cope - no BEAT - this disease. Our

collective souls ( sorry to use a trite phrase - but it really fits our group

in my mind) is the BEST support we can get. NO ONE UNDERSTANDS like my

friends in PAI.

Even though I have many days without pain/attacks and am able to function in

a " normal " way with a job/activities, I still need this positive force to

keep me focused on what I need to do to have longevity and be steadfast when

the times are bad with this disease.

Cecilia

Cecilia

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This was posted on PIEN:

Depression associated with subsequent risk for Parkinson's disease

Last Updated: 2002-05-27 16:00:11 -0400 NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - A

diagnosis of depression is associated with a three-fold higher incidence of

Parkinson's disease, Dutch investigators report in the May 28th issue of

Neurology.

The study authors suggest that depression may actually represent the first

clinical manifestation of Parkinson's disease.

Dr. Marjan van den Akker, of Maastricht University, and colleagues searched

the Registration Network Family Practices (RNH) database for patients

diagnosed between 1975 and 1990 with depressive disorder or affective

psychosis.

They identified 1,358 subjects diagnosed for the first time after the age

of 19.

The investigators matched the depressed subjects with a reference group of

67,570 nondepressed subjects with the same year of birth.

By the year 2000, Parkinson's disease was diagnosed in 278 subjects,

including 1.4% of those with a history of depression and 0.4% of the

reference group.

After correcting for age, sex, and socioeconomic status, the hazard ratio

for Parkinson's disease was 3.13 for the depressed individuals compared

with the nondepressed subjects.

Dr. van den Akker's team theorizes that reduced serotonin activity, as a

compensatory mechanism for a reduction in dopamine activity, exists before

the onset of motor symptoms in patients with PD.

Thus, these patients may have a biologic vulnerability to depression.

Neurology 2002;58:1501-1504.

Copyright 2002 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved.

http://www.reutershealth.com/archive/2002/05/27/professional/links/20020527e

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