Re: Another point of view...(Marilyn)

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> I have to disagree with you here.

> If, as diabetics, we go out there and

> carbo load as sports figures do, we

> would certainly be in trouble. Our

> bodies cannot tollerate a huge load

> of carbs.

Nobody said anything about " carboloading "

or " huge load of carbs " , Marilyn. You

appear to me to be arguing against

statements that haven't been made by

anybody.

> This is why I say 45 is a good place

> to start per meal.

OK, but where do you get the " 45 " from?

If I convert that to energy I get:

45 g CHO x 4.2 kcal/g = 189 kcal/meal

from carbohydrates.

If I take 3 meals a day and allow

another 45 g CHO for snacks, etc., I

get 180 grams carbohydrate per day,

which is just about what I am getting

right now and taking the recommended

proportions, 15e% protein, 30e% fat

and 50e% carbohydrate that makes 1500

kcals/day which for me is a gentle

slimming diet - I am just about losing

weight on it, but slowly.

So we are in full agreement so far.

Where we do not seem to be agreeing is

that I take the 45g as an average and

you appear to me to be setting it as a

hard " limit " per meal. Even if I try

hard, I cannot see why breakfast,

lunch, dinner and snacks should all

have the same basic composition limit:

45 g carbohydrates per meal!

For a type 2 diabetic on oral medi-

cation, what would you have against

60 g CHO for breakfast, 50 g CHO for

lunch, 40 g CHO for dinner, and 30 g

spread out throughout the day as

snacks ?

That is still 180 grams CHO for the

entire day and an average of 45 grams

CHO per meal, including snacks.

Taking it a step further, what do you

have against 180 grams carbohydrate

one day, 200 grams the next day and

160 grams the day after? That is still

an average of 180 grams carbohydrate

per day.

I don't think that we are so very far

apart, Marilyn. It is just a matter

of whether the 45g is to be considered

as a hard " limit " or merely as a

long-term average.

Taking it as a limit makes it difficult

to follow some of the recipes that you

post yourself, which is what I was

originally questioning. You said that

you hesitated to post the recipe

because it came near the " limit " . If

people are willing to accept the idea

of averages, they can even take a

second helping and make up for it the

next day - or the day after that.

This is an important point, I feel:

Whether non-insulin-dependent type 2

diabetics in good control are to feel

constrained by restrictive " rules "

or whether they can feel free to live

much like non-diabetics, except for

balancing out their longterm energy

intake consciously instead of having

it done for them automatically as

non-diabetics do.

Regards