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that's is very very kind of you to say, I have been feeling

awfully dumpy since having the baby.

(SAHM in GA)

MSN elizabethloht@...

n 33, mo, no formal dx

Phoebe, 10 wks

!

>

> Going through the files on my way to edit Penny's (at last) and I came

across your pics, which I have never seen before. Girl, could you BE any

more beautiful?

>

> You are gorgeous. That just had to be said. :-)

>

> Jacquie

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that's is very very kind of you to say, I have been feeling

awfully dumpy since having the baby.

(SAHM in GA)

MSN elizabethloht@...

n 33, mo, no formal dx

Phoebe, 10 wks

!

>

> Going through the files on my way to edit Penny's (at last) and I came

across your pics, which I have never seen before. Girl, could you BE any

more beautiful?

>

> You are gorgeous. That just had to be said. :-)

>

> Jacquie

>

>

>

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that's is very very kind of you to say, I have been feeling

awfully dumpy since having the baby.

(SAHM in GA)

MSN elizabethloht@...

n 33, mo, no formal dx

Phoebe, 10 wks

!

>

> Going through the files on my way to edit Penny's (at last) and I came

across your pics, which I have never seen before. Girl, could you BE any

more beautiful?

>

> You are gorgeous. That just had to be said. :-)

>

> Jacquie

>

>

>

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y'all just better quit now

(SAHM in GA)

MSN elizabethloht@...

n 33, mo, no formal dx

Phoebe, 10 wks

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> I've told that too. I'm sure she's going to blush furiously

> when she reads these. :)

>

> Maggie

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y'all just better quit now

(SAHM in GA)

MSN elizabethloht@...

n 33, mo, no formal dx

Phoebe, 10 wks

Re: !

> I've told that too. I'm sure she's going to blush furiously

> when she reads these. :)

>

> Maggie

>

> ________________________________________________________________

> The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!

> Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!

> Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

>

>

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y'all just better quit now

(SAHM in GA)

MSN elizabethloht@...

n 33, mo, no formal dx

Phoebe, 10 wks

Re: !

> I've told that too. I'm sure she's going to blush furiously

> when she reads these. :)

>

> Maggie

>

> ________________________________________________________________

> The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!

> Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!

> Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

>

>

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ok...yup... I agree...

And those kids aren't half bad either!

Penny :-D

!

Going through the files on my way to edit Penny's (at last) and I came

across your pics, which I have never seen before. Girl, could you BE any

more beautiful?

You are gorgeous. That just had to be said. :-)

Jacquie

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ok...yup... I agree...

And those kids aren't half bad either!

Penny :-D

!

Going through the files on my way to edit Penny's (at last) and I came

across your pics, which I have never seen before. Girl, could you BE any

more beautiful?

You are gorgeous. That just had to be said. :-)

Jacquie

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You are all too kind, that picture is about a year old. I

think I've aged 10 years since then ...

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>

>

>

> Going through the files on my way to edit Penny's (at last) and I came

> across your pics, which I have never seen before. Girl, could you BE any

> more beautiful?

>

> You are gorgeous. That just had to be said. :-)

>

> Jacquie

>

>

>

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LOL

I saw this and IMMEDIATELY changed the station to Oprah.

.......it's about American Idol.

*sigh*

I thought it might be Autism related....lol

Penny

!

Did you watch Oprah?!!!!!!!!

Jacquie H

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LOL!!!!!!!!! I would have addressed that to the whole group. ;) But AI is

something and I talk about every week! In fact if we lived in the same time

zone I am sure we would watch it together over the phone. :) I got hooked when a

girl from my hometown was on AI last year. I watched her when I was in labor

with Seni. :)

Jacquie H

!

Did you watch Oprah?!!!!!!!!

Jacquie H

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Backstage and behind the scenes AI stuff! kinda cool. ;)

Jacquie H

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nope, sorry. even if i was home, i wouldn't have watched it :)

i did, of course, watch tonight tho :-D

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In a message dated 7/11/2004 9:40:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,

quilttymes@... writes:

Through friends that have coverage and therefore access to the needed

classes, I've been told to limit carb intake to 180g/day or 60g/meal. I'm

simultaneously told it is better to eat 4-6 times a day rather than the old

standard " 3

meals a day " . On here, I see lively discussion debating " limits " between

45-80g/meal. It gets confusing. It seems to me, a daily " limit " would make

more

sense and be easier to live with.

, does it make the term " stumbling block " come to mind? :-) This is

exactly what I feared. When you come out and say things that are in complete

opposition to what they are learning, you throw them off. It is a sad

disservice

to humanity dear friend! ;-) I hope this has shown you if you want to

debate, do it off list where it does not throw a minkey wrench into their

thought

patterns. Hugs, Marilyn

Marilyn

Moderator for

Diabetic_Recipes

dnevessr@...

Opinions expressed are solely

my own and should not be

mistaken for

Professional advice.

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> , does it make the term

> " stumbling block " come to mind? :-)

> This is exactly what I feared.

> When you come out and say things

> that are in complete opposition

> to what they are learning, you

> throw them off.

Marilyn, who are " they " ? The name

of this group includes the word

" international " - why do you persist

in pushing US methods, US manners

US recipes (using US ingredients),

US politics and US religion at us

as if we were all the same and all

in agreement with you? Don't you

have just a little tolerance for

opinions other than your own?

> I hope this has shown you if you

> want to debate, do it off list

> where it does not throw a minkey

> wrench into their thought patterns.

No, of course it hasn't - this is

the place to debate diabetes, not

a cooking group or a place for

political and religious activists!

Don't you think that perhaps it

would be more appropriate, Marilyn,

if you would take your recipes,

politics and religion off this

diabetes list, my dear, or at least

tone them down a little instead of

trying to shout everybody else down

and dictate other people's " thought

patterns " ?

I see that you are out to be

quarrelsome so I will back off

until the list owner clarifies who

it is that sets the tone here.

> Marilyn

> Moderator for

> Diabetic_Recipes

I don't understand why you are trying

to pass yourself off as moderator,

Marilyn, and trying to moderate this

list. This signature is totally

misleading. Only one person has been

introduced here as moderator and it

wasn't you.

Regards

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I thought I was entering into the discussion, rather than hitting

a " stumbling block " . I am at fault for using the term " debating " .

I was asking for clarification or justification of the 45 & 80

g/meal " limits " relative to the 180g/day average I was told. What

are the sources? How did they arrive at those figures? I'm OK. I'm

operating midway between those extremes, but am curious how they are

derived.

My observation about counting carbs is the same as doctors make about

counting calories. It is the total at the end of the day, or better,

the average over days relative to physical activity that matters, not

everytime you consume or consider consumption. Controlled portions

and physical activity relative to consumption is probably better

operational practice than counting individual carbs or calories.

This is a Discussion group. Through Discussion we learn, update and

possibly discard obsolete or miss-information. This group currently

has 450 members. That's 450 different opinions on every topic. It

is human nature for each of us to believe we are experts on our

respective areas of interest. Some are more correct than others, but

all have reached that perception through some form of personal

inquiry and rationalization. Open Discussion helps us all re-

evaluate our internalized information.

>> Through friends that have coverage and therefore access to the

>> needed classes, I've been told to limit carb intake to 180g/day or

>> 60g/meal. I'm simultaneously told it is better to eat 4-6 times a

>> day rather than the old standard " 3 meals a day " . On here, I see

>> lively discussion debating " limits " between 45-80g/meal.

>> It gets confusing. It seems to me, a daily " limit " or average

>> would make more sense and be easier to live with.

> , does it make the term " stumbling block " come to mind? :-)

Those " stumbling blocks " motivate me to search for answers consistant

with logic and some kind of disciplined inquiry. The Internet is

full of self-proclaimed experts with a wide range of facts on every

topic. Passive acceptance of anything read, especially on the

Internet, is dangerous.

> This is exactly what I feared. When you come out and say things

> that are in complete opposition to what they are learning, you

> throw them off. It is a sad disservice to humanity dear friend!;-)

It is sadder disservice to humanity to force passive acceptance of a

righid single point of view without active inquiry. All of

scientific discovery is based on questioning and testing established

facts. Over time the majority of facts are improved upon through

this process. This is a service to humanity.

> I hope this has shown you if you want to debate, do it off list

> where it does not throw a minkey wrench into their thought

> patterns.

Does this imply that all information presented in this Discussion

group is absolute fact and there should be no public discussion or

debate regarding sources and contradictory scientific findings?

If so, this should be a Newsletter rather than Discussion group.

What qualifies the expert facts to be presented?

Passive acceptance of any source of information is a monkey wrench in

one's thinking process. It is easy and mandatory for us to check the

facts stated by anyone and decide whether they are valid.

My Discussion groups are just that. Only if the Discussion goes

tangentially off topic or too emotionally charged, do I suggest they

take it offline.

This is the most informative, positive, friendly, comfortable group

I've encountered on this topic. I'm glad I found it. My thanks to

all that have put the time, effort and interest into making it that

way.

I hope it continues to have an unimpeded flow of good, valid

information...and recipes!

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