Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 I used some anti-inflamitants for back pain and sciatica. A friend who owns a health food store gave a herbal remedy that worked fairly well but my HMO doc gave me a perscription med that worked better Naproxen (Generic Naprosyn). The herbal stuff was a Chinese medicine for sciatica. You take twenty of these small pills with warm water. I don't know if it will help you but you might ask a good herbalist for some ideas. Of course, you should see a doctor you trust. - > > Sorry to be off topic - but am wondering if any of you have suggestions or > insights regarding muscle spasms. I am going to beef up on the calcium and > magnesium although have been taking them - but I over did it majorly. Have > a delicate back basically with 2 post traumatic degenerating discs in my low > back and couldn't even stand up or get up from sitting all day without waves > of debilitating spasms. I did pilates a couple of days ago which tightened > me up and should have done callanetics yesterday which is how I stay > balanced with it all, but instead went on a cleaning binge and bent over > cleaning nooks and crannys on the floors, etc. Bent over way too much. I > happened to have an appt. with my osteopath today (the one I was so ticked > at before) and he gave me a shot of toridall (I know the spellings off but > haven't seen it in writing before) which helped enough that he was able to > adjust me. He is wonderful with backs. I took an ultram right before I saw > him, too, and he gave me a few percocet. Its that bad. I also took 10 mgs. > of valium tonight which between the percocet and valium knocked me out. I'm > just past ovulation and moving into the hormonal period so am like a freight > train, though, - wired - at this point. It gets progressively worse. Maybe > I should try a little progesterone, too. (Have a vit. e oil based formula) > and take more B complex. I realize this is a woman thing as far as that > goes, but any suggestions for muscle spasms besides drugs? I don't like > them. Its not " fun " for me. I don't like being non-functional. I just > bought more 5-HTP, too, (my natural seratonin help) and can't find it so > didn't take my normal amount last night and am not up to going to buy more > right now. I'm bent over when I walk like an old lady. I know I'm gonna > have to take more valium. That's actually medicine right now. Percocet is > just to deal with pain - but I have a high pain tolerance so can survive > without that > > Incidentally I told my Dr. that I really appreciate all he has done for me > including letting me use Armour. I told him even though he overmedicated > me, too, it helped me lose weight (I was a bit loopy) so (even though not > recommended for weight loss) I appreciated that. I all but told him I love > him : ) I do in a way. Know him through church. Purely platonic of > course. I'm starting to feel very sick. What to do. I need to drink a > lot of water to get these drugs out of my system. I'm emotional so > before I blather on like an idiot (more) I will close. I guess I'm down for > the count for a couple of days. Jeanie > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 > > Sorry to be off topic - but am wondering if any of you have suggestions or > insights regarding muscle spasms. I am going to beef up on the calcium and > magnesium although have been taking them Quit taking the calcium altogether. When people are magnesium deficient (back spasms are usually a sign of this) they have to get their magnesium straight before taking ANY calcium. The calcium just antagonizes the lack of magnesium. If you have constipation, take magnesium citrate, it has a laxative effect. If not, take mag aspartate, glycinate, or taurinate. If you've been taking Mag oxide, throw it away. It is barely absorbed. It could take as much as 1000mg magnesium to alleviate the spasms. Take it with meals and divided throughout the day. Start with 400mg and take 200 more mg each day. Don't just take 1000mg straight away. If you need the citrate, but you have to take large amounts of Mg, you might have to take some citrate and some other type too or you may have too much of a laxative effect. Occasionally the other types will have the laxative effect too, not usually. Also epsom salts baths will get some Mg into your system right away. Two or three cups in a hot bath (regular sized bathtub, big whirlpool tubs take 4-5 cups). Disc healing also requires vitamin C, three to four times per day. 500-1000mg each dose isn't too much. You don't notice the improvement quickly though, but you can use the vitamin C anyway if you are mercury toxic. Amino acid supplements also help heal discs. The only one I've tried that I know helps is Platinum Plus. Search that name on the internet to purchase it. The D.C. who makes this has all sorts of claims that it helps mercury detox too. I have no comment on that aspect of the supplement, only that it does help heal discs. There is some sulfur in this supplement, so that may be ill advised for a person who is trying to keep sulfur low. Apply ice (not right on the skin, T-shirt thickness between the ice and skin) to the area of back pain for 20-30 minutes on and off many times, not a heating pad. Heating pads almost universally make back pain worse. Hot baths and showers are OK though. Trudeau, D.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 In a message dated 1/11/2003 2:05:13 AM Central Standard Time, Cartland@... writes: > I used some anti-inflamitants for back pain and sciatica. > another natural anti-inflammatory herb is alfalfa.......I think Shaklee makes a really good one..........but you have to be half horse to take it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 In a message dated 1/11/2003 3:57:53 AM Central Standard Time, jetchiro@... writes: > It could take as much as 1000mg magnesium to alleviate the spasms. > Take it with meals and divided throughout the day. Start with 400mg > and take 200 more mg each day. Don't just take 1000mg straight > away. > When I took this much magnesium.........it created irregular heart beat in me......and made me feel very very weird..........hard to breath, etc..... Is that a common reaction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 re spasms: There is also an ayurvedic herb called shank pushpi that has helped me with muscle spasms. The magnesium is also helping me. Also, forskolin is supposed to help. celeste Re: back help > > Sorry to be off topic - but am wondering if any of you have suggestions or > insights regarding muscle spasms. I am going to beef up on the calcium and > magnesium although have been taking them Quit taking the calcium altogether. When people are magnesium deficient (back spasms are usually a sign of this) they have to get their magnesium straight before taking ANY calcium. The calcium just antagonizes the lack of magnesium. If you have constipation, take magnesium citrate, it has a laxative effect. If not, take mag aspartate, glycinate, or taurinate. If you've been taking Mag oxide, throw it away. It is barely absorbed. It could take as much as 1000mg magnesium to alleviate the spasms. Take it with meals and divided throughout the day. Start with 400mg and take 200 more mg each day. Don't just take 1000mg straight away. If you need the citrate, but you have to take large amounts of Mg, you might have to take some citrate and some other type too or you may have too much of a laxative effect. Occasionally the other types will have the laxative effect too, not usually. Also epsom salts baths will get some Mg into your system right away. Two or three cups in a hot bath (regular sized bathtub, big whirlpool tubs take 4-5 cups). Disc healing also requires vitamin C, three to four times per day. 500-1000mg each dose isn't too much. You don't notice the improvement quickly though, but you can use the vitamin C anyway if you are mercury toxic. Amino acid supplements also help heal discs. The only one I've tried that I know helps is Platinum Plus. Search that name on the internet to purchase it. The D.C. who makes this has all sorts of claims that it helps mercury detox too. I have no comment on that aspect of the supplement, only that it does help heal discs. There is some sulfur in this supplement, so that may be ill advised for a person who is trying to keep sulfur low. Apply ice (not right on the skin, T-shirt thickness between the ice and skin) to the area of back pain for 20-30 minutes on and off many times, not a heating pad. Heating pads almost universally make back pain worse. Hot baths and showers are OK though. Trudeau, D.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 Jeanie, I went to chiropractors for years and just recently discovered myotherapy. Myotherapists work on the fascia covering the muscles (an thin clear covering) which can contract up into knots and make the muscles knot up. They also work on trigger points, the knots in the muscles. If you get your bones adjusted and the muscles are still contracted, they will just pull the adjustment back out again. Also found that my bones would adjust themselves sometimes if the muscles were corrected. Celeste back help Sorry to be off topic - but am wondering if any of you have suggestions or insights regarding muscle spasms. I am going to beef up on the calcium and magnesium although have been taking them - but I over did it majorly. Have a delicate back basically with 2 post traumatic degenerating discs in my low back and couldn't even stand up or get up from sitting all day without waves of debilitating spasms. I did pilates a couple of days ago which tightened me up and should have done callanetics yesterday which is how I stay balanced with it all, but instead went on a cleaning binge and bent over cleaning nooks and crannys on the floors, etc. Bent over way too much. I happened to have an appt. with my osteopath today (the one I was so ticked at before) and he gave me a shot of toridall (I know the spellings off but haven't seen it in writing before) which helped enough that he was able to adjust me. He is wonderful with backs. I took an ultram right before I saw him, too, and he gave me a few percocet. Its that bad. I also took 10 mgs. of valium tonight which between the percocet and valium knocked me out. I'm just past ovulation and moving into the hormonal period so am like a freight train, though, - wired - at this point. It gets progressively worse. Maybe I should try a little progesterone, too. (Have a vit. e oil based formula) and take more B complex. I realize this is a woman thing as far as that goes, but any suggestions for muscle spasms besides drugs? I don't like them. Its not " fun " for me. I don't like being non-functional. I just bought more 5-HTP, too, (my natural seratonin help) and can't find it so didn't take my normal amount last night and am not up to going to buy more right now. I'm bent over when I walk like an old lady. I know I'm gonna have to take more valium. That's actually medicine right now. Percocet is just to deal with pain - but I have a high pain tolerance so can survive without that Incidentally I told my Dr. that I really appreciate all he has done for me including letting me use Armour. I told him even though he overmedicated me, too, it helped me lose weight (I was a bit loopy) so (even though not recommended for weight loss) I appreciated that. I all but told him I love him : ) I do in a way. Know him through church. Purely platonic of course. I'm starting to feel very sick. What to do. I need to drink a lot of water to get these drugs out of my system. I'm emotional so before I blather on like an idiot (more) I will close. I guess I'm down for the count for a couple of days. Jeanie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 Hi Jeanie, My lower back is a constant source of trouble for me as well. I too have degenerating discs. A couple of months ago I did something similar, my husband and kids were away for the weekend and I thought I would get a lot done and went on a cleaning frenzy. By 2:00pm Saturday I had severe pain in my lower back, and by Saturday night all I could do was lie on the floor with my knees elevated and talk to my dog about my problems. So much for my weekend of freedom! Anyway, the good news is I discovered ginger as a natural way to kill the pain. I wanted to avoid any NSAIDS and strong pain killers as much as possible. A couple of ginger capsules work great as they contain COX-2 inhibitors that have the same affect as Vioxx and Celebrex. The only draw back is that it wears off after three hours. I also discovered some techniques to fend off the pain since I never want to feel that bad again. If you can handle it (if you're doing pilates you probably can) you might try yoga - it has been a miracle for me. After two months of yoga I no longer feel or move about like an old lady (I'm only 40 but at times feel like I'm 70 because of the FM). Also, stretching your legs every day takes the strain off your lower back. Hamstring, hip, pelvic, and quadriceps stretches will do a lot for you and may slow down the disc degeneration. Hope this helps and your back feels better soon. Mine took a couple of weeks to get out of sharp pain mode, now it's just really tight and I baby it during yoga. back help Sorry to be off topic - but am wondering if any of you have suggestions or insights regarding muscle spasms. I am going to beef up on the calcium and magnesium although have been taking them - but I over did it majorly. Have a delicate back basically with 2 post traumatic degenerating discs in my low back and couldn't even stand up or get up from sitting all day without waves of debilitating spasms. I did pilates a couple of days ago which tightened me up and should have done callanetics yesterday which is how I stay balanced with it all, but instead went on a cleaning binge and bent over cleaning nooks and crannys on the floors, etc. Bent over way too much. I happened to have an appt. with my osteopath today (the one I was so ticked at before) and he gave me a shot of toridall (I know the spellings off but haven't seen it in writing before) which helped enough that he was able to adjust me. He is wonderful with backs. I took an ultram right before I saw him, too, and he gave me a few percocet. Its that bad. I also took 10 mgs. of valium tonight which between the percocet and valium knocked me out. I'm just past ovulation and moving into the hormonal period so am like a freight train, though, - wired - at this point. It gets progressively worse. Maybe I should try a little progesterone, too. (Have a vit. e oil based formula) and take more B complex. I realize this is a woman thing as far as that goes, but any suggestions for muscle spasms besides drugs? I don't like them. Its not " fun " for me. I don't like being non-functional. I just bought more 5-HTP, too, (my natural seratonin help) and can't find it so didn't take my normal amount last night and am not up to going to buy more right now. I'm bent over when I walk like an old lady. I know I'm gonna have to take more valium. That's actually medicine right now. Percocet is just to deal with pain - but I have a high pain tolerance so can survive without that Incidentally I told my Dr. that I really appreciate all he has done for me including letting me use Armour. I told him even though he overmedicated me, too, it helped me lose weight (I was a bit loopy) so (even though not recommended for weight loss) I appreciated that. I all but told him I love him : ) I do in a way. Know him through church. Purely platonic of course. I'm starting to feel very sick. What to do. I need to drink a lot of water to get these drugs out of my system. I'm emotional so before I blather on like an idiot (more) I will close. I guess I'm down for the count for a couple of days. Jeanie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 Thanks - I used a percussion vibrator and it helped some last night (at 3:00 in the morning). My husband actually does pretty good, too. We have a massage table. I have been abusing or not being careful about my back for some time so have been reminded : ) I know of a good massage therapist I will have to see. May also set up a cranio-sacral therapy session. That works wonders for overall well being if some of you haven't heard of it. Jeanie Re: back help Jeanie, I went to chiropractors for years and just recently discovered myotherapy. Myotherapists work on the fascia covering the muscles (an thin clear covering) which can contract up into knots and make the muscles knot up. They also work on trigger points, the knots in the muscles. If you get your bones adjusted and the muscles are still contracted, they will just pull the adjustment back out again. Also found that my bones would adjust themselves sometimes if the muscles were corrected. Celeste back help Sorry to be off topic - but am wondering if any of you have suggestions or insights regarding muscle spasms. I am going to beef up on the calcium and magnesium although have been taking them - but I over did it majorly. Have a delicate back basically with 2 post traumatic degenerating discs in my low back and couldn't even stand up or get up from sitting all day without waves of debilitating spasms. I did pilates a couple of days ago which tightened me up and should have done callanetics yesterday which is how I stay balanced with it all, but instead went on a cleaning binge and bent over cleaning nooks and crannys on the floors, etc. Bent over way too much. I happened to have an appt. with my osteopath today (the one I was so ticked at before) and he gave me a shot of toridall (I know the spellings off but haven't seen it in writing before) which helped enough that he was able to adjust me. He is wonderful with backs. I took an ultram right before I saw him, too, and he gave me a few percocet. Its that bad. I also took 10 mgs. of valium tonight which between the percocet and valium knocked me out. I'm just past ovulation and moving into the hormonal period so am like a freight train, though, - wired - at this point. It gets progressively worse. Maybe I should try a little progesterone, too. (Have a vit. e oil based formula) and take more B complex. I realize this is a woman thing as far as that goes, but any suggestions for muscle spasms besides drugs? I don't like them. Its not " fun " for me. I don't like being non-functional. I just bought more 5-HTP, too, (my natural seratonin help) and can't find it so didn't take my normal amount last night and am not up to going to buy more right now. I'm bent over when I walk like an old lady. I know I'm gonna have to take more valium. That's actually medicine right now. Percocet is just to deal with pain - but I have a high pain tolerance so can survive without that Incidentally I told my Dr. that I really appreciate all he has done for me including letting me use Armour. I told him even though he overmedicated me, too, it helped me lose weight (I was a bit loopy) so (even though not recommended for weight loss) I appreciated that. I all but told him I love him : ) I do in a way. Know him through church. Purely platonic of course. I'm starting to feel very sick. What to do. I need to drink a lot of water to get these drugs out of my system. I'm emotional so before I blather on like an idiot (more) I will close. I guess I'm down for the count for a couple of days. Jeanie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 THANK YOU! I am going to get some magnesium today. May have my husabnd drive me. Feeling the affects of all the drugs yesterday but am determined not to go that route today. (Worthless really - I hurt all night regardless and still can't move). I thought you would have some good advice. Didn't expect it about the discs though. Really appreciate this! Jeanie Re: back help > > Sorry to be off topic - but am wondering if any of you have suggestions or > insights regarding muscle spasms. I am going to beef up on the calcium and > magnesium although have been taking them Quit taking the calcium altogether. When people are magnesium deficient (back spasms are usually a sign of this) they have to get their magnesium straight before taking ANY calcium. The calcium just antagonizes the lack of magnesium. If you have constipation, take magnesium citrate, it has a laxative effect. If not, take mag aspartate, glycinate, or taurinate. If you've been taking Mag oxide, throw it away. It is barely absorbed. It could take as much as 1000mg magnesium to alleviate the spasms. Take it with meals and divided throughout the day. Start with 400mg and take 200 more mg each day. Don't just take 1000mg straight away. If you need the citrate, but you have to take large amounts of Mg, you might have to take some citrate and some other type too or you may have too much of a laxative effect. Occasionally the other types will have the laxative effect too, not usually. Also epsom salts baths will get some Mg into your system right away. Two or three cups in a hot bath (regular sized bathtub, big whirlpool tubs take 4-5 cups). Disc healing also requires vitamin C, three to four times per day. 500-1000mg each dose isn't too much. You don't notice the improvement quickly though, but you can use the vitamin C anyway if you are mercury toxic. Amino acid supplements also help heal discs. The only one I've tried that I know helps is Platinum Plus. Search that name on the internet to purchase it. The D.C. who makes this has all sorts of claims that it helps mercury detox too. I have no comment on that aspect of the supplement, only that it does help heal discs. There is some sulfur in this supplement, so that may be ill advised for a person who is trying to keep sulfur low. Apply ice (not right on the skin, T-shirt thickness between the ice and skin) to the area of back pain for 20-30 minutes on and off many times, not a heating pad. Heating pads almost universally make back pain worse. Hot baths and showers are OK though. Trudeau, D.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 I actually have a YOGA DVD and some props. I am going to try the ginger. Also enzymes help and white willow bark. (Something like that). All this really helps. I know my hamstrings get too tight. I need help remembering all this stuff cause its hard to think of in the pain of the moment. Glad you had your dog to talk to : ) Thank you. Jeanie Re: back help Hi Jeanie, My lower back is a constant source of trouble for me as well. I too have degenerating discs. A couple of months ago I did something similar, my husband and kids were away for the weekend and I thought I would get a lot done and went on a cleaning frenzy. By 2:00pm Saturday I had severe pain in my lower back, and by Saturday night all I could do was lie on the floor with my knees elevated and talk to my dog about my problems. So much for my weekend of freedom! Anyway, the good news is I discovered ginger as a natural way to kill the pain. I wanted to avoid any NSAIDS and strong pain killers as much as possible. A couple of ginger capsules work great as they contain COX-2 inhibitors that have the same affect as Vioxx and Celebrex. The only draw back is that it wears off after three hours. I also discovered some techniques to fend off the pain since I never want to feel that bad again. If you can handle it (if you're doing pilates you probably can) you might try yoga - it has been a miracle for me. After two months of yoga I no longer feel or move about like an old lady (I'm only 40 but at times feel like I'm 70 because of the FM). Also, stretching your legs every day takes the strain off your lower back. Hamstring, hip, pelvic, and quadriceps stretches will do a lot for you and may slow down the disc degeneration. Hope this helps and your back feels better soon. Mine took a couple of weeks to get out of sharp pain mode, now it's just really tight and I baby it during yoga. back help Sorry to be off topic - but am wondering if any of you have suggestions or insights regarding muscle spasms. I am going to beef up on the calcium and magnesium although have been taking them - but I over did it majorly. Have a delicate back basically with 2 post traumatic degenerating discs in my low back and couldn't even stand up or get up from sitting all day without waves of debilitating spasms. I did pilates a couple of days ago which tightened me up and should have done callanetics yesterday which is how I stay balanced with it all, but instead went on a cleaning binge and bent over cleaning nooks and crannys on the floors, etc. Bent over way too much. I happened to have an appt. with my osteopath today (the one I was so ticked at before) and he gave me a shot of toridall (I know the spellings off but haven't seen it in writing before) which helped enough that he was able to adjust me. He is wonderful with backs. I took an ultram right before I saw him, too, and he gave me a few percocet. Its that bad. I also took 10 mgs. of valium tonight which between the percocet and valium knocked me out. I'm just past ovulation and moving into the hormonal period so am like a freight train, though, - wired - at this point. It gets progressively worse. Maybe I should try a little progesterone, too. (Have a vit. e oil based formula) and take more B complex. I realize this is a woman thing as far as that goes, but any suggestions for muscle spasms besides drugs? I don't like them. Its not " fun " for me. I don't like being non-functional. I just bought more 5-HTP, too, (my natural seratonin help) and can't find it so didn't take my normal amount last night and am not up to going to buy more right now. I'm bent over when I walk like an old lady. I know I'm gonna have to take more valium. That's actually medicine right now. Percocet is just to deal with pain - but I have a high pain tolerance so can survive without that Incidentally I told my Dr. that I really appreciate all he has done for me including letting me use Armour. I told him even though he overmedicated me, too, it helped me lose weight (I was a bit loopy) so (even though not recommended for weight loss) I appreciated that. I all but told him I love him : ) I do in a way. Know him through church. Purely platonic of course. I'm starting to feel very sick. What to do. I need to drink a lot of water to get these drugs out of my system. I'm emotional so before I blather on like an idiot (more) I will close. I guess I'm down for the count for a couple of days. Jeanie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 > > It could take as much as 1000mg magnesium to alleviate the spasms. > > Take it with meals and divided throughout the day. Start with 400mg > > and take 200 more mg each day. Don't just take 1000mg straight > > away. > > > > When I took this much magnesium.........it created irregular heart beat in > me......and made me feel very very weird..........hard to breath, etc..... > > Is that a common reaction? When you take too much magnesium you can start to get symptoms of mg deficiency. Irregular heartbeat and muscle cramps in the feet and legs are mg deficiency symptoms usually, but if you take too much the same thing can happen. Occasionally I've had patients take too much and they feel groggy the next morning. If you increase slowly you can usually find the right amount without going overboard. Not everyone needs 1000mg, and of course, this isn't everyone's problem, just one of the more common ones, and even more likely if mercury is causing mineral transport problems. Trudeau, D.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 > Hi Jeanie, > > My lower back is a constant source of trouble for me as well. I too have degenerating discs. >(I'm only 40 but at times feel like I'm 70 because of the FM) Hi , I agree with your comments on yoga. You may have already tried this for fibromyalgia, but getting enough magnesium, taking malic acid and taking thiamine are very helpful for FM. You can get magnesium malate and kill two birds with one stone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 I'm glad I reread this cause I just took 400 mgs. of magnesium citrate I just got back from buying and was planning on upping to 1000 over the day today. I guess I'll go easier on that. I also just took a second B-100 too and am gonna take an epsom salt bath. I will likely end up taking some valium today and try and stretch then. I'm also going to make up some herbs from Dr. 's formulas for bone flesh and cartilage. I looked and a lot of his formulas have lobelia as well as skull cap and this one also has white willow bark (natural aspirin) so maybe it will all help. I just figure all the drugs are just adding to my acidity level and free radicals so its not really helping. Just gonna pamper myself. is gigging tonight, but we are not gonna make it to church tomorrow cause I couldn't sit there so he is gonna stay home and rub me down and help me. We have neighbors that will take the kids for us. I almost need help even getting dressed. I really messed myself up. Haven't had a flare up like this in ages. I don't have much patience for being down. Thanks so much to all of you for all the advice. I'm gonna hobble downstairs and capsulate some herbs thanks to Sol's advice. Thanks Dr. Trudeau, Celeste and all of you. Jeanie Re: back help > > It could take as much as 1000mg magnesium to alleviate the spasms. > > Take it with meals and divided throughout the day. Start with 400mg > > and take 200 more mg each day. Don't just take 1000mg straight > > away. > > > > When I took this much magnesium.........it created irregular heart beat in > me......and made me feel very very weird..........hard to breath, etc..... > > Is that a common reaction? When you take too much magnesium you can start to get symptoms of mg deficiency. Irregular heartbeat and muscle cramps in the feet and legs are mg deficiency symptoms usually, but if you take too much the same thing can happen. Occasionally I've had patients take too much and they feel groggy the next morning. If you increase slowly you can usually find the right amount without going overboard. Not everyone needs 1000mg, and of course, this isn't everyone's problem, just one of the more common ones, and even more likely if mercury is causing mineral transport problems. Trudeau, D.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 I have that. May I ask how magnesium malate kills 2 birds with one stone? I have that - are malic acid and magnesium malate 2 different things? I've been taking it already. My alternative Dentist who told me once to get some glycinate (you can't get mag. glycinate up here - has to be ordered) said the malic acid wasn't as good for some reason I can't remember - but I've read before its good for FMS. Maybe taking the 5HTP will also help. I just got some more of that, too. Turmeric is also supposed to be an anti-inflammatory by the way. Jeanie Re: back help > Hi Jeanie, > > My lower back is a constant source of trouble for me as well. I too have degenerating discs. >(I'm only 40 but at times feel like I'm 70 because of the FM) Hi , I agree with your comments on yoga. You may have already tried this for fibromyalgia, but getting enough magnesium, taking malic acid and taking thiamine are very helpful for FM. You can get magnesium malate and kill two birds with one stone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 > > I have that. May I ask how magnesium malate kills 2 birds with one stone? Because you can take magnesium malate instead of taking some other kind of magnesium and a second pill of malic acid. My alternative Dentist who told me once to get some > glycinate (you can't get mag. glycinate up here - has to be ordered) said > the malic acid wasn't as good for some reason I can't remember - but I've > read before its good for FMS. Our Vitamin Shoppe has mg glycinate. Glycinate is purported to be the most highly absorbed type of mg. I like mg aspartate better because it has a lot more mg in it for a much smaller pill. It seems to work just as well (or well enough considering it's easier to get more in people) in real life. I've actually never tried Mg malate. I'm just going by what I hear on that one. Turmeric is also supposed to be an > anti-inflammatory by the way. I use a supplement with tumeric instead of aspirin. It's a supplement called Inflavenoid Intensive Care by Metagenics that has tumeric, boswellia, ginger, cayenne, lemon bioflavenoids, quercitin and vitamin C. You have to take more of it than aspirin, but it works. I will admit that I'm not cost conscious on my own supplements at all. You may want to keep this in mind when I give specific recommendations for supplements. I don't even know how much they cost. I just buy them. No kids, no poverty. I am conscious about the cost of things I sell to patients, but not for the more obscure things I take for myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 I have to be somewhat cost conscious, but justify the expense if it saves on side effects. I spend a lot on this stuff. But what I need to do is limit it to what I really need. I am starting to feel a little better. Did end up taking a vicodin and valium this evening after taking natural. I generally only take ultram once in a while when I have to sit for a while like when going out or something, but this is pretty severe pain. I'm still gonna do my epsom salts bath. I really really appreciate the help. Very grateful to have you and such knowledgeable people to consult with. Thanks much. Jeanie Re: back help > > I have that. May I ask how magnesium malate kills 2 birds with one stone? Because you can take magnesium malate instead of taking some other kind of magnesium and a second pill of malic acid. My alternative Dentist who told me once to get some > glycinate (you can't get mag. glycinate up here - has to be ordered) said > the malic acid wasn't as good for some reason I can't remember - but I've > read before its good for FMS. Our Vitamin Shoppe has mg glycinate. Glycinate is purported to be the most highly absorbed type of mg. I like mg aspartate better because it has a lot more mg in it for a much smaller pill. It seems to work just as well (or well enough considering it's easier to get more in people) in real life. I've actually never tried Mg malate. I'm just going by what I hear on that one. Turmeric is also supposed to be an > anti-inflammatory by the way. I use a supplement with tumeric instead of aspirin. It's a supplement called Inflavenoid Intensive Care by Metagenics that has tumeric, boswellia, ginger, cayenne, lemon bioflavenoids, quercitin and vitamin C. You have to take more of it than aspirin, but it works. I will admit that I'm not cost conscious on my own supplements at all. You may want to keep this in mind when I give specific recommendations for supplements. I don't even know how much they cost. I just buy them. No kids, no poverty. I am conscious about the cost of things I sell to patients, but not for the more obscure things I take for myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 As far as my recommendations for back pain. I really should have mentioned getting adjusted first, because that always works better than any supplement. I didn't in your case because you mentioned that you see an osteopath and he manipulates you, which is actually rare for an osteopath, so you are lucky. In my experience, even D.O.s who manipulate, don't do it frequently enough. If I have a patient who is immobile from pain, I adjust them every day until they are mobile. On the rare occasions that I get in pain, I get adjusted several times a day until I don't hurt anymore. I usually get adjusted once a week for maintenance which is probably more than a person who doesn't have an extremely physical job needs. Aside from them not using their manipulative techniques with enough frequency, (even one adjustment is better than none though) I usually find osteopaths to be much better general practitioners than M.D.s. For a mercury toxic person they are probably going to be more open minded and more likely to consider non-drug options. There are exceptions to every rule though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 Thanks for the info . Can you recommend a brand of magnesium in the malate form? I'm currently taking magnesium glycinate. Re: back help > Hi Jeanie, > > My lower back is a constant source of trouble for me as well. I too have degenerating discs. >(I'm only 40 but at times feel like I'm 70 because of the FM) Hi , I agree with your comments on yoga. You may have already tried this for fibromyalgia, but getting enough magnesium, taking malic acid and taking thiamine are very helpful for FM. You can get magnesium malate and kill two birds with one stone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 > Thanks for the info . Can you recommend a brand of magnesium in the malate form? I'm currently taking magnesium glycinate. > > Try NF Formula's Inc. or AMNI. You can get either from Emerson Ecologics at emersonecologics.com. Biotics Research has a powdered orange flavored supplement that I think is called Fibro-ez. It has malic acid, magnesium, thiamine and a few other things in it all for fibromyalgia sufferers. I am always impressed with Biotics Research supplements. They are more expensive though, but this one has so many things in it I think it would save someone money over buying things separately. Designs for Health supplements, also available from emerson ecologics, have a lot of powdered supplements available. These are more economical than the encapsulated or tableted types and have less fillers. Their powdered CoQ10 is $90.00 for a 30 day supply, which sounds expensive, but that is for a 500mg per day dose, which is about as cheap as I've seen it. If you are going to take a lot of CoQ10, I'd go for the powdered kind. It has 500mg per 1/4 teaspoon. It might be hard to figure out how much a 100-200mg dose is from that, but if you only took that much it would obviously go much farther than 30 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 Thanks . I did get adjusted. I had an appt. with my osteopath the day it came on and figured he couldn't adjust me in such spasm so they gave me a shot of toridal which calmed the pain down at least and he adjusted me wonderfully. This guy is a wonderful, gifted back man. He was an electrician before this and found he had a gift that way so he went back to school and became a Dr. He is the one who lets me use Armour type thyroid too (even if he did overmedicate me for a while). I've been frustrated with him with the mercury issue. But frankly he is too tired to research much beyond the daily cause he has several kids along with a baby and is very tired some days. He is the one I was so mad at but have a renewed appreciation for him. He is very sought after as a Dr. I use to also work for an osteopath and knew of a good one in VA, but you are right. Most don't adjust - they want to be like normal Doctors which is a real shame. I have another appt. with him on the 22nd in less than 2 weeks. I may also go see my wonderful chiropractor who is also gifted in the meantime. She also knows how to do craniosacral therapy. Jeanie Re: back help As far as my recommendations for back pain. I really should have mentioned getting adjusted first, because that always works better than any supplement. I didn't in your case because you mentioned that you see an osteopath and he manipulates you, which is actually rare for an osteopath, so you are lucky. In my experience, even D.O.s who manipulate, don't do it frequently enough. If I have a patient who is immobile from pain, I adjust them every day until they are mobile. On the rare occasions that I get in pain, I get adjusted several times a day until I don't hurt anymore. I usually get adjusted once a week for maintenance which is probably more than a person who doesn't have an extremely physical job needs. Aside from them not using their manipulative techniques with enough frequency, (even one adjustment is better than none though) I usually find osteopaths to be much better general practitioners than M.D.s. For a mercury toxic person they are probably going to be more open minded and more likely to consider non-drug options. There are exceptions to every rule though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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