Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 I would definitely dump the Chlorella and Cilantro, this has the affect of mobilizing the mercury in your body without removing it. Glen. Re: Re: Mercury Chelation My Daily Supplements: 2000 mg Vit C 1200 mg Calcium 1800 mg Garlic 4500 mg Chlorella 1/2 teasp Cilantro Concentrate > I can't stress how important it is to get the IV nutrients a day or so after the DMPS treatments. Doing it every month is very conservative, but not if you aren't getting the IV Vits and minerals. Part of the IV is 20 grams of C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 I just got off the phone with my doctor and he disagrees with you. Strongly! LOL Here's some interesting reading in regards to Chlorella and Cilantro: http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/ > I would definitely dump the Chlorella and Cilantro, this has the affect of mobilizing the mercury in your body without removing it. Glen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 Did your doctor happen to tell you that most sources of chlorella are contaminated with mercury, because it does attract it so well? If you are going to take chlorella, be sure it is mercury free. Re: Re: Mercury Chelation I just got off the phone with my doctor and he disagrees with you. Strongly! LOL Here's some interesting reading in regards to Chlorella and Cilantro: http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/ > I would definitely dump the Chlorella and Cilantro, this has the affect of mobilizing the mercury in your body without removing it. Glen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 I just read the Mercola article and he advises using chlorella and cilantro in ADDITION to DMPS because they help mobilize and absorb the mercury. I don't think using them without a real chelator is a very safe idea. Re: Re: Mercury Chelation I just got off the phone with my doctor and he disagrees with you. Strongly! LOL Here's some interesting reading in regards to Chlorella and Cilantro: http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/ > I would definitely dump the Chlorella and Cilantro, this has the affect of mobilizing the mercury in your body without removing it. Glen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 If you'd read my other posts you would know that I am taking IV DMPS along with the supplements and doing so with a doctor that is highly trained and has been doing this for several years. I am NOT self-medicating myself like alot of people do. > I just read the Mercola article and he advises using chlorella and cilantro in ADDITION to DMPS because they help mobilize and absorb the mercury. I don't think using them without a real chelator is a very safe idea. Re: Re: Mercury Chelation I just got off the phone with my doctor and he disagrees with you. Strongly! LOL Here's some interesting reading in regards to Chlorella and Cilantro: http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/ > I would definitely dump the Chlorella and Cilantro, this has the affect of mobilizing the mercury in your body without removing it. Glen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 most sources?? Have you any references that say " most sources " are high in merc.? I've heard of some but most?? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 I got this from Andy Cutler you should talk to him. I recall discussions about Cilantro a couple of years ago and some studies, however, I would have to dig a little to find the discussions. I'll try and find them though. However, it stands to reason that if a substance chelates mercury and holds onto it very weekly and crosses the BBB you are going to have problems. I basically moves mercury around the body without eliminating it. As far as your link goes, I agree with it, using cilantro as an adjunct to IV DMPS would work:- " Start Cilantro. Cilantro will help mobilize mercury out of the tissue so the DMPS can attach to it and allow it to be excreted from the body. The best form of cilantro is a tincture available from Dragon River (). The dose is one dropper applied on the wrists and rubbed in twice a day for the two weeks preceding the DMPS IV. It is used the morning prior to the DMPS chelation but can be stopped for the following two weeks. The tincture is also particularly useful for any joint pain and could be rubbed on the joint that is hurting as an alternative. You can also augment the tincture with using the herb. It is not as potent, but certainly will add to the program. However, like chlorella, many people are sensitive to oral cilantro. So, if you develop any nausea or discomfort after eating cilantro do not use it orally. " I think we are actually in agreement here, I forgot that you're doing DMPS. Regards, Glen. Re: Re: Mercury Chelation I just got off the phone with my doctor and he disagrees with you. Strongly! LOL Here's some interesting reading in regards to Chlorella and Cilantro: http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/ > I would definitely dump the Chlorella and Cilantro, this has the affect of mobilizing the mercury in your body without removing it. Glen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 I sat here and read this a couple of times because there was something that kept poking at my mind, but it wasn't coming to the surface. Til now.... This isn't anything I've heard or read, it's just a thought I had. I live in the Southwest, Arizona to be exact. We live on Cilantro, the fresh kind. The piles of cilantro in the grocery store are as high as the piles of heads of lettuce. We season with it, toss it in salads, throw it on sandwiches, some people even use it in place of mouth wash because of it's strength. Maybe doctors around here are more apt to recommend it because they know most of us are already accustomed to it? > I got this from Andy Cutler you should talk to him. I recall discussions about Cilantro a couple of years ago and some studies, however, I would have to dig a little to find the discussions. I'll try and find them though. However, it stands to reason that if a substance chelates mercury and holds onto it very weekly and crosses the BBB you are going to have problems. I basically moves mercury around the body without eliminating it. As far as your link goes, I agree with it, using cilantro as an adjunct to IV DMPS would work:- " Start Cilantro. Cilantro will help mobilize mercury out of the tissue so the DMPS can attach to it and allow it to be excreted from the body. The best form of cilantro is a tincture available from Dragon River (). The dose is one dropper applied on the wrists and rubbed in twice a day for the two weeks preceding the DMPS IV. It is used the morning prior to the DMPS chelation but can be stopped for the following two weeks. The tincture is also particularly useful for any joint pain and could be rubbed on the joint that is hurting as an alternative. You can also augment the tincture with using the herb. It is not as potent, but certainly will add to the program. However, like chlorella, many people are sensitive to oral cilantro. So, if you develop any nausea or discomfort after eating cilantro do not use it orally. " I think we are actually in agreement here, I forgot that you're doing DMPS. Regards, Glen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 Moria I don't want to burst anyone's bubble or anything but...if one believes that " chlorella is dangerous IN ANY CASE, " I think someone might want to tell that to the MILLIONS of Japanese people who have used it for eeeeons and lived health prosperous lives. I find it so hard to swallow that people are so negative about believing in natures virtue!! Rana Reply-To: adult-metal-chelation To: adult-metal-chelation Subject: Re: Mercury Chelation Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 05:43:20 -0000 > I just read the Mercola article and he advises using chlorella and cilantro in ADDITION to DMPS because they help mobilize and absorb the mercury. I don't think using them without a real chelator is a very safe idea. > well, my opinion, not that anyone likely cares is that chlorella is dangerous IN ANY CASE, and that cilantro very well may BE a " real " chelator, and therefore should be used with extreme caution (as all real chelators). I've used it myself, but do not recommend it to others unless they have detailed knowledge of things, and even then I would not " recommend " it. best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 I'll check around. I think I remember where I read this... Re: Re: Mercury Chelation most sources?? Have you any references that say " most sources " are high in merc.? I've heard of some but most?? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 One source I was shocked to hear of recently was in those " Puffers " that people who have asthma use. I was talking about Thimerosal to a friend of mine and he remarked that that was one of the substances in with the asthma meds. Glen. Re: Re: Mercury Chelation I'll check around. I think I remember where I read this... Re: Re: Mercury Chelation most sources?? Have you any references that say " most sources " are high in merc.? I've heard of some but most?? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 I wish people would stop attaching PERSONALLY! Andy, you should know better. Just the facts Andy, just the Facts....... Glen. Re: Mercury Chelation > If you'd read my other posts you would know that I am taking >IV DMPS along with the supplements and doing so with a doctor >that is highly trained and has been doing this for several years. >I am NOT self-medicating myself like alot of people do. Yes, the religious question of whether it is evilly apostate to do something for yourself that actually works and makes you better is OK even when it doesn't involve letting a D O C T O R do unpleasant and dangerous procedures to you does seem to be at the heart of the mercury debate. Personally I view even considering it an issue to be a severe mental illness, though one it is not surprising that MD's aren't willing to diagnose. Think of what they would say about those people who can't go to sleep unless their Mommy or her duly delegated representative tucks them in at night! I'm sure a lot of people on the list are more interested in which therapies work and which don't than whether someone got them from a * * D O C T O R * * or not. > I just read the Mercola article and he advises using chlorella >and cilantro in ADDITION to DMPS because they help mobilize and >absorb the mercury. I don't think using them without a real >chelator is a very safe idea. True. And using them WITH a real chelator isn't any better of an idea. Andy > I just got off the phone with my doctor and he disagrees > with you. Strongly! LOL Take a poll of doctors and 90-95% will disagree strongly with the idea that mercury could be causing your problems, or that chelation could solve them. So why poll doctors to make your decisions? >Here's some interesting reading in regards to Chlorella and Cilantro: http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/ > > I would definitely dump the Chlorella and Cilantro, this has the affect > of mobilizing the mercury in your body without removing it. Glen is right. Good way to get REALLY sick. Just like you did when you believed the * * D O C T O R * * (dentists are referred to this way too) who filled your face up with mercury because it was perfectly safe. Andy . . .. . . . . . . . . > > Glen. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 Glen, You are just as guilty of attacking so please quit acting so righteous. It seems you're just angry because most of the people on this list respect Andy's opinion and he discredits the information you send out. BTW - I'm with Valentina, I think you are dishing out some pretty harmful advise. It's obvious you don't think so and don't care. There are very vulnerable people on this list desperately looking for answers and may be seriously and permanently hurt by your " advise " . It's okay to tell people what you are doing and how it is affecting you, but to " advise " them without the proper background or information is harmful. Okay - attack away! I'm also one of those mercury-damaged, mentally-disturbed people who struggles to think straight. Re: Mercury Chelation > If you'd read my other posts you would know that I am taking >IV DMPS along with the supplements and doing so with a doctor >that is highly trained and has been doing this for several years. >I am NOT self-medicating myself like alot of people do. Yes, the religious question of whether it is evilly apostate to do something for yourself that actually works and makes you better is OK even when it doesn't involve letting a D O C T O R do unpleasant and dangerous procedures to you does seem to be at the heart of the mercury debate. Personally I view even considering it an issue to be a severe mental illness, though one it is not surprising that MD's aren't willing to diagnose. Think of what they would say about those people who can't go to sleep unless their Mommy or her duly delegated representative tucks them in at night! I'm sure a lot of people on the list are more interested in which therapies work and which don't than whether someone got them from a * * D O C T O R * * or not. > I just read the Mercola article and he advises using chlorella >and cilantro in ADDITION to DMPS because they help mobilize and >absorb the mercury. I don't think using them without a real >chelator is a very safe idea. True. And using them WITH a real chelator isn't any better of an idea. Andy > I just got off the phone with my doctor and he disagrees > with you. Strongly! LOL Take a poll of doctors and 90-95% will disagree strongly with the idea that mercury could be causing your problems, or that chelation could solve them. So why poll doctors to make your decisions? >Here's some interesting reading in regards to Chlorella and Cilantro: http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/ > > I would definitely dump the Chlorella and Cilantro, this has the affect > of mobilizing the mercury in your body without removing it. Glen is right. Good way to get REALLY sick. Just like you did when you believed the * * D O C T O R * * (dentists are referred to this way too) who filled your face up with mercury because it was perfectly safe. Andy . . .. . . . . . . . . > > Glen. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 Andy doesn't seem to have discredited anything. You can either take or leave the information I put on this board, it's not a belief system you need it's facts. You are " advised " by me to check out anything I say on this list and anything anyone else say's. I haven't as of yet heard anyone " discuss " anything I've said on this list recently. I'm not annoyed in the slightest if people believe Andy, I'm just giving everyone the benefit of my own " personal " experiences with chelation and using DMPS and Andy's protocol. If you don't believe anyone should say anything against what you believe to be true, why don't you start another group called " Discussion-of-Andys-stuff-and-nothing-else " . It's because of the people who are vulnerable (I used to be one of them) that I'm on this list at all. Without background or information? What, you think I just randomly make this stuff up? Everything I say is my personal experience and information I've gleaned from all the lists I've been on and doctors I have spoken to. If someone who was mentally-disturbed personally attacked you on one of the lists without any arguments as to why you were wrong, how would you respond, just ignore them? Glen. Re: Re: Mercury Chelation Glen, You are just as guilty of attacking so please quit acting so righteous. It seems you're just angry because most of the people on this list respect Andy's opinion and he discredits the information you send out. BTW - I'm with Valentina, I think you are dishing out some pretty harmful advise. It's obvious you don't think so and don't care. There are very vulnerable people on this list desperately looking for answers and may be seriously and permanently hurt by your " advise " . It's okay to tell people what you are doing and how it is affecting you, but to " advise " them without the proper background or information is harmful. Okay - attack away! I'm also one of those mercury-damaged, mentally-disturbed people who struggles to think straight. Re: Mercury Chelation > If you'd read my other posts you would know that I am taking >IV DMPS along with the supplements and doing so with a doctor >that is highly trained and has been doing this for several years. >I am NOT self-medicating myself like alot of people do. Yes, the religious question of whether it is evilly apostate to do something for yourself that actually works and makes you better is OK even when it doesn't involve letting a D O C T O R do unpleasant and dangerous procedures to you does seem to be at the heart of the mercury debate. Personally I view even considering it an issue to be a severe mental illness, though one it is not surprising that MD's aren't willing to diagnose. Think of what they would say about those people who can't go to sleep unless their Mommy or her duly delegated representative tucks them in at night! I'm sure a lot of people on the list are more interested in which therapies work and which don't than whether someone got them from a * * D O C T O R * * or not. > I just read the Mercola article and he advises using chlorella >and cilantro in ADDITION to DMPS because they help mobilize and >absorb the mercury. I don't think using them without a real >chelator is a very safe idea. True. And using them WITH a real chelator isn't any better of an idea. Andy > I just got off the phone with my doctor and he disagrees > with you. Strongly! LOL Take a poll of doctors and 90-95% will disagree strongly with the idea that mercury could be causing your problems, or that chelation could solve them. So why poll doctors to make your decisions? >Here's some interesting reading in regards to Chlorella and Cilantro: http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/ > > I would definitely dump the Chlorella and Cilantro, this has the affect > of mobilizing the mercury in your body without removing it. Glen is right. Good way to get REALLY sick. Just like you did when you believed the * * D O C T O R * * (dentists are referred to this way too) who filled your face up with mercury because it was perfectly safe. Andy . . .. . . . . . . . . > > Glen. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 Hi, I am getting very annoyed. Because I am getting already emails off the list (one of them very unpolite, from somebody named son Munro) telling me to stop this argument. I think this IS a very important issue. And I don't think anybody should treat it with ignorance. Normally, I wouldn't worry too much if I would see somebody posting incorrect information. If I would have time, I would post my own opinon. If I wouldn't, I would just delete the message, knowing that normally people ARE doing their own research anyway. My problem with the way Glen says things is that fact that he is not using expressions like " I think " , or " I'm not sure " , or " I guess " ... or something that would make people understand that he cannot possibly be sure that what he's talking about is absolutelly accurate. He advises people to do things that might be VERY dangerous for some of them (if not most of them). The way he says things sounds like he's an expert or something. For the unexperienced people, for people who desperately seek help, for sick people who have brain fogg and are too tired to make the difference, IT IS VERY DANGEROUS! Glen, I think you should stop! Believe me, you are very wrong in some of the things you say, and I would appreciate (I say this for the third time) if you would change the way you say things. Whatever your experience is, it doesn't make it right for everybody. This email doesn't want to be some form of excuse. I don't think I was inpolite in any way, and I don't think I did or said anything that needs an excuse. I am though worried (and annoyed). And I think Sol (I'm assuming you must be the moderator of this list), you should be worried too and do something about it. Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 And yet you don't say what it is that is dangerous or wrong. What is very dangerous? Attacking people personally doesn't make you right. The only thing I see that is DANGEROUS in your e-mails is the amount of mercury you have in your brain that is obviously clouding your sense of reality. Glen. Re: Re: Mercury Chelation Hi, I am getting very annoyed. Because I am getting already emails off the list (one of them very unpolite, from somebody named son Munro) telling me to stop this argument. I think this IS a very important issue. And I don't think anybody should treat it with ignorance. Normally, I wouldn't worry too much if I would see somebody posting incorrect information. If I would have time, I would post my own opinon. If I wouldn't, I would just delete the message, knowing that normally people ARE doing their own research anyway. My problem with the way Glen says things is that fact that he is not using expressions like " I think " , or " I'm not sure " , or " I guess " ... or something that would make people understand that he cannot possibly be sure that what he's talking about is absolutelly accurate. He advises people to do things that might be VERY dangerous for some of them (if not most of them). The way he says things sounds like he's an expert or something. For the unexperienced people, for people who desperately seek help, for sick people who have brain fogg and are too tired to make the difference, IT IS VERY DANGEROUS! Glen, I think you should stop! Believe me, you are very wrong in some of the things you say, and I would appreciate (I say this for the third time) if you would change the way you say things. Whatever your experience is, it doesn't make it right for everybody. This email doesn't want to be some form of excuse. I don't think I was inpolite in any way, and I don't think I did or said anything that needs an excuse. I am though worried (and annoyed). And I think Sol (I'm assuming you must be the moderator of this list), you should be worried too and do something about it. Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 No No Moria, please don't take what I said as wrong. It just seemed funny to me how you said " in any case. " I can tellyou I am merc toxic and I have taken my fair share of Chlorella, if anything it did help me out. Especially since I cannot yet remove my fillings or chelate since I am nursing my son. Rana Reply-To: adult-metal-chelation To: adult-metal-chelation Subject: Re: Mercury Chelation Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 21:05:08 -0000 > Moria I don't want to burst anyone's bubble or anything but...if one > believes that " chlorella is dangerous IN ANY CASE, " I think someone might > want to tell that to the MILLIONS of Japanese people who have used it for > eeeeons and lived health prosperous lives. My bubble remains unburst. I did mean " for people who are mercury toxic " , and my belief remains that it is dangerous. > I find it so hard to swallow that > people are so negative about believing in natures virtue!! ah, and I find it hard to swallow that some people are so willing to think their guesses and presumptions about others are correct. My beliefs about nature might really surprise you -- but you certainly won't find out what they are by TELLING ME what they are. best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 Chorella helps me too. I think we are all different. on 12/05/2002 9:16 PM, La Rana at larana@... wrote: No No Moria, please don't take what I said as wrong. It just seemed funny to me how you said " in any case. " I can tellyou I am merc toxic and I have taken my fair share of Chlorella, if anything it did help me out. Especially since I cannot yet remove my fillings or chelate since I am nursing my son. Rana Reply-To: adult-metal-chelation To: adult-metal-chelation Subject: Re: Mercury Chelation Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 21:05:08 -0000 > Moria I don't want to burst anyone's bubble or anything but...if one > believes that " chlorella is dangerous IN ANY CASE, " I think someone might > want to tell that to the MILLIONS of Japanese people who have used it for > eeeeons and lived health prosperous lives. My bubble remains unburst. I did mean " for people who are mercury toxic " , and my belief remains that it is dangerous. > I find it so hard to swallow that > people are so negative about believing in natures virtue!! ah, and I find it hard to swallow that some people are so willing to think their guesses and presumptions about others are correct. My beliefs about nature might really surprise you -- but you certainly won't find out what they are by TELLING ME what they are. best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2002 Report Share Posted December 7, 2002 I have no doubt that some people shouldn't use chlorella or cilantro or (insert- names- of -all- vitamins-nutrients- and -supplements-here). I've said before that every human body is different with different needs, and mine does just fine with what my doctor has me doing. I just wish that people wouldn't attack me for what I am choosing to do, and tell me to go against my doctors orders, although hopefully Sol has brought that to a halt. It's taken me 25 doctors and 10 years to find one I have absolute trust in, but y'all will just have to believe me on that because if I explained all the *whys* this would turn into a 400 page email. LOL > Hi LadyDarqFire, Moria and Glen are absolutely correct, regardless of what your doctor believes. Some mercury toxic people definitely have bad reactions to chlorella and cilantro. I know because I am one of them. Thought I was gonna die. Not necessary to discuss the issue to death though, because you can try them and see if you have a reaction or not. Someone told me that only about 30% do, so if that's true, the odds are in your favor ... Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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