Re: Re: Mercury Chelation

[Guest guest]

glen:

who was the doctor that treated you?

[Guest guest]

to glen

how did you feel at your worst

and what benefits did you get from the treatments

are you still undergoing treatment

does dr cruz work with dr levin?

Re: Re: Mercury Chelation

>

>

> glen:

>

> who was the doctor that treated you?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is a very one sided explanation, having mentioned possible

downsides of DMPS treatment without saying anything about the thousands

and thousands of people who have had brain damage from using ALA

(especially using Perricone). I for one have never been harmed by using

DMPS IV's (40 IV's so far) but, have been harmed using Andy's protocol,

I still have damage to my right eye to remind me. You also didn't

mention that the damage by ALA and DMSA is likely to involve the brain.

DMPS does not cross the BBB, but ALA and DMSA do. I've noticed some

statement here over the last couple of days regarding how people are

feeling while taking DMSA. People don't seem to be aware of the fact

that all chelators chelate more than the heavy metals they are trying to

get out of their bodies. They clearly aren't replacing the lost

nutrients. When having DMPS treatment (IV) on Monday, I get an IV of

minerals and vitamins the following Wednesday to replace what is lost,

otherwise I would be feeling VERY tired. There is no replacement for

going to an experienced chelating doctor and getting the correct

treatment for Mercury poisoning. Yes it does cost more, but doing it by

yourself from a book etc you stand the chance of getting brain damage

etc.

Regards, Glen.

Re: Mercury Chelation

> Can someone explain to me the differences between oral chelation and

IV chelation, or point me to an URL that discusses this. Besides

the obvious pill vs liquid. I'm not finding much info online about

why one is chosen over the other, which might be best, which might be

quickest, etc. Thank you

Hello DarqFire,

IV chelation is done in " one big shot " --- and

usually a large dose -- of chelation agent. This can be dangerous. Here

is a site devoted to the dangers of DMPS IV chelation:

http://www.dmpsbackfire.com/default.shtml

IV chelation is also expensive, as you need to pay for the

IV. It is usually done with DPMS, which is MUCH more

expensive than DMSA or ALA -- this also is a reason it is expensive.

EDTA is not an effective chelator of mercury or lead [it is also used

for IV chelation.]

Regarding oral chelation, you can read about Andy's protocol [one of

many possible protocols]. Andy's protocol is very low dose, and with

the doses frequently, in order to keep a steady [or somewhat steady]

level of the chelation agent in the bloodstream. If you DON'T do this

it can result in mercury redistribution, and many people respond poorly.

There are many protocols that do not do it this way. Here is information

on this, in detail:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/files/ANDY_INDEX

Look for the section about CHELATION DOSE AND DOSE SCHEDULE

and another setion about KEEPING A STEADY BLOODSTREAM LEVEL

OF CHELATION AGENTS AND " BAD " PROTOCOLS. This will fill you

in on this protocol.

With oral chelation you will probably have a wider choice

of chelation agents. Alpha lipoic acid, for example, is available

all over, is sold OTC freely, and is very inexpensive. I chelated

for 1.5 years and probably spent around $100 for the ALA for the entire

period.

I also do not much fancy the idea of IVs.

best wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

I am getting significantly better on the Cutler protocol 6 months down the

line, after 20 years of floundering around paying doctors bigtime bucks. One

of the largest consumers of mercury is the medical industry. I like not using

them. My doctor excluded, since she is in my insurance and has a ten dollar

copay. SJ

[Guest guest]

Andy, We've spoken about this 3 times, so, please don't talk like you

haven't heard this before. I've noticed that you like to take the

discussion of bad comments about your protocol off-line when it's bought

up. I've spoken to quite a few people that have ended up brain damaged

by Dr Perricone's protocol for wrinkles, I guess he never took mercury

poisoning into consideration or even knew ALA chelated mercury. I don't

know how you can say that chelators don't chelate essential minerals out

of the body as well mercury.

I agree whole heartedly with your last comment, what a fool I was not

to seek experienced help in chelating mercury, instead I tried buying a

yellow book of the internet and doing it myself. I have the blurred

vision in my right eye to remind me of what an idiot I was.

Regards, Glen.

Re: Mercury Chelation

> > Can someone explain to me the differences between oral chelation

and

> IV chelation, or point me to an URL that discusses this. Besides

> the obvious pill vs liquid. I'm not finding much info online about

> why one is chosen over the other, which might be best, which might

be

> quickest, etc. Thank you

>

> Hello DarqFire,

>

> IV chelation is done in " one big shot " --- and

> usually a large dose -- of chelation agent. This can be dangerous.

Here

> is a site devoted to the dangers of DMPS IV chelation:

> http://www.dmpsbackfire.com/default.shtml

>

> IV chelation is also expensive, as you need to pay for the

> IV. It is usually done with DPMS, which is MUCH more

> expensive than DMSA or ALA -- this also is a reason it is expensive.

> EDTA is not an effective chelator of mercury or lead [it is also

used

> for IV chelation.]

>

> Regarding oral chelation, you can read about Andy's protocol [one of

> many possible protocols]. Andy's protocol is very low dose, and

with

> the doses frequently, in order to keep a steady [or somewhat steady]

> level of the chelation agent in the bloodstream. If you DON'T do

this

> it can result in mercury redistribution, and many people respond

poorly.

> There are many protocols that do not do it this way. Here is

information

> on this, in detail:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/files/ANDY_INDEX

> Look for the section about CHELATION DOSE AND DOSE SCHEDULE

> and another setion about KEEPING A STEADY BLOODSTREAM LEVEL

> OF CHELATION AGENTS AND " BAD " PROTOCOLS. This will fill you

> in on this protocol.

>

> With oral chelation you will probably have a wider choice

> of chelation agents. Alpha lipoic acid, for example, is available

> all over, is sold OTC freely, and is very inexpensive. I chelated

> for 1.5 years and probably spent around $100 for the ALA for the

entire

> period.

>

> I also do not much fancy the idea of IVs.

>

> best wishes,

> Moria

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Valentina,

" You also didn't

> mention that the damage by ALA and DMSA is likely to involve the

> brain. "

As in DMPS will not because it doesn't cross the BBB and ALA will

because it does.

" can't possibly figure out how you got that conclusion. Actually I do

replace them, but you don't seem to be aware of some other thing. The

body is using those nutrients for the chelation process. It's not the

chelators themselves who pull out the nutrients (at least I don't think

so). It's the fact that the body needs a lot of nutrients for fighting

oxidative stress (which happens A LOT during chelation). It doesn't

matter what kind of chelation. "

NO, you are incorrect, chelators chelate more than the heavy metals,

that's why I get DMPS on Monday's and IV mineral and Vits on Wednesday.

I'm tired on Tuesday, and after my IV feel very good. I used to, in the

early days of DMPS treatments, take very high doses on minerals on

Tuesday if I felt too tired, the fatigue would start to subside after

only 20 minutes or so.

" autism-mercury group " ? I'm not a member of this group because

chelating and treating children for mercury is a completely different

problem. I wouldn't advise parents on chelating their children. For

instance I would suggest they use DMPS because it's too strong a

chelator. Not only do you have to deal with the usual problems of

chelation, children are also developing neurologically and mercury is a

neurotoxin. The potential for damage is that much more, you have to be

very careful.

You do not stand the same chance of successfully chelating mercury from

your body if you do it yourself than if you go to a doctor who has done

it many thousands of times. I'm living proof of this and I tell you

that doing it yourself can lead to severe problems and brain damage.

Glen.

Re: Mercury Chelation

> You also didn't

> mention that the damage by ALA and DMSA is likely to involve the

> brain.

DOH

> I've noticed some

> statement here over the last couple of days regarding how people are

> feeling while taking DMSA. People don't seem to be aware of the fact

> that all chelators chelate more than the heavy metals they are trying

to

> get out of their bodies. They clearly aren't replacing the lost

> nutrients.

I can't possibly figure out how you got that conclusion. Actually I do

replace them, but you don't seem to be aware of some other thing. The

body is using those nutrients for the chelation process. It's not the

chelators themselves who pull out the nutrients (at least I don't think

so). It's the fact that the body needs a lot of nutrients for fighting

oxidative stress (which happens A LOT during chelation). It doesn't

matter what kind of chelation.

> There is no replacement for

> going to an experienced chelating doctor and getting the correct

> treatment for Mercury poisoning.

Obviously you must not be a member of the autism-mercury group. You

would hear there about many parents who went to experienced doctors and

their kids got worse. Also, I am doing chelation by myself, Andy

protocol, and both me and my son are doing great. Never been to a

doctor. So I guess there is a replacement for going to an " experienced

chelating doctor " .

> Yes it does cost more, but doing it by

> yourself from a book etc you stand the chance of getting brain damage

> etc.

LOL!! Come on..... You mean by going to a doctor you don't stand the

same " chance " ? I would say that you have a lot more chances to have that

happening if you choose to let an " experienced doctor " take care of it.

Let's not forget that the same doctors got us brain damaged. There is

another way. You can learn to think for yourself and then it gets

incredibly easy. And safe. I'm not saying you're not thinking for

yourself if you're going to a doctor to do chelation. But I'm saying

it's easy to chelate, observe, read to educate yourself, do the thing

that's right for you, by yourself. A lot of people do it.

Valentina

[Guest guest]

> It's the fact that the body needs a lot of nutrients for fighting

> oxidative stress (which happens A LOT during chelation). It doesn't

> matter what kind of chelation. "

>

> NO, you are incorrect, chelators chelate more than the heavy metals,

> that's why I get DMPS on Monday's and IV mineral and Vits on Wednesday.

> I'm tired on Tuesday, and after my IV feel very good. I used to, in the

> early days of DMPS treatments, take very high doses on minerals on

> Tuesday if I felt too tired, the fatigue would start to subside after

> only 20 minutes or so.

You still don't convince me.... How do you know that actually I am wrong? I

still think that your body really needs a lot of nutrients *for* the

chelation process. Even if the chelators pull out some of them, which I don't

believe, but even if they do, I don't think it's very significant, because

then I think nobody would really finish chelation ever! It would be too hard

for your body and you would simply pull out what you ate during the day. It

doesn't sound logical to me. You would have no improvement ever.

Also, if you would really do some reading, as you said you did, you would

learn about what happens in your body during chelation. The body really uses

LOTS of nutrients. It uses them. It doesn't simply throw them out. Or, as you

say, the chelators pull them out.

Were you ever sick... let's say, with a cold? Why do you think you take zinc

and vitamin C and other things? Because your body throws them out? You body

needs them to use them. Do you know what oxidative stress means? I don't

think you do.

Sorry Glen, but what you say doesn't sound logical to me.

> " autism-mercury group " ? I'm not a member of this group because

> chelating and treating children for mercury is a completely different

> problem.

See, again you don't know what you're talking about. That group is not simply

about treating and chelating children. And anyway, why would that be a

different problem?

> I wouldn't advise parents on chelating their children.

No, you wouldn't do that, but you could learn a lot of useful things.

I chelated my kid who, a year ago, was severely autistic and now... I took

him to a doctor a couple of weeks ago and he said that my son is definitely

not autistic anymore. The school where he goes saw him 7 months ago for the

first time and back then they had no problem in evaluating him and agreeing

that he needs special education. Now... they tell me that the next year Denis

will only qualify for speech therapy.

I would advise parents to read and learn about chelation, and chelate their

kids. It's not that difficult. The only thing you need to do is THINK for

yourself! Which (please don't get upset with me, but this is true) you don't

seem to be able to do.

You said you chelated using Andy's protocol (but you don't explain) and that

you got injured and you make it sound like it's Andy's fault. Why can't

people take responsibility for their actions, huh? Why are you angry with

Andy, when it's actually YOUR own fault? Did anybody force you into doing

anything? I don't think so Glen.

> You do not stand the same chance of successfully chelating mercury from

> your body if you do it yourself than if you go to a doctor who has done

> it many thousands of times.

This phrase again makes me smile

You're speaking from your own experience, but that's only because you've read

a book, you thought you knew everything, and you were too lazy to learn more

and better.

You would be surprised to know that a lot of moms I know have A LOT more

knowledge about chelation (and not only) than many-many doctors you know.

> I'm living proof of this

and I can talk about the opposite thing. I can tell you about how doctors

injected stuff into my son, got him very sick, and how he is not autistic now

anymore, because I chelated him myself. No doctors! Not even a test ordered

by a doctor. NOTHING!!

> and I tell you

> that doing it yourself can lead to severe problems and brain damage.

Only in certain conditions Glen.

Valentina

[Guest guest]

I really think you need to learn allot more. When you get DMPS

treatment one of the things you do at the beginning is take a 24 hour

urine test, you send it to the lab (in my case Doctors data) and they

tell you the amounts of Mercury, lead, arsenic, uranium etc, etc that

came out in your urine. TOGETHER with the amount of Selenium Magnesium,

potassium, zinc etc etc that is chelated out. Then, when and if you

have heavy metal poisoning, you only have (in my case) the mercury

tested for and then only every 3rd DMPS treatment, to save money on

testing. In fact DD or someone messed up my first test and it came back

negative for mercury, however, the doctor noted that it also was

negative for zinc magnesium potassium etc etc, so we did it again,

because you cannot chelate and NOT have high amounts of GOOD minerals in

the urine. This is how I know that chelation chelates large quantities

of GOOD minerals and vitamins and is the reason you need IV treatment to

replace them. I'm very surprised you don't know this and is the reason

that maybe you should go and see a GOOD CHELATION doctor that has

chelated many thousands of others for heavy metal poisoning. I'm 100%

sure that the body goes through oxidative stress and this is another

reason for getting IV nutrients into your body, in fact, on of the

constituents of the IV is 20 Grams of Vitamin C.

The reason it's called the " Autism " group is because the group was set

up, at least originally, was to get advise to parents on their Autistic

children. I do read the group and I do learn things, however, I

wouldn't post such information about DMPS treatment to a children's

group because, and I'll repeat this because it's very important,

Children are very different to adults when it comes to chelation because

they are developing neurologically and are more prone to damage by free

floating mercury and it's affects on the nervous system. That's why it

annoys me when I here doctors comment about there being such a small

amount of mercury in inoculations and how could it damage children,

people just do not realise how fragile a neurological development is and

is the reason why Autism has increased 10 fold in children since the

beginning of the 70's.

If you want to learn more about the dangers of Andy's protocol, just

look at the archives of the Mercury Poisoning from Dental Amalgam

[AMALGAM@...] site. Actually I only just noticed that I was

talking to you on the [adult-metal-chelation group and you probably have

not heard me talk about the dangers of ALA.

One thing I did recently now that I have most of the mercury from my

system, was to test DMPS excretion against ALA excretion. The results

were DMPS 9.5ug/l of mercury after a 24 hour urine test as opposed to

ALA, 0.9ug/l after 24 hour urine test using 100mg every 4 hours for 3

days. Based on this result it would take me 15 years to chelate with

ALA or 400 * Andy's protocol. I don't know about you but I've already

been poisoned for 40 years and I don't want to wait another 15.

Incidentally my brother and I had Autism when young, mine was mild in

comparison to my brothers.

Did you ever get tested for mercury yourself? It would help with the

" Mercury rage " you have, which is a symptom of mercury poisoning, used

to suffer from it myself.

Regards, Glen.

Re: Re: Mercury Chelation

> It's the fact that the body needs a lot of nutrients for fighting

> oxidative stress (which happens A LOT during chelation). It doesn't

> matter what kind of chelation. "

>

> NO, you are incorrect, chelators chelate more than the heavy metals,

> that's why I get DMPS on Monday's and IV mineral and Vits on

> Wednesday. I'm tired on Tuesday, and after my IV feel very good. I

> used to, in the early days of DMPS treatments, take very high doses on

> minerals on Tuesday if I felt too tired, the fatigue would start to

> subside after only 20 minutes or so.

You still don't convince me.... How do you know that actually I am

wrong? I still think that your body really needs a lot of nutrients

*for* the chelation process. Even if the chelators pull out some of

them, which I don't believe, but even if they do, I don't think it's

very significant, because then I think nobody would really finish

chelation ever! It would be too hard for your body and you would simply

pull out what you ate during the day. It doesn't sound logical to me.

You would have no improvement ever. Also, if you would really do some

reading, as you said you did, you would learn about what happens in your

body during chelation. The body really uses LOTS of nutrients. It uses

them. It doesn't simply throw them out. Or, as you say, the chelators

pull them out. Were you ever sick... let's say, with a cold? Why do you

think you take zinc and vitamin C and other things? Because your body

throws them out? You body needs them to use them. Do you know what

oxidative stress means? I don't think you do.

Sorry Glen, but what you say doesn't sound logical to me.

> " autism-mercury group " ? I'm not a member of this group because

> chelating and treating children for mercury is a completely different

> problem.

See, again you don't know what you're talking about. That group is not

simply about treating and chelating children. And anyway, why would that

be a different problem?

> I wouldn't advise parents on chelating their children.

No, you wouldn't do that, but you could learn a lot of useful things. I

chelated my kid who, a year ago, was severely autistic and now... I took

him to a doctor a couple of weeks ago and he said that my son is

definitely not autistic anymore. The school where he goes saw him 7

months ago for the first time and back then they had no problem in

evaluating him and agreeing that he needs special education. Now... they

tell me that the next year Denis will only qualify for speech therapy. I

would advise parents to read and learn about chelation, and chelate

their kids. It's not that difficult. The only thing you need to do is

THINK for yourself! Which (please don't get upset with me, but this is

true) you don't seem to be able to do. You said you chelated using

Andy's protocol (but you don't explain) and that you got injured and you

make it sound like it's Andy's fault. Why can't people take

responsibility for their actions, huh? Why are you angry with Andy, when

it's actually YOUR own fault? Did anybody force you into doing anything?

I don't think so Glen.

> You do not stand the same chance of successfully chelating mercury

> from your body if you do it yourself than if you go to a doctor who

> has done it many thousands of times.

This phrase again makes me smile

You're speaking from your own experience, but that's only because you've

read a book, you thought you knew everything, and you were too lazy to

learn more and better. You would be surprised to know that a lot of moms

I know have A LOT more knowledge about chelation (and not only) than

many-many doctors you know.

> I'm living proof of this

and I can talk about the opposite thing. I can tell you about how

doctors injected stuff into my son, got him very sick, and how he is not

autistic now anymore, because I chelated him myself. No doctors! Not

even a test ordered by a doctor. NOTHING!!

> and I tell you

> that doing it yourself can lead to severe problems and brain damage.

Only in certain conditions Glen.

Valentina

[Guest guest]

While we're on the topic of numbers here, can someone explain to the exactly

what *ug/g* is? I'd like to try and get an idea on HOW poisoned I am. This

chart I have says (in regards to mercury) if you're below 3 you're doing ok.

If you've hit 20 you're in serious trouble. The chart goes all the way up to

50, and my count is off the chart ... ran right off the paper so they couldn't

get an accurate measurment from the first test, but they did a second test and

adjusted something and told me my number is 104. I have no idea what any of

this means.

>

I really think you need to learn allot more. When you get DMPS

treatment one of the things you do at the beginning is take a 24 hour

urine test, you send it to the lab (in my case Doctors data) and they

tell you the amounts of Mercury, lead, arsenic, uranium etc, etc that

came out in your urine. TOGETHER with the amount of Selenium Magnesium,

potassium, zinc etc etc that is chelated out. Then, when and if you

have heavy metal poisoning, you only have (in my case) the mercury

tested for and then only every 3rd DMPS treatment, to save money on

testing. In fact DD or someone messed up my first test and it came back

negative for mercury, however, the doctor noted that it also was

negative for zinc magnesium potassium etc etc, so we did it again,

because you cannot chelate and NOT have high amounts of GOOD minerals in

the urine. This is how I know that chelation chelates large quantities

of GOOD minerals and vitamins and is the reason you need IV treatment to

replace them. I'm very surprised you don't know this and is the reason

that maybe you should go and see a GOOD CHELATION doctor that has

chelated many thousands of others for heavy metal poisoning. I'm 100%

sure that the body goes through oxidative stress and this is another

reason for getting IV nutrients into your body, in fact, on of the

constituents of the IV is 20 Grams of Vitamin C.

The reason it's called the " Autism " group is because the group was set

up, at least originally, was to get advise to parents on their Autistic

children. I do read the group and I do learn things, however, I

wouldn't post such information about DMPS treatment to a children's

group because, and I'll repeat this because it's very important,

Children are very different to adults when it comes to chelation because

they are developing neurologically and are more prone to damage by free

floating mercury and it's affects on the nervous system. That's why it

annoys me when I here doctors comment about there being such a small

amount of mercury in inoculations and how could it damage children,

people just do not realise how fragile a neurological development is and

is the reason why Autism has increased 10 fold in children since the

beginning of the 70's.

If you want to learn more about the dangers of Andy's protocol, just

look at the archives of the Mercury Poisoning from Dental Amalgam

[AMALGAM@...] site. Actually I only just noticed that I was

talking to you on the [adult-metal-chelation group and you probably have

not heard me talk about the dangers of ALA.

One thing I did recently now that I have most of the mercury from my

system, was to test DMPS excretion against ALA excretion. The results

were DMPS 9.5ug/l of mercury after a 24 hour urine test as opposed to

ALA, 0.9ug/l after 24 hour urine test using 100mg every 4 hours for 3

days. Based on this result it would take me 15 years to chelate with

ALA or 400 * Andy's protocol. I don't know about you but I've already

been poisoned for 40 years and I don't want to wait another 15.

Incidentally my brother and I had Autism when young, mine was mild in

comparison to my brothers.

Did you ever get tested for mercury yourself? It would help with the

" Mercury rage " you have, which is a symptom of mercury poisoning, used

to suffer from it myself.

Regards, Glen.

[Guest guest]

That's ug/l or micrograms per litre of urine.

While the test won't tell you your body burden of mercury, it will tell

you how much is coming out at any one time. The first two tests tend to

be very high because the easily available mercury comes out first. I

don't know what my first two results were but the third result was

49ug/l. This came down to about 30 ug/l, it platued for about a year at

this level then fell to about 10. My lowest level was 6.5 ug/l,

however, I live next to the WTC and a street cleaner covered me in dust

from the road, the blast of the dust caused me to take a breath of it

too. Two weeks later I did another DMPS/urine test and the mercury had

climbed back to 9.5ug/l. A couple of months ago I was talking to a

fellow mercury sufferer who's first test had come back as 264ug/l !!!!

As more and more reservoirs of easily available mercury are chelated out

you'll find that your levels will sink to lower and lower platues. The

only way of having an idea of how much mercury you have is how long you

have to chelate for before your levels fall below 5ug/l.

Regards, Glen.

Re: Re: Mercury Chelation

While we're on the topic of numbers here, can someone explain to the

exactly what *ug/g* is? I'd like to try and get an idea on HOW

poisoned I am. This chart I have says (in regards to mercury) if you're

below 3 you're doing ok. If you've hit 20 you're in serious trouble.

The chart goes all the way up to 50, and my count is off the chart ...

ran right off the paper so they couldn't get an accurate measurment from

the first test, but they did a second test and adjusted something and

told me my number is 104. I have no idea what any of this means.

>

I really think you need to learn allot more. When you get DMPS

treatment one of the things you do at the beginning is take a 24 hour

urine test, you send it to the lab (in my case Doctors data) and they

tell you the amounts of Mercury, lead, arsenic, uranium etc, etc that

came out in your urine. TOGETHER with the amount of Selenium

Magnesium,

potassium, zinc etc etc that is chelated out. Then, when and if you

have heavy metal poisoning, you only have (in my case) the mercury

tested for and then only every 3rd DMPS treatment, to save money on

testing. In fact DD or someone messed up my first test and it came

back

negative for mercury, however, the doctor noted that it also was

negative for zinc magnesium potassium etc etc, so we did it again,

because you cannot chelate and NOT have high amounts of GOOD minerals

in

the urine. This is how I know that chelation chelates large

quantities

of GOOD minerals and vitamins and is the reason you need IV treatment

to

replace them. I'm very surprised you don't know this and is the

reason

that maybe you should go and see a GOOD CHELATION doctor that has

chelated many thousands of others for heavy metal poisoning. I'm 100%

sure that the body goes through oxidative stress and this is another

reason for getting IV nutrients into your body, in fact, on of the

constituents of the IV is 20 Grams of Vitamin C.

The reason it's called the " Autism " group is because the group was set

up, at least originally, was to get advise to parents on their

Autistic

children. I do read the group and I do learn things, however, I

wouldn't post such information about DMPS treatment to a children's

group because, and I'll repeat this because it's very important,

Children are very different to adults when it comes to chelation

because

they are developing neurologically and are more prone to damage by

free

floating mercury and it's affects on the nervous system. That's why

it

annoys me when I here doctors comment about there being such a small

amount of mercury in inoculations and how could it damage children,

people just do not realise how fragile a neurological development is

and

is the reason why Autism has increased 10 fold in children since the

beginning of the 70's.

If you want to learn more about the dangers of Andy's protocol, just

look at the archives of the Mercury Poisoning from Dental Amalgam

[AMALGAM@...] site. Actually I only just noticed that I

was

talking to you on the [adult-metal-chelation group and you probably

have

not heard me talk about the dangers of ALA.

One thing I did recently now that I have most of the mercury from my

system, was to test DMPS excretion against ALA excretion. The

results

were DMPS 9.5ug/l of mercury after a 24 hour urine test as opposed to

ALA, 0.9ug/l after 24 hour urine test using 100mg every 4 hours for 3

days. Based on this result it would take me 15 years to chelate with

ALA or 400 * Andy's protocol. I don't know about you but I've already

been poisoned for 40 years and I don't want to wait another 15.

Incidentally my brother and I had Autism when young, mine was mild in

comparison to my brothers.

Did you ever get tested for mercury yourself? It would help with the

" Mercury rage " you have, which is a symptom of mercury poisoning, used

to suffer from it myself.

Regards, Glen.

[Guest guest]

Thank you Glen! I get my 2nd test in February and I'm very anxious to see the

numbers.

>

That's ug/l or micrograms per litre of urine.

While the test won't tell you your body burden of mercury, it will tell

you how much is coming out at any one time. The first two tests tend to

be very high because the easily available mercury comes out first. I

don't know what my first two results were but the third result was

49ug/l. This came down to about 30 ug/l, it platued for about a year at

this level then fell to about 10. My lowest level was 6.5 ug/l,

however, I live next to the WTC and a street cleaner covered me in dust

from the road, the blast of the dust caused me to take a breath of it

too. Two weeks later I did another DMPS/urine test and the mercury had

climbed back to 9.5ug/l. A couple of months ago I was talking to a

fellow mercury sufferer who's first test had come back as 264ug/l !!!!

As more and more reservoirs of easily available mercury are chelated out

you'll find that your levels will sink to lower and lower platues. The

only way of having an idea of how much mercury you have is how long you

have to chelate for before your levels fall below 5ug/l.

Regards, Glen.

[Guest guest]

Why so far in the future?

Re: Re: Mercury Chelation

Thank you Glen! I get my 2nd test in February and I'm very anxious to

see the numbers.

>

That's ug/l or micrograms per litre of urine.

While the test won't tell you your body burden of mercury, it will

tell

you how much is coming out at any one time. The first two tests tend

to

be very high because the easily available mercury comes out first. I

don't know what my first two results were but the third result was

49ug/l. This came down to about 30 ug/l, it platued for about a year

at

this level then fell to about 10. My lowest level was 6.5 ug/l,

however, I live next to the WTC and a street cleaner covered me in

dust

from the road, the blast of the dust caused me to take a breath of it

too. Two weeks later I did another DMPS/urine test and the mercury

had

climbed back to 9.5ug/l. A couple of months ago I was talking to a

fellow mercury sufferer who's first test had come back as 264ug/l !!!!

As more and more reservoirs of easily available mercury are chelated

out

you'll find that your levels will sink to lower and lower platues.

The

only way of having an idea of how much mercury you have is how long

you

have to chelate for before your levels fall below 5ug/l.

Regards, Glen.

[Guest guest]

Dr Warren Levin and Dr Louis Cruz in New York. .

Re: Re: Mercury Chelation

glen:

who was the doctor that treated you?

[Guest guest]

The doctor wants to do the 2nd test after I've had 6 treatments.

>

Why so far in the future?

[Guest guest]

There is a correlation between Urine and Poop excretion. The only time

there is a difference is if you are taking or getting IV of glutathione

which blocks the absorption of mercury into bile and subsequently poop.

I've never retested other metals such as tin, the only thing I have seen

is a continuing reduction in mercury from chelation with mercury and

platueing of the excretion at various levels.

Glen.

Re: Mercury Chelation

> I really think you need to learn allot more. When you get DMPS

> treatment one of the things you do at the beginning is take a 24

hour

> urine test, you send it to the lab (in my case Doctors data) and

they

> tell you the amounts of Mercury, lead, arsenic, uranium etc, etc

that

> came out in your urine. TOGETHER with the amount of Selenium

Magnesium,

> potassium, zinc etc etc that is chelated out. Then, when and if

you

> have heavy metal poisoning, you only have (in my case) the mercury

> tested for and then only every 3rd DMPS treatment, to save money on

> testing.

I have read quite a number of posts from parents who test urine and/or

poop on an ongoing basis, and who report that the metals coming out

CHANGE over time. For example, high tin for many rounds then high

mercury.... or " whatever " .

> One thing I did recently now that I have most of the mercury from my

> system, was to test DMPS excretion against ALA excretion. The

results

> were DMPS 9.5ug/l of mercury after a 24 hour urine test as opposed

to

> ALA, 0.9ug/l after 24 hour urine test using 100mg every 4 hours for

3

> days. Based on this result it would take me 15 years to chelate

with

> ALA or 400 * Andy's protocol.

Apparently you are not aware that ALA use results in most of the mercury

excretion in feces rather than urine. Poop is

rather difficult to test quantitatively, as I understand it.

regards,

Moria

[Guest guest]

I take it that you mean, how did I feel, at my worst, while getting DMPS

chelation.

Initially I was very very tired from DMPS, most people I've spoken to

think something is wrong with the treatment, I had to take

multi-minerals between getting DMPS on a Monday and getting IV minerals

etc on a Wednesday. You feel terrible. However, if you keep up with the

program you start to see remarkable improvements in neurological

symptoms (memory, depression etc) after 3-6 DMPS treatments, I even

started to walk twice as fast and my depression and anxiety were greatly

reduced. You have to avoid sulphites because getting so much mercury on

the move your sulphite oxidase is severely depleted. After 40

treatments, getting DMPS doesn't make me tired anymore and the changes

to my health are harder to detect. I have noticed that if I don't get

my DMPS treatment every 2 weeks I start to get a little more depressed

in weeks 4,5. which is easily reduced by getting another DMPS

treatment. There is a definite move of mercury away from the brain.

DMPS does not chelate the brain so unless there is a rebalancing of

mercury away from a high level of mercury (the brain) to a lower level

area (the body) I wouldn't be able to explain the reduction in

neurological symptoms.

I have recently resumed my DMPS treatments (2 so far). I'll be measuring

my mercury levels during the next treatment.

Dr Cruz currently works with Dr Levin.

Regards, Glen.

Re: Re: Mercury Chelation

to glen

how did you feel at your worst

and what benefits did you get from the treatments

are you still undergoing treatment

does dr cruz work with dr levin?

Re: Re: Mercury Chelation

>

>

> glen:

>

> who was the doctor that treated you?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Glen, I thought you were receiving IV DMPS? How often DID you and DO you

receive treatments? From a doc or are you doing something on your own? Am I

reading this right, that after 40 treatments you still aren't mercury free?

>

I take it that you mean, how did I feel, at my worst, while getting DMPS

chelation.

Initially I was very very tired from DMPS, most people I've spoken to

think something is wrong with the treatment, I had to take

multi-minerals between getting DMPS on a Monday and getting IV minerals

etc on a Wednesday. You feel terrible. However, if you keep up with the

program you start to see remarkable improvements in neurological

symptoms (memory, depression etc) after 3-6 DMPS treatments, I even

started to walk twice as fast and my depression and anxiety were greatly

reduced. You have to avoid sulphites because getting so much mercury on

the move your sulphite oxidase is severely depleted. After 40

treatments, getting DMPS doesn't make me tired anymore and the changes

to my health are harder to detect. I have noticed that if I don't get

my DMPS treatment every 2 weeks I start to get a little more depressed

in weeks 4,5. which is easily reduced by getting another DMPS

treatment. There is a definite move of mercury away from the brain.

DMPS does not chelate the brain so unless there is a rebalancing of

mercury away from a high level of mercury (the brain) to a lower level

area (the body) I wouldn't be able to explain the reduction in

neurological symptoms.

I have recently resumed my DMPS treatments (2 so far). I'll be measuring

my mercury levels during the next treatment.

Dr Cruz currently works with Dr Levin.

Regards, Glen.

[Guest guest]

I get IV DMPS on Mondays (250mg) and IV infusion of Vits and minerals on

Wednesdays. I do the treatment every other week.

I thought I would have been free of mercury after a couple of DMPS

chelations, how wrong I was, It's 2 years later now. And DMPS is the

most affect chelator there is.

Glen.

Re: Re: Mercury Chelation

Glen, I thought you were receiving IV DMPS? How often DID you and DO

you receive treatments? From a doc or are you doing something on your

own? Am I reading this right, that after 40 treatments you still aren't

mercury free?

>

I take it that you mean, how did I feel, at my worst, while getting

DMPS

chelation.

Initially I was very very tired from DMPS, most people I've spoken to

think something is wrong with the treatment, I had to take

multi-minerals between getting DMPS on a Monday and getting IV

minerals

etc on a Wednesday. You feel terrible. However, if you keep up with

the

program you start to see remarkable improvements in neurological

symptoms (memory, depression etc) after 3-6 DMPS treatments, I even

started to walk twice as fast and my depression and anxiety were

greatly

reduced. You have to avoid sulphites because getting so much mercury

on

the move your sulphite oxidase is severely depleted. After 40

treatments, getting DMPS doesn't make me tired anymore and the changes

to my health are harder to detect. I have noticed that if I don't get

my DMPS treatment every 2 weeks I start to get a little more depressed

in weeks 4,5. which is easily reduced by getting another DMPS

treatment. There is a definite move of mercury away from the brain.

DMPS does not chelate the brain so unless there is a rebalancing of

mercury away from a high level of mercury (the brain) to a lower level

area (the body) I wouldn't be able to explain the reduction in

neurological symptoms.

I have recently resumed my DMPS treatments (2 so far). I'll be

measuring

my mercury levels during the next treatment.

Dr Cruz currently works with Dr Levin.

Regards, Glen.

[Guest guest]

I'm scheduled for 10 monthly treatments and was kind of under the impression I

should be rid of at least most of this mercury. But I never asked specifically.

Guess I'd better write that down on my question list. LOL

>

I get IV DMPS on Mondays (250mg) and IV infusion of Vits and minerals on

Wednesdays. I do the treatment every other week.

I thought I would have been free of mercury after a couple of DMPS

chelations, how wrong I was, It's 2 years later now. And DMPS is the

most affect chelator there is.

Glen.

[Guest guest]

I can't stress how important it is to get the IV nutrients a day or so

after the DMPS treatments. Doing it every month is very conservative,

but not if you aren't getting the IV Vits and minerals. Part of the IV

is 20 grams of C.

Re: Re: Mercury Chelation

I'm scheduled for 10 monthly treatments and was kind of under the

impression I should be rid of at least most of this mercury. But I

never asked specifically. Guess I'd better write that down on my

question list. LOL

>

I get IV DMPS on Mondays (250mg) and IV infusion of Vits and minerals

on

Wednesdays. I do the treatment every other week.

I thought I would have been free of mercury after a couple of DMPS

chelations, how wrong I was, It's 2 years later now. And DMPS is the

most affect chelator there is.

Glen.

[Guest guest]

My Daily Supplements:

2000 mg Vit C

1200 mg Calcium

1800 mg Garlic

4500 mg Chlorella

1/2 teasp Cilantro Concentrate

>

I can't stress how important it is to get the IV nutrients a day or so

after the DMPS treatments. Doing it every month is very conservative,

but not if you aren't getting the IV Vits and minerals. Part of the IV

is 20 grams of C.

[Guest guest]

WhatEver.......

Valentina

> I really think you need to learn allot more. When you get DMPS

> treatment one of the things you do at the beginning is take a 24 hour

> urine test, you send it to the lab (in my case Doctors data) and they

> tell you the amounts of Mercury, lead, arsenic, uranium etc, etc that

> came out in your urine. TOGETHER with the amount of Selenium Magnesium,

> potassium, zinc etc etc that is chelated out. Then, when and if you

> have heavy metal poisoning, you only have (in my case) the mercury

> tested for and then only every 3rd DMPS treatment, to save money on

> testing. In fact DD or someone messed up my first test and it came back

> negative for mercury, however, the doctor noted that it also was

> negative for zinc magnesium potassium etc etc, so we did it again,

> because you cannot chelate and NOT have high amounts of GOOD minerals in

> the urine. This is how I know that chelation chelates large quantities

> of GOOD minerals and vitamins and is the reason you need IV treatment to

> replace them. I'm very surprised you don't know this and is the reason

> that maybe you should go and see a GOOD CHELATION doctor that has

> chelated many thousands of others for heavy metal poisoning. I'm 100%

> sure that the body goes through oxidative stress and this is another

> reason for getting IV nutrients into your body, in fact, on of the

> constituents of the IV is 20 Grams of Vitamin C.

>

> The reason it's called the " Autism " group is because the group was set

> up, at least originally, was to get advise to parents on their Autistic

> children. I do read the group and I do learn things, however, I

> wouldn't post such information about DMPS treatment to a children's

> group because, and I'll repeat this because it's very important,

> Children are very different to adults when it comes to chelation because

> they are developing neurologically and are more prone to damage by free

> floating mercury and it's affects on the nervous system. That's why it

> annoys me when I here doctors comment about there being such a small

> amount of mercury in inoculations and how could it damage children,

> people just do not realise how fragile a neurological development is and

> is the reason why Autism has increased 10 fold in children since the

> beginning of the 70's.

>

> If you want to learn more about the dangers of Andy's protocol, just

> look at the archives of the Mercury Poisoning from Dental Amalgam

> [AMALGAM@...] site. Actually I only just noticed that I was

> talking to you on the [adult-metal-chelation group and you probably have

> not heard me talk about the dangers of ALA.

>

> One thing I did recently now that I have most of the mercury from my

> system, was to test DMPS excretion against ALA excretion. The results

> were DMPS 9.5ug/l of mercury after a 24 hour urine test as opposed to

> ALA, 0.9ug/l after 24 hour urine test using 100mg every 4 hours for 3

> days. Based on this result it would take me 15 years to chelate with

> ALA or 400 * Andy's protocol. I don't know about you but I've already

> been poisoned for 40 years and I don't want to wait another 15.

> Incidentally my brother and I had Autism when young, mine was mild in

> comparison to my brothers.

>

> Did you ever get tested for mercury yourself? It would help with the

> " Mercury rage " you have, which is a symptom of mercury poisoning, used

> to suffer from it myself.

>

> Regards, Glen.

>

> Re: Re: Mercury Chelation

>

> > It's the fact that the body needs a lot of nutrients for fighting

> > oxidative stress (which happens A LOT during chelation). It doesn't

> > matter what kind of chelation. "

> >

> > NO, you are incorrect, chelators chelate more than the heavy metals,

> > that's why I get DMPS on Monday's and IV mineral and Vits on

> > Wednesday. I'm tired on Tuesday, and after my IV feel very good. I

> > used to, in the early days of DMPS treatments, take very high doses on

>

> > minerals on Tuesday if I felt too tired, the fatigue would start to

> > subside after only 20 minutes or so.

>

> You still don't convince me.... How do you know that actually I am

> wrong? I still think that your body really needs a lot of nutrients

> *for* the chelation process. Even if the chelators pull out some of

> them, which I don't believe, but even if they do, I don't think it's

> very significant, because then I think nobody would really finish

> chelation ever! It would be too hard for your body and you would simply

> pull out what you ate during the day. It doesn't sound logical to me.

> You would have no improvement ever. Also, if you would really do some

> reading, as you said you did, you would learn about what happens in your

> body during chelation. The body really uses LOTS of nutrients. It uses

> them. It doesn't simply throw them out. Or, as you say, the chelators

> pull them out. Were you ever sick... let's say, with a cold? Why do you

> think you take zinc and vitamin C and other things? Because your body

> throws them out? You body needs them to use them. Do you know what

> oxidative stress means? I don't think you do.

>

> Sorry Glen, but what you say doesn't sound logical to me.

>

> > " autism-mercury group " ? I'm not a member of this group because

> > chelating and treating children for mercury is a completely different

> > problem.

>

> See, again you don't know what you're talking about. That group is not

> simply about treating and chelating children. And anyway, why would that

> be a different problem?

>

> > I wouldn't advise parents on chelating their children.

>

> No, you wouldn't do that, but you could learn a lot of useful things. I

> chelated my kid who, a year ago, was severely autistic and now... I took

> him to a doctor a couple of weeks ago and he said that my son is

> definitely not autistic anymore. The school where he goes saw him 7

> months ago for the first time and back then they had no problem in

> evaluating him and agreeing that he needs special education. Now... they

> tell me that the next year Denis will only qualify for speech therapy. I

> would advise parents to read and learn about chelation, and chelate

> their kids. It's not that difficult. The only thing you need to do is

> THINK for yourself! Which (please don't get upset with me, but this is

> true) you don't seem to be able to do. You said you chelated using

> Andy's protocol (but you don't explain) and that you got injured and you

> make it sound like it's Andy's fault. Why can't people take

> responsibility for their actions, huh? Why are you angry with Andy, when

> it's actually YOUR own fault? Did anybody force you into doing anything?

> I don't think so Glen.

>

> > You do not stand the same chance of successfully chelating mercury

> > from your body if you do it yourself than if you go to a doctor who

> > has done it many thousands of times.

>

> This phrase again makes me smile

> You're speaking from your own experience, but that's only because you've

> read a book, you thought you knew everything, and you were too lazy to

> learn more and better. You would be surprised to know that a lot of moms

> I know have A LOT more knowledge about chelation (and not only) than

> many-many doctors you know.

>

> > I'm living proof of this

>

> and I can talk about the opposite thing. I can tell you about how

> doctors injected stuff into my son, got him very sick, and how he is not

> autistic now anymore, because I chelated him myself. No doctors! Not

> even a test ordered by a doctor. NOTHING!!

>

> > and I tell you

> > that doing it yourself can lead to severe problems and brain damage.

>

> Only in certain conditions Glen.

>

> Valentina

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > for the record, or in case anyone cares:

> > garlic, cholrella, and cilantro may all cause negative effects

> > in mercury toxic people. chlorella in particular is extremely

> > dangerous.

>

>

> Why can garlic be dangerous? It's high in sulfur, as are chelators

> like DMSA.

Dangerous may be a bit too strong a word.

Many people who are mercury toxic have messed-up sulfur

chemistry. However, it is messed up in different ways.

Not all the same. Some have high sulfur levels and need

to AVOID eating sulfury stuff and avoid sulfury supplements.

When taking ALA, they will do better on a very low sulfur

diet (since ALA is sulfury). Other people have low levels

of sulfur and need to eat MORE and take supplements (like NAC).

Garlic is one of many sulfury foods. For those who can eat

it, its great. It is antiviral, antibacterial, and wards off

vampires

>

>

This is exactly why people should *work with* a doctor. What is good for one

person may not be good for another. That supplement list I sent is what my

doctor and I worked out to be the best for MY body, not anyone else. I've been

feeling much better since starting those supplements, and when I encounter a

vampire I just laugh in his face!

>

[Guest guest]

I would definitely dump the Chlorella and Cilantro, this has the affect

of mobilizing the mercury in your body without removing it.

Glen.

Re: Re: Mercury Chelation

My Daily Supplements:

2000 mg Vit C

1200 mg Calcium

1800 mg Garlic

4500 mg Chlorella

1/2 teasp Cilantro Concentrate

>

I can't stress how important it is to get the IV nutrients a day or so

after the DMPS treatments. Doing it every month is very conservative,

but not if you aren't getting the IV Vits and minerals. Part of the

IV

is 20 grams of C.

[Guest guest]

I would definitely dump the Chlorella and Cilantro, this has the affect

of mobilizing the mercury in your body without removing it.

Glen.

Re: Re: Mercury Chelation

My Daily Supplements:

2000 mg Vit C

1200 mg Calcium

1800 mg Garlic

4500 mg Chlorella

1/2 teasp Cilantro Concentrate

>

I can't stress how important it is to get the IV nutrients a day or so

after the DMPS treatments. Doing it every month is very conservative,

but not if you aren't getting the IV Vits and minerals. Part of the

IV

is 20 grams of C.