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Mara - it is a big deal. I would get another doctor ASAP. Those umbers are high

enough to cause damage to your body.

[alldiabeticinternational] RN vs. MD

Hi there,

In my recent post under Where Is Stabilized, I was asking about

others' experience with levels.

I have been seen by a Diabetes nurse at the Diabetes Institute here

in Portland and she has been quite concerned about my high readings

of 300-400s.

However, the MD says it's not that big of a deal and we will take it

in stride and schedules me for follow up in August.

The nurse is concerned and tries to make another appt, my MD not

available so saw colleague and he says the same... not that big of

deal with those numbers. Just wait until Aug.

I'm beginning to wonder if I should look for a specialist? The nurse

is not authorized to increase meds, so I'm doing it on my own.

have others experienced this where one professional is concerned and

the others are not really that concerned?

curious

Mara

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I am hoorified when I read these posts. Number one---self medication is

dangerous and can be deadly. I never had a reading as high as yours, even on my

worst day of cheating...not even when I forgot my shot....You need an

Endocrinologist....I am sorry but I can not make comments about any GP or MD as

I have a notoriously LOUSY attitude of using a generalist where a specialist is

needed. I would not wait until August....Please listen to your Diabetes Nurse.

[alldiabeticinternational] RN vs. MD

Hi there,

In my recent post under Where Is Stabilized, I was asking about

others' experience with levels.

I have been seen by a Diabetes nurse at the Diabetes Institute here

in Portland and she has been quite concerned about my high readings

of 300-400s.

However, the MD says it's not that big of a deal and we will take it

in stride and schedules me for follow up in August.

The nurse is concerned and tries to make another appt, my MD not

available so saw colleague and he says the same... not that big of

deal with those numbers. Just wait until Aug.

I'm beginning to wonder if I should look for a specialist? The nurse

is not authorized to increase meds, so I'm doing it on my own.

have others experienced this where one professional is concerned and

the others are not really that concerned?

curious

Mara

pancreatitis info

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ThePancreatitisPlace/

diabetic recipes

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetic_recipes/

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Rolf Utegaard wrote:

>I am hoorified when I read these posts. Number one---self medication is

>dangerous and can be deadly.

" Self-medication " is the standard and normal for Type 1's, no horror about

it. It is essential for us to learn how food, activity and other variables

affect our bodies (and BG) so that, via testing and experience, we can

adjust our insulin (and/or intake and life style) to different and changing

circumstances. Properly working pancreases produce and deliver

ever-changing amounts of insulin to the system based on food eaten,

activity and many other parameters. We must do manually, with injected

insulin, what our bodies were designed (via a working pancreas) to do

automatically and that includes variable amounts of insulin under varying

circumstances.

>I never had a reading as high as yours, even on my worst day of

>cheating...not even when I forgot my shot....

That's because you're a Type 2 with some level of pancreatic function +

insulin-resistance versus the total lack of pancreatic function and

(usually) no insulin-resistance for a Type 1. With absolutely no natural

insulin in a T1, BG level can, without sufficient injected insulin and

various other factors, soar to limitless levels. 300-400 is very high for a

T2. While it is also very high and undesirable for a T1 (and we work hard

to avoid such), most of us (T1's) were diagnosed with BG levels of 600-800

or more. BG just keeps building if there isn't any (or enough) insulin to

stop it. That's why many T1's eat lower carb in order to avoid drastic

spikes but injected insulin will lower BG, and without the encumbrance of

insulin-resistance. BG regulation is especially difficult in children

because of all the growth/development/hormonal stages.

While we work hard to avoid high readings, it is a sustained high reading

that leads to dangerous DKA (diabetic ketoacidosis) which must be treated

in an ER. A simple spike to even 300-400 (for whatever reasons) can and

must be treated with insulin in order to avoid sustaining the high BG and

bigger problems.

Sandy

T1 - 1979

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> While we work hard to avoid high readings, it is a sustained high reading

> that leads to dangerous DKA (diabetic ketoacidosis) which must be treated

> in an ER. A simple spike to even 300-400 (for whatever reasons) can and

> must be treated with insulin in order to avoid sustaining the high BG and

> bigger problems.

>

Dont I ever know that! Let me tell you it is not a fun place to be!

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> am still having troubles finding a Doctor that can take me... and my Blood

> sugars are still running 350 and higher.

>

Can you not go to a GP and at least work on getting your sugars down until

you find an endo, right now Im seeing a GP for mine just because things are

going good and he's a great doctor,

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I think I am going to go off this list. I don't think it is of much value to mix

T1 and T2 diabetics because they are so very different and the rules for one are

the exceptions for the other. I should not respond to these posts because it

seems there is a preponderance of T1's on this list and I have nothing to say of

value or consequence to T1's. They have their separate issues, and I almost

always forget that what I comment on is going to be wrong. If my original

comments were directed at a T2, I would be correct....I know T1's are different,

and I think I was referring to meds, not insulin and I'm afraid that for all I

know, the post I commented on was a T1 diabetic. I have instructions from my DE

and Endo., to change my insulin and make adjustments....BUT not my meds, without

their input. So from now on I am going to keep my mouth shut.....

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Rolf Utegaard wrote:

>I am hoorified when I read these posts. Number one---self medication is

>dangerous and can be deadly.

" Self-medication " is the standard and normal for Type 1's, no horror about

it. It is essential for us to learn how food, activity and other variables

affect our bodies (and BG) so that, via testing and experience, we can

adjust our insulin (and/or intake and life style) to different and changing

circumstances. Properly working pancreases produce and deliver

ever-changing amounts of insulin to the system based on food eaten,

activity and many other parameters. We must do manually, with injected

insulin, what our bodies were designed (via a working pancreas) to do

automatically and that includes variable amounts of insulin under varying

circumstances.

>I never had a reading as high as yours, even on my worst day of

>cheating...not even when I forgot my shot....

That's because you're a Type 2 with some level of pancreatic function +

insulin-resistance versus the total lack of pancreatic function and

(usually) no insulin-resistance for a Type 1. With absolutely no natural

insulin in a T1, BG level can, without sufficient injected insulin and

various other factors, soar to limitless levels. 300-400 is very high for a

T2. While it is also very high and undesirable for a T1 (and we work hard

to avoid such), most of us (T1's) were diagnosed with BG levels of 600-800

or more. BG just keeps building if there isn't any (or enough) insulin to

stop it. That's why many T1's eat lower carb in order to avoid drastic

spikes but injected insulin will lower BG, and without the encumbrance of

insulin-resistance. BG regulation is especially difficult in children

because of all the growth/development/hormonal stages.

While we work hard to avoid high readings, it is a sustained high reading

that leads to dangerous DKA (diabetic ketoacidosis) which must be treated

in an ER. A simple spike to even 300-400 (for whatever reasons) can and

must be treated with insulin in order to avoid sustaining the high BG and

bigger problems.

Sandy

T1 - 1979

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Tina wrote:

>Then why with mine continuing to run over 300... do they not Worry about

>it? or are their Doctors that uneducated, as I have wondered why they can

>let some run high, and not deal with it. I am still having troubles

>finding a Doctor that can take me... and my Blood sugars are still running

>350 and higher.

I can't answer for them, Tina, but constant " 350 and higher " would worry me

and my doc. But maybe you haven't been " officially diagnosed " yet so nobody

is really " dealing with it. " I'm sure different bodies can operate at those

levels for different lengths of time. For me (T1), constant/consistent

350-500+ would put me in the ER with DKA (diabetic ketoacidosis) within a

couple weeks. (Been there, done that.)

How do you know your BG's are that high? Are they Always that high or just

within some period after eating? Did someone prescribe a glucometer or do

you do that on your own? There are a gazillion possible variables and even

an MD couldn't/wouldn't diagnose or prescribe treatment from afar without

appropriate test results.

Sandy

T1 - 1979

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Tina wrote:

>Then why with mine continuing to run over 300... do they not Worry about

>it? or are their Doctors that uneducated, as I have wondered why they can

>let some run high, and not deal with it. I am still having troubles

>finding a Doctor that can take me... and my Blood sugars are still running

>350 and higher.

I can't answer for them, Tina, but constant " 350 and higher " would worry me

and my doc. But maybe you haven't been " officially diagnosed " yet so nobody

is really " dealing with it. " I'm sure different bodies can operate at those

levels for different lengths of time. For me (T1), constant/consistent

350-500+ would put me in the ER with DKA (diabetic ketoacidosis) within a

couple weeks. (Been there, done that.)

How do you know your BG's are that high? Are they Always that high or just

within some period after eating? Did someone prescribe a glucometer or do

you do that on your own? There are a gazillion possible variables and even

an MD couldn't/wouldn't diagnose or prescribe treatment from afar without

appropriate test results.

Sandy

T1 - 1979

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Tina wrote:

>Then why with mine continuing to run over 300... do they not Worry about

>it? or are their Doctors that uneducated, as I have wondered why they can

>let some run high, and not deal with it. I am still having troubles

>finding a Doctor that can take me... and my Blood sugars are still running

>350 and higher.

I can't answer for them, Tina, but constant " 350 and higher " would worry me

and my doc. But maybe you haven't been " officially diagnosed " yet so nobody

is really " dealing with it. " I'm sure different bodies can operate at those

levels for different lengths of time. For me (T1), constant/consistent

350-500+ would put me in the ER with DKA (diabetic ketoacidosis) within a

couple weeks. (Been there, done that.)

How do you know your BG's are that high? Are they Always that high or just

within some period after eating? Did someone prescribe a glucometer or do

you do that on your own? There are a gazillion possible variables and even

an MD couldn't/wouldn't diagnose or prescribe treatment from afar without

appropriate test results.

Sandy

T1 - 1979

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Rolf Utegaard wrote:

>I don't think it is of much value to mix T1 and T2 diabetics because they

>are so very different and the rules for one are the exceptions for the other.

Yes, T1 and T2 are very different but T2's that use insulin as part of

their regimen are also very different from T2's who only use D&E or those

who use oral meds. We can still learn bits and pieces from each other that

we can apply to our own situations and that's what these lists are all

about. I have been on a couple diabetes Yahoo lists for years and most

posters (almost exclusively) were T2 but I learned some tidbits nonetheless

.. . . including some things about food that I hadn't been aware of as well

as the existence/use of glucose tablets (which has been very valuable for me).

I can speak from my own experience and knowledge (as far as it goes) re: T1

and insulin, etc. but I am thoroughly clueless re: diabetic oral meds

and/or interaction of those meds with other physical conditions, etc. so I

never venture info on such topics. That's also why I include my T1 status

in my signature so any readers/lurkers have some idea of my frame of

reference and can decide if there may/may not be any applicability to their

situation.

Sandy

T1 - 1979

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> I don't think it is of much value to mix T1 and T2 diabetics because they

> are so very different and the rules for one are the exceptions for the other. 

> I should not respond to these posts because it seems there is a

> preponderance of T1's on this list and I have nothing to say of value or

consequence to

> T1's.

>

I think there is a lot of value to it, mostly, we can learn from each other

and know what it is like on the other side. Also even though we medicate

differently (MDI vs DE) we still have a lot of the same issues, like

frustrations

over blood sugar frustrations, troubles with diet, figuring out why different

foods do different things, exercise, dealing with the threat of complications,

etc. There is a lot we can learn together. Also, soooo you made a comment that

wasnt pertinant to the person.. sooo what? I dont see how that is a huge

problem?? aslo I dont see how seperating the two wil do a lot there are still

differences in " rules " and treatments within type twos!

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> also have a Chronic wound that does not want to heal like it should nad I

> know that this is also due to me being Diabetic.  So the High Blood sugar is

> not helping that... Even when they used to send me to a Wound Healing

> Institute my Sugar was running over 250 ... and no one seemed to think that

was a

> contributor why the wound was not wanting to heal like it should.

>

May I ask a quesiton branching off subject. WHY dont wounds heal with

diabetics?

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