Re: Re: Law of Small Numbers andDiabetes

[Guest guest]

So I guess what we need to do is IDENTIFY the diabetics who are battling the

disease with pills or D&E and treat comments differently. The bottom line is the

med takers and D&E are approaching the disease with a completely different

attitude. It could be defiance or it could be stubbornness or it could be what

many of the rest of us may have once experienced in the early stages of T2.....a

super human determination to hold the disease at bay....But I did not allow

myself to obsess. What will be will be...I held out as long as I could through

each phase, but eventually had to accept the eventual....and my life goes on and

we just continue to beat the disease and even try to outsmart it. The one thing

I can agree upon with , and that is that the eat what you want and take

insulin for it is NOT A GOOD PLAN. Even those of us on insulin need to

understand what the job of insulin is in the body and what the interaction with

insulin, glucose and cells in the body is. If you notice obese people, you can

rest assured one thing is working in their cells in their fat tissue---that is

insulin.

[alldiabeticinternational] Re: Law of Small Numbers and Diabetes

>

> hey! don't know about everybody else, but as a type 1, i don't see

> that i'd have any problems with eating any of the recipes - so long

> as my carb count was right and i knew where i was at with my insulin.

>

> which, the insulin part, i admit has changed every time i see the

> doctor...but that's another story.

>

> rach

>

>

>

>> In a message dated 7/19/2004 5:49:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,

>> wambo1941@y... writes:

> So, I guess the answer is for

>> type 1's to avoid recipes all together, and eat plain fare. As

> for type 2's,

>> we have no problem with the recipes I send, as we do not have to

> tighten the

>> grips on carbs so tightly. Make sense? Sorry to the type 1's out

> there, I do

>> not desire it to be this way, but I see no alternative.

>

>

>

>

>

> pancreatitis info

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ThePancreatitisPlace/

>

> diabetic recipes

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetic_recipes/

>

[Guest guest]

Rolf Utegaard wrote:

>So I guess what we need to do is IDENTIFY the diabetics who are battling

>the disease with pills or D&E and treat comments differently.

Yup. T1 and T2 diabetes are two very different diseases with many

similarities of treatment. Interestingly enough, the same is true of

hyperglycemia (too high BG - diabetes) vs. hypoglycemia (too low BG) . . .

many of the treatments are similar.

That's why I usually include my T1 status in my signature line because I

juggle a different set of balls than T2's.

>the eat what you want and take insulin for it is NOT A GOOD PLAN.

It's the (eat) " what you want " that is subject to perspective, judgement

and choice . . . because to eat and take insulin to cover it is the ONLY

PLAN for those of us with T1. There are many options (and degrees) to

implementing that plan.

>Even those of us on insulin need to understand what the job of insulin is

>in the body and what the interaction with insulin, glucose and cells in

>the body is. If you notice obese people, you can rest assured one thing is

>working in their cells in their fat tissue---that is insulin.

The " job " (and the extent of that job and the " interaction " involved) of

insulin is quite different between T1 and T2 . . . as evidenced by the fact

that your stated 100-unit dosage level of Lantus works for you (in addition

to oral meds) as a T2 but would be very dangerous (possibly lethal) and way

too high for me as a T1 (with no oral meds . . . but also no pancreas

function).

Sandy

T1 - 1979

[Guest guest]

<< It's the (eat) " what you want " that is subject to perspective, judgement

and choice . . . because to eat and take insulin to cover it is the ONLY

PLAN for those of us with T1. There are many options (and degrees) to

implementing that plan. >>

Well i think it is a matter of perspective. When someone says " to eat what

you want and take insulin to cover it " to me implies just that, without regard

to if it is healthier or not. As a type one I still watch what i eat, so as to

avoid cardiac issues, kidney issues , eye issues in 30 years from now etc. Im

still not clear on how at risk t1's are for complications. I have been told if

I watch my sugars then my risks are minimal to none, then I have heard no

matter how well controlled a diabetic is one can get complications. So, I play

it

safe and try to eat well, I avoid sugar cause i have to take more insulin for

it than for healthier food. Plus, I do feel " healthier " since getting this as

I eat 3 balanced meals a day (where I used to eat one at 10pm) cut out the

caffeine, quit smoking, and eat healthier. I guess when I picture the eat what

you want idea, I think of someoen who eats a bag of mnm's and then takes

insulin to cover it after their BS has gotten sky high (like my mother who is

type

2)..

[Guest guest]

<< It's the (eat) " what you want " that is subject to perspective, judgement

and choice . . . because to eat and take insulin to cover it is the ONLY

PLAN for those of us with T1. There are many options (and degrees) to

implementing that plan. >>

Well i think it is a matter of perspective. When someone says " to eat what

you want and take insulin to cover it " to me implies just that, without regard

to if it is healthier or not. As a type one I still watch what i eat, so as to

avoid cardiac issues, kidney issues , eye issues in 30 years from now etc. Im

still not clear on how at risk t1's are for complications. I have been told if

I watch my sugars then my risks are minimal to none, then I have heard no

matter how well controlled a diabetic is one can get complications. So, I play

it

safe and try to eat well, I avoid sugar cause i have to take more insulin for

it than for healthier food. Plus, I do feel " healthier " since getting this as

I eat 3 balanced meals a day (where I used to eat one at 10pm) cut out the

caffeine, quit smoking, and eat healthier. I guess when I picture the eat what

you want idea, I think of someoen who eats a bag of mnm's and then takes

insulin to cover it after their BS has gotten sky high (like my mother who is

type

2)..

[Guest guest]

<< It's the (eat) " what you want " that is subject to perspective, judgement

and choice . . . because to eat and take insulin to cover it is the ONLY

PLAN for those of us with T1. There are many options (and degrees) to

implementing that plan. >>

Well i think it is a matter of perspective. When someone says " to eat what

you want and take insulin to cover it " to me implies just that, without regard

to if it is healthier or not. As a type one I still watch what i eat, so as to

avoid cardiac issues, kidney issues , eye issues in 30 years from now etc. Im

still not clear on how at risk t1's are for complications. I have been told if

I watch my sugars then my risks are minimal to none, then I have heard no

matter how well controlled a diabetic is one can get complications. So, I play

it

safe and try to eat well, I avoid sugar cause i have to take more insulin for

it than for healthier food. Plus, I do feel " healthier " since getting this as

I eat 3 balanced meals a day (where I used to eat one at 10pm) cut out the

caffeine, quit smoking, and eat healthier. I guess when I picture the eat what

you want idea, I think of someoen who eats a bag of mnm's and then takes

insulin to cover it after their BS has gotten sky high (like my mother who is

type

2)..

[Guest guest]

Your comments sound like I would make them....and you are right--I should have

remembered that the diabetics who do this that I take issue with are my friends

who are T2....I know my T1 friends have a whole different issue...but my T2's

really upset me when they do that. I was taught real early in my education of T2

diabetes of the correlation of glucose, insulin and fat cells. I was taught that

my goal was to try to control my diabetes to the point that I could lower my

insulin doses, and that is what I am doing. I was told that when I did that and

combined it with enough exercise, I would lose weight.AND, because I lost

weight, I could reduce my insulin....ROLF

Re: [alldiabeticinternational] Re: Re: Law of Small Numbers

andDiabetes

<< It's the (eat) " what you want " that is subject to perspective, judgement

and choice . . . because to eat and take insulin to cover it is the ONLY

PLAN for those of us with T1. There are many options (and degrees) to

implementing that plan. >>

Well i think it is a matter of perspective. When someone says " to eat what

you want and take insulin to cover it " to me implies just that, without regard

to if it is healthier or not. As a type one I still watch what i eat, so as to

avoid cardiac issues, kidney issues , eye issues in 30 years from now etc. Im

still not clear on how at risk t1's are for complications. I have been told if

I watch my sugars then my risks are minimal to none, then I have heard no

matter how well controlled a diabetic is one can get complications. So, I play

it

safe and try to eat well, I avoid sugar cause i have to take more insulin for

it than for healthier food. Plus, I do feel " healthier " since getting this as

I eat 3 balanced meals a day (where I used to eat one at 10pm) cut out the

caffeine, quit smoking, and eat healthier. I guess when I picture the eat what

you want idea, I think of someoen who eats a bag of mnm's and then takes

insulin to cover it after their BS has gotten sky high (like my mother who is

type

2)..

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diabetic recipes

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