Guest guest Posted August 16, 2002 Report Share Posted August 16, 2002 Have had a bit of a chelation set back and am wondering if there is anybody out there who personally knows someone with MS who has finished chelation and has improved their symptoms with it. I find all this talk about how great this is but have yet to meet or speak with an individual that this has helped personally. I will keep plugging away with this but would like some prooof that it has truly helped others. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2002 Report Share Posted August 16, 2002 In a message dated 8/16/02 11:56:26 AM Central Daylight Time, moriam@... writes: > I subscribe to the " Andy Cutler school of chelation " , which > calls for ORAL low-dosage of ALA and/or DMSA and/or DMPS.... > taken every 3 to 4 hours (including at night). After going to virtually every center that treats CFS, MCS, and being personally handled by Gulf War Illness researchers, I too, believe that anyone who is going to chelate should follow Cutler. Remember to actually buy the book and read it before doing such things as chelating continuously without rest periods, for example. There are on and off days. I do not know an MS person who has chelated, but if a person has been boxed into that diagnosis, I think there may be some things that may not be reversible. I do know someone with MS who began taking pesticides out of their diet, etc. They were in a wheelchair and came to my house to get some organic food I had as I recall. I think they are probably still in a wheelchair, but one has to begin to think of progression of illness, and eliminating things such as mercury. Cutler's book has so many supplements and suggestions for substances that help the brain, I would think that might be a good reason to read the book. As for chelating, I'd do it for MS, although I do not have it (was told once that I might be getting it....alas along with everything else) because I think mercury is terribly toxic to the brain. I myself had a frustrating time understanding what to do and Moria helped alot, so if one is chelating for MS stay online and/or ask what to do. There seems to be someone willing to answer questions on this list, always in such a kind manner. I think anyone who is seriously ill ought to chelate per Cutler. SJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2002 Report Share Posted August 16, 2002 , > Have had a bit of a chelation set back and am wondering if there is anybody out there who personally knows someone with MS who has finished chelation and has improved their symptoms with it. I find all this talk about how great this is but have yet to meet or speak with an individual that this has helped personally. I will keep plugging away with this but would like some prooof that it has truly helped others. > Thanks, > > Regarding your previous message and this, Have you had your amalgams, amalgams under crown removed etc? If not don't chelate. If you recently have and are reacting badly to chelation I would say just stop and wait for a bit (like a couple months) and see what happens. It's impossible to chelate to slowly but you can chelate to fast. Also I would say , don't use EDTA, I have only heard bad things about it. cz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2002 Report Share Posted August 16, 2002 > Have had a bit of a chelation set back and am wondering if there is anybody out there who personally knows someone with MS who has finished chelation and has improved their symptoms with it. I find all this talk about how great this is but have yet to meet or speak with an individual that this has helped personally. I will keep plugging away with this but would like some prooof that it has truly helped others. > Thanks, Hello , I believe that all of the people in this file are real people: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/files/LOVE_LETTERS They do not meet your " MS " reqirement, as far as I know. I have not met these people but believe they are actual folks. Please note that MANY of the people in this file have had quite significant improvements from chelation. " " , listed in the BOTTOM section on " amalgam removal only " listed MS as a DX. (But does not appear to have chelated, which is why it is in the " amalgam replacement only " section.) Here is a speech/testimonial from a recovered MS person: http://medicaltruth.com/mercury/mercury.html I found it compelling and saved the URL. I don't know if he chelated, but it does make a case for mercury detox being related to MS. I do not know him. best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2002 Report Share Posted August 16, 2002 > Have had a bit of a chelation set back and am wondering if there is anybody out there who personally knows someone with MS who has finished chelation and has improved their symptoms with it. I find all this talk about how great this is but have yet to meet or speak with an individual that this has helped personally. I will keep plugging away with this but would like some prooof that it has truly helped others. whoops! I meant to also comment on the " setback " part. There are (sadly) lots of people who have had bad results from chelation. I think a lot of this is due to using inferior chelation methods (unknowingly of course, with best intentions). I subscribe to the " Andy Cutler school of chelation " , which calls for ORAL low-dosage of ALA and/or DMSA and/or DMPS.... taken every 3 to 4 hours (including at night). best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2002 Report Share Posted August 16, 2002 Hi , Just for some support - even following Andy's protocol you can have some minor setbacks even when you are doing everything right just because of your bodies individual chemical make up and things change as we chelate . For instance when I thought it was time to increase the dosage it was too soon and I had too many side effects. You just need to figure out what the problem was caused by and correct it. Some of this is still trial and error and fiinding what works for you and what your body needs. If you don't have Andy's book it is worth the cost to give you more insight into possible problems with chelation and solutions. Keep trying, TK > Have had a bit of a chelation set back and am wondering if there is anybody out there who personally knows someone with MS who has finished chelation and has improved their symptoms with it. I find all this talk about how great this is but have yet to meet or speak with an individual that this has helped personally. I will keep plugging away with this but would like some prooof that it has truly helped others. > Thanks, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2002 Report Share Posted August 16, 2002 Thank you for your encouragement. I worked as a dental assistant in high school and had my last amalgam removed 3 yrs ago. I'm thinking it was the EDTA and the fact that the IV took only 50 minutes. I am still hopeful and will try to follow Andy's book. thanks, again Re: Real People , > Have had a bit of a chelation set back and am wondering if there is anybody out there who personally knows someone with MS who has finished chelation and has improved their symptoms with it. I find all this talk about how great this is but have yet to meet or speak with an individual that this has helped personally. I will keep plugging away with this but would like some prooof that it has truly helped others. > Thanks, > > Regarding your previous message and this, Have you had your amalgams, amalgams under crown removed etc? If not don't chelate. If you recently have and are reacting badly to chelation I would say just stop and wait for a bit (like a couple months) and see what happens. It's impossible to chelate to slowly but you can chelate to fast. Also I would say , don't use EDTA, I have only heard bad things about it. cz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2002 Report Share Posted August 16, 2002 Moria, I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with me. I have decided to use Andy's method and now am debating if I should go to the Dr. he works with or try to do this on my own. Any recommendations and things I might need to consider would be appreciated. Thank you, Re: Real People > Have had a bit of a chelation set back and am wondering if there is anybody out there who personally knows someone with MS who has finished chelation and has improved their symptoms with it. I find all this talk about how great this is but have yet to meet or speak with an individual that this has helped personally. I will keep plugging away with this but would like some prooof that it has truly helped others. whoops! I meant to also comment on the " setback " part. There are (sadly) lots of people who have had bad results from chelation. I think a lot of this is due to using inferior chelation methods (unknowingly of course, with best intentions). I subscribe to the " Andy Cutler school of chelation " , which calls for ORAL low-dosage of ALA and/or DMSA and/or DMPS.... taken every 3 to 4 hours (including at night). best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2002 Report Share Posted August 16, 2002 Thank you for your support. I have been so encouraged and look forward to getting to the point where I will have some knowledge to offer someone else. Re: Real People Hi , Just for some support - even following Andy's protocol you can have some minor setbacks even when you are doing everything right just because of your bodies individual chemical make up and things change as we chelate . For instance when I thought it was time to increase the dosage it was too soon and I had too many side effects. You just need to figure out what the problem was caused by and correct it. Some of this is still trial and error and fiinding what works for you and what your body needs. If you don't have Andy's book it is worth the cost to give you more insight into possible problems with chelation and solutions. Keep trying, TK > Have had a bit of a chelation set back and am wondering if there is anybody out there who personally knows someone with MS who has finished chelation and has improved their symptoms with it. I find all this talk about how great this is but have yet to meet or speak with an individual that this has helped personally. I will keep plugging away with this but would like some prooof that it has truly helped others. > Thanks, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2002 Report Share Posted August 16, 2002 > Moria, I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with me. I have decided to use Andy's method and now am debating if I should go to the Dr. he works with or try to do this on my own. Any recommendations and things I might need to consider would be appreciated. Thank you, Hi , This is a very personal decision to make. There are a lot of things to consider. Such as how comfortable or uncomfortable it would be to start out " on your own " , for you. Such as how much it would cost to go to Seattle from wherever you are. Such as how you feel about your general health. You can also consider that NDs can (I think!) order tests and prescribe drugs in WA. This may have both obvious and not-so-obvious benefits. When figuring costs you can also consider if you have insurance. What is most important to you will be different than to someone else, so you have to consider it for yourself. Maybe money is not a big issue, but time is. Or maybe doing it " the safest way " with the most support is really critical. There are just a LOT of things that might affect your decision. Even though I have a lot of confidence that Dr. Marschall is experienced and competent, you may want to think through what you want from a doctor. You can find my thoughts on the subject here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/files/HOW_TO_find_doctor You can also skip this, of course, I'm just offering it FWIW. Another thing I want to mention is that regardless of what you decide, you can ALSO think about what resources and backup plans you have. Maybe this sounds " extreme " , I don't mean it to. In my case, for example, I did not go to a " chelation doc " , but I did have: --an active list to write to (autism-mercury) --an acupuncturist who I saw regularly who could tell me how my liver was faring (from Tradition Chinese Medicine point of view) --awareness of the existance of a couple of " chelation doctors " locally in case I suddenly wanted to go see them --a couple of people who did body work on me from time to time --a buddy who was ALSO starting chelation at the same time to compare notes with. --reasonable insurance --various other practitioners I've worked with over the years Your list won't look like mine, and making a list may not be important--- I'm just suggesting that there are a VARIETY of KINDS of support that one might happen to have, or want to seek, or even that one might desire. And I do NOT mean to suggest that you need any more resources than you have--- more I mean that you may have resources you could call on " in a pinch " that you don't even think about. Again, this may sound " extreme " -- I was pretty nervous about it when I started !!! As time went on I aquired a wider range of resources of various kinds, too (and I got a LOT less nervous!) You can review the BASICS of Andy's chelation dose and schedule here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/files/Andy_dose_sched This does NOT include: supplements, tests to do beforehand, and getting a diagnosis (to be sure you are working on the " right " problem.) My " gentle " view on the subject is that I can do what feels appropriate TO ME; I can change my mind any time (and multiple times); I should PAY ATTENTION as I go along; I can ask new questions as I go along; and I can be prepared/willing to adjust my plans as I go along. These are ideas that help for me. I just LIKE a view where I have choices and none of the options are " wrong " even if I change my mind later. Your mileage may vary. best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2002 Report Share Posted August 16, 2002 There is a man here where I live that has MS and does HBO treatments and he is out of his wheelchair and working now. It took quite a few treatments at first but now he just has to maintain with maybe two treatments a month. They feel MS is a circulation problem. I believe toxins and infections can cause these problems. HBO is great for infections and getting oxygen to the brain. I think there are many causes of MS but after what I have been though with the mercury issue,it can definately affect the brain, I had an MRI done when I went numb and tingling to rule out MS. It was clear. The only thing I had was low blood volume and that was definately caused by the huge amount of mercury in my hypothalmus. The hypothalmus controls the blood volume. I will get another test done after I finish detox if I ever do. It may be years and I may not live that long to see the day I am mercury free. MS people are always tired as well so it would be good if they were detoxed,dead teeth removed, cavitations cleaned and throughly checked for infections. I do not think they have done this with a group of people but it would be interesting to see this happen. I think they have done some in Germany with good results. Re: Re: Real People > In a message dated 8/16/02 11:56:26 AM Central Daylight Time, > moriam@... writes: > > > > I subscribe to the " Andy Cutler school of chelation " , which > > calls for ORAL low-dosage of ALA and/or DMSA and/or DMPS.... > > taken every 3 to 4 hours (including at night). > > > After going to virtually every center that treats CFS, MCS, and being > personally handled by Gulf War Illness researchers, I too, believe that > anyone who is going to chelate should follow Cutler. Remember to actually buy > the book and read it before doing such things as chelating continuously > without rest periods, for example. There are on and off days. > > I do not know an MS person who has chelated, but if a person has been boxed > into that diagnosis, I think there may be some things that may not be > reversible. I do know someone with MS who began taking pesticides out of > their diet, etc. They were in a wheelchair and came to my house to get some > organic food I had as I recall. I think they are probably still in a > wheelchair, but one has to begin to think of progression of illness, and > eliminating things such as mercury. > > Cutler's book has so many supplements and suggestions for substances that > help the brain, I would think that might be a good reason to read the book. > > As for chelating, I'd do it for MS, although I do not have it (was told once > that I might be getting it....alas along with everything else) because I > think mercury is terribly toxic to the brain. > > I myself had a frustrating time understanding what to do and Moria helped > alot, so if one is chelating for MS stay online and/or ask what to do. There > seems to be someone willing to answer questions on this list, always in such > a kind manner. I think anyone who is seriously ill ought to chelate per > Cutler. SJ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2002 Report Share Posted August 17, 2002 Another thing I forgot to mention is that in Germany they pulled all the mercury filled teeth and I think the recovery rate was around 89% for MS. The theroy was that it was the mercury in the roots as well that was causing problems. They found high amounts of mercury in the gums and jawbones and other heavy metals. This can inhibit the enzymes and prohibit glucose from getting to the brain. My enzymes were severely inhibited in my teeth that were removed. No wonder people have brain problems. Mercury is an enzyme inhibitor. I think Iv's on mins and vits can help people recover as well as glyconutrients. Many have had success with these methods. I had an IV of vits and mins when I first got so fatigued and it brought me right out of it for a few months. It gets right into the cell through IV's. Many people get help with this. Re: Re: Real People > > > > In a message dated 8/16/02 11:56:26 AM Central Daylight Time, > > moriam@... writes: > > > > > > > I subscribe to the " Andy Cutler school of chelation " , which > > > calls for ORAL low-dosage of ALA and/or DMSA and/or DMPS.... > > > taken every 3 to 4 hours (including at night). > > > > > > After going to virtually every center that treats CFS, MCS, and being > > personally handled by Gulf War Illness researchers, I too, believe that > > anyone who is going to chelate should follow Cutler. Remember to actually > buy > > the book and read it before doing such things as chelating continuously > > without rest periods, for example. There are on and off days. > > > > I do not know an MS person who has chelated, but if a person has been > boxed > > into that diagnosis, I think there may be some things that may not be > > reversible. I do know someone with MS who began taking pesticides out of > > their diet, etc. They were in a wheelchair and came to my house to get > some > > organic food I had as I recall. I think they are probably still in a > > wheelchair, but one has to begin to think of progression of illness, and > > eliminating things such as mercury. > > > > Cutler's book has so many supplements and suggestions for substances that > > help the brain, I would think that might be a good reason to read the > book. > > > > As for chelating, I'd do it for MS, although I do not have it (was told > once > > that I might be getting it....alas along with everything else) because I > > think mercury is terribly toxic to the brain. > > > > I myself had a frustrating time understanding what to do and Moria helped > > alot, so if one is chelating for MS stay online and/or ask what to do. > There > > seems to be someone willing to answer questions on this list, always in > such > > a kind manner. I think anyone who is seriously ill ought to chelate per > > Cutler. SJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 > Thank you for your encouragement. I worked as a dental assistant in high school and had my last amalgam removed 3 yrs ago. I'm thinking it was the EDTA and the fact that the IV took only 50 minutes. I am still hopeful and will try to follow Andy's book. thanks, again > > Dear , EDTA chelation should never be done in less than 3 hours. I am doing EDTA chelation for the removal of aluminum and I have them slow it down so that it takes 4 hours because it feels more comfortable for me. I am going to an excellent clinic where they ALWAYS check my creatine before I do chelation. My doctor told me that the slower that EDTA chelation was done the more effective it was. Stay away from the clincs that use shortcuts. My doctor does not consider EDTA to be effective for the removal of mercury. Marie Flowers > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 > Thank you for your encouragement. I worked as a dental assistant in high school and had my last amalgam removed 3 yrs ago. I'm thinking it was the EDTA and the fact that the IV took only 50 minutes. I am still hopeful and will try to follow Andy's book. thanks, again > > Dear , EDTA chelation should never be done in less than 3 hours. I am doing EDTA chelation for the removal of aluminum and I have them slow it down so that it takes 4 hours because it feels more comfortable for me. I am going to an excellent clinic where they ALWAYS check my creatine before I do chelation. My doctor told me that the slower that EDTA chelation was done the more effective it was. Stay away from the clincs that use shortcuts. My doctor does not consider EDTA to be effective for the removal of mercury. Marie Flowers > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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