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I hear where you are coming from, but it also sounds to me like you have a

lot of anger. I don't want to turn this into a therapy session--just some

stuff to think about. I used to work at Lane a clothing store for

'large women'. At the time I weighed about 230 lbs, I'm down to 180.5 now.

Anyway, there's no better way to say it than this--a lot of us 'large women'

have really bad attitudes. I think a lot of it stems from low self-esteem

and then it gets projected out as anger. There was a 'thin' girl who used to

work there and she got tons of crap just for being small. Customers wouldn't

ask her advice and fellow sales associates would make jokes about the skinny

chick. It was so self-defeating. Anyhow, I went in there the other day to

look at clothes (i still where a 14/16) and I got a lot of attitude. ME!

Apparently i'm too fat to be 'normal' but not fat enough to shop there with

respect. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

So, my point is, and I hope I made it, is that we can harbor a lot of anger.

For being made to feel (by every tv, movie,and magazine) that we are not

normal or beautiful. I think we need to take a closer look at ourselves and

decide--do I like who I am? I sure like me! and I felt a lot better when I

finally realized that! Hope this isn't to preachy or whatever. Just wanted

to help.

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No fire throwers here, You have a right to your opinion and also to voice it.

Your right society treats heavy people horribly!!! Thats why Sue started this

list so we all had a place to go to get treated with respect.

Hugs,

Penny

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Hi Sue

Yes, I like it too! I think it is a good reminder to think of ourselves as

beautiful even if we aren't at our goal weight. And we are beautiful because

we're all unique and a precious resource on the earth. I needed to remind

myself of that today.

Bev in Selah

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I woudn't think about putting you down for expressing your opinion.

Hopefully we can all do that here and still be accepted even though our

opinion my differ. As I read your email, I too was reminded of all the times

in my young life I was called " fatty " and other equally mean things--not only

by other kids but by my family. It hurts no less now (I'm 49) than it did

when I was 6. I too strive to be and feel like I used to when I was slender.

When I was 13 I magically lost about 50 lbs--have no idea why but I did do

alot of dancing in the living room to the Beatles. Then when I got pregnant

the first time I gained about 50 lbs and then lost it all and was 125

lbs--after the second pregnancy I only got back to 135 and then the

third--well, it wasn't until I divorced my first husband that I lost weight

(it was an incredibly abusive marriage--I was lucky to have survived)--back

down to 128. Then I got married again when I was 33 and ever since then I've

continued to gain weight. I diet like I used to but I don't lose the weight

the same way. I've felt horrible about myself for so long. This diet is

like my last gasp--it has to work. But in the meantime, I know life is short

and I prefer to work on accepting myself the way I am and maybe even trying

to love myself. There are good things about me still--even though I'm

overweight and so I prefer to think of myself as beautiful (if I

can--sometimes I just can't) as much as possible and that means I have to

think of myself as big (because thats what I am) and beautiful. That's what

the statement means to me. I am also working on Dr Phil's book Life

Strategies to deal with the tremendous hurt that lies just under the surface.

So, now I cry and write instead of eating chocolate ice cream and reese's

peanut butter cups. Just another opinion .

Bev in Selah

180/176/150

170 by 10-31-99

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<< And sorry, again, and maybe some will hate my guts for saying it, but " big "

is NOT beautiful to me. I don't want to be " big " , that's what I'm fighting

and praying for with all the strength that I have. >>

I am sorry to but I really have to agree. Now, I am not saying to remove it

for me but I do want to voice my opinion so that does not feel alone

here!! I did not feel beautiful when I weighed over 200 pounds. I am not

saying that I wasn't, my dh thought that I was, but I did not feel like it.

I don't like being big. That is why I am doing this. I am now a size 12/14

and do not feel so big any more. I want to wear a size 10 and feel like I

used to when I was 130 pounds and thought that I was fat! It was horribly

painful to me to be big and it is painful for me now even though I am not so

big. I want to be the person that I feel on the inside. I was always thin

until I had kids and my thyroid quit. I feel 130 inside and that is who I

want to be not big and beautiful. I suppose that is something I need therapy

for!! LOL!! Teena

sorry if I have offended anyone, it was not my intention! I think you all

are just wonderful!

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Thanks I was considering changeing it but alot of ppl

seem to like it the way it is.

--- karinc karinc@...> wrote:

> Sue,

> For Me,

> Your logo, " Big and Beautiful but Losing " , seems to

> fit. The reality is we

> are big or we would not be here, beautiful relates

> to the inner peace you

> feel after the abstinence from carbos and weight

> loss comes. Please don't

> change the logo, it is appropriate!!!

> , Jax. Florida

> http://homepages.go.com/~ladybob/ladybob.html

>

>

>

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> Forget the rest We are the best. BIG AND BEAUTIFUL

> BUT LOSING!!!!!!

>

>

=====

:) Sue List Manager 310/260.5/180

Goal for Challenge 2 250

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Well, I've seen two say they like it, that's not a lot. Personally, I have

to admit I don't like it. I hate buying " large " or " women " size clothes, I

hate buying " Just My Size " pantyhose, and I really hate being told in " real

life " that I'm " big, but beautiful " - you have " and " and that's marginally

better, but I about choked when I first noticed it at the bottom of the

e-mail letters. Positive motivational statements are great, but I don't

need ANY reminders of how " big " I am... I know, I know, and I'm trying to

DO something about it. If I thought it was " beautiful " , I'd stay that way

and join the " fat acceptance " newsgroup. But sorry, I don't think it's

beautiful, or healthy, so I'm changing that.

When I was a senior in college I thought I was overweight - and I was, by

about 20 or maybe 30 lbs. I had a photo taken for my yearbook, and I want

to cry now just thinking about it. ... youth is wasted on the young, for

sure! A few years and more than a few pounds later I was at my mothers

house and she was showing the photos to one of my brother's friends, that I

kind of thought was cute, and we had a rather embarrassing moment of dead

silence when he pointed at my picture, while I was standing right there and

asked " who is that? " - and I could have sunk into the floor. Worst part was

the obvious admiration he had in his voice when he asked... Now I know I'm

never going to look like I did in 1986 again, but I see no reason not to set

a goal of getting down to about that weight range again.

And sorry, again, and maybe some will hate my guts for saying it, but " big "

is NOT beautiful to me. I don't want to be " big " , that's what I'm fighting

and praying for with all the strength that I have.

Again, sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings, and maybe it seems shallow and

like focusing on " appearances " or something, but be honest, the world treats

" big " people harshly, and the world is mean to " big " people, and I'm tired

of it, and tired of being alone. My " real goal " , to be honest?? It's not

to " get healthy " - I want, plain and simple, to get to a decent weight and

develop some kind of social life, and who knows?

Ok... I'm done, I'm done... asbestos suit on...

a.k.a. ~ Natty's mommy

lanat@...

http://www.javanet.com/~lanat/

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