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> Raena (who now has to spend the next half hour or so sewing ribbons

> on a new $65 pair of pointe shoes---then cringe while Elaine slams

> them in the door and sands the satin off the toe....ack!)

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Now that brings back memories, except that they weren't $65 when I was

buying them.

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> I'll give up custody of Mark first.

>

We could send him to live with Lou :) snicker snicker

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> Oh for crying out loud...where was this woman's sense of humor? >

She was truly offended. What I have found, Penny, is that there are

people who understand, and people who don't. Of the people who

don't, there are people who are willing to learn, and people who

aren't...and you aren't going to make that last bunch happy no matter

what you do. I'm not sure exactly which category this lady fit into,

but I do know that she felt her personal space was invaded...and that

it was my fault.

> Still not a big deal...Now if he was 15......>

Yeah...that was my thought, too...he's a kid fer cryin' out loud.

> Aw crap...yuck. :-( >

Turned out he was getting sick...missed therapy yesterday, and

probably will again today. Of course, you don't always see

that until AFTER the crisis; then you get that " aha! " moment...

> ......told me I " have to do something " .......

>

> Oh really, what would he suggest? >

Honestly, Penny, I think he believes that should not be living

at home. He goes back and forth on that...but that is Mark's nature;

he decides something, and then he keeps digging at you over it, even

when he knows you don't agree--can never just hush. It's one of his

least endearing traits, IMO.

isn't going anywhere...it isn't necessary at this point, would

absolutely terrify him, and would require giving up custody to the

state. Like THAT'S gonna happen. I'll give up custody of Mark first.

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> Oh for crying out loud...where was this woman's sense of humor? >

She was truly offended. What I have found, Penny, is that there are

people who understand, and people who don't. Of the people who

don't, there are people who are willing to learn, and people who

aren't...and you aren't going to make that last bunch happy no matter

what you do. I'm not sure exactly which category this lady fit into,

but I do know that she felt her personal space was invaded...and that

it was my fault.

> Still not a big deal...Now if he was 15......>

Yeah...that was my thought, too...he's a kid fer cryin' out loud.

> Aw crap...yuck. :-( >

Turned out he was getting sick...missed therapy yesterday, and

probably will again today. Of course, you don't always see

that until AFTER the crisis; then you get that " aha! " moment...

> ......told me I " have to do something " .......

>

> Oh really, what would he suggest? >

Honestly, Penny, I think he believes that should not be living

at home. He goes back and forth on that...but that is Mark's nature;

he decides something, and then he keeps digging at you over it, even

when he knows you don't agree--can never just hush. It's one of his

least endearing traits, IMO.

isn't going anywhere...it isn't necessary at this point, would

absolutely terrify him, and would require giving up custody to the

state. Like THAT'S gonna happen. I'll give up custody of Mark first.

Raena

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> Oh for crying out loud...where was this woman's sense of humor? >

She was truly offended. What I have found, Penny, is that there are

people who understand, and people who don't. Of the people who

don't, there are people who are willing to learn, and people who

aren't...and you aren't going to make that last bunch happy no matter

what you do. I'm not sure exactly which category this lady fit into,

but I do know that she felt her personal space was invaded...and that

it was my fault.

> Still not a big deal...Now if he was 15......>

Yeah...that was my thought, too...he's a kid fer cryin' out loud.

> Aw crap...yuck. :-( >

Turned out he was getting sick...missed therapy yesterday, and

probably will again today. Of course, you don't always see

that until AFTER the crisis; then you get that " aha! " moment...

> ......told me I " have to do something " .......

>

> Oh really, what would he suggest? >

Honestly, Penny, I think he believes that should not be living

at home. He goes back and forth on that...but that is Mark's nature;

he decides something, and then he keeps digging at you over it, even

when he knows you don't agree--can never just hush. It's one of his

least endearing traits, IMO.

isn't going anywhere...it isn't necessary at this point, would

absolutely terrify him, and would require giving up custody to the

state. Like THAT'S gonna happen. I'll give up custody of Mark first.

Raena

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> > Oh for crying out loud...where was this woman's sense of humor? >

>

> She was truly offended. What I have found, Penny, is that there are

> people who understand, and people who don't. Of the people who

> don't, there are people who are willing to learn, and people who

> aren't...and you aren't going to make that last bunch happy no

matter what you do. I'm not sure exactly which category this lady

fit into, but I do know that she felt her personal space was

invaded...and that it was my fault.

>

We had a similar incident with in a book store. I wasn't in the

store very long but loves books so it's usually an easy trip

with just him. He doesn't care if a book has pictures or not, the

bigger the better to him. (and the child is NOT hyperlexic so figure

that one out for me.) Anyway, this is a large yet intimate book

store. There are couches and chairs throughout the store and lots of

people sit and read for long periods of time. Well, a bald man was

sitting on a low couch and when walked past him, he reached out

and felt of his shiny dome. The man was furious. He didn't say

anything to me but if looks could kill I wouldn't be typing this now.

He made several indignant grunts and slammed the book down on a table

got up and left. I apologized and scolded but that wasn't

anywhere near good enough for him.

I think he was just very insecure about being bald. He wasn't about

to listen to any explanations. loves to have his hair really

really short because he loves to run his hands over it. It's a

sensory issue. I'm sure he saw this man's bald head and wondered if

it would feel like his.

My mother who rarely goes anywhere with me was absolutely mortified.

She turned 12 shades of red and wanted to leave without finishing her

purchases. But my mother has lots of personal issues and has a very

hard time coping with kids of any ability so I ignore her. ;)

Tina

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>>>Well, a bald man was sitting on a low couch and when walked past him,

he reached out and felt of his shiny dome.<<<<

OMG that is soooo funny!! (Sorry I am sure it wasn't for you) But people really

need to relax and have a sense of humor (its good for their health)!! My brother

is quite bald for 35 and has a great sense of humor about it.

BTW My sister works at a Wal-Mart and the stories she tells about how people

treat their children are amazing so I guess I shouldn't be surprised that they

don't have any patience for others' children

Warm Regards

& ASD 11/25/00 in Maine

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> > Oh for crying out loud...where was this woman's sense of humor? >

>

> She was truly offended. What I have found, Penny, is that there are

> people who understand, and people who don't. Of the people who

> don't, there are people who are willing to learn, and people who

> aren't...and you aren't going to make that last bunch happy no

matter what you do. I'm not sure exactly which category this lady

fit into, but I do know that she felt her personal space was

invaded...and that it was my fault.

>

We had a similar incident with in a book store. I wasn't in the

store very long but loves books so it's usually an easy trip

with just him. He doesn't care if a book has pictures or not, the

bigger the better to him. (and the child is NOT hyperlexic so figure

that one out for me.) Anyway, this is a large yet intimate book

store. There are couches and chairs throughout the store and lots of

people sit and read for long periods of time. Well, a bald man was

sitting on a low couch and when walked past him, he reached out

and felt of his shiny dome. The man was furious. He didn't say

anything to me but if looks could kill I wouldn't be typing this now.

He made several indignant grunts and slammed the book down on a table

got up and left. I apologized and scolded but that wasn't

anywhere near good enough for him.

I think he was just very insecure about being bald. He wasn't about

to listen to any explanations. loves to have his hair really

really short because he loves to run his hands over it. It's a

sensory issue. I'm sure he saw this man's bald head and wondered if

it would feel like his.

My mother who rarely goes anywhere with me was absolutely mortified.

She turned 12 shades of red and wanted to leave without finishing her

purchases. But my mother has lots of personal issues and has a very

hard time coping with kids of any ability so I ignore her. ;)

Tina

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Tina,

Alan's just a kid, for petesakes. And it sounds like baldy hasn't grown

up either. I'm sorry this happened, Tina.

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> >>>Well, a bald man was sitting on a low couch and when

walked past him, he reached out and felt of his shiny dome.<<<<

>

> OMG that is soooo funny!! (Sorry I am sure it wasn't for you)

Actually I was trying not to giggle. didn't mean any harm and

he was only about 5 when it happened. My mother was mortified but she

has no sense of humor.

I've had kids come up behind in grocery lines and other places and do

silly things. I've had more than one touch me. One little African

American girl was fascinated with my 9 yr. old and wanted to touch

her face. Her mother was so worried I'd be mad but I told her it was

fine and explained to Sami that she was curious about the difference

in her skin color. Sami leaned over and let the little girl touch her

face. She was such a cutie, we oohed and ahed over her for a minute

and her mom finally stopped blushing. We live in a 98% white

community. My kids did the same thing when they noticed a black

person for the first time.

Tina

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> >>>Well, a bald man was sitting on a low couch and when

walked past him, he reached out and felt of his shiny dome.<<<<

>

> OMG that is soooo funny!! (Sorry I am sure it wasn't for you)

Actually I was trying not to giggle. didn't mean any harm and

he was only about 5 when it happened. My mother was mortified but she

has no sense of humor.

I've had kids come up behind in grocery lines and other places and do

silly things. I've had more than one touch me. One little African

American girl was fascinated with my 9 yr. old and wanted to touch

her face. Her mother was so worried I'd be mad but I told her it was

fine and explained to Sami that she was curious about the difference

in her skin color. Sami leaned over and let the little girl touch her

face. She was such a cutie, we oohed and ahed over her for a minute

and her mom finally stopped blushing. We live in a 98% white

community. My kids did the same thing when they noticed a black

person for the first time.

Tina

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> Her mother was so worried I'd be mad but I told her it was

> fine and explained to Sami that she was curious about the

> difference in her skin color. Sami leaned over and let the little

> girl touch her face. She was such a cutie, we oohed and ahed over

> her for a minute and her mom finally stopped blushing. We live in a

> 98% white community. My kids did the same thing when they noticed a

> black person for the first time. >

LOL...this reminds me of when was tiny...she was absolutely

fascinated with " brown people " , as she called them. I guess with her

ish/Irish/Scandanavian coloring, dark skin was fairly exotic.

She was so envious of their skin color, and always chose African

American or Hispanic Barbies...I was constantly worried she would

embarrass some poor stranger by saying or doing something...

Of course, these days I'm thinking " if only that was the worst thing

that might happen while we're out " ....there's that perspective thing

again. ;-)

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> Her mother was so worried I'd be mad but I told her it was

> fine and explained to Sami that she was curious about the

> difference in her skin color. Sami leaned over and let the little

> girl touch her face. She was such a cutie, we oohed and ahed over

> her for a minute and her mom finally stopped blushing. We live in a

> 98% white community. My kids did the same thing when they noticed a

> black person for the first time. >

LOL...this reminds me of when was tiny...she was absolutely

fascinated with " brown people " , as she called them. I guess with her

ish/Irish/Scandanavian coloring, dark skin was fairly exotic.

She was so envious of their skin color, and always chose African

American or Hispanic Barbies...I was constantly worried she would

embarrass some poor stranger by saying or doing something...

Of course, these days I'm thinking " if only that was the worst thing

that might happen while we're out " ....there's that perspective thing

again. ;-)

Raena

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> Her mother was so worried I'd be mad but I told her it was

> fine and explained to Sami that she was curious about the

> difference in her skin color. Sami leaned over and let the little

> girl touch her face. She was such a cutie, we oohed and ahed over

> her for a minute and her mom finally stopped blushing. We live in a

> 98% white community. My kids did the same thing when they noticed a

> black person for the first time. >

LOL...this reminds me of when was tiny...she was absolutely

fascinated with " brown people " , as she called them. I guess with her

ish/Irish/Scandanavian coloring, dark skin was fairly exotic.

She was so envious of their skin color, and always chose African

American or Hispanic Barbies...I was constantly worried she would

embarrass some poor stranger by saying or doing something...

Of course, these days I'm thinking " if only that was the worst thing

that might happen while we're out " ....there's that perspective thing

again. ;-)

Raena

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>>>>>>>

He didn't say

anything to me but if looks could kill I wouldn't be typing this now.

He made several indignant grunts and slammed the book down on a table

got up and left.

<<<<<<<

Those are the people where I just say " whatever " ...geesh...

>>>>>>>

I think he was just very insecure about being bald.

<<<<<<<

Then maybe a hat or toupe is in order????

It's so hard to teach our children to be tolerant when adults are such

ignoramus' (ignorami)?

Penny

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>>>>>>>

He didn't say

anything to me but if looks could kill I wouldn't be typing this now.

He made several indignant grunts and slammed the book down on a table

got up and left.

<<<<<<<

Those are the people where I just say " whatever " ...geesh...

>>>>>>>

I think he was just very insecure about being bald.

<<<<<<<

Then maybe a hat or toupe is in order????

It's so hard to teach our children to be tolerant when adults are such

ignoramus' (ignorami)?

Penny

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> No doubt. I'm sure Mark knows that too!!! >

LOL...you know, I bet he does...too much mama bear in me...

Raena (who now has to spend the next half hour or so sewing ribbons

on a new $65 pair of pointe shoes---then cringe while Elaine slams

them in the door and sands the satin off the toe....ack!)

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Well, she has to break them in somehow lol.

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> LOL...this reminds me of when was tiny...she was absolutely

> fascinated with " brown people " , as she called them.

This reminds me of when Enrique was about five. We were standing in line at

the Bronx Zoo, and Enrique, after looking thoughtfully at the black couple

ahead of us, turned to me and said, " Mama, have you ever noticed that some

people are a different color? "

My sister in law is black and her daughers are, well, whatever...so it

wasn't as if he had never seen anyone with a different skin color. I guess

it just suddenly struck him as interesting.

Salli

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Hi Constance:

I had IBS for years before surgery and it was never an issue. In fact my

IBS has yet to reappear since surgery and I'm leaning more toward

constipation, which I'm hoping will lessen when I can add more roughage to

my diet. I had been in treatment for depression for a year before surgery

and it also was not an issue. The psych evaluation was geared towards

whether I was able and willing to comply with the new diet, supplements and

follow-up appointments. sorry I can't comment on heartburn, I was lucky

enough to miss that bullet.

Steele

Open RNY 8/7/03

316/271/150

Hi Everyone!

Today has not been a good day. I have tried to be " happy " today, but it

s just NOT happening! I could be PMS'ing, I dunno.

I feel fat. Very fat. My BMI is 45. I weigh 271. I saw a gyn

yesterday and he told me I may have irritable bowel syndrome with my chronic

pelvic pain. If I do have IBS, what does that do to the surgery? I won't

be able to have it, will I? Should I just not tell my PCP and the surgeon?

And, I have heartburn. Pretty much every nite. Does that mean that the

surgeon will order an upper GI for me? If he might, I just won't tell him

or my PCP about it. And, from what the psych. analysis is (from what some

of you have posted) I really don't think that I will pass it. Has anyone

on here been diagnosed with PTSD w/ panic attacks & flashbacks? Depression?

Did you pass the psych. exam?? Can I use the shrink that I see now for my

psych. exam? I am not even sure she will " ok " me!

I want this surgery. I have NEVER in my life " wanted " surgery! I am

very much afraid of dr.s and hospitals and tests, so for me to want this, I

really want it. I am afraid of getting my hopes up and have something

stupid hold me back from having it. Perhaps even my fear.

I am sorry - I am not angry at any of you. Please believe me! Everyone

has been so nice to me, putting up with all of my questions. I am just

really depressed. (I am on meds and I have been taking them.) Can anyone

help me? Please?

Take care,

cheryl

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Hi Constance:

I had IBS for years before surgery and it was never an issue. In fact my

IBS has yet to reappear since surgery and I'm leaning more toward

constipation, which I'm hoping will lessen when I can add more roughage to

my diet. I had been in treatment for depression for a year before surgery

and it also was not an issue. The psych evaluation was geared towards

whether I was able and willing to comply with the new diet, supplements and

follow-up appointments. sorry I can't comment on heartburn, I was lucky

enough to miss that bullet.

Steele

Open RNY 8/7/03

316/271/150

Hi Everyone!

Today has not been a good day. I have tried to be " happy " today, but it

s just NOT happening! I could be PMS'ing, I dunno.

I feel fat. Very fat. My BMI is 45. I weigh 271. I saw a gyn

yesterday and he told me I may have irritable bowel syndrome with my chronic

pelvic pain. If I do have IBS, what does that do to the surgery? I won't

be able to have it, will I? Should I just not tell my PCP and the surgeon?

And, I have heartburn. Pretty much every nite. Does that mean that the

surgeon will order an upper GI for me? If he might, I just won't tell him

or my PCP about it. And, from what the psych. analysis is (from what some

of you have posted) I really don't think that I will pass it. Has anyone

on here been diagnosed with PTSD w/ panic attacks & flashbacks? Depression?

Did you pass the psych. exam?? Can I use the shrink that I see now for my

psych. exam? I am not even sure she will " ok " me!

I want this surgery. I have NEVER in my life " wanted " surgery! I am

very much afraid of dr.s and hospitals and tests, so for me to want this, I

really want it. I am afraid of getting my hopes up and have something

stupid hold me back from having it. Perhaps even my fear.

I am sorry - I am not angry at any of you. Please believe me! Everyone

has been so nice to me, putting up with all of my questions. I am just

really depressed. (I am on meds and I have been taking them.) Can anyone

help me? Please?

Take care,

cheryl

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Hi Constance:

I had IBS for years before surgery and it was never an issue. In fact my

IBS has yet to reappear since surgery and I'm leaning more toward

constipation, which I'm hoping will lessen when I can add more roughage to

my diet. I had been in treatment for depression for a year before surgery

and it also was not an issue. The psych evaluation was geared towards

whether I was able and willing to comply with the new diet, supplements and

follow-up appointments. sorry I can't comment on heartburn, I was lucky

enough to miss that bullet.

Steele

Open RNY 8/7/03

316/271/150

Hi Everyone!

Today has not been a good day. I have tried to be " happy " today, but it

s just NOT happening! I could be PMS'ing, I dunno.

I feel fat. Very fat. My BMI is 45. I weigh 271. I saw a gyn

yesterday and he told me I may have irritable bowel syndrome with my chronic

pelvic pain. If I do have IBS, what does that do to the surgery? I won't

be able to have it, will I? Should I just not tell my PCP and the surgeon?

And, I have heartburn. Pretty much every nite. Does that mean that the

surgeon will order an upper GI for me? If he might, I just won't tell him

or my PCP about it. And, from what the psych. analysis is (from what some

of you have posted) I really don't think that I will pass it. Has anyone

on here been diagnosed with PTSD w/ panic attacks & flashbacks? Depression?

Did you pass the psych. exam?? Can I use the shrink that I see now for my

psych. exam? I am not even sure she will " ok " me!

I want this surgery. I have NEVER in my life " wanted " surgery! I am

very much afraid of dr.s and hospitals and tests, so for me to want this, I

really want it. I am afraid of getting my hopes up and have something

stupid hold me back from having it. Perhaps even my fear.

I am sorry - I am not angry at any of you. Please believe me! Everyone

has been so nice to me, putting up with all of my questions. I am just

really depressed. (I am on meds and I have been taking them.) Can anyone

help me? Please?

Take care,

cheryl

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Howdy Cheryl,

I think everyone has bad days, but it is worse for someone who is

depressed. I have clical depression, which is a term they put on

those if us who are chemically depressed due to????, mine they chalk

up to heredity. Any way it goes, I will be on medication for the

rest of my life. This isn't such a bad prospect knowing what life is

like without the drugs. Though it is a guessing game for the doctors

to find the right drug or combination of drugs that helps you, once

they have, take them RELIGIOUSLY, and life will be soooo much better.

As far as pre op tests, my surgeon requires everyone to have an upper

GI. Probably to see if there is anything that might obstruct or

hamper surgery. It isn't bad, just don't breathe and drink...hold

you nose helps.

The phyc test. Well I saw one doctor that wanted an MMPI, which is

35 different questions asked you 10 different ways. How this tells

something, I have no clue, but it is used for phyciatric diagnosis.

The surgeon I have now wants you to see a social worker. My guess is

to see if you really know what you are getting yourself into, and can

you change your life to fit the procedure, since your new pouch won't

fit your old life. A lot of the deaths related to this surgery are

those people who didn't listen, thought the rules didn't pertain to

them, thought that " just this small piece can't hurt " , or the one I

love " I thought if I left the dorito in my mouth long enough to mush,

it could be part of my liquid diet. " It is also thought that this

surgery helps with some depressions, in the long run, though the

first year or 18 months it could increase it.

Hope this helped...sorry for how long it is.

boogie

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