Fish

February 19, 2006

Thank you Carol. As a newbie, I want very much to distinguish

between " Pure " SCD and the various interpretations that exist in the

autism community. That's why I'm asking so many questions here, and

not on all those other lists. As I read and learn, I realize that the

quote-unquote " SCD diet " as practiced by many of the parents I know

isn't a true SCD diet. I want to do it right, for benefit of my son.

Therefore, I appreciate your answering all my piddly little newbie

questions (though I've read the SCD and pecanbread sites to

exhaustion, my son is a tough case and I can't find exact answers

that fit him). I also appreciate your setting us all straight on

what's true SCD as Elaine intended it, and what's not. We need

someone to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Suzanne

> >

> > Dear Carol,

> >

> > I understand that Dr. Mercola did not develop SCD, but

interestingly

> enough much of

> what he says lines up with SCD. His book is not geared for people

with

> intestinal issues;

> however, what he recommends for the " average " person is not far off

> from what Elaine

> suggests we do (such as removing grains, corn, soy, etc. from the

diet).

> >

> > My point in providing the information was to help someone out

with a

> mercury / fish

> question. Elaine does not address this in SCD, so are we not to

> investigate answers to any

> questions that Elaine didn't personally address?

> >

> > I saw no harm in providing this information to a person who is

trying

> to find answers. It

> doesn't conflict with SCD in any way and may, in fact, end up

helping

> this woman's child.

> >

>

> , you did no harm. It's time for my annual rant when I perceive

> that Pecanbread could use a shakeup.

> Its really hard to dance at two weddings at once.!

>

> Adam is a man. Adam has a beard. Therefore can we conclude all men

have

> beards?

>

> Macs serves salads with dressing on the side.

> Therefore should we conclude Macs has similarities to SCD?

>

> Elaine asked me in 2002 not to contact Dr. Mercola about the

> similarities between his

> protocols and SCD. She was emphatic! ( Mercola has a proclivity to

> borrow from others without credit and he never heard of SCD at the

> time) He also sells a slew of stuff.

>

> The alternative medicine community is filled with therapies which

> appear as valuable adjuncts to SCD but often are not. As new

scientific

> findings came along Elaine was interested and open to them if they

were

> proven just as we are constantly asked for more scientific prooof

of

> the effacy of SCD. Elaine never stopped researching! And we have

all

> heard the cautions about fish.

>

> It may seem to outsiders that SCD is either a cult or a

dictatorship,

> but Elaine was determined to keep her diet intact. I am determined

to

> protect her legacy.

>

> The FAQs of the Pecanbread list ask us not to discuss other diets

and

> practices. The official moderators are very lenient about this

because

> they know the stresses and desperation autism families suffer.

>

> I am not an official moderator and express my own POV when it

comes to

> things

> Elaine opposed ; some of Dr. Mercola's advice qualifies.

>

> I am not harsh, not nasty... maybe just not so tactful ... an SCD

> purist who has had the good fortune to meet or correspond with

people

> whose lives have been saved by SCD.

>

> The SCD diet was originated by Dr. S.V. Haas and further rearched

and

> illuminated by

> Elaine. She was clear on her opinions and equally clear if she was

> uncertain about

> something.

>

> Every now and then I get so upset with extraneous suggestions that

are

> brought

> to SCD support lists IN GOOD FAITH that I need to take a leave of

> absence before I'm told I don't belong.

> (It does not trouble me to become unpopular if a person's health

can be

> saved as a result.) This list is supposed to be about Mutual

Support,

> not " Ask Jeeves. "

>

> I urge people to learn SCD, give it a fair trial to the best of

their

> ability..as it is written

> without complicating it. Read the book and study the two web sites

> before jumping in.

> Learn how to look for answers that are in the book and on the SCD

> Internet sites.. Correspond with companies to determine if store

bought

> food is legal instead of expecting the moderators to do it all.

These

> women are unpaid, give of their time freely and have families and

other

> responsibilities just like members and it is a miracle that they

can

> keep their cool when I do not..

>

> I realize that autism is complex, multi faceted with a multitude of

> suspected causes

> and proposed treatments and parents pursue many paths in search

of a

> cure.

>

> Being an adult on the diet is different. An adult can report on how

it

> feels to be sick and what makes things feel better. I offer my

> experience of six years on the adult and original version of the

diet.

> The autism version co-exists with it side by side. The integrity

of

> both versions has to be maintained.

>

> SCD is not about the beliefs of Donna Gates, Jordan Rubin, Sally

> Fallon, Joe Mercola or the other diets that appear to have

similarities

> to SCD. Everyone eats food and so food on one diet is bound to

appear

> on another but not ALL foods.It is about the use of specific

> carbohydrates and the elimination of starch, sugar and gluten to

> promote healing the gut and improving brain function.

>

> For everything else there is Mastercard :-)

>

> Carol F.

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

February 19, 2006

Thank you Carol. As a newbie, I want very much to distinguish

between " Pure " SCD and the various interpretations that exist in the

autism community. That's why I'm asking so many questions here, and

not on all those other lists. As I read and learn, I realize that the

quote-unquote " SCD diet " as practiced by many of the parents I know

isn't a true SCD diet. I want to do it right, for benefit of my son.

Therefore, I appreciate your answering all my piddly little newbie

questions (though I've read the SCD and pecanbread sites to

exhaustion, my son is a tough case and I can't find exact answers

that fit him). I also appreciate your setting us all straight on

what's true SCD as Elaine intended it, and what's not. We need

someone to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Suzanne

> >

> > Dear Carol,

> >

> > I understand that Dr. Mercola did not develop SCD, but

interestingly

> enough much of

> what he says lines up with SCD. His book is not geared for people

with

> intestinal issues;

> however, what he recommends for the " average " person is not far off

> from what Elaine

> suggests we do (such as removing grains, corn, soy, etc. from the

diet).

> >

> > My point in providing the information was to help someone out

with a

> mercury / fish

> question. Elaine does not address this in SCD, so are we not to

> investigate answers to any

> questions that Elaine didn't personally address?

> >

> > I saw no harm in providing this information to a person who is

trying

> to find answers. It

> doesn't conflict with SCD in any way and may, in fact, end up

helping

> this woman's child.

> >

>

> , you did no harm. It's time for my annual rant when I perceive

> that Pecanbread could use a shakeup.

> Its really hard to dance at two weddings at once.!

>

> Adam is a man. Adam has a beard. Therefore can we conclude all men

have

> beards?

>

> Macs serves salads with dressing on the side.

> Therefore should we conclude Macs has similarities to SCD?

>

> Elaine asked me in 2002 not to contact Dr. Mercola about the

> similarities between his

> protocols and SCD. She was emphatic! ( Mercola has a proclivity to

> borrow from others without credit and he never heard of SCD at the

> time) He also sells a slew of stuff.

>

> The alternative medicine community is filled with therapies which

> appear as valuable adjuncts to SCD but often are not. As new

scientific

> findings came along Elaine was interested and open to them if they

were

> proven just as we are constantly asked for more scientific prooof

of

> the effacy of SCD. Elaine never stopped researching! And we have

all

> heard the cautions about fish.

>

> It may seem to outsiders that SCD is either a cult or a

dictatorship,

> but Elaine was determined to keep her diet intact. I am determined

to

> protect her legacy.

>

> The FAQs of the Pecanbread list ask us not to discuss other diets

and

> practices. The official moderators are very lenient about this

because

> they know the stresses and desperation autism families suffer.

>

> I am not an official moderator and express my own POV when it

comes to

> things

> Elaine opposed ; some of Dr. Mercola's advice qualifies.

>

> I am not harsh, not nasty... maybe just not so tactful ... an SCD

> purist who has had the good fortune to meet or correspond with

people

> whose lives have been saved by SCD.

>

> The SCD diet was originated by Dr. S.V. Haas and further rearched

and

> illuminated by

> Elaine. She was clear on her opinions and equally clear if she was

> uncertain about

> something.

>

> Every now and then I get so upset with extraneous suggestions that

are

> brought

> to SCD support lists IN GOOD FAITH that I need to take a leave of

> absence before I'm told I don't belong.

> (It does not trouble me to become unpopular if a person's health

can be

> saved as a result.) This list is supposed to be about Mutual

Support,

> not " Ask Jeeves. "

>

> I urge people to learn SCD, give it a fair trial to the best of

their

> ability..as it is written

> without complicating it. Read the book and study the two web sites

> before jumping in.

> Learn how to look for answers that are in the book and on the SCD

> Internet sites.. Correspond with companies to determine if store

bought

> food is legal instead of expecting the moderators to do it all.

These

> women are unpaid, give of their time freely and have families and

other

> responsibilities just like members and it is a miracle that they

can

> keep their cool when I do not..

>

> I realize that autism is complex, multi faceted with a multitude of

> suspected causes

> and proposed treatments and parents pursue many paths in search

of a

> cure.

>

> Being an adult on the diet is different. An adult can report on how

it

> feels to be sick and what makes things feel better. I offer my

> experience of six years on the adult and original version of the

diet.

> The autism version co-exists with it side by side. The integrity

of

> both versions has to be maintained.

>

> SCD is not about the beliefs of Donna Gates, Jordan Rubin, Sally

> Fallon, Joe Mercola or the other diets that appear to have

similarities

> to SCD. Everyone eats food and so food on one diet is bound to

appear

> on another but not ALL foods.It is about the use of specific

> carbohydrates and the elimination of starch, sugar and gluten to

> promote healing the gut and improving brain function.

>

> For everything else there is Mastercard :-)

>

> Carol F.

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

February 19, 2006

>

> Thank you Carol. As a newbie, I want very much to distinguish

> between " Pure " SCD and the various interpretations that exist in the

> autism community. That's why I'm asking so many questions here, and

> not on all those other lists. As I read and learn, I realize that the

> quote-unquote " SCD diet " as practiced by many of the parents I know

> isn't a true SCD diet.

We have had ongoing issues with groups that combine diets and still call them

SCD plus

whatever else they are doing. Some GFCF advocates actually asked why we meanies

don't

allow a few illegal treats once in a while. The bad gut bugs loved this idea

biut Elaine did

not!.

I urged some of the moderators to have the courtesy to direct beginners to

Pecanbread so

they could get " the real deal " and being principled people they kindly complied

which was

duly appreciated.

Some parents who " combined' ended up with pretty sick kids and came back to

roost here

SCD is a trademarked diet and cannot be tampered with and still be called SCD.

As one

poster here noted we can all do as we please but I am pointing out that it may

not be SCD

and in such a case should not be labelled as such.

Six years in daily harness with SCD has taught me the importance of complying as

much as

is possible.

Sorry if I have come on so much and so strong today. I think I'll give it a rest

for a few days

so you can enjoy life without my " third grade teacher " attitude.

Carol F.

February 19, 2006

>

> Thank you Carol. As a newbie, I want very much to distinguish

> between " Pure " SCD and the various interpretations that exist in the

> autism community. That's why I'm asking so many questions here, and

> not on all those other lists. As I read and learn, I realize that the

> quote-unquote " SCD diet " as practiced by many of the parents I know

> isn't a true SCD diet.

We have had ongoing issues with groups that combine diets and still call them

SCD plus

whatever else they are doing. Some GFCF advocates actually asked why we meanies

don't

allow a few illegal treats once in a while. The bad gut bugs loved this idea

biut Elaine did

not!.

I urged some of the moderators to have the courtesy to direct beginners to

Pecanbread so

they could get " the real deal " and being principled people they kindly complied

which was

duly appreciated.

Some parents who " combined' ended up with pretty sick kids and came back to

roost here

SCD is a trademarked diet and cannot be tampered with and still be called SCD.

As one

poster here noted we can all do as we please but I am pointing out that it may

not be SCD

and in such a case should not be labelled as such.

Six years in daily harness with SCD has taught me the importance of complying as

much as

is possible.

Sorry if I have come on so much and so strong today. I think I'll give it a rest

for a few days

so you can enjoy life without my " third grade teacher " attitude.

Carol F.

February 19, 2006

>

> Thank you Carol. As a newbie, I want very much to distinguish

> between " Pure " SCD and the various interpretations that exist in the

> autism community. That's why I'm asking so many questions here, and

> not on all those other lists. As I read and learn, I realize that the

> quote-unquote " SCD diet " as practiced by many of the parents I know

> isn't a true SCD diet.

We have had ongoing issues with groups that combine diets and still call them

SCD plus

whatever else they are doing. Some GFCF advocates actually asked why we meanies

don't

allow a few illegal treats once in a while. The bad gut bugs loved this idea

biut Elaine did

not!.

I urged some of the moderators to have the courtesy to direct beginners to

Pecanbread so

they could get " the real deal " and being principled people they kindly complied

which was

duly appreciated.

Some parents who " combined' ended up with pretty sick kids and came back to

roost here

SCD is a trademarked diet and cannot be tampered with and still be called SCD.

As one

poster here noted we can all do as we please but I am pointing out that it may

not be SCD

and in such a case should not be labelled as such.

Six years in daily harness with SCD has taught me the importance of complying as

much as

is possible.

Sorry if I have come on so much and so strong today. I think I'll give it a rest

for a few days

so you can enjoy life without my " third grade teacher " attitude.

Carol F.

February 19, 2006

Suzanne,

You're right to ask so many questions... and this is the right group.

Many ASD parents don't do a " pure " SCD (some don't do casein, goat yougurt,

Sweet& Low; Rotation, fish/mercury concerns, food allergies,etc.).

What's nice about Pecanbread is that they've taken much of this into

consideration and modified the " pure " SCD for us.

For example the staging is helpful.

The moderators and participants are very helpful and dedcated.

Agape,

Suzanne szmidford@...> wrote:

Thank you Carol. As a newbie, I want very much to distinguish

between " Pure " SCD and the various interpretations that exist in the

autism community. That's why I'm asking so many questions here, and

not on all those other lists. As I read and learn, I realize that the

quote-unquote " SCD diet " as practiced by many of the parents I know

isn't a true SCD diet. I want to do it right, for benefit of my son.

Therefore, I appreciate your answering all my piddly little newbie

questions (though I've read the SCD and pecanbread sites to

exhaustion, my son is a tough case and I can't find exact answers

that fit him). I also appreciate your setting us all straight on

what's true SCD as Elaine intended it, and what's not. We need

someone to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Suzanne

> >

> > Dear Carol,

> >

> > I understand that Dr. Mercola did not develop SCD, but

interestingly

> enough much of

> what he says lines up with SCD. His book is not geared for people

with

> intestinal issues;

> however, what he recommends for the " average " person is not far off

> from what Elaine

> suggests we do (such as removing grains, corn, soy, etc. from the

diet).

> >

> > My point in providing the information was to help someone out

with a

> mercury / fish

> question. Elaine does not address this in SCD, so are we not to

> investigate answers to any

> questions that Elaine didn't personally address?

> >

> > I saw no harm in providing this information to a person who is

trying

> to find answers. It

> doesn't conflict with SCD in any way and may, in fact, end up

helping

> this woman's child.

> >

>

> , you did no harm. It's time for my annual rant when I perceive

> that Pecanbread could use a shakeup.

> Its really hard to dance at two weddings at once.!

>

> Adam is a man. Adam has a beard. Therefore can we conclude all men

have

> beards?

>

> Macs serves salads with dressing on the side.

> Therefore should we conclude Macs has similarities to SCD?

>

> Elaine asked me in 2002 not to contact Dr. Mercola about the

> similarities between his

> protocols and SCD. She was emphatic! ( Mercola has a proclivity to

> borrow from others without credit and he never heard of SCD at the

> time) He also sells a slew of stuff.

>

> The alternative medicine community is filled with therapies which

> appear as valuable adjuncts to SCD but often are not. As new

scientific

> findings came along Elaine was interested and open to them if they

were

> proven just as we are constantly asked for more scientific prooof

of

> the effacy of SCD. Elaine never stopped researching! And we have

all

> heard the cautions about fish.

>

> It may seem to outsiders that SCD is either a cult or a

dictatorship,

> but Elaine was determined to keep her diet intact. I am determined

to

> protect her legacy.

>

> The FAQs of the Pecanbread list ask us not to discuss other diets

and

> practices. The official moderators are very lenient about this

because

> they know the stresses and desperation autism families suffer.

>

> I am not an official moderator and express my own POV when it

comes to

> things

> Elaine opposed ; some of Dr. Mercola's advice qualifies.

>

> I am not harsh, not nasty... maybe just not so tactful ... an SCD

> purist who has had the good fortune to meet or correspond with

people

> whose lives have been saved by SCD.

>

> The SCD diet was originated by Dr. S.V. Haas and further rearched

and

> illuminated by

> Elaine. She was clear on her opinions and equally clear if she was

> uncertain about

> something.

>

> Every now and then I get so upset with extraneous suggestions that

are

> brought

> to SCD support lists IN GOOD FAITH that I need to take a leave of

> absence before I'm told I don't belong.

> (It does not trouble me to become unpopular if a person's health

can be

> saved as a result.) This list is supposed to be about Mutual

Support,

> not " Ask Jeeves. "

>

> I urge people to learn SCD, give it a fair trial to the best of

their

> ability..as it is written

> without complicating it. Read the book and study the two web sites

> before jumping in.

> Learn how to look for answers that are in the book and on the SCD

> Internet sites.. Correspond with companies to determine if store

bought

> food is legal instead of expecting the moderators to do it all.

These

> women are unpaid, give of their time freely and have families and

other

> responsibilities just like members and it is a miracle that they

can

> keep their cool when I do not..

>

> I realize that autism is complex, multi faceted with a multitude of

> suspected causes

> and proposed treatments and parents pursue many paths in search

of a

> cure.

>

> Being an adult on the diet is different. An adult can report on how

it

> feels to be sick and what makes things feel better. I offer my

> experience of six years on the adult and original version of the

diet.

> The autism version co-exists with it side by side. The integrity

of

> both versions has to be maintained.

>

> SCD is not about the beliefs of Donna Gates, Jordan Rubin, Sally

> Fallon, Joe Mercola or the other diets that appear to have

similarities

> to SCD. Everyone eats food and so food on one diet is bound to

appear

> on another but not ALL foods.It is about the use of specific

> carbohydrates and the elimination of starch, sugar and gluten to

> promote healing the gut and improving brain function.

>

> For everything else there is Mastercard :-)

>

> Carol F.

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

February 19, 2006

Suzanne,

You're right to ask so many questions... and this is the right group.

Many ASD parents don't do a " pure " SCD (some don't do casein, goat yougurt,

Sweet& Low; Rotation, fish/mercury concerns, food allergies,etc.).

What's nice about Pecanbread is that they've taken much of this into

consideration and modified the " pure " SCD for us.

For example the staging is helpful.

The moderators and participants are very helpful and dedcated.

Agape,

Suzanne szmidford@...> wrote:

Thank you Carol. As a newbie, I want very much to distinguish

between " Pure " SCD and the various interpretations that exist in the

autism community. That's why I'm asking so many questions here, and

not on all those other lists. As I read and learn, I realize that the

quote-unquote " SCD diet " as practiced by many of the parents I know

isn't a true SCD diet. I want to do it right, for benefit of my son.

Therefore, I appreciate your answering all my piddly little newbie

questions (though I've read the SCD and pecanbread sites to

exhaustion, my son is a tough case and I can't find exact answers

that fit him). I also appreciate your setting us all straight on

what's true SCD as Elaine intended it, and what's not. We need

someone to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Suzanne

> >

> > Dear Carol,

> >

> > I understand that Dr. Mercola did not develop SCD, but

interestingly

> enough much of

> what he says lines up with SCD. His book is not geared for people

with

> intestinal issues;

> however, what he recommends for the " average " person is not far off

> from what Elaine

> suggests we do (such as removing grains, corn, soy, etc. from the

diet).

> >

> > My point in providing the information was to help someone out

with a

> mercury / fish

> question. Elaine does not address this in SCD, so are we not to

> investigate answers to any

> questions that Elaine didn't personally address?

> >

> > I saw no harm in providing this information to a person who is

trying

> to find answers. It

> doesn't conflict with SCD in any way and may, in fact, end up

helping

> this woman's child.

> >

>

> , you did no harm. It's time for my annual rant when I perceive

> that Pecanbread could use a shakeup.

> Its really hard to dance at two weddings at once.!

>

> Adam is a man. Adam has a beard. Therefore can we conclude all men

have

> beards?

>

> Macs serves salads with dressing on the side.

> Therefore should we conclude Macs has similarities to SCD?

>

> Elaine asked me in 2002 not to contact Dr. Mercola about the

> similarities between his

> protocols and SCD. She was emphatic! ( Mercola has a proclivity to

> borrow from others without credit and he never heard of SCD at the

> time) He also sells a slew of stuff.

>

> The alternative medicine community is filled with therapies which

> appear as valuable adjuncts to SCD but often are not. As new

scientific

> findings came along Elaine was interested and open to them if they

were

> proven just as we are constantly asked for more scientific prooof

of

> the effacy of SCD. Elaine never stopped researching! And we have

all

> heard the cautions about fish.

>

> It may seem to outsiders that SCD is either a cult or a

dictatorship,

> but Elaine was determined to keep her diet intact. I am determined

to

> protect her legacy.

>

> The FAQs of the Pecanbread list ask us not to discuss other diets

and

> practices. The official moderators are very lenient about this

because

> they know the stresses and desperation autism families suffer.

>

> I am not an official moderator and express my own POV when it

comes to

> things

> Elaine opposed ; some of Dr. Mercola's advice qualifies.

>

> I am not harsh, not nasty... maybe just not so tactful ... an SCD

> purist who has had the good fortune to meet or correspond with

people

> whose lives have been saved by SCD.

>

> The SCD diet was originated by Dr. S.V. Haas and further rearched

and

> illuminated by

> Elaine. She was clear on her opinions and equally clear if she was

> uncertain about

> something.

>

> Every now and then I get so upset with extraneous suggestions that

are

> brought

> to SCD support lists IN GOOD FAITH that I need to take a leave of

> absence before I'm told I don't belong.

> (It does not trouble me to become unpopular if a person's health

can be

> saved as a result.) This list is supposed to be about Mutual

Support,

> not " Ask Jeeves. "

>

> I urge people to learn SCD, give it a fair trial to the best of

their

> ability..as it is written

> without complicating it. Read the book and study the two web sites

> before jumping in.

> Learn how to look for answers that are in the book and on the SCD

> Internet sites.. Correspond with companies to determine if store

bought

> food is legal instead of expecting the moderators to do it all.

These

> women are unpaid, give of their time freely and have families and

other

> responsibilities just like members and it is a miracle that they

can

> keep their cool when I do not..

>

> I realize that autism is complex, multi faceted with a multitude of

> suspected causes

> and proposed treatments and parents pursue many paths in search

of a

> cure.

>

> Being an adult on the diet is different. An adult can report on how

it

> feels to be sick and what makes things feel better. I offer my

> experience of six years on the adult and original version of the

diet.

> The autism version co-exists with it side by side. The integrity

of

> both versions has to be maintained.

>

> SCD is not about the beliefs of Donna Gates, Jordan Rubin, Sally

> Fallon, Joe Mercola or the other diets that appear to have

similarities

> to SCD. Everyone eats food and so food on one diet is bound to

appear

> on another but not ALL foods.It is about the use of specific

> carbohydrates and the elimination of starch, sugar and gluten to

> promote healing the gut and improving brain function.

>

> For everything else there is Mastercard :-)

>

> Carol F.

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

February 19, 2006

Suzanne,

You're right to ask so many questions... and this is the right group.

Many ASD parents don't do a " pure " SCD (some don't do casein, goat yougurt,

Sweet& Low; Rotation, fish/mercury concerns, food allergies,etc.).

What's nice about Pecanbread is that they've taken much of this into

consideration and modified the " pure " SCD for us.

For example the staging is helpful.

The moderators and participants are very helpful and dedcated.

Agape,

Suzanne szmidford@...> wrote:

Thank you Carol. As a newbie, I want very much to distinguish

between " Pure " SCD and the various interpretations that exist in the

autism community. That's why I'm asking so many questions here, and

not on all those other lists. As I read and learn, I realize that the

quote-unquote " SCD diet " as practiced by many of the parents I know

isn't a true SCD diet. I want to do it right, for benefit of my son.

Therefore, I appreciate your answering all my piddly little newbie

questions (though I've read the SCD and pecanbread sites to

exhaustion, my son is a tough case and I can't find exact answers

that fit him). I also appreciate your setting us all straight on

what's true SCD as Elaine intended it, and what's not. We need

someone to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Suzanne

> >

> > Dear Carol,

> >

> > I understand that Dr. Mercola did not develop SCD, but

interestingly

> enough much of

> what he says lines up with SCD. His book is not geared for people

with

> intestinal issues;

> however, what he recommends for the " average " person is not far off

> from what Elaine

> suggests we do (such as removing grains, corn, soy, etc. from the

diet).

> >

> > My point in providing the information was to help someone out

with a

> mercury / fish

> question. Elaine does not address this in SCD, so are we not to

> investigate answers to any

> questions that Elaine didn't personally address?

> >

> > I saw no harm in providing this information to a person who is

trying

> to find answers. It

> doesn't conflict with SCD in any way and may, in fact, end up

helping

> this woman's child.

> >

>

> , you did no harm. It's time for my annual rant when I perceive

> that Pecanbread could use a shakeup.

> Its really hard to dance at two weddings at once.!

>

> Adam is a man. Adam has a beard. Therefore can we conclude all men

have

> beards?

>

> Macs serves salads with dressing on the side.

> Therefore should we conclude Macs has similarities to SCD?

>

> Elaine asked me in 2002 not to contact Dr. Mercola about the

> similarities between his

> protocols and SCD. She was emphatic! ( Mercola has a proclivity to

> borrow from others without credit and he never heard of SCD at the

> time) He also sells a slew of stuff.

>

> The alternative medicine community is filled with therapies which

> appear as valuable adjuncts to SCD but often are not. As new

scientific

> findings came along Elaine was interested and open to them if they

were

> proven just as we are constantly asked for more scientific prooof

of

> the effacy of SCD. Elaine never stopped researching! And we have

all

> heard the cautions about fish.

>

> It may seem to outsiders that SCD is either a cult or a

dictatorship,

> but Elaine was determined to keep her diet intact. I am determined

to

> protect her legacy.

>

> The FAQs of the Pecanbread list ask us not to discuss other diets

and

> practices. The official moderators are very lenient about this

because

> they know the stresses and desperation autism families suffer.

>

> I am not an official moderator and express my own POV when it

comes to

> things

> Elaine opposed ; some of Dr. Mercola's advice qualifies.

>

> I am not harsh, not nasty... maybe just not so tactful ... an SCD

> purist who has had the good fortune to meet or correspond with

people

> whose lives have been saved by SCD.

>

> The SCD diet was originated by Dr. S.V. Haas and further rearched

and

> illuminated by

> Elaine. She was clear on her opinions and equally clear if she was

> uncertain about

> something.

>

> Every now and then I get so upset with extraneous suggestions that

are

> brought

> to SCD support lists IN GOOD FAITH that I need to take a leave of

> absence before I'm told I don't belong.

> (It does not trouble me to become unpopular if a person's health

can be

> saved as a result.) This list is supposed to be about Mutual

Support,

> not " Ask Jeeves. "

>

> I urge people to learn SCD, give it a fair trial to the best of

their

> ability..as it is written

> without complicating it. Read the book and study the two web sites

> before jumping in.

> Learn how to look for answers that are in the book and on the SCD

> Internet sites.. Correspond with companies to determine if store

bought

> food is legal instead of expecting the moderators to do it all.

These

> women are unpaid, give of their time freely and have families and

other

> responsibilities just like members and it is a miracle that they

can

> keep their cool when I do not..

>

> I realize that autism is complex, multi faceted with a multitude of

> suspected causes

> and proposed treatments and parents pursue many paths in search

of a

> cure.

>

> Being an adult on the diet is different. An adult can report on how

it

> feels to be sick and what makes things feel better. I offer my

> experience of six years on the adult and original version of the

diet.

> The autism version co-exists with it side by side. The integrity

of

> both versions has to be maintained.

>

> SCD is not about the beliefs of Donna Gates, Jordan Rubin, Sally

> Fallon, Joe Mercola or the other diets that appear to have

similarities

> to SCD. Everyone eats food and so food on one diet is bound to

appear

> on another but not ALL foods.It is about the use of specific

> carbohydrates and the elimination of starch, sugar and gluten to

> promote healing the gut and improving brain function.

>

> For everything else there is Mastercard :-)

>

> Carol F.

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

February 19, 2006

Amen !

In case any one is interested, posted a link on the autism research

institute's website earlier. There is a position paper posted by a long list of

DAN doctors (the brightest and the best of them) in the " think-tank. " Under

their paper titled " Treatment Options for Mercury / Metal Toxicity in Autism and

Related Developmental Disabilities: Consensus Paper " , they state on pg. 8:

" Reduction of Toxic Exposure . . . . *AVOIDANCE OF FISH and shellfish,

especially the largest fish (shark, swordfish, tuna), which are highest in

mercury. (Purified fish oil is allowed, as that contains important essential

fatty acids and does not contain significant amounts of mercury. The safest

oils are those that have also been tested for PCB's and other fat-soluable

toxins). " The bold letters are my emphasis.

While I understand that fish are permitted on SCD in its truest form. The above

may prove to be helpful information for those of us who wish to be fanatically

careful with exposing our children to mercury. I feel it is relevant

information since so many of us are trying to heal our children and help them

rid their bodies of mercury through diet (including following SCD).

Please feel free to eat fish if you like (especially since it is allowed by

SCD). But can anyone disagree that we should be able to share information so

that we can all make intelligent, informed, and personal decisions concerning

the health of our children?

Jeni Lynn

concerned mother of 3 children on SCD

Re: Re: Fish

Suzanne,

You're right to ask so many questions... and this is the right group.

Many ASD parents don't do a " pure " SCD (some don't do casein, goat yougurt,

Sweet& Low; Rotation, fish/mercury concerns, food allergies,etc.).

What's nice about Pecanbread is that they've taken much of this into

consideration and modified the " pure " SCD for us.

For example the staging is helpful.

The moderators and participants are very helpful and dedcated.

Agape,

Suzanne szmidford@...szmidford@...>> wrote:

Thank you Carol. As a newbie, I want very much to distinguish

between " Pure " SCD and the various interpretations that exist in the

autism community. That's why I'm asking so many questions here, and

not on all those other lists. As I read and learn, I realize that the

quote-unquote " SCD diet " as practiced by many of the parents I know

isn't a true SCD diet. I want to do it right, for benefit of my son.

Therefore, I appreciate your answering all my piddly little newbie

questions (though I've read the SCD and pecanbread sites to

exhaustion, my son is a tough case and I can't find exact answers

that fit him). I also appreciate your setting us all straight on

what's true SCD as Elaine intended it, and what's not. We need

someone to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Suzanne

> >

> > Dear Carol,

> >

> > I understand that Dr. Mercola did not develop SCD, but

interestingly

> enough much of

> what he says lines up with SCD. His book is not geared for people

with

> intestinal issues;

> however, what he recommends for the " average " person is not far off

> from what Elaine

> suggests we do (such as removing grains, corn, soy, etc. from the

diet).

> >

> > My point in providing the information was to help someone out

with a

> mercury / fish

> question. Elaine does not address this in SCD, so are we not to

> investigate answers to any

> questions that Elaine didn't personally address?

> >

> > I saw no harm in providing this information to a person who is

trying

> to find answers. It

> doesn't conflict with SCD in any way and may, in fact, end up

helping

> this woman's child.

> >

>

> , you did no harm. It's time for my annual rant when I perceive

> that Pecanbread could use a shakeup.

> Its really hard to dance at two weddings at once.!

>

> Adam is a man. Adam has a beard. Therefore can we conclude all men

have

> beards?

>

> Macs serves salads with dressing on the side.

> Therefore should we conclude Macs has similarities to SCD?

>

> Elaine asked me in 2002 not to contact Dr. Mercola about the

> similarities between his

> protocols and SCD. She was emphatic! ( Mercola has a proclivity to

> borrow from others without credit and he never heard of SCD at the

> time) He also sells a slew of stuff.

>

> The alternative medicine community is filled with therapies which

> appear as valuable adjuncts to SCD but often are not. As new

scientific

> findings came along Elaine was interested and open to them if they

were

> proven just as we are constantly asked for more scientific prooof

of

> the effacy of SCD. Elaine never stopped researching! And we have

all

> heard the cautions about fish.

>

> It may seem to outsiders that SCD is either a cult or a

dictatorship,

> but Elaine was determined to keep her diet intact. I am determined

to

> protect her legacy.

>

> The FAQs of the Pecanbread list ask us not to discuss other diets

and

> practices. The official moderators are very lenient about this

because

> they know the stresses and desperation autism families suffer.

>

> I am not an official moderator and express my own POV when it

comes to

> things

> Elaine opposed ; some of Dr. Mercola's advice qualifies.

>

> I am not harsh, not nasty... maybe just not so tactful ... an SCD

> purist who has had the good fortune to meet or correspond with

people

> whose lives have been saved by SCD.

>

> The SCD diet was originated by Dr. S.V. Haas and further rearched

and

> illuminated by

> Elaine. She was clear on her opinions and equally clear if she was

> uncertain about

> something.

>

> Every now and then I get so upset with extraneous suggestions that

are

> brought

> to SCD support lists IN GOOD FAITH that I need to take a leave of

> absence before I'm told I don't belong.

> (It does not trouble me to become unpopular if a person's health

can be

> saved as a result.) This list is supposed to be about Mutual

Support,

> not " Ask Jeeves. "

>

> I urge people to learn SCD, give it a fair trial to the best of

their

> ability..as it is written

> without complicating it. Read the book and study the two web sites

> before jumping in.

> Learn how to look for answers that are in the book and on the SCD

> Internet sites.. Correspond with companies to determine if store

bought

> food is legal instead of expecting the moderators to do it all.

These

> women are unpaid, give of their time freely and have families and

other

> responsibilities just like members and it is a miracle that they

can

> keep their cool when I do not..

>

> I realize that autism is complex, multi faceted with a multitude of

> suspected causes

> and proposed treatments and parents pursue many paths in search

of a

> cure.

>

> Being an adult on the diet is different. An adult can report on how

it

> feels to be sick and what makes things feel better. I offer my

> experience of six years on the adult and original version of the

diet.

> The autism version co-exists with it side by side. The integrity

of

> both versions has to be maintained.

>

> SCD is not about the beliefs of Donna Gates, Jordan Rubin, Sally

> Fallon, Joe Mercola or the other diets that appear to have

similarities

> to SCD. Everyone eats food and so food on one diet is bound to

appear

> on another but not ALL foods.It is about the use of specific

> carbohydrates and the elimination of starch, sugar and gluten to

> promote healing the gut and improving brain function.

>

> For everything else there is Mastercard :-)

>

> Carol F.

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

>

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

>

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/>

>

February 19, 2006