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Bananas cannot be frozen, really even chilled they will turn black.. Now I

saw on tv this lady advertising her 'green bags'and that bananas and other

fruits and veggies will keep longer stored in them. I have seen them in

super markets and just recently on tv...

If my bananas start getting ripe quicker than I had hoped I usually make

some sort of muffin or something. Then I can still make use of it for fiber

and still rather helps with diarrhea in that it provides some bulk.

Cheers JOlene

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Completely forgot about coating the banana with something. Dairy Queen used

to coat theirs with stuff, I remember a chocolate covered banana.. Course if

you are taking the bananas for part of BRAT diet to alleviate diarrhea no

doubt you will not what to cover them with cereal... Hmmm well it would add

fiber and then helps solidify the stool. Might work...

Been so long since I have chilled banana that I could not remember if the

whole thing turned color or not. I am just very leery of overripe bananas.

I recall someone getting food poisoning from eating overripe bananas one

time, thought I think it was bananas in a cream pie... So that could have

been the milk in the pudding/filling part as well.

Well about done cleaning my room and Kris is ready for bed so I will just

stop and finish it tomorrow morning. I am tired anyway.

Take care all hope tomorrow is a great day for you..... Hugs Jolene

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Emma,

Do you see the bad behavior the next day after eating the bananas or

the same day? Also, are your bananas cooked or raw?

One day out of 4 (we're rotating foods) is a cranky one for my

daughter, and I haven't been able to put my finger on what it is

that's causing it. She always wakes up cranky the day after she has

broccoli & beef for dinner and banana for afternoon snack. But I

don't notice a same-day behavioral reaction to the banana - even 2

or 3 hours later. Do you?

Cindy

> hi

>

> has anyone noticed black bits in their childrens bms after eating

bananas - may be the following day? we have and it also seems to

accompany worsening bms and behaviour

>

> thanks

>

> emma

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We just started our first round of TD DMSA and thought our son was reacting to

yeast already...but we have also recently introduced bananas more regularly. I

haven't noticed the black pieces..but we are having looser bowels and more

behavior problems. I associated them as yeasty behaviors. I will have to

remove them and see if I notice a difference.

Mom to almost 3 and SCD 4 1/2 months

bananas

hi

has anyone noticed black bits in their childrens bms after eating bananas -

may be the following day? we have and it also seems to accompany worsening bms

and behaviour

thanks

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nope its the day after i see any problems, fian especially is really

grizzly, miserable, and begs me for more bananas - he would eat them

all day if i let him - which is never a good sign

ive suspected them being an issue a few times but because i

restarted the diet, i was finally able to pinpoint what seems to be

one of our biggest culprits

initially when i first started scd, i assumed the black bits were

normal, and that they were having trouble with the amines in the

bananas

but

i had a very recent conversation with the author of a juicing book -

mainly about candida and scd and he actually told me to watch

bananas as there were few originals and most were mainly hybrid and

were causing a number of difficulties and issues for a lot of people

and they were no longer something that he would reccommend for

people that were trying to clear up digestive disorders

i had actually forgotten this conversation until now - i think i

must have made the assumption that that was 'commercail' and not

organic but i now believe that what he says goes across the board

i cant see a food that was originally considered a good starter food

causing so many problems unless something fundamental had changed

see if its possible to substitute with something else - i was using

it in yogurt as its the only way i can get the yogurt down the boys

without a fight - im currently trying raspberry juice - all black

bits have gone with that and fians mood and stools have returned to

almost normal (for him anyway)

hth

emma

> > hi

> >

> > has anyone noticed black bits in their childrens bms after

eating

> bananas - may be the following day? we have and it also seems to

> accompany worsening bms and behaviour

> >

> > thanks

> >

> > emma

> >

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That's really helpful. Thanks, Emma. Hard to believe that the

bananas could cause a next-day reaction like that, when they're

supposedly out of your stomach in 1/2 hour... Of course, today is

the banana snack day, and she's currently at preschool, just having

eaten the 1/2 banana that I sent with her (along with some yogurt

and a lamb chop, if you can believe it). I'm 100% sure she'll have

eaten it though... she loves them. Ack! Another bad morning in

store...

Is there a particular timeframe you see for the behaviors? With us,

it sometimes wears off by lunchtime the next day, but can carry

through the day.

Cindy

> > > hi

> > >

> > > has anyone noticed black bits in their childrens bms after

> eating

> > bananas - may be the following day? we have and it also seems

to

> > accompany worsening bms and behaviour

> > >

> > > thanks

> > >

> > > emma

> > >

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That's really helpful. Thanks, Emma. Hard to believe that the

bananas could cause a next-day reaction like that, when they're

supposedly out of your stomach in 1/2 hour... Of course, today is

the banana snack day, and she's currently at preschool, just having

eaten the 1/2 banana that I sent with her (along with some yogurt

and a lamb chop, if you can believe it). I'm 100% sure she'll have

eaten it though... she loves them. Ack! Another bad morning in

store...

Is there a particular timeframe you see for the behaviors? With us,

it sometimes wears off by lunchtime the next day, but can carry

through the day.

Cindy

> > > hi

> > >

> > > has anyone noticed black bits in their childrens bms after

> eating

> > bananas - may be the following day? we have and it also seems

to

> > accompany worsening bms and behaviour

> > >

> > > thanks

> > >

> > > emma

> > >

> > >

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havent sussed an exact time frame as yet, but he gets extremely horrid about 2

hours before he passes a stool and that is at usually 3 - 4 pm, and then we have

a complete meltdown just before and then once its over he calms down - but this

behaviour is only consistent with bananas

i havent seen it as yet with other fruit - but then im staying away from 'high'

sugar fruits - just in case

sheila suggested trying to slow its progress with protein and initially i

thought it had helped but of course the reaction didnt present itself for 2 days

- they hadnt had any for a while - so thats quite interesting in that it took 2

days for the reactions to start taking place and since that they happen within

24 hours

if i withold bananas for a few weeks it will again take the 48 hours to

kickstart a 'reactive' phase, that then becomes 24 consistent, this has

definately happened the last 2 occasions that i have tried to introduce them

i wonder whats causing that? is it feeding a particular type of bacteria?

hence the black bits increase? i dont know where i could go to ascertain that

kind of information?

kindest regards

emma

mama2gandj no_reply > wrote:

That's really helpful. Thanks, Emma. Hard to believe that the

bananas could cause a next-day reaction like that, when they're

supposedly out of your stomach in 1/2 hour... Of course, today is

the banana snack day, and she's currently at preschool, just having

eaten the 1/2 banana that I sent with her (along with some yogurt

and a lamb chop, if you can believe it). I'm 100% sure she'll have

eaten it though... she loves them. Ack! Another bad morning in

store...

Is there a particular timeframe you see for the behaviors? With us,

it sometimes wears off by lunchtime the next day, but can carry

through the day.

Cindy

> > > hi

> > >

> > > has anyone noticed black bits in their childrens bms after

> eating

> > bananas - may be the following day? we have and it also seems

to

> > accompany worsening bms and behaviour

> > >

> > > thanks

> > >

> > > emma

> > >

> > >

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havent sussed an exact time frame as yet, but he gets extremely horrid about 2

hours before he passes a stool and that is at usually 3 - 4 pm, and then we have

a complete meltdown just before and then once its over he calms down - but this

behaviour is only consistent with bananas

i havent seen it as yet with other fruit - but then im staying away from 'high'

sugar fruits - just in case

sheila suggested trying to slow its progress with protein and initially i

thought it had helped but of course the reaction didnt present itself for 2 days

- they hadnt had any for a while - so thats quite interesting in that it took 2

days for the reactions to start taking place and since that they happen within

24 hours

if i withold bananas for a few weeks it will again take the 48 hours to

kickstart a 'reactive' phase, that then becomes 24 consistent, this has

definately happened the last 2 occasions that i have tried to introduce them

i wonder whats causing that? is it feeding a particular type of bacteria?

hence the black bits increase? i dont know where i could go to ascertain that

kind of information?

kindest regards

emma

mama2gandj no_reply > wrote:

That's really helpful. Thanks, Emma. Hard to believe that the

bananas could cause a next-day reaction like that, when they're

supposedly out of your stomach in 1/2 hour... Of course, today is

the banana snack day, and she's currently at preschool, just having

eaten the 1/2 banana that I sent with her (along with some yogurt

and a lamb chop, if you can believe it). I'm 100% sure she'll have

eaten it though... she loves them. Ack! Another bad morning in

store...

Is there a particular timeframe you see for the behaviors? With us,

it sometimes wears off by lunchtime the next day, but can carry

through the day.

Cindy

> > > hi

> > >

> > > has anyone noticed black bits in their childrens bms after

> eating

> > bananas - may be the following day? we have and it also seems

to

> > accompany worsening bms and behaviour

> > >

> > > thanks

> > >

> > > emma

> > >

> > >

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Have you checked if you child is allergic to sugar (including fruit

sugars?). My son was flapping about a lot and I could never understand why

the diet was such a problem - especially bananas (he and his sister ate a

lot of bananas and baked apple). Since being treated for fruit sugar allergy

he has settled down. If you are within range of an NAET centre of AAE

(advanced allergy elimination clinic) these could be of assistance apart

from the orthodox routes.

Re: Re: bananas

> havent sussed an exact time frame as yet, but he gets extremely horrid

about 2 hours before he passes a stool and that is at usually 3 - 4 pm, and

then we have a complete meltdown just before and then once its over he calms

down - but this behaviour is only consistent with bananas

>

> i havent seen it as yet with other fruit - but then im staying away from

'high' sugar fruits - just in case

>

> sheila suggested trying to slow its progress with protein and initially i

thought it had helped but of course the reaction didnt present itself for 2

days - they hadnt had any for a while - so thats quite interesting in that

it took 2 days for the reactions to start taking place and since that they

happen within 24 hours

>

> if i withold bananas for a few weeks it will again take the 48 hours to

kickstart a 'reactive' phase, that then becomes 24 consistent, this has

definately happened the last 2 occasions that i have tried to introduce them

>

> i wonder whats causing that? is it feeding a particular type of bacteria?

hence the black bits increase? i dont know where i could go to ascertain

that kind of information?

>

> kindest regards

>

> emma

>

>

> mama2gandj no_reply > wrote:

> That's really helpful. Thanks, Emma. Hard to believe that the

> bananas could cause a next-day reaction like that, when they're

> supposedly out of your stomach in 1/2 hour... Of course, today is

> the banana snack day, and she's currently at preschool, just having

> eaten the 1/2 banana that I sent with her (along with some yogurt

> and a lamb chop, if you can believe it). I'm 100% sure she'll have

> eaten it though... she loves them. Ack! Another bad morning in

> store...

>

> Is there a particular timeframe you see for the behaviors? With us,

> it sometimes wears off by lunchtime the next day, but can carry

> through the day.

> Cindy

>

>

>

> > > > hi

> > > >

> > > > has anyone noticed black bits in their childrens bms after

> > eating

> > > bananas - may be the following day? we have and it also seems

> to

> > > accompany worsening bms and behaviour

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > >

> > > > emma

> > > >

> > > >

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never thought about it being an actual allergy to the sugar? we are okay with

low sugar fruits but i have a big problem with fructose intolerence and cant eat

any fruit unless cooked ans low sugar

thanks

emma

T & N Spee thespees@...> wrote:

Have you checked if you child is allergic to sugar (including fruit

sugars?). My son was flapping about a lot and I could never understand why

the diet was such a problem - especially bananas (he and his sister ate a

lot of bananas and baked apple). Since being treated for fruit sugar allergy

he has settled down. If you are within range of an NAET centre of AAE

(advanced allergy elimination clinic) these could be of assistance apart

from the orthodox routes.

Re: Re: bananas

> havent sussed an exact time frame as yet, but he gets extremely horrid

about 2 hours before he passes a stool and that is at usually 3 - 4 pm, and

then we have a complete meltdown just before and then once its over he calms

down - but this behaviour is only consistent with bananas

>

> i havent seen it as yet with other fruit - but then im staying away from

'high' sugar fruits - just in case

>

> sheila suggested trying to slow its progress with protein and initially i

thought it had helped but of course the reaction didnt present itself for 2

days - they hadnt had any for a while - so thats quite interesting in that

it took 2 days for the reactions to start taking place and since that they

happen within 24 hours

>

> if i withold bananas for a few weeks it will again take the 48 hours to

kickstart a 'reactive' phase, that then becomes 24 consistent, this has

definately happened the last 2 occasions that i have tried to introduce them

>

> i wonder whats causing that? is it feeding a particular type of bacteria?

hence the black bits increase? i dont know where i could go to ascertain

that kind of information?

>

> kindest regards

>

> emma

>

>

> mama2gandj no_reply > wrote:

> That's really helpful. Thanks, Emma. Hard to believe that the

> bananas could cause a next-day reaction like that, when they're

> supposedly out of your stomach in 1/2 hour... Of course, today is

> the banana snack day, and she's currently at preschool, just having

> eaten the 1/2 banana that I sent with her (along with some yogurt

> and a lamb chop, if you can believe it). I'm 100% sure she'll have

> eaten it though... she loves them. Ack! Another bad morning in

> store...

>

> Is there a particular timeframe you see for the behaviors? With us,

> it sometimes wears off by lunchtime the next day, but can carry

> through the day.

> Cindy

>

>

>

> > > > hi

> > > >

> > > > has anyone noticed black bits in their childrens bms after

> > eating

> > > bananas - may be the following day? we have and it also seems

> to

> > > accompany worsening bms and behaviour

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > >

> > > > emma

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ---------------------------------

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never thought about it being an actual allergy to the sugar? we are okay with

low sugar fruits but i have a big problem with fructose intolerence and cant eat

any fruit unless cooked ans low sugar

thanks

emma

T & N Spee thespees@...> wrote:

Have you checked if you child is allergic to sugar (including fruit

sugars?). My son was flapping about a lot and I could never understand why

the diet was such a problem - especially bananas (he and his sister ate a

lot of bananas and baked apple). Since being treated for fruit sugar allergy

he has settled down. If you are within range of an NAET centre of AAE

(advanced allergy elimination clinic) these could be of assistance apart

from the orthodox routes.

Re: Re: bananas

> havent sussed an exact time frame as yet, but he gets extremely horrid

about 2 hours before he passes a stool and that is at usually 3 - 4 pm, and

then we have a complete meltdown just before and then once its over he calms

down - but this behaviour is only consistent with bananas

>

> i havent seen it as yet with other fruit - but then im staying away from

'high' sugar fruits - just in case

>

> sheila suggested trying to slow its progress with protein and initially i

thought it had helped but of course the reaction didnt present itself for 2

days - they hadnt had any for a while - so thats quite interesting in that

it took 2 days for the reactions to start taking place and since that they

happen within 24 hours

>

> if i withold bananas for a few weeks it will again take the 48 hours to

kickstart a 'reactive' phase, that then becomes 24 consistent, this has

definately happened the last 2 occasions that i have tried to introduce them

>

> i wonder whats causing that? is it feeding a particular type of bacteria?

hence the black bits increase? i dont know where i could go to ascertain

that kind of information?

>

> kindest regards

>

> emma

>

>

> mama2gandj no_reply > wrote:

> That's really helpful. Thanks, Emma. Hard to believe that the

> bananas could cause a next-day reaction like that, when they're

> supposedly out of your stomach in 1/2 hour... Of course, today is

> the banana snack day, and she's currently at preschool, just having

> eaten the 1/2 banana that I sent with her (along with some yogurt

> and a lamb chop, if you can believe it). I'm 100% sure she'll have

> eaten it though... she loves them. Ack! Another bad morning in

> store...

>

> Is there a particular timeframe you see for the behaviors? With us,

> it sometimes wears off by lunchtime the next day, but can carry

> through the day.

> Cindy

>

>

>

> > > > hi

> > > >

> > > > has anyone noticed black bits in their childrens bms after

> > eating

> > > bananas - may be the following day? we have and it also seems

> to

> > > accompany worsening bms and behaviour

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > >

> > > > emma

> > > >

> > > >

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Why is cooked fruit easier to digest than raw fruit? I would think that the

raw fruit would have enzymes in it, and would be healthier?

Re: Re: bananas

>

>

>> havent sussed an exact time frame as yet, but he gets extremely horrid

> about 2 hours before he passes a stool and that is at usually 3 - 4 pm,

> and

> then we have a complete meltdown just before and then once its over he

> calms

> down - but this behaviour is only consistent with bananas

>>

>> i havent seen it as yet with other fruit - but then im staying away from

> 'high' sugar fruits - just in case

>>

>> sheila suggested trying to slow its progress with protein and initially i

> thought it had helped but of course the reaction didnt present itself for

> 2

> days - they hadnt had any for a while - so thats quite interesting in that

> it took 2 days for the reactions to start taking place and since that they

> happen within 24 hours

>>

>> if i withold bananas for a few weeks it will again take the 48 hours to

> kickstart a 'reactive' phase, that then becomes 24 consistent, this has

> definately happened the last 2 occasions that i have tried to introduce

> them

>>

>> i wonder whats causing that? is it feeding a particular type of

>> bacteria?

> hence the black bits increase? i dont know where i could go to ascertain

> that kind of information?

>>

>> kindest regards

>>

>> emma

>>

>>

>> mama2gandj no_reply > wrote:

>> That's really helpful. Thanks, Emma. Hard to believe that the

>> bananas could cause a next-day reaction like that, when they're

>> supposedly out of your stomach in 1/2 hour... Of course, today is

>> the banana snack day, and she's currently at preschool, just having

>> eaten the 1/2 banana that I sent with her (along with some yogurt

>> and a lamb chop, if you can believe it). I'm 100% sure she'll have

>> eaten it though... she loves them. Ack! Another bad morning in

>> store...

>>

>> Is there a particular timeframe you see for the behaviors? With us,

>> it sometimes wears off by lunchtime the next day, but can carry

>> through the day.

>> Cindy

>>

>>

>>

>> > > > hi

>> > > >

>> > > > has anyone noticed black bits in their childrens bms after

>> > eating

>> > > bananas - may be the following day? we have and it also seems

>> to

>> > > accompany worsening bms and behaviour

>> > > >

>> > > > thanks

>> > > >

>> > > > emma

>> > > >

>> > > >

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Why is cooked fruit easier to digest than raw fruit? I would think that the

raw fruit would have enzymes in it, and would be healthier?

Re: Re: bananas

>

>

>> havent sussed an exact time frame as yet, but he gets extremely horrid

> about 2 hours before he passes a stool and that is at usually 3 - 4 pm,

> and

> then we have a complete meltdown just before and then once its over he

> calms

> down - but this behaviour is only consistent with bananas

>>

>> i havent seen it as yet with other fruit - but then im staying away from

> 'high' sugar fruits - just in case

>>

>> sheila suggested trying to slow its progress with protein and initially i

> thought it had helped but of course the reaction didnt present itself for

> 2

> days - they hadnt had any for a while - so thats quite interesting in that

> it took 2 days for the reactions to start taking place and since that they

> happen within 24 hours

>>

>> if i withold bananas for a few weeks it will again take the 48 hours to

> kickstart a 'reactive' phase, that then becomes 24 consistent, this has

> definately happened the last 2 occasions that i have tried to introduce

> them

>>

>> i wonder whats causing that? is it feeding a particular type of

>> bacteria?

> hence the black bits increase? i dont know where i could go to ascertain

> that kind of information?

>>

>> kindest regards

>>

>> emma

>>

>>

>> mama2gandj no_reply > wrote:

>> That's really helpful. Thanks, Emma. Hard to believe that the

>> bananas could cause a next-day reaction like that, when they're

>> supposedly out of your stomach in 1/2 hour... Of course, today is

>> the banana snack day, and she's currently at preschool, just having

>> eaten the 1/2 banana that I sent with her (along with some yogurt

>> and a lamb chop, if you can believe it). I'm 100% sure she'll have

>> eaten it though... she loves them. Ack! Another bad morning in

>> store...

>>

>> Is there a particular timeframe you see for the behaviors? With us,

>> it sometimes wears off by lunchtime the next day, but can carry

>> through the day.

>> Cindy

>>

>>

>>

>> > > > hi

>> > > >

>> > > > has anyone noticed black bits in their childrens bms after

>> > eating

>> > > bananas - may be the following day? we have and it also seems

>> to

>> > > accompany worsening bms and behaviour

>> > > >

>> > > > thanks

>> > > >

>> > > > emma

>> > > >

>> > > >

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something to do with the cellulose layer that surround fruit - the gut finds it

very difficult to break down enzymes or no, hence if its cooked, the cellulose

layer is softened

but i must say one thing does confuse me

im sure it says on one of the stages to give raw food peeled - so there i agree

with you, surely the enzymes in the skin would make it easier for the raw food

to be digested?

regards

emma

Marilyn Sawyer marilyn1972@...> wrote:

Why is cooked fruit easier to digest than raw fruit? I would think that the

raw fruit would have enzymes in it, and would be healthier?

Re: Re: bananas

>

>

>> havent sussed an exact time frame as yet, but he gets extremely horrid

> about 2 hours before he passes a stool and that is at usually 3 - 4 pm,

> and

> then we have a complete meltdown just before and then once its over he

> calms

> down - but this behaviour is only consistent with bananas

>>

>> i havent seen it as yet with other fruit - but then im staying away from

> 'high' sugar fruits - just in case

>>

>> sheila suggested trying to slow its progress with protein and initially i

> thought it had helped but of course the reaction didnt present itself for

> 2

> days - they hadnt had any for a while - so thats quite interesting in that

> it took 2 days for the reactions to start taking place and since that they

> happen within 24 hours

>>

>> if i withold bananas for a few weeks it will again take the 48 hours to

> kickstart a 'reactive' phase, that then becomes 24 consistent, this has

> definately happened the last 2 occasions that i have tried to introduce

> them

>>

>> i wonder whats causing that? is it feeding a particular type of

>> bacteria?

> hence the black bits increase? i dont know where i could go to ascertain

> that kind of information?

>>

>> kindest regards

>>

>> emma

>>

>>

>> mama2gandj no_reply > wrote:

>> That's really helpful. Thanks, Emma. Hard to believe that the

>> bananas could cause a next-day reaction like that, when they're

>> supposedly out of your stomach in 1/2 hour... Of course, today is

>> the banana snack day, and she's currently at preschool, just having

>> eaten the 1/2 banana that I sent with her (along with some yogurt

>> and a lamb chop, if you can believe it). I'm 100% sure she'll have

>> eaten it though... she loves them. Ack! Another bad morning in

>> store...

>>

>> Is there a particular timeframe you see for the behaviors? With us,

>> it sometimes wears off by lunchtime the next day, but can carry

>> through the day.

>> Cindy

>>

>>

>>

>> > > > hi

>> > > >

>> > > > has anyone noticed black bits in their childrens bms after

>> > eating

>> > > bananas - may be the following day? we have and it also seems

>> to

>> > > accompany worsening bms and behaviour

>> > > >

>> > > > thanks

>> > > >

>> > > > emma

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something to do with the cellulose layer that surround fruit - the gut finds it

very difficult to break down enzymes or no, hence if its cooked, the cellulose

layer is softened

but i must say one thing does confuse me

im sure it says on one of the stages to give raw food peeled - so there i agree

with you, surely the enzymes in the skin would make it easier for the raw food

to be digested?

regards

emma

Marilyn Sawyer marilyn1972@...> wrote:

Why is cooked fruit easier to digest than raw fruit? I would think that the

raw fruit would have enzymes in it, and would be healthier?

Re: Re: bananas

>

>

>> havent sussed an exact time frame as yet, but he gets extremely horrid

> about 2 hours before he passes a stool and that is at usually 3 - 4 pm,

> and

> then we have a complete meltdown just before and then once its over he

> calms

> down - but this behaviour is only consistent with bananas

>>

>> i havent seen it as yet with other fruit - but then im staying away from

> 'high' sugar fruits - just in case

>>

>> sheila suggested trying to slow its progress with protein and initially i

> thought it had helped but of course the reaction didnt present itself for

> 2

> days - they hadnt had any for a while - so thats quite interesting in that

> it took 2 days for the reactions to start taking place and since that they

> happen within 24 hours

>>

>> if i withold bananas for a few weeks it will again take the 48 hours to

> kickstart a 'reactive' phase, that then becomes 24 consistent, this has

> definately happened the last 2 occasions that i have tried to introduce

> them

>>

>> i wonder whats causing that? is it feeding a particular type of

>> bacteria?

> hence the black bits increase? i dont know where i could go to ascertain

> that kind of information?

>>

>> kindest regards

>>

>> emma

>>

>>

>> mama2gandj no_reply > wrote:

>> That's really helpful. Thanks, Emma. Hard to believe that the

>> bananas could cause a next-day reaction like that, when they're

>> supposedly out of your stomach in 1/2 hour... Of course, today is

>> the banana snack day, and she's currently at preschool, just having

>> eaten the 1/2 banana that I sent with her (along with some yogurt

>> and a lamb chop, if you can believe it). I'm 100% sure she'll have

>> eaten it though... she loves them. Ack! Another bad morning in

>> store...

>>

>> Is there a particular timeframe you see for the behaviors? With us,

>> it sometimes wears off by lunchtime the next day, but can carry

>> through the day.

>> Cindy

>>

>>

>>

>> > > > hi

>> > > >

>> > > > has anyone noticed black bits in their childrens bms after

>> > eating

>> > > bananas - may be the following day? we have and it also seems

>> to

>> > > accompany worsening bms and behaviour

>> > > >

>> > > > thanks

>> > > >

>> > > > emma

>> > > >

>> > > >

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Hi Emma,

> something to do with the cellulose layer that surround fruit - the

gut finds it very difficult to break down enzymes or no, hence if

its cooked, the cellulose layer is softened

Yes, the body can get the nutrients out of the cell easier if it is

cooked rather then raw - can " milk " out more of the good stuff. And

if the gut is damaged and the body is unable to utilize the fiber in

the fruit then it will go farther down in the gut and fed the

nasties.

> but i must say one thing does confuse me

>

> im sure it says on one of the stages to give raw food peeled - so

there i agree with you, surely the enzymes in the skin would make it

easier for the raw food to be digested?

Well, once the gut is healed sufficiently it should be able to

digest the raw peeled and eventually raw, unpeeled fruit and

veggies. But not at the beginning of the diet while healing still

needs to take place.

Sheila, SCD 56 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 41 mos

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Emma,

When my son has bananas, I too notice his behavior changes. I think this is

due to the phenols...

bananas

> hi

>

> has anyone noticed black bits in their childrens bms after eating

bananas - may be the following day? we have and it also seems to accompany

worsening bms and behaviour

>

> thanks

>

> emma

>

>

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, would appreciate additional information about your comment - " Since

being treated for fruit sugar allergy he has settled down. "

My question is - how was your child treated and where? I too cannot eat

fruit because of the sugar, especially bananas. Thanks any applicable

information and clarification, Sam.

P.S. I follow this email list because one of my grandsons is autistic but

have found valuable information that has helped me with my digestive

problems.

Re: Re: bananas

>

>

>> havent sussed an exact time frame as yet, but he gets extremely horrid

> about 2 hours before he passes a stool and that is at usually 3 - 4 pm,

> and

> then we have a complete meltdown just before and then once its over he

> calms

> down - but this behaviour is only consistent with bananas

>>

>> i havent seen it as yet with other fruit - but then im staying away from

> 'high' sugar fruits - just in case

>>

>> sheila suggested trying to slow its progress with protein and initially i

> thought it had helped but of course the reaction didnt present itself for

> 2

> days - they hadnt had any for a while - so thats quite interesting in that

> it took 2 days for the reactions to start taking place and since that they

> happen within 24 hours

>>

>> if i withold bananas for a few weeks it will again take the 48 hours to

> kickstart a 'reactive' phase, that then becomes 24 consistent, this has

> definately happened the last 2 occasions that i have tried to introduce

> them

>>

>> i wonder whats causing that? is it feeding a particular type of

>> bacteria?

> hence the black bits increase? i dont know where i could go to ascertain

> that kind of information?

>>

>> kindest regards

>>

>> emma

>>

>>

>> mama2gandj no_reply > wrote:

>> That's really helpful. Thanks, Emma. Hard to believe that the

>> bananas could cause a next-day reaction like that, when they're

>> supposedly out of your stomach in 1/2 hour... Of course, today is

>> the banana snack day, and she's currently at preschool, just having

>> eaten the 1/2 banana that I sent with her (along with some yogurt

>> and a lamb chop, if you can believe it). I'm 100% sure she'll have

>> eaten it though... she loves them. Ack! Another bad morning in

>> store...

>>

>> Is there a particular timeframe you see for the behaviors? With us,

>> it sometimes wears off by lunchtime the next day, but can carry

>> through the day.

>> Cindy

>>

>>

>>

>> > > > hi

>> > > >

>> > > > has anyone noticed black bits in their childrens bms after

>> > eating

>> > > bananas - may be the following day? we have and it also seems

>> to

>> > > accompany worsening bms and behaviour

>> > > >

>> > > > thanks

>> > > >

>> > > > emma

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > ---------------------------------

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>> all

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> Someone sent this to me today can you all give me your insight on it

> I am one that always tends to believe what I read so I dont know if

> this is true or not.

Well, a banana isn't going to cure you of all your ills, but they do provide

lots of great nutrients that help keep us healthy. This sounds like

something Chiquita or Dole would put out as part of an advertising campaign.

LOL

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When you go to P2, you add back 1 starch and 1 fruit. For the starch, a lot

of folks like to do their morning oatmeal (Old Fashioned/Pin Oats/Steel Cut

Oats -- none of that instant stuff!) and for the fruit, most folks pick

their favorite fruit.

On P2, the updated version of the diet allows 1 medium banana. IIRC, the

book in its original format did not allow for bananas, even on P2 (don't

have mine handy and it's been a while since I read it). But, yes, 1 medium

banana is permitted.

The best way to know what you can or cannot have is to consult the foods to

enjoy list. The most up to date version of this list can be found on the

SBDGIR website (link at the bottom of every message) in the files area. In

there you will find....

FRUIT (Start with one daily serving, gradually increase to 3 total servings

daily)

Apples - 1 small or 5 dried rings

Apricots - 4 fresh or 7 dried

Banana, medium-sized (4 oz.) <---*****

Berries, all - 3/4 cup

Cactus Pear Fruit (Prickly Pear)

Cantaloupe - 1/4, or 1 cup diced

Cherries - 12

Grapefruit - 1/2

Grapes - 15

Kiwi - 1

Mangoes - 1/2 medium (4 oz.)

Oranges - 1 medium

Papaya - 1 small (4 oz.)

Peaches - 1 medium

Pears - 1 medium

Plantain

Plums - 2

Prunes - 4

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Coming from raising children and working with seniors I have found the following

- Bananas are usually used to help curb loose stools instead of going the other

way.

Constipation:

High in fiber, including bananas in the diet can help restore normal

bowel action, helping to overcome the problem without resorting to

laxatives.

On the matter of heart burn many people as they age can not tolerate bananas

when I worked with seniors very few were able to eat bananas without having

heartburn. I am sure as suggested this is put out by a banana producer.

.. Heartburn:

Bananas have a natural antacid effect in the body, so if you suffer

from heartburn, try eating a banana for soothing relief.

Jimi

Bananas

Someone sent this to me today can you all give me your insight on it

I am one that always tends to believe what I read so I dont know if

this is true or not.

Sara

After Reading THIS, you'll NEVER look at a banana in the same way

again!

Bananas Containing three natural sugars - sucrose, fructose and

glucose combined with fiber, a banana gives an instant, sustained

and substantial boost of energy. Research has proven that just two

bananas provide enough energy for a strenuous 90-minute workout.

No wonder the banana is the number one fruit with the world's

leading athletes. But energy isn't the only way a banana can help

us keep fit. It can also help overcome or prevent a substantial

number of illnesses and conditions, making it a must to add to our

daily diet.

Depression:

According to a recent survey undertaken by MIND amongst people

suffering from depression, many felt much better after eating a

banana. This is because bananas contain tryptophan, a type of

protein that the body converts into serotonin, known to make you

relax, improve your mood and generally make you feel happier.

PMS:

Forget the pills -- eat a banana. The vitamin B6 it contains

regulates blood glucose levels, which can affect your mood.

Anemia:

High in iron, bananas can stimulate the production of hemoglobin in

the blood and so helps in cases of anemia.

Blood Pressure:

This unique tropical fruit is extremely high in potassium yet low

in salt, making it the perfect way to beat blood pressure. So much

so, the US Food and Drug Administration has just allowed the banana

industry to make official claims for the fruit's ability to reduce

the risk of blood pressure and stroke.

Brain Power:

200 students at a Twickenham (Middlesex) school were helped through

their exams this year by eating bananas at breakfast, break, and

lunch in a bid to boost their brain power. Research has shown that

the potassium-packed fruit can assist learning by making pupils more

alert.

Constipation:

High in fiber, including bananas in the diet can help restore normal

bowel action, helping to overcome the problem without resorting to

laxatives.

Hangovers:

One of the quickest ways of curing a hangover is to make a banana

milkshake, sweetened with honey. The banana calms the stomach and,

with the help of the honey, builds up depleted blood sugar levels,

while the milk soothes and re-hydrates your system.

Heartburn:

Bananas have a natural antacid effect in the body, so if you suffer

from heartburn, try eating a banana for soothing relief.

Morning Sickness:

Snacking on bananas between meals helps to keep blood sugar levels

up and avoid morning sickness.

Mosquito bites:

Before reaching for the insect bite cream, try rubbing the

affected area with the inside of a banana skin. Many people find

it amazingly successful at reducing swelling and irritation.

Nerves:

Bananas are high in B vitamins that help calm the nervous system.

Overweight and at work?

Studies at the Institute of Psychology in Austria found pressure at

work leads to gorging on comfort food like chocolate and chips.

Looking at 5,000 hospital patients, researchers found the most

obese were more likely to be in high-pressure jobs. The report

concluded that, to avoid panic-induced food cravings, we need to

control our blood sugar levels by snacking on high carbohydrate

foods every two hours to keep levels steady.

Ulcers:

The banana is used as the dietary food against intestinal disorders

because of its soft texture and smoothness. It is the only raw

fruit that can be eaten without distress in over-chronicler cases.

It also neutralizes over-acidity and reduces irritation by coating

the lining of the stomach.

Temperature control:

Many other cultures see bananas as a " cooling " fruit that can lower

both the physical and emotional temperature of expectant mothers.

In Thailand, for example, pregnant women eat bananas to ensure

their baby is born with a cool temperature.

Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD):

Bananas can help SAD sufferers because they contain the natural

mood enhancer tryptophan.

Smoking:

Bananas can also help people trying to give up smoking. The B6,

B12 they contain, as well as the potassium and magnesium found in

them, help the body recover from the effects of nicotine withdrawal.

Stress:

Potassium is a vital mineral, which helps normalize the heartbeat,

sends oxygen to the brain and regulates your body's water balance.

When we are stressed, our metabolic rate rises, thereby reducing our

potassium levels. These can be rebalanced with the help of a high-

potassium banana snack.

Strokes:

According to research in " The New England Journal of Medicine, "

eating bananas as part of a regular diet can cut the risk of death

by strokes by as much as 40%!

So, a banana really is a natural remedy for many ills. When you

compare it to an apple, it has four times the protein, twice the

carbohydrates, three times the phosphorus, five times the vitamin A

and iron, and twice the other vitamins and minerals. It is also

rich in potassium and is one of the best value foods around. So

maybe its time to change that well-known phrase so that we say, " A

banana a day keeps the doctor away! "

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Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The South

Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good

ones - and enables you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats.

For more on this Way Of Eating please read " The South Beach Diet " by Arthur

Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8

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In the SBD Good Fats Good Carbs Guide, page 87, bananas are to be avoided in

Phase 1 but are GOOD in Phases 2 and 3.

In the SBD Cookbook (orange), page 19, it states to avoid the banana in Phase 2,

also avoid pineapple, raisins, and watermelon!

Sheila (Virginia)

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> In the SBD Good Fats Good Carbs Guide, page 87, bananas are

> to be avoided in Phase 1 but are GOOD in Phases 2 and 3.

>

> In the SBD Cookbook (orange), page 19, it states to avoid the

> banana in Phase 2, also avoid pineapple, raisins, and watermelon!

The " no banana " rule was changed a long time ago to allow for 1 medium

banana during P2 (6/10/2004). I don't think the others have been changed

though.

June 10, 2004:

Bananas on The South Beach DietT

Good news! You can now eat a medium-sized banana as part of Phase 2 of The

South Beach DietT.

Why the change? In reviewing the 2002 International Table of Glycemic Index

and Glycemic Load, a 4-ounce medium (120 gram) banana has a low glycemic

index and an intermediate glycemic load - making it an acceptable fruit for

Phase 2 .

Here's what this all means: Although the glycemic index (GI) of a food is

helpful

information in choosing which foods to eat, it is only one part of the

picture. The

effect a food has on blood sugar levels depends on both the amount of

carbohydrate as well as the glycemic index of that carbohydrate, which

together

is known as the glycemic load (GL).

For this reason the latest international table of the GI ranks foods based

on both

the GI as well as the GL. The GL better reflects a food's effect on your

body's

biochemistry than either the amount of carbohydrate or the GI alone.

Many foods can be misrepresented by just looking at their GI. Other

nutrients in

a food must also be considered. Good carbohydrates are nutrient-dense,

slowly

digested (usually due to a higher fiber content), and have a low to

intermediate

GI and GL. Whole fruits offer fiber, vitamins, minerals, and plenty of

phytochemicals.

Since bananas vary in size, they had previously been listed as " avoid " or

" eat

rarely " on The South Beach DietT. However, with the more complete picture

offered to us with the combination of GI and GL, as well as the nutritional

contribution of the banana - a fruit packed with fiber, vitamin C and B6,

and

potassium - we are pleased to offer a medium banana as a fruit choice

beginning in Phase 2.

As always, continue to monitor your response to the fruits as you

reintroduce

them.

In reviewing and investigating the GI and GL (and the constant evolution of

information), we strive to update you and provide you with the tools and

information to help you make appropriate food choices.

http://www.southbeachdiet.com/public/diet-updates/diet-updates.asp?id=003

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Bananas, although tasty, seem to always give me heartburn. I don't

think it has anything to do with age, as I'm only 30.

Also, although they are allowed starting in Phase 2, I try to avoid

them because they're so easy to eat, I eat them really fast and find

they don't satisfy me as well as, say, a nice green apple, which

takes a good few minutes to eat and chew.

>

> Coming from raising children and working with seniors I have found

the following - Bananas are usually used to help curb loose stools

instead of going the other way.

>

> Constipation:

> High in fiber, including bananas in the diet can help restore

normal

> bowel action, helping to overcome the problem without resorting to

> laxatives.

>

> On the matter of heart burn many people as they age can not

tolerate bananas when I worked with seniors very few were able to

eat bananas without having heartburn. I am sure as suggested

this is put out by a banana producer. . Heartburn:

> Bananas have a natural antacid effect in the body, so if you

suffer

> from heartburn, try eating a banana for soothing relief.

> Jimi

> Bananas

>

>

> Someone sent this to me today can you all give me your insight

on it

> I am one that always tends to believe what I read so I dont know

if

> this is true or not.

>

> Sara

>

>

>

>

>

> After Reading THIS, you'll NEVER look at a banana in the same

way

> again!

>

> Bananas Containing three natural sugars - sucrose, fructose and

> glucose combined with fiber, a banana gives an instant,

sustained

> and substantial boost of energy. Research has proven that just

two

> bananas provide enough energy for a strenuous 90-minute

workout.

> No wonder the banana is the number one fruit with the world's

> leading athletes. But energy isn't the only way a banana can

help

> us keep fit. It can also help overcome or prevent a substantial

> number of illnesses and conditions, making it a must to add to

our

> daily diet.

>

> Depression:

> According to a recent survey undertaken by MIND amongst people

> suffering from depression, many felt much better after eating a

> banana. This is because bananas contain tryptophan, a type of

> protein that the body converts into serotonin, known to make you

> relax, improve your mood and generally make you feel happier.

>

> PMS:

> Forget the pills -- eat a banana. The vitamin B6 it contains

> regulates blood glucose levels, which can affect your mood.

>

> Anemia:

> High in iron, bananas can stimulate the production of hemoglobin

in

> the blood and so helps in cases of anemia.

>

> Blood Pressure:

> This unique tropical fruit is extremely high in potassium yet

low

> in salt, making it the perfect way to beat blood pressure. So

much

> so, the US Food and Drug Administration has just allowed the

banana

> industry to make official claims for the fruit's ability to

reduce

> the risk of blood pressure and stroke.

>

> Brain Power:

> 200 students at a Twickenham (Middlesex) school were helped

through

> their exams this year by eating bananas at breakfast, break,

and

> lunch in a bid to boost their brain power. Research has shown

that

> the potassium-packed fruit can assist learning by making pupils

more

> alert.

>

> Constipation:

> High in fiber, including bananas in the diet can help restore

normal

> bowel action, helping to overcome the problem without resorting

to

> laxatives.

>

> Hangovers:

> One of the quickest ways of curing a hangover is to make a

banana

> milkshake, sweetened with honey. The banana calms the stomach

and,

> with the help of the honey, builds up depleted blood sugar

levels,

> while the milk soothes and re-hydrates your system.

>

> Heartburn:

> Bananas have a natural antacid effect in the body, so if you

suffer

> from heartburn, try eating a banana for soothing relief.

>

> Morning Sickness:

> Snacking on bananas between meals helps to keep blood sugar

levels

> up and avoid morning sickness.

>

> Mosquito bites:

> Before reaching for the insect bite cream, try rubbing the

> affected area with the inside of a banana skin. Many people

find

> it amazingly successful at reducing swelling and irritation.

>

>

> Nerves:

> Bananas are high in B vitamins that help calm the nervous

system.

>

>

> Overweight and at work?

> Studies at the Institute of Psychology in Austria found pressure

at

> work leads to gorging on comfort food like chocolate and chips.

> Looking at 5,000 hospital patients, researchers found the most

> obese were more likely to be in high-pressure jobs. The report

> concluded that, to avoid panic-induced food cravings, we need to

> control our blood sugar levels by snacking on high carbohydrate

> foods every two hours to keep levels steady.

>

>

> Ulcers:

> The banana is used as the dietary food against intestinal

disorders

> because of its soft texture and smoothness. It is the only raw

> fruit that can be eaten without distress in over-chronicler

cases.

> It also neutralizes over-acidity and reduces irritation by

coating

> the lining of the stomach.

>

> Temperature control:

> Many other cultures see bananas as a " cooling " fruit that can

lower

> both the physical and emotional temperature of expectant

mothers.

> In Thailand, for example, pregnant women eat bananas to ensure

> their baby is born with a cool temperature.

>

>

> Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD):

> Bananas can help SAD sufferers because they contain the natural

> mood enhancer tryptophan.

>

> Smoking:

> Bananas can also help people trying to give up smoking. The

B6,

> B12 they contain, as well as the potassium and magnesium found

in

> them, help the body recover from the effects of nicotine

withdrawal.

>

> Stress:

> Potassium is a vital mineral, which helps normalize the

heartbeat,

> sends oxygen to the brain and regulates your body's water

balance.

> When we are stressed, our metabolic rate rises, thereby reducing

our

> potassium levels. These can be rebalanced with the help of a

high-

> potassium banana snack.

>

> Strokes:

> According to research in " The New England Journal of Medicine, "

> eating bananas as part of a regular diet can cut the risk of

death

> by strokes by as much as 40%!

>

> So, a banana really is a natural remedy for many ills. When you

> compare it to an apple, it has four times the protein, twice the

> carbohydrates, three times the phosphorus, five times the

vitamin A

> and iron, and twice the other vitamins and minerals. It is also

> rich in potassium and is one of the best value foods around. So

> maybe its time to change that well-known phrase so that we

say, " A

> banana a day keeps the doctor away! "

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Please send your recipes for inclusion in the Files to the

Moderator at:

> South-Beach-Diet-Getting-It-Right-owner

>

> Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-

fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and

the right fats-the good ones - and enables you to live quite happily

without the bad carbs and bad fats.

>

> For more on this Way Of Eating please read " The South Beach

Diet " by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8

>

>

>

>

>

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