Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Hi Tanja, Did you see this previous posting? ******************************************************************** The Toilet Learning Clinic (TLC) A Clinic For Families of Children with Developmental Disabilities The Toilet Learning Clinic (TLC) is a program offered by Beaumont Hospital's Center for Human Development. It provides training for children who have experienced difficulty learning to use a toilet for urination. At TLC, professionals use principles of applied behavior analysis (ABA)to teach children how to " go potty " on the toilet. ABA has repeatedly been shown to be effective for teaching new skills and decreasing problem behaviors for children with developmental disabilities. We utilize sophisticated monitors that immediately alert us when children start to have an accident, as well as the instant they begin to urinate in the toilet TLC is a 7-hour, structured clinic offered on Fridays. A Behavioral Psychologist works individually with you and your child to implement effective techniques for toilet training your child. At the conclusion of this concentrated day of toilet training, you and your child will be able to transition these newly acquired toileting skills from TLC to your home. In the event that problems arise, your TLC Psychologist is available to you by phone throughout the two days following your visit to TLC. Follow up consultation appointments can also be arranged if necessary. If you are interested in gaining more information about TLC please contact The Center for Human Development at 248 691-4744. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Hi Tanja, Did you see this previous posting? ******************************************************************** The Toilet Learning Clinic (TLC) A Clinic For Families of Children with Developmental Disabilities The Toilet Learning Clinic (TLC) is a program offered by Beaumont Hospital's Center for Human Development. It provides training for children who have experienced difficulty learning to use a toilet for urination. At TLC, professionals use principles of applied behavior analysis (ABA)to teach children how to " go potty " on the toilet. ABA has repeatedly been shown to be effective for teaching new skills and decreasing problem behaviors for children with developmental disabilities. We utilize sophisticated monitors that immediately alert us when children start to have an accident, as well as the instant they begin to urinate in the toilet TLC is a 7-hour, structured clinic offered on Fridays. A Behavioral Psychologist works individually with you and your child to implement effective techniques for toilet training your child. At the conclusion of this concentrated day of toilet training, you and your child will be able to transition these newly acquired toileting skills from TLC to your home. In the event that problems arise, your TLC Psychologist is available to you by phone throughout the two days following your visit to TLC. Follow up consultation appointments can also be arranged if necessary. If you are interested in gaining more information about TLC please contact The Center for Human Development at 248 691-4744. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Opinions wanted . . . Hello everyone. We have been trying to potty train (4.5 years old) unsuccessfully. She can hold pee longer than anyone I know!!! (We have her go bottomless so she doesn't use the underware as a diaper). After 2.5 hours she asks for a "diapert", so we put her on the potty (with underware on -- she wont pee naked!!) and she is okay, but usually wont go. Once off and we take the underware off again, she cries "diapert? diapert? diapert?" It is the saddest thing I have heard!! It is such a pitiful cry. Like she doesn't understand why after peeing in a diaper for 4.5 years it is now wrong and she can't go in a toilet. The Momma side of me wants to shelve potty training for a while. My baby is upset that she has to do this, so let's stop it. However, one side of me says we have to be persistent and keep pushing her boundaries or she will never go in the toilet. She will always do what is comfortable for her and no more (as most or all autistics do). I would like your opinions on what you would do if this was your child. Perhaps from those of you who have been through this already, or are going through this. Thanks a bunch!TanjaSupport Everyday Miracles by shopping online at IGIVE.COM, where a portion of every purchase is donated to this support network. Proceeds received will be used for a variety of functions, such as educational activities, therapy, famiy outings, etc. http://www.igive.com/EDM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Tanja With my son, we used his strongest, almost too powerful reinforcer (THOMAS TRAINS). When we first started doing ABA, we could not use these because they were too powerful. He would not give them back for anything. So I put them away for almost 3 months. Soon when he realized how the game worked (ABA) we started talking about going on the potty. We started out watching potty videos together (while sitting on the potty). Then we watched videos (while sitting) on the potty. And I'd ask him do you want a cookie or a train. Well of course it was TRAINS...i said 'go pee and yo can have them. Well of course he wouldn't go and he too held it for hours until I put the diper on him. The next day same thing, but his time I showed him a glimpse of THOMAS, he still did not go. I then showed him all the trains and he still wouldn't go. We talked about it all day for a couple of days. Constantly reminding him if he went pee on the potty, he could have (as his reward/reinforcer). Then out of no where all by himself, he came running out of the bathroom saying "i go pee, i want trains" and the party began, he got all his trains. It took some time but eventually he got it. It has been 5 months now and he still...reminds me every single time that he went potty and can he have his trains (something else we have to work on). Hope this helps, gotta get to my little conductor right now, he is laying on the kitchen floor with "toots" the train, because mom lost again. Lynda Opinions wanted . . . Hello everyone. We have been trying to potty train (4.5 years old) unsuccessfully. She can hold pee longer than anyone I know!!! (We have her go bottomless so she doesn't use the underware as a diaper). After 2.5 hours she asks for a "diapert", so we put her on the potty (with underware on -- she wont pee naked!!) and she is okay, but usually wont go. Once off and we take the underware off again, she cries "diapert? diapert? diapert?" It is the saddest thing I have heard!! It is such a pitiful cry. Like she doesn't understand why after peeing in a diaper for 4.5 years it is now wrong and she can't go in a toilet. The Momma side of me wants to shelve potty training for a while. My baby is upset that she has to do this, so let's stop it. However, one side of me says we have to be persistent and keep pushing her boundaries or she will never go in the toilet. She will always do what is comfortable for her and no more (as most or all autistics do). I would like your opinions on what you would do if this was your child. Perhaps from those of you who have been through this already, or are going through this. Thanks a bunch!TanjaSupport Everyday Miracles by shopping online at IGIVE.COM, where a portion of every purchase is donated to this support network. Proceeds received will be used for a variety of functions, such as educational activities, therapy, famiy outings, etc. http://www.igive.com/EDM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Yes, called and they sent me the info. Unfortunately it's $500 for the 1 day. Way out of my budget right now. I could see if was 7 and still in diapers. Tanja > Hi Tanja, > Did you see this previous posting? > ******************************************************************** > > The Toilet Learning Clinic (TLC) > A Clinic For Families of Children with Developmental Disabilities > > The Toilet Learning Clinic (TLC) is a program offered by > Beaumont Hospital's Center for Human Development. It provides > training for children who have experienced difficulty learning to > use a toilet for urination. > At TLC, professionals use principles of applied behavior analysis > (ABA)to teach children how to " go potty " on the toilet. ABA has > repeatedly been shown to be effective for teaching new skills and > decreasing problem behaviors for children with developmental > disabilities. We utilize sophisticated monitors that immediately > alert us when children start to have an accident, as well as the > instant they begin to urinate in the toilet > > TLC is a 7-hour, structured clinic offered on Fridays. A Behavioral > Psychologist works individually with you and your child to implement > effective techniques for toilet training your child. At the > conclusion of this concentrated day of toilet training, you and your > child will be able to transition these newly acquired toileting > skills from TLC to your home. In the event that problems arise, your > TLC Psychologist is available to you by phone throughout the two > days following your visit to TLC. Follow up consultation > appointments can also be arranged if > necessary. > > If you are interested in gaining more information about TLC please > contact The Center for Human Development at 248 691-4744. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Yes, called and they sent me the info. Unfortunately it's $500 for the 1 day. Way out of my budget right now. I could see if was 7 and still in diapers. Tanja > Hi Tanja, > Did you see this previous posting? > ******************************************************************** > > The Toilet Learning Clinic (TLC) > A Clinic For Families of Children with Developmental Disabilities > > The Toilet Learning Clinic (TLC) is a program offered by > Beaumont Hospital's Center for Human Development. It provides > training for children who have experienced difficulty learning to > use a toilet for urination. > At TLC, professionals use principles of applied behavior analysis > (ABA)to teach children how to " go potty " on the toilet. ABA has > repeatedly been shown to be effective for teaching new skills and > decreasing problem behaviors for children with developmental > disabilities. We utilize sophisticated monitors that immediately > alert us when children start to have an accident, as well as the > instant they begin to urinate in the toilet > > TLC is a 7-hour, structured clinic offered on Fridays. A Behavioral > Psychologist works individually with you and your child to implement > effective techniques for toilet training your child. At the > conclusion of this concentrated day of toilet training, you and your > child will be able to transition these newly acquired toileting > skills from TLC to your home. In the event that problems arise, your > TLC Psychologist is available to you by phone throughout the two > days following your visit to TLC. Follow up consultation > appointments can also be arranged if > necessary. > > If you are interested in gaining more information about TLC please > contact The Center for Human Development at 248 691-4744. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 That is way too much money, maybe they could do an all day seminar and charge a group rate. I know Building Blocks did something like this and charged 25.00 for a 2hour workshop which I thought was pretty informative. I attended it even though I had been through Hope and was familar with ABA principles because I think a little bit here and there from everyone helps. Lynda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Tanja I also believe you have to know when it is the right time for you and her. I probably could have pushed sooner....but I was not ready! I wonder too when he cries about certain things, if he is really really that sad or that scared. It's so hard to push these kids, but its amazing to see the progress!! Lynda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 wow- that's too bad about Bmnt. I never heard the price before. was trained basically with a picture schedule on the wall and him following the steps. We put him on the potty on a constant schedule and rewarded him whenever he went. I was advised by his preschool teacher last year to put kids in underwear and then a pullup over it so that they would feel uncomfortable in wet clothes but would not mess the house up. Some kids may not care about feeling messy but many do. The best thing was when he watched a little friend of his peeing standing up! and he thought that was so cool so he tried that too and from then on liked going that way since it didn't take so much time. We had him on a " happy face " chart system for a long time too where he would earn happy faces for going on the potty and check marks if he had accidents. This worked pretty well since he liked getting the rewards; we gradually phased out the reinforcers. He still needs to be reminded every so often to go to the bathroom when he does his " wiggle dance " but overall is trained (we're still working on night-time though- still having accidents occasionally during the night). Oh we also borrowed the Judy Coucovanis method of charting in the very beginning for a week to get a baseline of when he typically had wet diapers (how long after eating, etc.) then would put him on the toilet at roughly those times. That seemed to work too since we were being proactive. I really think that a good behavioral approach works best; too bad Beaumont is so pricey! Good luck...this is not one of the more fun parenting chores, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 If you decide to push the potty issue, try to get the school on-board with you. It helps when everyone is on the same page. I believe there are a lot of sensory issues involved, too. Lynn > Hello everyone. We have been trying to potty train (4.5 years > old) unsuccessfully. She can hold pee longer than anyone I know!!! > (We have her go bottomless so she doesn't use the underware as a > diaper). After 2.5 hours she asks for a " diapert " , so we put her on > the potty (with underware on -- she wont pee naked!!) and she is > okay, but usually wont go. Once off and we take the underware off > again, she cries " diapert? diapert? diapert? " It is the saddest > thing I have heard!! It is such a pitiful cry. Like she doesn't > understand why after peeing in a diaper for 4.5 years it is now > wrong and she can't go in a toilet. > > The Momma side of me wants to shelve potty training for a while. My > baby is upset that she has to do this, so let's stop it. However, > one side of me says we have to be persistent and keep pushing her > boundaries or she will never go in the toilet. She will always do > what is comfortable for her and no more (as most or all autistics > do). > > I would like your opinions on what you would do if this was your > child. Perhaps from those of you who have been through this > already, or are going through this. Thanks a bunch! > > Tanja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 When I was potty training my son , going poop on potty was the problem. So I cut a hole in the diaperso it could fall out. When got off the potty we jumped up and down, had a celebration. He thought I was nuts, but it helped. I dont know how much it will help with being a girl and all but worth the shot. Opinions wanted . . . >Hello everyone. We have been trying to potty train (4.5 years >old) unsuccessfully. She can hold pee longer than anyone I know!!! >(We have her go bottomless so she doesn't use the underware as a >diaper). After 2.5 hours she asks for a " diapert " , so we put her on >the potty (with underware on -- she wont pee naked!!) and she is >okay, but usually wont go. Once off and we take the underware off >again, she cries " diapert? diapert? diapert? " It is the saddest >thing I have heard!! It is such a pitiful cry. Like she doesn't >understand why after peeing in a diaper for 4.5 years it is now >wrong and she can't go in a toilet. > >The Momma side of me wants to shelve potty training for a while. My >baby is upset that she has to do this, so let's stop it. However, >one side of me says we have to be persistent and keep pushing her >boundaries or she will never go in the toilet. She will always do >what is comfortable for her and no more (as most or all autistics >do). > >I would like your opinions on what you would do if this was your >child. Perhaps from those of you who have been through this >already, or are going through this. Thanks a bunch! > >Tanja > > > >Support Everyday Miracles by shopping online at IGIVE.COM, where a portion of every purchase is donated to this support network. Proceeds received will be used for a variety of functions, such as educational activities, therapy, famiy outings, etc. http://www.igive.com/EDM > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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