Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 Hello all. I just received the test results. We have been giving my son (9yo, autism) ALA 20mg, round 50, 3 on/4 off, the basic supplements. All metals are in the green, Bismuth is touching yellow. He met one of the hair counting rules. I don't know if I need to post the fecal metals test the same as the hair element test. Is this test informative, doesn't look like metals are coming out. No question here, just looking for comments. Tina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Jeni, I would recomend looking at Dana's site for metal sources. Cadmium can come from exposure to cigarette smoke, and living near a coal fired power plant (most of us do), NiCad batteries, electroplating, as well as some paints. Also, eating shellfish, liver, kidney, coffee and freshwater fish. (I know not likey that the food sources would be applicable to her). Nickel comes from stainles steel. Do you use stainless steel pans? It is also found in mercury fillings. Thallium sources: Consumption of fruits and vegetables grown in contaminated soil, use of tobacco products, fish and shellfish. You may need to feed her organics only. I am not sure of where you live but it could be that the produce is grown in bad soil. Is she or has she previously been around anyone smoking?? The anchor hocking glass dishes are glass not ceramic right. If they are clear colored glass this is fine. Thallium she will not get from watching tv or using the computer. She would have to be touching the circuit boards inside. As for fly ash: It is a by product of power plants that burn coal. See this link: http://www.flyash.com/flyashenvironment.asp It is added to many products including concrete and, wallboard, mortars, stuccos, blocks, bricks, shingles, paints and a variety of other building materials. They are also used to stabilize soils or wastes, and can be used as structural fill or road base materials. They're even used by peanut farmers to improve their crop yields. By organic, has there been any remodeling or construction going on near you? You may not figure out the source of fly ash as I am sure all of us excrete this. But you can reduce the cadmium,thallium. While this test results is worrisome to you, take some comfort that all the junk is comming out. > > I just got the results of my oldest daughter's first fecal metal > test. It was breathtaking to say the least! I tried not to vomit > when I saw all the crap that came out of her. > > Her nickel and thallium levels were so high that the chart didn't > reach that far. And cadmium was very close to the red too. We > pulled lead in the yellow. And mercury and copper were nearly in the > yellow. All the others were mid to high green. > > Anyway, I am trying to figure out where we are getting thallium, > nickel, and cadmium from. > > My test interpretation mentions that nickel can be used in pigments > for glass. Two days ago I just replaced my entire dish set with blue > Anchor Hocking glass dishes, etc due to recent posts here about > Anchor Hocking being safe. But now I am wondering since I got a > colored set, is this a problem? Does anyone know if this is safe? > > The probable sources for thallium that my test reveals are a little > vague or I just plain don't know what they are. What would be > the " electronic components " that carry thallium? Does this mean she > can get this metal from watching the TV or playing on the computer? > She is not an engineer, so it isn't like she is installing electrical > wiring in our home or something. What else would this relate to? > Another thing it lists is " fly ash. " What is that? Is that from > dead flies in the house or something? Or does it refer to something > like a dirty fireplace? Are there other sources that a 6 year old > would commonly be exposed to that I am missing here? > > And my test gives no sources for cadmium since this was only a yellow > color. But it was almost red, so I am concerned. Where should I > look for cadmium? > > Jeni Lynn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Dear Jan, Thank you once again for answering my post. I will have a look at Dana's site as you recommend. Cadmium > can come from exposure to cigarette smoke, and living near a coal > fired power plant (most of us do), NiCad batteries, electroplating, > as well as some paints. Also, eating shellfish, liver, kidney, > coffee and freshwater fish. (I know not likey that the food sources > would be applicable to her). > Nickel comes from stainles steel. Do you use stainless steel pans? > It is also found in mercury fillings. She is not exposed to cigarette smoke ever. We don't smoke and no one in our family does either. And we don't have friends that we see regularly with this habit (in fact I can't think of any off the top of my head). If she got this from fish, it would have been over 9 months ago. I am not sure what electroplating is. She probably has inhaled a fair share of paint in her lifespan as we repainted almost every room in our old house during my pregnancy and her first years. I do cook with stainless steel, so this may be her main source. And she has no fillings. > Thallium sources: Consumption of fruits and vegetables grown in > contaminated soil, use of tobacco products, fish and shellfish. > > You may need to feed her organics only. I am not sure of where you > live but it could be that the produce is grown in bad soil. > Is she or has she previously been around anyone smoking?? We went organic 9 months ago, but she could be excreting what was on her food prior to that I guess. Same with fish. And again, no tobacco products. > The anchor hocking glass dishes are glass not ceramic right. If they > are clear colored glass this is fine. They are not the clear glass. Some are blue glass. Some are green. Do you happen to know if these would have nickel? My husband is going to be so ticked at me if they do! > Thallium she will not get from watching tv or using the computer. > She would have to be touching the circuit boards inside. This is very good news! > As for fly ash: It is a by product of power plants that burn coal. > See this link: http://www.flyash.com/flyashenvironment.asp > It is added to many products including concrete and, wallboard, > mortars, stuccos, blocks, bricks, shingles, paints and a variety of > other building materials. They are also used to stabilize soils or > wastes, and can be used as structural fill or road base materials. > They're even used by peanut farmers to improve their crop yields. > > By organic, has there been any remodeling or construction going on > near you? This could be a big clue for us. We did a lot of remodeling in our old home throughout her lifespan. One was the tearing down and rebuilding of our porch (which was probably painted in lead paint). This project included busting up concrete, using mortar, etc. > You may not figure out the source of fly ash as I am sure all of us > excrete this. But you can reduce the cadmium,thallium. While this > test results is worrisome to you, take some comfort that all the > junk is comming out. Thanks again! Jeni Lynn > > > > > I just got the results of my oldest daughter's first fecal metal > > test. It was breathtaking to say the least! I tried not to vomit > > when I saw all the crap that came out of her. > > > > Her nickel and thallium levels were so high that the chart didn't > > reach that far. And cadmium was very close to the red too. We > > pulled lead in the yellow. And mercury and copper were nearly in > the > > yellow. All the others were mid to high green. > > > > Anyway, I am trying to figure out where we are getting thallium, > > nickel, and cadmium from. > > > > My test interpretation mentions that nickel can be used in > pigments > > for glass. Two days ago I just replaced my entire dish set with > blue > > Anchor Hocking glass dishes, etc due to recent posts here about > > Anchor Hocking being safe. But now I am wondering since I got a > > colored set, is this a problem? Does anyone know if this is safe? > > > > The probable sources for thallium that my test reveals are a > little > > vague or I just plain don't know what they are. What would be > > the " electronic components " that carry thallium? Does this mean > she > > can get this metal from watching the TV or playing on the > computer? > > She is not an engineer, so it isn't like she is installing > electrical > > wiring in our home or something. What else would this relate to? > > Another thing it lists is " fly ash. " What is that? Is that from > > dead flies in the house or something? Or does it refer to > something > > like a dirty fireplace? Are there other sources that a 6 year old > > would commonly be exposed to that I am missing here? > > > > And my test gives no sources for cadmium since this was only a > yellow > > color. But it was almost red, so I am concerned. Where should I > > look for cadmium? > > > > Jeni Lynn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Colored glass dishes are fine. As longs as its glass and not porcelain, china, or ceramic. Dishes are not a source of nickel but those other types would be lead. So I think you are fine with the dishes. We use anchor hocking glassware. Your right that much of what she is dumping can be old exposures. Electroplating is used to make jewelry..the fake stuff that is look alike gold. I am sure it is used for other things as well. I forgot to ask about the water. She is on bottled I would guess. > > > > > > I just got the results of my oldest daughter's first fecal metal > > > test. It was breathtaking to say the least! I tried not to > vomit > > > when I saw all the crap that came out of her. > > > > > > Her nickel and thallium levels were so high that the chart didn't > > > reach that far. And cadmium was very close to the red too. We > > > pulled lead in the yellow. And mercury and copper were nearly in > > the > > > yellow. All the others were mid to high green. > > > > > > Anyway, I am trying to figure out where we are getting thallium, > > > nickel, and cadmium from. > > > > > > My test interpretation mentions that nickel can be used in > > pigments > > > for glass. Two days ago I just replaced my entire dish set with > > blue > > > Anchor Hocking glass dishes, etc due to recent posts here about > > > Anchor Hocking being safe. But now I am wondering since I got a > > > colored set, is this a problem? Does anyone know if this is safe? > > > > > > The probable sources for thallium that my test reveals are a > > little > > > vague or I just plain don't know what they are. What would be > > > the " electronic components " that carry thallium? Does this mean > > she > > > can get this metal from watching the TV or playing on the > > computer? > > > She is not an engineer, so it isn't like she is installing > > electrical > > > wiring in our home or something. What else would this relate to? > > > Another thing it lists is " fly ash. " What is that? Is that from > > > dead flies in the house or something? Or does it refer to > > something > > > like a dirty fireplace? Are there other sources that a 6 year > old > > > would commonly be exposed to that I am missing here? > > > > > > And my test gives no sources for cadmium since this was only a > > yellow > > > color. But it was almost red, so I am concerned. Where should I > > > look for cadmium? > > > > > > Jeni Lynn > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Jan, > Electroplating is used to make jewelry..the fake stuff that is look > alike gold. I am sure it is used for other things as well. I guess I will be going through the " costume closet " tonight and eliminating the accessories. Rats! She is not going to like that. > I forgot to ask about the water. She is on bottled I would guess. Yes, we have a filter in our kitchen. It is supposed to be a really good one (although it does not take out the flouride so I will eventually replace it with one that does). And we have a Wellness Water Filter on the shower. That went on the moment we found out my youngest had lead poisoning. Thank you again! Jeni Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Hi Jan, Thanks for your effort and time in sharing with us. Do you have Dana's website? I am a newbie in chelation and have not started any yet. Now looking for more information such as the do's and dont's before I start chelation on my son. Great information on biomed from this support group. Cheers Agnes On 10/4/06, Jan <paxlforme@...> wrote: > > Jeni, > I would recomend looking at Dana's site for metal sources. Cadmium > can come from exposure to cigarette smoke, and living near a coal > fired power plant (most of us do), NiCad batteries, electroplating, > as well as some paints. Also, eating shellfish, liver, kidney, > coffee and freshwater fish. (I know not likey that the food sources > would be applicable to her). > Nickel comes from stainles steel. Do you use stainless steel pans? > It is also found in mercury fillings. > > Thallium sources: Consumption of fruits and vegetables grown in > contaminated soil, use of tobacco products, fish and shellfish. > > You may need to feed her organics only. I am not sure of where you > live but it could be that the produce is grown in bad soil. > Is she or has she previously been around anyone smoking?? > > The anchor hocking glass dishes are glass not ceramic right. If they > are clear colored glass this is fine. > > Thallium she will not get from watching tv or using the computer. > She would have to be touching the circuit boards inside. > > As for fly ash: It is a by product of power plants that burn coal. > See this link: http://www.flyash.com/flyashenvironment.asp > It is added to many products including concrete and, wallboard, > mortars, stuccos, blocks, bricks, shingles, paints and a variety of > other building materials. They are also used to stabilize soils or > wastes, and can be used as structural fill or road base materials. > They're even used by peanut farmers to improve their crop yields. > > By organic, has there been any remodeling or construction going on > near you? > > You may not figure out the source of fly ash as I am sure all of us > excrete this. But you can reduce the cadmium,thallium. While this > test results is worrisome to you, take some comfort that all the > junk is comming out. > > > > > > I just got the results of my oldest daughter's first fecal metal > > test. It was breathtaking to say the least! I tried not to vomit > > when I saw all the crap that came out of her. > > > > Her nickel and thallium levels were so high that the chart didn't > > reach that far. And cadmium was very close to the red too. We > > pulled lead in the yellow. And mercury and copper were nearly in > the > > yellow. All the others were mid to high green. > > > > Anyway, I am trying to figure out where we are getting thallium, > > nickel, and cadmium from. > > > > My test interpretation mentions that nickel can be used in > pigments > > for glass. Two days ago I just replaced my entire dish set with > blue > > Anchor Hocking glass dishes, etc due to recent posts here about > > Anchor Hocking being safe. But now I am wondering since I got a > > colored set, is this a problem? Does anyone know if this is safe? > > > > The probable sources for thallium that my test reveals are a > little > > vague or I just plain don't know what they are. What would be > > the " electronic components " that carry thallium? Does this mean > she > > can get this metal from watching the TV or playing on the > computer? > > She is not an engineer, so it isn't like she is installing > electrical > > wiring in our home or something. What else would this relate to? > > Another thing it lists is " fly ash. " What is that? Is that from > > dead flies in the house or something? Or does it refer to > something > > like a dirty fireplace? Are there other sources that a 6 year old > > would commonly be exposed to that I am missing here? > > > > And my test gives no sources for cadmium since this was only a > yellow > > color. But it was almost red, so I am concerned. Where should I > > look for cadmium? > > > > Jeni Lynn > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 > Hi Jan, > Thanks for your effort and time in sharing with us. Do you have Dana's > website? Here is my chelation section http://www.danasview.net/parent3.htm#chelation Here is the page with metal info http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Hi Dana, Thanks! Cheers Agnes On 10/4/06, danasview <danasview@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Jan, > > Thanks for your effort and time in sharing with us. Do you have Dana's > > website? > > Here is my chelation section > > http://www.danasview.net/parent3.htm#chelation > > Here is the page with metal info > > http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm > > Dana > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 What is a fecal metal test and how does it differ in diagnosis from blood and hair? Blood shows recent exposure, isn't that correct? Is hair showing another way body is excreting metals? Fecal showing another avenue for excretion of metals? Is a challenging agent given first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 We did the fecal metal test to see what our child was excreting in response to a chelating agent. I have been told that ALA concetrates the metals that it " grabs " in the feces, so this is the best way to observe its effectiveness for this agent or products that contain this agent. Blood does show recent exposure. The hair test is helpful for learning if you are " toxic " or not. When you see that you are excreting abnormally high or abnormally low degrees of toxins and essential elements (zinc, calcium, lithium, etc.), you can conclude that you probably are toxic. There is reading in the files section of the site that explains this in more detail. Jeni Lynn > > What is a fecal metal test and how does it differ > in diagnosis from blood and hair? Blood shows > recent exposure, isn't that correct? Is hair > showing another way body is excreting metals? > Fecal showing another avenue for excretion of > metals? Is a challenging agent given first? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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