Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 hi geo, i'm taking lots of other supplements, including fish oil tablets [i read in several places this was good for brain health and is recommended for neuro patients], but not this one. what is the benefit supposed to be? sarah --- Geo conniegeo1@...> wrote: > Anyone tried Lipoic Acid . Vitamin Supplement . GEO > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Been using it for about 7 years after reading about its properties (especially useful for MS apparently) on Steve Shackel's website and other places. It is one of the half dozen or more things I started back then which have basically stopped my progression. Is it one of the ones that is helping? No idea but something is! :-) Geo wrote: > Anyone tried Lipoic Acid . Vitamin Supplement . GEO Every day I beat my own previous record for number of consecutive days I've stayed alive. . ,-._|\ Covington / Oz \ \_,--.x/ v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Hi Sara > Alpha Lipoic Acid is a Antioxident .To understand what antioxident is . Take an apple out of the frig and slice it into small slices ,now leave some out on the counter and put some in a sealed baggy and put back in the frig ,The next day look at the ones on the counter ,They are problably brown and limp ,the ones in the baggy are nice and crisp . this is what happens to cells in our bodies called Oxidative Stress .Oxygen which is essential to life is killing our cells . which in turn affects our health .The Mitochondia are destroyed . www.agelessrx.com read about it . Im game for anything pretty much . If we dont take charge of our health we cant expect anyone else to . although it does make Urine smell bad ,dont know why ? GEO > hi geo, > > i'm taking lots of other supplements, including fish > oil tablets [i read in several places this was good > for brain health and is recommended for neuro > patients], but not this one. what is the benefit > supposed to be? > sarah > --- Geo wrote: > > > Anyone tried Lipoic Acid . Vitamin Supplement . GEO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Im glad to hear that ,it makes me more confident about taking it . Thanks GEO > > Been using it for about 7 years after reading about its properties > (especially useful for MS apparently) on Steve Shackel's website and > other places. It is one of the half dozen or more things I started back > then which have basically stopped my progression. Is it one of the ones > that is helping? No idea but something is! :-) > > Geo wrote: > > > Anyone tried Lipoic Acid . Vitamin Supplement . GEO > > > Every day I beat my own previous record for number of consecutive days I've stayed alive. > . > ,-._|\ Covington > / Oz \ > \_,--.x/ > v > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 thanks geo. do you get yours at a health food store or order it online? i read some more about it like you suggested and it seems worth trying. thanks again for additional info. sarah > > > > > Anyone tried Lipoic Acid . Vitamin Supplement . GEO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 hi gary, hope i'm not being too nosey but what other supplements are you taking? i've been doing lots of reading in an attempt to figure out which ones besides fish oil, multi vitamin, and, as you and geo mentioned, alpha linoic acid, would be most beneficial for people w/PLS. so i am very interested to find out what other folks are doing in this area. the nutritionist at the neuro clinic where i go is really nice and gave me a terrific suggestion about how to get more protein in (she said to double my intake of protein, whic h has helped my energy level a lot and kept me from losing any more weight) but doesn't seem to be that knowledgeable about supplements. i'm w/geo; i'm game to try things. though i have NO plans of turning in my baclofen, as one of my " crunchier " friends suggested. that's easy to say when you don't have to worry about being so stiff your legs won't move and you wipe out !!! (just a little gallows humor;-) sarah > > > Anyone tried Lipoic Acid . Vitamin Supplement . GEO > > > Every day I beat my own previous record for number of consecutive days I've stayed alive. > . > ,-._|\ Covington > / Oz \ > \_,--.x/ > v > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 > > > > > Anyone tried Lipoic Acid . Vitamin Supplement . GEO > > > > > > Every day I beat my own previous record for number of consecutive > days I've stayed alive. > > . > > ,-._|\ Covington > > / Oz \ > > \_,--.x/ > > v > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 This time i went to GNC here locally .Dont know if i find cheaper somewhere else or not ? dont want to offend anyone but it makes the urine smell not good so if you wandered . Problably is any excess that the body throws off? GEO > > thanks geo. do you get yours at a health food store or order it > online? i read some more about it like you suggested and it seems > worth trying. > > thanks again for additional info. > > sarah > > > > > > > > > Anyone tried Lipoic Acid . Vitamin Supplement . GEO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 This time i went to GNC here locally .Dont know if i find cheaper somewhere else or not ? dont want to offend anyone but it makes the urine smell not good so if you wandered . Problably is any excess that the body throws off? GEO > > thanks geo. do you get yours at a health food store or order it > online? i read some more about it like you suggested and it seems > worth trying. > > thanks again for additional info. > > sarah > > > > > > > > > Anyone tried Lipoic Acid . Vitamin Supplement . GEO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 This time i went to GNC here locally .Dont know if i find cheaper somewhere else or not ? dont want to offend anyone but it makes the urine smell not good so if you wandered . Problably is any excess that the body throws off? GEO > > thanks geo. do you get yours at a health food store or order it > online? i read some more about it like you suggested and it seems > worth trying. > > thanks again for additional info. > > sarah > > > > > > > > > Anyone tried Lipoic Acid . Vitamin Supplement . GEO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Hey Sara I was told LDN is not for spasms what do you take it for ? GEO > > > > > > > > > Anyone tried Lipoic Acid . Vitamin Supplement . GEO > > > > > > > > > Every day I beat my own previous record for number of > consecutive > > days I've stayed alive. > > > . > > > ,-._|\ Covington > > > / Oz \ > > > \_,--.x/ > > > v > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 hey geo, sorry to be thick--what is LDN? my prescription meds are baclofen for spasticity and zoloft for depression; then the fish oil for the essential fatty acids, whicch are supposedly good for brain health, the multivitamin, and extra cal/mag/zinc to help w/muscle cramps. then do protein shakes and am going to look into john b's suggestion re:getting ensure (thanks for that, john). sarah > > > > > > > > > Anyone tried Lipoic Acid . Vitamin Supplement . GEO > > > > > > > > > > > > Every day I beat my own previous record for number of > > consecutive > > > days I've stayed alive. > > > > . > > > > ,-._|\ Covington > > > > / Oz \ > > > > \_,--.x/ > > > > v > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Hi , No problem at all. I have been taking much the same for probably about 8 years now, though initially only one tablet/capsule of most per day but at one time I got a double delivery so started on two of a number of them and have kept it up since then (probably 4 years now). However, even the single dose of most caused my progression to stop within about 6 months of starting on them all, so my progression has been effectively halted (or very, very slow now) for about 7.5 years after I went downhill rapidly for the first 5 years. What I take is: NAC (n-acetyl-cysteine) 2 x 500mg alpha lipoic acid 2 x 100mg CoQ10 2 x 30mg Vit E (mixed tocopherol - apparently better for us than just the normal d-alpha form) 2 x 1000 IU Vit C & E with grape seed extract 1 x ?? (local product) Vit B 1 multi-B tablet Fish oil/EPA 2 x 1000mg for 3 years or so regularly (took from time to time before that). I also take 4 Liv-Pro (St 's thistle) tablets as a liver cleanser as some things I read implicated the liver in PLS/ALS - figured it can't hurt to take it. The particular ones I take are a local product but St 's thistle products are available everywhere. Every month or two I used to have a Vit B12 injection (my wife learnt how to give them to me - simple) but now I just take a sublingual (under the tongue) B12 dissolvable tablet every few weeks or month. My approach has always been to use a variety of antioxidants (hopefully) working synergistically together rather than putting my faith in mega doses of just one or two. Seems to be working......... :-) srwitt wrote: > hi gary, > > hope i'm not being too nosey but what other supplements are you > taking? i've been doing lots of reading in an attempt to figure out > which ones besides fish oil, multi vitamin, and, as you and geo > mentioned, alpha linoic acid, would be most beneficial for people > w/PLS. so i am very interested to find out what other folks are > doing in this area. > > the nutritionist at the neuro clinic where i go is really nice and > gave me a terrific suggestion about how to get more protein in (she > said to double my intake of protein, whic h has helped my energy > level a lot and kept me from losing any more weight) but doesn't > seem to be that knowledgeable about supplements. i'm w/geo; i'm game > to try things. though i have NO plans of turning in my baclofen, as > one of my " crunchier " friends suggested. that's easy to say when you > don't have to worry about being so stiff your legs won't move and > you wipe out !!! (just a little gallows humor;-) > > sarah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Hi , No problem at all. I have been taking much the same for probably about 8 years now, though initially only one tablet/capsule of most per day but at one time I got a double delivery so started on two of a number of them and have kept it up since then (probably 4 years now). However, even the single dose of most caused my progression to stop within about 6 months of starting on them all, so my progression has been effectively halted (or very, very slow now) for about 7.5 years after I went downhill rapidly for the first 5 years. What I take is: NAC (n-acetyl-cysteine) 2 x 500mg alpha lipoic acid 2 x 100mg CoQ10 2 x 30mg Vit E (mixed tocopherol - apparently better for us than just the normal d-alpha form) 2 x 1000 IU Vit C & E with grape seed extract 1 x ?? (local product) Vit B 1 multi-B tablet Fish oil/EPA 2 x 1000mg for 3 years or so regularly (took from time to time before that). I also take 4 Liv-Pro (St 's thistle) tablets as a liver cleanser as some things I read implicated the liver in PLS/ALS - figured it can't hurt to take it. The particular ones I take are a local product but St 's thistle products are available everywhere. Every month or two I used to have a Vit B12 injection (my wife learnt how to give them to me - simple) but now I just take a sublingual (under the tongue) B12 dissolvable tablet every few weeks or month. My approach has always been to use a variety of antioxidants (hopefully) working synergistically together rather than putting my faith in mega doses of just one or two. Seems to be working......... :-) srwitt wrote: > hi gary, > > hope i'm not being too nosey but what other supplements are you > taking? i've been doing lots of reading in an attempt to figure out > which ones besides fish oil, multi vitamin, and, as you and geo > mentioned, alpha linoic acid, would be most beneficial for people > w/PLS. so i am very interested to find out what other folks are > doing in this area. > > the nutritionist at the neuro clinic where i go is really nice and > gave me a terrific suggestion about how to get more protein in (she > said to double my intake of protein, whic h has helped my energy > level a lot and kept me from losing any more weight) but doesn't > seem to be that knowledgeable about supplements. i'm w/geo; i'm game > to try things. though i have NO plans of turning in my baclofen, as > one of my " crunchier " friends suggested. that's easy to say when you > don't have to worry about being so stiff your legs won't move and > you wipe out !!! (just a little gallows humor;-) > > sarah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Hi , No problem at all. I have been taking much the same for probably about 8 years now, though initially only one tablet/capsule of most per day but at one time I got a double delivery so started on two of a number of them and have kept it up since then (probably 4 years now). However, even the single dose of most caused my progression to stop within about 6 months of starting on them all, so my progression has been effectively halted (or very, very slow now) for about 7.5 years after I went downhill rapidly for the first 5 years. What I take is: NAC (n-acetyl-cysteine) 2 x 500mg alpha lipoic acid 2 x 100mg CoQ10 2 x 30mg Vit E (mixed tocopherol - apparently better for us than just the normal d-alpha form) 2 x 1000 IU Vit C & E with grape seed extract 1 x ?? (local product) Vit B 1 multi-B tablet Fish oil/EPA 2 x 1000mg for 3 years or so regularly (took from time to time before that). I also take 4 Liv-Pro (St 's thistle) tablets as a liver cleanser as some things I read implicated the liver in PLS/ALS - figured it can't hurt to take it. The particular ones I take are a local product but St 's thistle products are available everywhere. Every month or two I used to have a Vit B12 injection (my wife learnt how to give them to me - simple) but now I just take a sublingual (under the tongue) B12 dissolvable tablet every few weeks or month. My approach has always been to use a variety of antioxidants (hopefully) working synergistically together rather than putting my faith in mega doses of just one or two. Seems to be working......... :-) srwitt wrote: > hi gary, > > hope i'm not being too nosey but what other supplements are you > taking? i've been doing lots of reading in an attempt to figure out > which ones besides fish oil, multi vitamin, and, as you and geo > mentioned, alpha linoic acid, would be most beneficial for people > w/PLS. so i am very interested to find out what other folks are > doing in this area. > > the nutritionist at the neuro clinic where i go is really nice and > gave me a terrific suggestion about how to get more protein in (she > said to double my intake of protein, whic h has helped my energy > level a lot and kept me from losing any more weight) but doesn't > seem to be that knowledgeable about supplements. i'm w/geo; i'm game > to try things. though i have NO plans of turning in my baclofen, as > one of my " crunchier " friends suggested. that's easy to say when you > don't have to worry about being so stiff your legs won't move and > you wipe out !!! (just a little gallows humor;-) > > sarah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 thanks gary!!! this is very helpful. i was always very adamant about taking multi w/iron, vit B, vit E, vit C before i started having symptoms. then i got completely freaked out and stopped taking everything. once i started taking my multi again and doing the extra protein i've definitely had more energy, and just started the fish oil in nov. after reading lots about it. anyway, thanks again for all the information. sarah --- C covo@...> wrote: > Hi , > > No problem at all. I have been taking much the same > for probably about > 8 years now, though initially only one > tablet/capsule of most per day > but at one time I got a double delivery so started > on two of a number of > them and have kept it up since then (probably 4 > years now). However, > even the single dose of most caused my progression > to stop within about > 6 months of starting on them all, so my progression > has been effectively > halted (or very, very slow now) for about 7.5 years > after I went > downhill rapidly for the first 5 years. > > What I take is: > > NAC (n-acetyl-cysteine) 2 x 500mg > alpha lipoic acid 2 x 100mg > CoQ10 2 x 30mg > Vit E (mixed tocopherol - apparently better for us > than just the normal > d-alpha form) 2 x 1000 IU > Vit C & E with grape seed extract 1 x ?? (local > product) > Vit B 1 multi-B tablet > Fish oil/EPA 2 x 1000mg for 3 years or so regularly > (took from time to > time before that). > > I also take 4 Liv-Pro (St 's thistle) tablets as > a liver cleanser as > some things I read implicated the liver in PLS/ALS - > figured it can't > hurt to take it. The particular ones I take are a > local product but St > 's thistle products are available everywhere. > Every month or two I > used to have a Vit B12 injection (my wife learnt how > to give them to me > - simple) but now I just take a sublingual (under > the tongue) B12 > dissolvable tablet every few weeks or month. My > approach has always > been to use a variety of antioxidants (hopefully) > working > synergistically together rather than putting my > faith in mega doses of > just one or two. Seems to be working......... :-) > > > > srwitt wrote: > > > hi gary, > > > > hope i'm not being too nosey but what other > supplements are you > > taking? i've been doing lots of reading in an > attempt to figure out > > which ones besides fish oil, multi vitamin, and, > as you and geo > > mentioned, alpha linoic acid, would be most > beneficial for people > > w/PLS. so i am very interested to find out what > other folks are > > doing in this area. > > > > the nutritionist at the neuro clinic where i go is > really nice and > > gave me a terrific suggestion about how to get > more protein in (she > > said to double my intake of protein, whic h has > helped my energy > > level a lot and kept me from losing any more > weight) but doesn't > > seem to be that knowledgeable about supplements. > i'm w/geo; i'm game > > to try things. though i have NO plans of turning > in my baclofen, as > > one of my " crunchier " friends suggested. that's > easy to say when you > > don't have to worry about being so stiff your legs > won't move and > > you wipe out !!! (just a little gallows humor;-) > > > > sarah > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 thanks gary!!! this is very helpful. i was always very adamant about taking multi w/iron, vit B, vit E, vit C before i started having symptoms. then i got completely freaked out and stopped taking everything. once i started taking my multi again and doing the extra protein i've definitely had more energy, and just started the fish oil in nov. after reading lots about it. anyway, thanks again for all the information. sarah --- C covo@...> wrote: > Hi , > > No problem at all. I have been taking much the same > for probably about > 8 years now, though initially only one > tablet/capsule of most per day > but at one time I got a double delivery so started > on two of a number of > them and have kept it up since then (probably 4 > years now). However, > even the single dose of most caused my progression > to stop within about > 6 months of starting on them all, so my progression > has been effectively > halted (or very, very slow now) for about 7.5 years > after I went > downhill rapidly for the first 5 years. > > What I take is: > > NAC (n-acetyl-cysteine) 2 x 500mg > alpha lipoic acid 2 x 100mg > CoQ10 2 x 30mg > Vit E (mixed tocopherol - apparently better for us > than just the normal > d-alpha form) 2 x 1000 IU > Vit C & E with grape seed extract 1 x ?? (local > product) > Vit B 1 multi-B tablet > Fish oil/EPA 2 x 1000mg for 3 years or so regularly > (took from time to > time before that). > > I also take 4 Liv-Pro (St 's thistle) tablets as > a liver cleanser as > some things I read implicated the liver in PLS/ALS - > figured it can't > hurt to take it. The particular ones I take are a > local product but St > 's thistle products are available everywhere. > Every month or two I > used to have a Vit B12 injection (my wife learnt how > to give them to me > - simple) but now I just take a sublingual (under > the tongue) B12 > dissolvable tablet every few weeks or month. My > approach has always > been to use a variety of antioxidants (hopefully) > working > synergistically together rather than putting my > faith in mega doses of > just one or two. Seems to be working......... :-) > > > > srwitt wrote: > > > hi gary, > > > > hope i'm not being too nosey but what other > supplements are you > > taking? i've been doing lots of reading in an > attempt to figure out > > which ones besides fish oil, multi vitamin, and, > as you and geo > > mentioned, alpha linoic acid, would be most > beneficial for people > > w/PLS. so i am very interested to find out what > other folks are > > doing in this area. > > > > the nutritionist at the neuro clinic where i go is > really nice and > > gave me a terrific suggestion about how to get > more protein in (she > > said to double my intake of protein, whic h has > helped my energy > > level a lot and kept me from losing any more > weight) but doesn't > > seem to be that knowledgeable about supplements. > i'm w/geo; i'm game > > to try things. though i have NO plans of turning > in my baclofen, as > > one of my " crunchier " friends suggested. that's > easy to say when you > > don't have to worry about being so stiff your legs > won't move and > > you wipe out !!! (just a little gallows humor;-) > > > > sarah > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 thanks gary!!! this is very helpful. i was always very adamant about taking multi w/iron, vit B, vit E, vit C before i started having symptoms. then i got completely freaked out and stopped taking everything. once i started taking my multi again and doing the extra protein i've definitely had more energy, and just started the fish oil in nov. after reading lots about it. anyway, thanks again for all the information. sarah --- C covo@...> wrote: > Hi , > > No problem at all. I have been taking much the same > for probably about > 8 years now, though initially only one > tablet/capsule of most per day > but at one time I got a double delivery so started > on two of a number of > them and have kept it up since then (probably 4 > years now). However, > even the single dose of most caused my progression > to stop within about > 6 months of starting on them all, so my progression > has been effectively > halted (or very, very slow now) for about 7.5 years > after I went > downhill rapidly for the first 5 years. > > What I take is: > > NAC (n-acetyl-cysteine) 2 x 500mg > alpha lipoic acid 2 x 100mg > CoQ10 2 x 30mg > Vit E (mixed tocopherol - apparently better for us > than just the normal > d-alpha form) 2 x 1000 IU > Vit C & E with grape seed extract 1 x ?? (local > product) > Vit B 1 multi-B tablet > Fish oil/EPA 2 x 1000mg for 3 years or so regularly > (took from time to > time before that). > > I also take 4 Liv-Pro (St 's thistle) tablets as > a liver cleanser as > some things I read implicated the liver in PLS/ALS - > figured it can't > hurt to take it. The particular ones I take are a > local product but St > 's thistle products are available everywhere. > Every month or two I > used to have a Vit B12 injection (my wife learnt how > to give them to me > - simple) but now I just take a sublingual (under > the tongue) B12 > dissolvable tablet every few weeks or month. My > approach has always > been to use a variety of antioxidants (hopefully) > working > synergistically together rather than putting my > faith in mega doses of > just one or two. Seems to be working......... :-) > > > > srwitt wrote: > > > hi gary, > > > > hope i'm not being too nosey but what other > supplements are you > > taking? i've been doing lots of reading in an > attempt to figure out > > which ones besides fish oil, multi vitamin, and, > as you and geo > > mentioned, alpha linoic acid, would be most > beneficial for people > > w/PLS. so i am very interested to find out what > other folks are > > doing in this area. > > > > the nutritionist at the neuro clinic where i go is > really nice and > > gave me a terrific suggestion about how to get > more protein in (she > > said to double my intake of protein, whic h has > helped my energy > > level a lot and kept me from losing any more > weight) but doesn't > > seem to be that knowledgeable about supplements. > i'm w/geo; i'm game > > to try things. though i have NO plans of turning > in my baclofen, as > > one of my " crunchier " friends suggested. that's > easy to say when you > > don't have to worry about being so stiff your legs > won't move and > > you wipe out !!! (just a little gallows humor;-) > > > > sarah > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Just remember when you double your protein intake you need to increase your water intake so you don't put too much strain on your kidneys. Danny srwitt srwitt@...> wrote: hi gary, hope i'm not being too nosey but what other supplements are you taking? i've been doing lots of reading in an attempt to figure out which ones besides fish oil, multi vitamin, and, as you and geo mentioned, alpha linoic acid, would be most beneficial for people w/PLS. so i am very interested to find out what other folks are doing in this area. the nutritionist at the neuro clinic where i go is really nice and gave me a terrific suggestion about how to get more protein in (she said to double my intake of protein, whic h has helped my energy level a lot and kept me from losing any more weight) but doesn't seem to be that knowledgeable about supplements. i'm w/geo; i'm game to try things. though i have NO plans of turning in my baclofen, as one of my " crunchier " friends suggested. that's easy to say when you don't have to worry about being so stiff your legs won't move and you wipe out !!! (just a little gallows humor;-) sarah > > > Anyone tried Lipoic Acid . Vitamin Supplement . GEO > > > Every day I beat my own previous record for number of consecutive days I've stayed alive. > . > ,-._|\ Covington > / Oz \ > \_,--.x/ > v > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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