Re: *Re: question re when to introduce ALA

[Guest guest]

2 questions Ihave been wanting toask:

1) Everytime one quits a round of ALA , there is redistribtution occurring,

right?

2) When I dod DMSA/ALA, during the day, I put small ammounts under my tongue

as frequently as every hour, but then at night time I obviously slow down. I

set the alarm clock for every two hours, but sometimes I simply DO NOT wake

up until 4 hours later...so I take it then.

Anyway, 2hours or 4 hours apart, at night, I am still getting a much smaller

ammount than I get during my waking hours when I take it muchmore

frequently. Ithink you can see what I am getting at: I am not getting as

much at night as during the day and want to know if this is going to cause

problems.

Thanks

Inga

on 11/11/04 12:11 AM, andrewhallcutler at AndyCutler@... wrote:

>

>

>> Hi,

>> I'm fairly new to this group and need some clarification. Just got

>> Andy's book, and am a bit confused about a few things.

>>

>> 1) Why do you recommend to start DMSA (or DMPS) for a week on-week

>> off or 10 days on 4 days off schedule in the beginning?

>

> 1. Make sure the body is cleared some,

>

> 2. It has almost always been used this way, I didn't feel like acting

> like an alternative doctor and just pulling the whole protocol out of

> my hat, I tried to make as much of it as possible stick to existing

> things that had been done with a lot of people for a long time.

>

>> How long do

>> you stay on this schedule?

>

> If amalgams have just been removed, 3 months.

>

> If there are no amalgams (typical in children) until progress is slow

> or 3 months, whichever is first. It is OK to just do it once or twice

> then use ALA if you wish.

>

>> 2) When is it safe to begin lipoic acid?

>

> When progress is slowing down or 3 months have passed, whichever comes

> first.

>

>> What is the ideal dosing schedule for DMSA +lioic acid?

>

> Every 15 minutes, but nobody could possibly do that and not go insane

> so I suggest the compromize of every 3 hours when possible (mostly

> daytime) and 4 when not (during the parents' sleep period). This seems

> to work pretty well for most people.

>

>> 3) We originally did a urine challenge test. Should we switch to hair

>> tests to monitor results, or continue with urine tests for continuity?

>

> Neither. Testing is irrelevant to monitor progress. Keep chelating

> until there are no residual problems and no further improvement with

> chelation. The tests will look normal long before the kid does.

>

>> Brief background:

>> We've been chelating my little boy (7 yr old) with DMSA only, 3 days

>> on, 11 days off (6 cycles so far). Really good results, but have

>> noted some increased hyperactivity several days following each 3-day

>> DMSA cycle. Will switch to every 4 hour schedule next cycle, as it

>> makes more sense.

>

> Increased hyperactivity following an 8 hour cycle means you were quite

> lucky to not have anything worse. See how 4 hours does.

>

>> We originally did a DMSA challenge test (Doctors Data Lab) which came

>> back with extremely elevated lead and mercury (Lead was even higher

>> than mercury. All others within normal range). How often should one

>> retest metals?

>

> Never.

>

> Lots of people do it anyway. It is really easy to get confused when

> you do that.

>

> Hair tests are cheaper, easier, and hvae more information than urine

> tests, so if you just HAVE to do this, consider using a hair test.

>

>> I really want to start the lipoic acid as soon as it's safe to do so,

>

> now.

>

>> but am not quite clear on when that is.

>

> Now.

>

>> Since we didn't do a longer

>> DMSA cycle at the beginning of treatments, do we do it now, or just

>> continue on with our 3 days on, 11 days off.

>

> Just stick with 3/11

>

>> The more I learn the

>> less I think I know anything!!!

>

> That is how true scholarship works.

>

>> Thanks for the input. I'm learning a lot form this group!

>> Anne J.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

I take a higher dose (double) at night.

Dagmar.

Re: [ ] *Re: question re when to introduce ALA

2 questions Ihave been wanting toask:

1) Everytime one quits a round of ALA , there is redistribtution occurring,

right?

2) When I dod DMSA/ALA, during the day, I put small ammounts under my tongue

as frequently as every hour, but then at night time I obviously slow down. I

set the alarm clock for every two hours, but sometimes I simply DO NOT wake

up until 4 hours later...so I take it then.

Anyway, 2hours or 4 hours apart, at night, I am still getting a much smaller

ammount than I get during my waking hours when I take it muchmore

frequently. Ithink you can see what I am getting at: I am not getting as

much at night as during the day and want to know if this is going to cause

problems.

Thanks

Inga

on 11/11/04 12:11 AM, andrewhallcutler at AndyCutler@... wrote:

>

>

>> Hi,

>> I'm fairly new to this group and need some clarification. Just got

>> Andy's book, and am a bit confused about a few things.

>>

>> 1) Why do you recommend to start DMSA (or DMPS) for a week on-week

>> off or 10 days on 4 days off schedule in the beginning?

>

> 1. Make sure the body is cleared some,

>

> 2. It has almost always been used this way, I didn't feel like acting

> like an alternative doctor and just pulling the whole protocol out of

> my hat, I tried to make as much of it as possible stick to existing

> things that had been done with a lot of people for a long time.

>

>> How long do

>> you stay on this schedule?

>

> If amalgams have just been removed, 3 months.

>

> If there are no amalgams (typical in children) until progress is slow

> or 3 months, whichever is first. It is OK to just do it once or twice

> then use ALA if you wish.

>

>> 2) When is it safe to begin lipoic acid?

>

> When progress is slowing down or 3 months have passed, whichever comes

> first.

>

>> What is the ideal dosing schedule for DMSA +lioic acid?

>

> Every 15 minutes, but nobody could possibly do that and not go insane

> so I suggest the compromize of every 3 hours when possible (mostly

> daytime) and 4 when not (during the parents' sleep period). This seems

> to work pretty well for most people.

>

>> 3) We originally did a urine challenge test. Should we switch to hair

>> tests to monitor results, or continue with urine tests for continuity?

>

> Neither. Testing is irrelevant to monitor progress. Keep chelating

> until there are no residual problems and no further improvement with

> chelation. The tests will look normal long before the kid does.

>

>> Brief background:

>> We've been chelating my little boy (7 yr old) with DMSA only, 3 days

>> on, 11 days off (6 cycles so far). Really good results, but have

>> noted some increased hyperactivity several days following each 3-day

>> DMSA cycle. Will switch to every 4 hour schedule next cycle, as it

>> makes more sense.

>

> Increased hyperactivity following an 8 hour cycle means you were quite

> lucky to not have anything worse. See how 4 hours does.

>

>> We originally did a DMSA challenge test (Doctors Data Lab) which came

>> back with extremely elevated lead and mercury (Lead was even higher

>> than mercury. All others within normal range). How often should one

>> retest metals?

>

> Never.

>

> Lots of people do it anyway. It is really easy to get confused when

> you do that.

>

> Hair tests are cheaper, easier, and hvae more information than urine

> tests, so if you just HAVE to do this, consider using a hair test.

>

>> I really want to start the lipoic acid as soon as it's safe to do so,

>

> now.

>

>> but am not quite clear on when that is.

>

> Now.

>

>> Since we didn't do a longer

>> DMSA cycle at the beginning of treatments, do we do it now, or just

>> continue on with our 3 days on, 11 days off.

>

> Just stick with 3/11

>

>> The more I learn the

>> less I think I know anything!!!

>

> That is how true scholarship works.

>

>> Thanks for the input. I'm learning a lot form this group!

>> Anne J.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

To both of you who take more ALA during the day than at night: I found I

was much sicker when my doses varied even a little bit. When I had to

divide the dosage by hand because I couldn't get the amount I needed, I

was quite sick during rounds. Now I've find a supplier who makes the 30 mg

ALA capsules I need, and things are *much* better.

I take it every two hours during the day, and every three at night. This

seems to work okay, probably because my metabolism is a little slower at

night. But the more even the dose is during the whole round (both amount

and timing) the less sick I am during a round, and the more improvement I

see *after* a round.

Inga, I would encourage you to try to stick to just every two hours during

the day, and three or four at night. If you do, let us know how the

experience compares, I would be interested to hear about it.

Regards,

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:55:17 -0000, Dagmar <dagmarjahr@...>

wrote:

>

> I take a higher dose (double) at night.

>

> Dagmar.

> Re: [ ] *Re: question re when to introduce ALA

>

>

>

> 2 questions Ihave been wanting toask:

>

> 1) Everytime one quits a round of ALA , there is redistribtution

> occurring,

> right?

>

> 2) When I dod DMSA/ALA, during the day, I put small ammounts under my

> tongue

> as frequently as every hour, but then at night time I obviously slow

> down. I

> set the alarm clock for every two hours, but sometimes I simply DO NOT

> wake

> up until 4 hours later...so I take it then.

> Anyway, 2hours or 4 hours apart, at night, I am still getting a much

> smaller

> ammount than I get during my waking hours when I take it muchmore

> frequently. Ithink you can see what I am getting at: I am not getting

> as

> much at night as during the day and want to know if this is going to

> cause

> problems.

>

> Thanks

> Inga

>

>

>

>

> on 11/11/04 12:11 AM, andrewhallcutler at AndyCutler@... wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >> Hi,

> >> I'm fairly new to this group and need some clarification. Just got

> >> Andy's book, and am a bit confused about a few things.

> >>

> >> 1) Why do you recommend to start DMSA (or DMPS) for a week on-week

> >> off or 10 days on 4 days off schedule in the beginning?

> >

> > 1. Make sure the body is cleared some,

> >

> > 2. It has almost always been used this way, I didn't feel like acting

> > like an alternative doctor and just pulling the whole protocol out of

> > my hat, I tried to make as much of it as possible stick to existing

> > things that had been done with a lot of people for a long time.

> >

> >> How long do

> >> you stay on this schedule?

> >

> > If amalgams have just been removed, 3 months.

> >

> > If there are no amalgams (typical in children) until progress is slow

> > or 3 months, whichever is first. It is OK to just do it once or

> twice

> > then use ALA if you wish.

> >

> >> 2) When is it safe to begin lipoic acid?

> >

> > When progress is slowing down or 3 months have passed, whichever

> comes

> > first.

> >

> >> What is the ideal dosing schedule for DMSA +lioic acid?

> >

> > Every 15 minutes, but nobody could possibly do that and not go insane

> > so I suggest the compromize of every 3 hours when possible (mostly

> > daytime) and 4 when not (during the parents' sleep period). This

> seems

> > to work pretty well for most people.

> >

> >> 3) We originally did a urine challenge test. Should we switch to

> hair

> >> tests to monitor results, or continue with urine tests for

> continuity?

> >

> > Neither. Testing is irrelevant to monitor progress. Keep chelating

> > until there are no residual problems and no further improvement with

> > chelation. The tests will look normal long before the kid does.

> >

> >> Brief background:

> >> We've been chelating my little boy (7 yr old) with DMSA only, 3 days

> >> on, 11 days off (6 cycles so far). Really good results, but have

> >> noted some increased hyperactivity several days following each 3-day

> >> DMSA cycle. Will switch to every 4 hour schedule next cycle, as it

> >> makes more sense.

> >

> > Increased hyperactivity following an 8 hour cycle means you were

> quite

> > lucky to not have anything worse. See how 4 hours does.

> >

> >> We originally did a DMSA challenge test (Doctors Data Lab) which

> came

> >> back with extremely elevated lead and mercury (Lead was even higher

> >> than mercury. All others within normal range). How often should one

> >> retest metals?

> >

> > Never.

> >

> > Lots of people do it anyway. It is really easy to get confused when

> > you do that.

> >

> > Hair tests are cheaper, easier, and hvae more information than urine

> > tests, so if you just HAVE to do this, consider using a hair test.

> >

> >> I really want to start the lipoic acid as soon as it's safe to do

> so,

> >

> > now.

> >

> >> but am not quite clear on when that is.

> >

> > Now.

> >

> >> Since we didn't do a longer

> >> DMSA cycle at the beginning of treatments, do we do it now, or just

> >> continue on with our 3 days on, 11 days off.

> >

> > Just stick with 3/11

> >

> >> The more I learn the

> >> less I think I know anything!!!

> >

> > That is how true scholarship works.

> >

> >> Thanks for the input. I'm learning a lot form this group!

> >> Anne J.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

Gee...I don't know if I could handle 30 mg of ALA....that is why I took

small ammounts under my tongue.....I had to do that with DMSA too.

Who is your supplier and do they have smaller caps than 30 mg?

Actually, I have quite chelating for awhile to see how things go, but I am

always wanting to know more, and so I keep asking more questions.

If and when I chelate again, I will share my experiences based on your

input.

Thanks,

~Inga

on 11/11/04 12:14 PM, de Vries at megami@... wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> To both of you who take more ALA during the day than at night: I found I

> was much sicker when my doses varied even a little bit. When I had to

> divide the dosage by hand because I couldn't get the amount I needed, I

> was quite sick during rounds. Now I've find a supplier who makes the 30 mg

> ALA capsules I need, and things are *much* better.

>

> I take it every two hours during the day, and every three at night. This

> seems to work okay, probably because my metabolism is a little slower at

> night. But the more even the dose is during the whole round (both amount

> and timing) the less sick I am during a round, and the more improvement I

> see *after* a round.

>

> Inga, I would encourage you to try to stick to just every two hours during

> the day, and three or four at night. If you do, let us know how the

> experience compares, I would be interested to hear about it.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:55:17 -0000, Dagmar <dagmarjahr@...>

> wrote:

>

>>

>> I take a higher dose (double) at night.

>>

>> Dagmar.

>> Re: [ ] *Re: question re when to introduce ALA

>>

>>

>>

>> 2 questions Ihave been wanting toask:

>>

>> 1) Everytime one quits a round of ALA , there is redistribtution

>> occurring,

>> right?

>>

>> 2) When I dod DMSA/ALA, during the day, I put small ammounts under my

>> tongue

>> as frequently as every hour, but then at night time I obviously slow

>> down. I

>> set the alarm clock for every two hours, but sometimes I simply DO NOT

>> wake

>> up until 4 hours later...so I take it then.

>> Anyway, 2hours or 4 hours apart, at night, I am still getting a much

>> smaller

>> ammount than I get during my waking hours when I take it muchmore

>> frequently. Ithink you can see what I am getting at: I am not getting

>> as

>> much at night as during the day and want to know if this is going to

>> cause

>> problems.

>>

>> Thanks

>> Inga

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> on 11/11/04 12:11 AM, andrewhallcutler at AndyCutler@... wrote:

>>

>>>

>>>

>>>> Hi,

>>>> I'm fairly new to this group and need some clarification. Just got

>>>> Andy's book, and am a bit confused about a few things.

>>>>

>>>> 1) Why do you recommend to start DMSA (or DMPS) for a week on-week

>>>> off or 10 days on 4 days off schedule in the beginning?

>>>

>>> 1. Make sure the body is cleared some,

>>>

>>> 2. It has almost always been used this way, I didn't feel like acting

>>> like an alternative doctor and just pulling the whole protocol out of

>>> my hat, I tried to make as much of it as possible stick to existing

>>> things that had been done with a lot of people for a long time.

>>>

>>>> How long do

>>>> you stay on this schedule?

>>>

>>> If amalgams have just been removed, 3 months.

>>>

>>> If there are no amalgams (typical in children) until progress is slow

>>> or 3 months, whichever is first. It is OK to just do it once or

>> twice

>>> then use ALA if you wish.

>>>

>>>> 2) When is it safe to begin lipoic acid?

>>>

>>> When progress is slowing down or 3 months have passed, whichever

>> comes

>>> first.

>>>

>>>> What is the ideal dosing schedule for DMSA +lioic acid?

>>>

>>> Every 15 minutes, but nobody could possibly do that and not go insane

>>> so I suggest the compromize of every 3 hours when possible (mostly

>>> daytime) and 4 when not (during the parents' sleep period). This

>> seems

>>> to work pretty well for most people.

>>>

>>>> 3) We originally did a urine challenge test. Should we switch to

>> hair

>>>> tests to monitor results, or continue with urine tests for

>> continuity?

>>>

>>> Neither. Testing is irrelevant to monitor progress. Keep chelating

>>> until there are no residual problems and no further improvement with

>>> chelation. The tests will look normal long before the kid does.

>>>

>>>> Brief background:

>>>> We've been chelating my little boy (7 yr old) with DMSA only, 3 days

>>>> on, 11 days off (6 cycles so far). Really good results, but have

>>>> noted some increased hyperactivity several days following each 3-day

>>>> DMSA cycle. Will switch to every 4 hour schedule next cycle, as it

>>>> makes more sense.

>>>

>>> Increased hyperactivity following an 8 hour cycle means you were

>> quite

>>> lucky to not have anything worse. See how 4 hours does.

>>>

>>>> We originally did a DMSA challenge test (Doctors Data Lab) which

>> came

>>>> back with extremely elevated lead and mercury (Lead was even higher

>>>> than mercury. All others within normal range). How often should one

>>>> retest metals?

>>>

>>> Never.

>>>

>>> Lots of people do it anyway. It is really easy to get confused when

>>> you do that.

>>>

>>> Hair tests are cheaper, easier, and hvae more information than urine

>>> tests, so if you just HAVE to do this, consider using a hair test.

>>>

>>>> I really want to start the lipoic acid as soon as it's safe to do

>> so,

>>>

>>> now.

>>>

>>>> but am not quite clear on when that is.

>>>

>>> Now.

>>>

>>>> Since we didn't do a longer

>>>> DMSA cycle at the beginning of treatments, do we do it now, or just

>>>> continue on with our 3 days on, 11 days off.

>>>

>>> Just stick with 3/11

>>>

>>>> The more I learn the

>>>> less I think I know anything!!!

>>>

>>> That is how true scholarship works.

>>>

>>>> Thanks for the input. I'm learning a lot form this group!

>>>> Anne J.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> =======================================================

>>>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:32:19 -0800, Ingrid Mager

<wolfiebear@...> wrote:

> Gee...I don't know if I could handle 30 mg of ALA....that is why I took

> small ammounts under my tongue.....

It's very likely that an even dosage in terms of both amount and schedule

will be a lot easier to handle.

> I had to do that with DMSA too.

> Who is your supplier and do they have smaller caps than 30 mg?

I got mine at http://www.puritanspride.com/

> If and when I chelate again, I will share my experiences based on your

> input.

I look forward to hearing about it.

Regards,