Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 kathryn roosa wrote: > Since it is the season for it, I want to ask about " cheating. " > If a diabetic person is very good and controlled most of the time, what > harm is there in having, say, one pasta (or other meal that > raises/spikes the bgs) meal a month? Probably not much harm in the long run. But, I suggest you make portions of " cheater " foods really small. After achieving a degree of control you may find that very high bgs will affect you in a way you would never notice while you were uncontrolled. I can tell I'm having a high when I feel jittery inside - I don't know how else to describe it, but I can definitely feel it, and it certainly affects my ability to interact harmoniously with other people. I get really irritable at either extreme, just have way more energy at the high end - not good. CarolR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 No harm at all. Damage is caused when you have high BGs over an extended period of time -- weeks to months. So an occasional " cheat " is okay. The problem comes when one cheat leads to another, smile. Vicki Re: Pasta Since it is the season for it, I want to ask about " cheating. " If a diabetic person is very good and controlled most of the time, what harm is there in having, say, one pasta (or other meal that raises/spikes the bgs) meal a month? Kathy R. Houston, Texas Type 2 - Dx 7/2005 Low Carb, Metaformin XR (2000mg), Actos 35mg > Dreamfields raises my BGs. No matter how much " al dente " I cook it > (way > under their specified cooking time), it still raises my BGs > unacceptably. > My own homemade spaghetti sauce could also be a co-culprit as it has a > lot > of fresh tomatoes in it. Nothing I eat *with* it helps. I also find > that a > *large* salad raises my BGs as well. My salads contain only greens and > I > have no more than one wedge of tomato. The dressing I use is full fat > and > is purported to have no more than 1g carb to a tablespoon. I dilute > the > dressing with water before I limit myself to the tablespoon. > > Can't help you with any suggestion on how to make it OK. Just making a > statement of fact and commiseration. Until I begin using a fast-acting > insulin bolus for meals (sometime next February), these things will > raise > my BGs. Knowing that, I choose not to eat them... at least for a > while. > > Nora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 how was everyones christmas? mine was very diffuilt ,i had some dessert left over,i call my daughter,while ago.told her to get out it of my house. my husband kept what he wanted ,because i found out i crave for it when it is in my face.so today ,back to my control food.and my meter needed new battierrs.hope you all had a good day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 It is too bad they advertise this great low carb pasta when I am not convinced it could be this low carb if it seems to spike people, you know? I will say that I had it once before - about 2 weeks ago - and it did not spike me that much - up to about 126 that night. Last night I exercised 45 minutes before dinner (usually I exercise after) - and I really spiked - wonder if it makes a difference when you exercise? I also probably ate a larger portion last night as well. So many variations it is hard to know why some days you can eat something and others you can't! I'll just keep writing down everything like I have been and something will click. I will try eating more cheese or something with fat with it next time with a smaller portion. I'm really quite good about my eating - but the same foods get boring and I just gotta have pasta now and then! Sandy > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:48:25 -0600 > > Subject: Re: Pasta > > Dreamfields raises my BGs. No matter how much " al dente " I cook it (way > under their specified cooking time), it still raises my BGs unacceptably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 At 03:25 PM 12/26/05, Sandy wrote: >It is too bad they advertise this great low carb pasta when I am not >convinced it could be this low carb if it seems to spike people, you know? It varies. Sometimes I can eat Dreamfields and though my BG's go up, it's not a serious spike. Other times it's horrible. This is why I don't use it any longer. I use regular pasta, because at least then I can judge the amount of carbs and thus the amount of insulin to use to cover it. When something varies from use to use I can't judge anything. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 > > If a diabetic person is very good and controlled most of the time, what > > harm is there in having, say, one pasta (or other meal that > > raises/spikes the bgs) meal a month? The real danger is that you'll eat a big plate of pasta, or something, and nothing very bad will happen. So next time you'll decide to have it every 2 weeks. Or maybe every week. Or, oh heck, what about every day? And next thing you know, you'll be out of control. The other problem is that having a " forbidden " food rekindles your taste for that food. If, on the other hand, you're terribly disciplined and you crave pasta already, then having it once a month probably wouldn't cause a lot of harm. Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 Thanks to all who responded to my question. It is so true that one " cheat " can lead to others. " Terribly disciplined " is not a term I would use for myself, though I have been surprisingly " good " since my diagnosis. On the other hand, isn't there that well-known dieting effect -- you deny yourself something you love, and then when you finally do have some, you waaaaay overdo it. There are some things I have just given up completely because they are just too harmful to my bgs, pasta being one of them, things like donuts and ice cream and cookies and birthday cake being others. I almost never eat bread anymore. But I will have one piece of naan when I have Indian food, and 1/2 a cup of mashed potatoes or dressing on a holiday. I am glad the holidays are over -- it was my first holiday season since being diagnosed and it was hard and I wasn't perfect, but now that it's over, it's back to my semi-Bernstein WOE. And my resolution is to exercise consistently. Wish me luck -- I HATE exercise!! >>> If a diabetic person is very good and controlled most of the time, >>> what >>> harm is there in having, say, one pasta (or other meal that >>> raises/spikes the bgs) meal a month? > > The real danger is that you'll eat a big plate of pasta, or something, > and > nothing very bad will happen. So next time you'll decide to have it > every 2 > weeks. Or maybe every week. Or, oh heck, what about every day? And next > thing you know, you'll be out of control. > > The other problem is that having a " forbidden " food rekindles your > taste for > that food. > > If, on the other hand, you're terribly disciplined and you crave pasta > already, then having it once a month probably wouldn't cause a lot of > harm. > > Gretchen > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 When Dreamfields first came out, part of the information on their website was that it was not for everyone. I believe they said the more IR you are, the more likely the pasta would spike you. I am highly IR, which is why I use metformin and actos along with insulin. Occasionally the pasta will spike me, but into the high teens or the low 120s instead of a number near 100, and, of course, with the insulin, I can correct. Exercise could be used to correct too. What I have found is that it will work if I use less than the specified two ounces as a portion. I make mine with a sauce heavy on the meat, a pound of lean ground meat, two or three cans of tomato sauce and six ounces dry of the pasta. We are two people and this gives us enough for two dinners each with something on the side and a lunch for me. I then shoot for the pasta count as if it were a regular veggie type carb and, for the most part, it works. The infrequent times it doesn't are so few that it could even be something else influencing my numbers, so Dreamfields is definitely part of my WOE at least once or twice a month. Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 touche Gretchen! ! ! kate (18 years french fries free ............ who can eat only 6 ) > > > > If a diabetic person is very good and controlled most of the time, what > > > harm is there in having, say, one pasta (or other meal that > > > raises/spikes the bgs) meal a month? > > The real danger is that you'll eat a big plate of pasta, or something, and > nothing very bad will happen. So next time you'll decide to have it every 2 > weeks. Or maybe every week. Or, oh heck, what about every day? And next > thing you know, you'll be out of control. > > The other problem is that having a " forbidden " food rekindles your taste for > that food. > > If, on the other hand, you're terribly disciplined and you crave pasta > already, then having it once a month probably wouldn't cause a lot of harm. > > Gretchen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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