Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Hi, I couldn't remember correctly but a few days ago, someone posted information on L-Arginine (I think???) and how new reports found it damaging . . . . . I found this multivitamin that really has an amazing amount of things - all things I take - in one pill. Seems like a good one BUT then I saw the L-Arginine as the last ingredient and that got me worried a bit. Was it definitely L-Arginine in that report? Here is the link to this MVI if anyone can take a look and give me some feedback? http://www.vitacost.com/NSICardioliftAdvancedMultiVitaminVersion2/bt-healthconce\ rns Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Sandy wrote: >Hi, >I couldn't remember correctly but a few days ago, someone posted information on L-Arginine (I think???) and how new reports found it damaging . . . . . I found this multivitamin that really has an amazing amount of things - all things I take - in one pill. Seems like a good one BUT then I saw the L-Arginine as the last ingredient and that got me worried a bit. Was it definitely L-Arginine in that report? > > > Sandy The study, at the link below, showed that heart attack patients should not take L-Arginine because it increases the risk of further attacks. http://www.webmd.com/content/article/116/112343?src=RSS_PUBLIC -- Rob T2 Metformin; Multi Vits with Minerals; Soya Lecithin; Effexor XL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 < ... someone posted information on L-Arginine (I think???) and how new reports found it damaging . . . . . Was it definitely L-Arginine in that report? > It was definitely l-arginine, but the study focused on the damage to those individuals who had experienced an MI and were using the supplement as part of their follow on therapy. While there was no evidence that it was dangerous to people who had not experienced a heart attack, the summary report recommended further research. http://www.webmd.com/content/Article/116/112343.htm http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/295/1/58 Caveat emptor, I suppose. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Fearnley > Sandy The study, at the link below, showed that heart attack patients should not take L-Arginine because it increases the risk of further attacks. --------------- Okay - so if you have no heart problems, then it should be okay . . . . ~ Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 At 12:34 PM 1/11/06, Sandy wrote: >Hi, >I couldn't remember correctly but a few days ago, someone posted >information on L-Arginine (I think???) and how new reports found it >damaging . . . . . I found this multivitamin that really has an amazing >amount of things - all things I take - in one pill. Seems like a good one >BUT then I saw the L-Arginine as the last ingredient and that got me >worried a bit. Was it definitely L-Arginine in that report? what's supposed to be wrong with L-Arginine? It, if I recall, is an insulin mimic....I would take it about 45 minutes before a meal that I knew would be higher in carbs than usual (this is before I started on humalog). I used to use it all of the time. It doesn't hang around the body for a long time, from my understanding. The only problem I see with pills that have a large combination of ingredients is that sometimes one may work against the other. For instance, lots of multi-vits have both C and Selenium in them, but the two are antagonistic (this according to a biochemist friend of mine) and more or less wipe one another out. You also then have to do more math if you'd like to be taking MORE of one vitamin or mineral or if the same thing exists in some other pill you take. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Yes I agree with the " complete vitamin " that has all those extras in it - I just was surprised to see all the things I take in it and thought it might save me a lot of money! I didn't know about the selenium/vit C . . . hmmm . . . you mean I have to now buy selenium separately? UGH!!! I take vit c throughout the day. Sandy Re: L-Arginine? The only problem I see with pills that have a large combination of ingredients is that sometimes one may work against the other. For instance, lots of multi-vits have both C and Selenium in them, but the two are antagonistic (this according to a biochemist friend of mine) and more or less wipe one another out. You also then have to do more math if you'd like to be taking MORE of one vitamin or mineral or if the same thing exists in some other pill you take. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Sandy wrote: >Yes I agree with the " complete vitamin " that has all those extras in it - I just was surprised to see all the things I take in it and thought it might save me a lot of money! > >I didn't know about the selenium/vit C . . . hmmm . . . you mean I have to now buy selenium separately? UGH!!! I take vit c throughout the day. > >Sandy > Re: L-Arginine? > The only problem I see with pills that have a large combination of > ingredients is that sometimes one may work against the other. For instance, > lots of multi-vits have both C and Selenium in them, but the two are > antagonistic (this according to a biochemist friend of mine) and more or > less wipe one another out. You also then have to do more math if you'd > like to be taking MORE of one vitamin or mineral or if the same thing > exists in some other pill you take. > > sky > > Sky Read the attached link, has some about vit c and selenium not antagonist but synergist. http://www.acu-cell.com/ses.html -- Rob T2 Metformin; Multi Vits with Minerals; Soya Lecithin; Effexor XL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Rob that was very interesting - and somewhat confusing. Left me not knowing if what I'm taking is good or bad~! Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Fearnley Read the attached link, has some about vit c and selenium not antagonist but synergist. http://www.acu-cell.com/ses.html -- Rob T2 Metformin; Multi Vits with Minerals; Soya Lecithin; Effexor XL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 At 03:36 PM 1/11/06, Rob Fearnley wrote: >Sky > >Read the attached link, has some about vit c and selenium not antagonist >but synergist. > >http://www.acu-cell.com/ses.html Interesting stuff. I have a tendency to look more askance at such reports by a company who wants to sell you their product than an uninvolved opthamologist-biochemist who told tales about how he and his co-workers would alway write to vitamin companies about the problem but were totally ignored. I guess the multi-vit companies prefered being able to brag about how many essential things were in their product. It'd be interesting to run the stuff on that site past my friend, but he's now retired from heading departments at UC Duke to doing some work in Africa with something...and I think it might be selenium...that, given to the folks there, allows them to eliminate arsenic (which occurs naturally in their water supply) from their bodies. At least that was the last I heard from him about his plans. -=skydancer=- Success always occurs in private and failure in full view. www.skydancers.com http://www.skydor.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Sandy wrote: >Rob that was very interesting - and somewhat confusing. Left me not knowing if what I'm taking is good or bad~! > > > The meaning of synergism is that the two things work better in combination than they would be expected to considering their individual characteristics, so therefore taking both Vitamin C and Selenium has a greater result than to be expected from the results gained taking Vitamin C on its own + the results gained by taking Selenium on its own. -- Rob T2 Metformin; Multi Vits with Minerals; Soya Lecithin; Effexor XL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Yes I knew the word synergism (I sell skin care products that work synergistically together which I have boasted about for marketing) . but the article to me was just confusing because it listed several things that are not good together and some that are and so I need to review all the stuff I'm taking to see if I'm doing something wrong . . .. . and then you do have the multivitamin/herb supplements specifically formulated for diabetics which I'm wondering whether they are good or not . . will do furthe research! Sandy Re: L-Arginine? > > The meaning of synergism is that the two things work better in combination than they would be expected to considering their individual characteristics, so therefore taking both Vitamin C and Selenium has a greater result than to be expected from the results gained taking Vitamin C on its own + the results gained by taking Selenium on its own. -- Rob T2 Metformin; Multi Vits with Minerals; Soya Lecithin; Effexor XL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 At 05:00 PM 1/11/06, Rob Fearnley wrote: >Sandy wrote: > > >Rob that was very interesting - and somewhat confusing. Left me not > knowing if what I'm taking is good or bad~! > > > > > > >The meaning of synergism is that the two things work better in >combination than they would be expected to considering their individual >characteristics, so therefore taking both Vitamin C and Selenium has a >greater result than to be expected from the results gained taking >Vitamin C on its own + the results gained by taking Selenium on its own. I can't figure out how two things that will neutralize one another can work synergically... I'll have to try to find my friends original email if I can, but it will entail finding the CD with old emails on it. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Sandy wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rob Fearnley > > > Sandy > > The study, at the link below, showed that heart attack patients should > not take L-Arginine because it increases the risk of further attacks. > --------------- > > Okay - so if you have no heart problems, then it should be okay . . . . ~ Sandy > > That's my understanding of the article -- Rob T2 Metformin; Multi Vits with Minerals; Soya Lecithin; Effexor XL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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