Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 > > I just received the hair test packet from Doctor's Data. They have a > new hair test; so there is a choice. You can get the original Hair > Elements Profile or you can get Hair Toxic Element Exposure Profile. > They cost the same exactly. > > Here is what the Original tests for that the Toxic Exposure doesn't: > Boron, Calcium, Iodine, Iron, Lithium, Magnesium, Phosphorus, Potassium, > Rubidium, Sodium, Strontium, Sulfur, and Zirconium. > > Here is what the Toxic Exposure tests for that Original doesn't: > Cesium, Gadolinium, Gold, Palladium, Tellurium, and Tungsten > > I am looking for Mercury, Arsenic and Antimony primarily and either test > will show that; but does anybody know if the Toxic Exposure list is > offering anything useful? Or would it be better to see if there are > good levels of say, Calcium, Magnesium and Potassium? > > Thanks > > Kris Dear Kris, First, mercury OFTEN shows up as " normal " in people who ARE MERCURY TOXIC. It is due to the nature of how mercury acts in the body. For more info, read here: /files/Counting%2BRules Second, if you wish to use the counting rules then you MUST get the hair elements test. As a minor point, I'm a little confused by your list of the deltas between list. I thought the TOXIC elements test did not have ANY of the essential elements reported-- the hair elements test has 23 (darn, or is it 32?) elements on it. I've been typing up lists of them recently (no, I am NOT KIDDING!!!) My understanding is that the toxic elements test had NONE of these. Anyway, I am positive that IF you want to use the counting rules then you'll need the hair elements test. I hope this helps, and if you have questions about any of that, please ask. best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 Dear Dana, Would you mind sending it to me, too? I have never been clear on this and would appreciate Andy's explanation. Thank you! , mom to and [ ] Re: hair test > Andy or anyone, > > How do hair element levels relate to body element levels? > > Is it possible to supplement correctly from a hair test or do you need blood work also? Several months ago, Andy posted about this. I saved his message, but I won't re-post it. You can send me a private email and I will forward it to you, if you want. Dana ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Could you please send one to me, too? Elena [ ] Re: hair test > > > Andy or anyone, > > > > How do hair element levels relate to body element levels? > > > > Is it possible to supplement correctly from a hair test or do you > need blood work also? > > > Several months ago, Andy posted about this. I saved his message, but > I won't re-post it. You can send me a private email and I will > forward it to you, if you want. > > Dana > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Is it possible for mme to have a copy also? Best Wishes Jacqui [ ] Re: hair test > > > Andy or anyone, > > > > How do hair element levels relate to body element levels? > > > > Is it possible to supplement correctly from a hair test or do you > need blood work also? > > > Several months ago, Andy posted about this. I saved his message, but > I won't re-post it. You can send me a private email and I will > forward it to you, if you want. > > Dana > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 I would do a current hair test, but you need to do a DDI hair test so you can apply the counting rules to see if your so has disordered mineral transport and is mercury toxic now, today. It will be interesting for you to compare this new test to the one from his toddler days. Go to the files section and read How to Hair Test (if you haven't already). You also should read the Mercury-Autism FAQ file. Good luck and welcome. KIM [ ] hair test Hi all, I'm new to the group. My son is now nine, and I had his toddler hair tested (I had saved a lock of this hair with his baby stuff) which came back high for aluminum,antimony, arsenic, mercury, lead, cadmium, and bismuth. I had the toddler hair tested because this was when he was vaccinated , and had some other exposures I was worried about, and my understanding is that the exposures might not " show up " if I had a test done now- that they might be in his tissues/organs and not be being released. Is this perception accurate? Should I have a current test- would it be helpful in any way? ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 > Please excuse my stupidity where do you get the hair test for $42 we > paid $125 at great plains DDI charges $42 for hair tests. http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html When I have called DDI to verify prices, they told me the test costs $76 except for some practitioners who have " special pricing " (in which case it it $42). However, I have not heard of anyone paying $76, and I have personally paid $42..... good wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 All the metals for the hair test is in the yellow, none are in the red. Most are close to the ok side and Aluminum, antimony, arsenic are in the middle of the yellow. Mercury is toward the low side. What does that mean. Does it mean he doesn't have a problem with these things? It shows he is high is hair sulfur. Does that mean he's high in sulfur and shouldn't use glutithione? Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 > All the metals for the hair test is in the yellow, none are in the red. Most are close to the ok side and Aluminum, antimony, arsenic are in the middle of the yellow. Mercury is toward the low side. What does that mean. Does it mean he doesn't have a problem with these things? It means they are just a little outside of average. It means they are not so obviously a big problem, but that does mean they are not a problem, just it is less clear. > It shows he is high is hair sulfur. Does that mean he's high in sulfur and shouldn't use glutithione? No, it doesn't equate to use of sulfur--- you need a plasma cysteine test if you want to find out. You can read about it here: http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html#sulfur Good wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 > Dear all: > > I could use your help. We are doing the hair test but don't know if using just any shampoo is good. Is there some shampoo we should be using and for how long? > > Thanks in advance. > Warmly, > I've done 2 hair tests. One of the labs said in the directions to use ONLY a simple shampoo (for a couple of days before?) and no other hair gunk (for a couple of days?). They cited 's Baby Shampoo as an example. The other lab said nothing about limiting hair products prior to the test. I don't know if it really matters. I would stay away from " weird " hair products (Selsun blue, hair spray, etc) for at least a few days.... good wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 If your hair test is from Doctor's Data you can post on / to get feedback re results. There is a format listed in the archives. http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ - gives good information on referecing for this topic. > > > > yeah, it is a handful and then some.... I found a doctor in CT > that treats people that have MS with vitamins and diet. She too also > has MS. I had a hair analysis done and it came back with what > vitamins I'm lacking. Such as my calcium level was really high, but > my magnesium level was very low. My understanding is that your body > doesn't absorbe calcuim unless your magnesium and calcuim is > balanced. That was just one of the findings. She tested me on others > and decided the dosage of what I should be taking based on her > findings. She has a website if you want to check it out.. its > www.drgrecomd.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 My mercury reading was 0.01. It barely registered. So no problem there. > > If your hair test is from Doctor's Data you can post on > / > to get feedback re results. There is a format listed in the archives. > http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ - gives good information on > referecing for this topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Acc. to Cutler, very low/no mecury on the hair test is a classic sign that you are unable to excrete it; that is your body just packs it away. This is a BIG problem with many of the autistic children whose detoxing systems are overwhelmed. Hence, the mercury in vaccines has accummulated in their bodies wrecking havoc with so many biological functions. If you had a Doctor's Data test I would urge you to take a look at those references. Post your results- a format is given- and get some expert feedback for whether you may be heavy metal poisoned. -- In low dose naltrexone , " perfectlysunnyday " <mmmorris@...> wrote: > > My mercury reading was 0.01. It barely registered. So no problem there. > > > > > > If your hair test is from Doctor's Data you can post on > > / > > to get feedback re results. There is a format listed in the archives. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ - gives good information on > > referecing for this topic. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 -My test was done by Tei Trace Elements Inc. I don't think the low mercury is due to not excreteing it. I think it is low exposer. I have no fillings...have never had a cavity. I have never had a flu shot and the last vaccination was to start school...MANY years ago. -- In low dose naltrexone , " mbrookh " <mbrookh@...> wrote: > > Acc. to Cutler, very low/no mecury on the hair test is a classic sign > that you are unable to excrete it; that is your body just packs it > away. This is a BIG problem with many of the autistic children whose > detoxing systems are overwhelmed. Hence, the mercury in vaccines has > accummulated in their bodies wrecking havoc with so many biological > functions. If you had a Doctor's Data test I would urge you to take a > look at those references. Post your results- a format is given- and > get some expert feedback for whether you may be heavy metal poisoned. > > > > -- In low dose naltrexone , " perfectlysunnyday " > <mmmorris@> wrote: > > > > My mercury reading was 0.01. It barely registered. So no problem > there. > > > > > > > > > > If your hair test is from Doctor's Data you can post on > > > / > > > to get feedback re results. There is a format listed in the > archives. > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ - gives good information on > > > referecing for this topic. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 If hair is not a good test for mercury, then what is a good test? Real > > Acc. to Cutler, very low/no mecury on the hair test is a classic sign > that you are unable to excrete it; that is your body just packs it > away. This is a BIG problem with many of the autistic children whose > detoxing systems are overwhelmed. Hence, the mercury in vaccines has > accummulated in their bodies wrecking havoc with so many biological > functions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 (I got a 'blogger post failed' notice,so this is a repost.) My test was done by Tei Trace Elements Inc. I don't think the low mercury is due to not excreteing it, I think it is low exposure. I have no fillings...have never had a cavity. I have never had a flu shot and the last vaccination was to start school...MANY years ago. Also, I have been on a detox diet for about 1 1/2 years. > > Acc. to Cutler, very low/no mecury on the hair test is a classic sign > that you are unable to excrete it; that is your body just packs it > away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Many thanks for your response. My blood test shows potentially elevated levels of mercury, lead, and arsenic. The holistic doc says these metals hide in our soft tissues and are not readily available in our blood for tests. No fillings and 4 wisdom teeth here. No flu shots. I did find out after the fact that my previous home was built on top of a landfill. An excavation in the back yard yielded many industrial electrical parts and a clamp that very likely came from a laboratory. Due to the excavation finds, mercury exposure is a definite possibility. I'm leaning towards oral DMSA to slowly take the metals out of my body, then after a couple / few months, have another blood test. > > > > Acc. to Cutler, very low/no mecury on the hair test is a classic sign > > that you are unable to excrete it; that is your body just packs it > > away. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 > > > > If your hair test is from Doctor's Data you can post on > > / > > to get feedback re results. There is a format listed in the archives. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ - gives good information on > > referecing for this topic. Apologies for responding to an older post. My blood test, from Doctor's Data Inc, has my mercury level at 0.004ug/g. The report put my at 95th precentile for the result. The holistic doc claimed that was high enough to warrent a DPMS challenge. He says the metals hide in our soft tissues are not readily available to be tested in our blood. The DPMS challenge would dislodge the metals, the metals would then be excreted in the urine. The urine would be collected and tested. There are a number of negative posts about DPMS challenges on the web. Real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Real, Unless you have very recent exposure[4-6 weeks], blood and urine will not show any mercury. Like lead, which gets packed away in bones, mercury is shuttled away in the body organs. Urine porphyrins can be a more specific for toxic overload. However, there is a huge false negative with this test as it requires very specific handling. The autism community seems to be using a French lab for their lab of preference for this one. Info at http://www.safeminds.org/pressroom/pres_releases/060504- NATAF2006final.pdf Cutler has devised a counting system for the hair elements test through Doctor's Data[hence, my asking where the test was run] that can give you a high percentage of probable mercury toxicity or not. You can order this test direct from http://www.directlabs.com/ Hair testing has been the preferential way for me to assess how my daughter is progressing through chelation. Just because the test does NOT show mercury does NOT mean you do not have a mercury problem or that the hair test is not a good way to evaluate your situation. If you are a non excretor, as are most of the autistic children, you will not show mercury in any test unless you take specific means to get it out of your system i.e. chelation. The files @ / are a great source of information as is the group a wonderful source of support. As I've learned over the last 4-5 years since I came upon this information, it is not a quick fix -marathon vs sprint. The hair test can also show you other problems. Initially, my daughter had high nickel and chromium. Copper and aluminum were problems as well. Arsenic then began to show up excreting in hair as did antimony. The hypothyroid was indicated on hair testing long before blood lab values crashed. Cutler's 2 books give a good rundown of this. Of the 2, The Hair Interpretation one is most beneficial.http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html http://www.dartmouth.edu/~toxmetal/ is a good primer about all of this. In order for me to be open to information that has been of the most benefit for my daughter, I had to drop all her labels - PDD- NOS, seizure disorder, hypothyroid, immune dysfunction, allergic responses, MR[she taught herself to read at age 4 so I knew the mr was inaccurate]etc. I came to this list to find info about ldn as our daughter was to begin a trial with it. I'm constantly struck by the pattern of similar 'symptoms' that I read here and on the autism lines. I ask myself over and over, is this all damage at a different point in life from the toxic environmet to which we are all exposed? In my mind the answer is yes. It also means to me that some of us are very sensitive to the ongoing exposure. Just because you can't id a source of exposure does not mean that you are not exposed. Acc to govn standards, you would need to weigh 550 pounds to tolerate the mercury in one flu shot[25mcg/shot; govn limit for daily exposure is 0.1mcg/kg(2.2 lbs). Many 7-8 pound babies are immediately overwhelmed with the bolus of 25mcg per vaccine in their childhood vaccines. It may take awhile for those of us older and larger to show biological distress. > > > > Acc. to Cutler, very low/no mecury on the hair test is a classic > sign > > that you are unable to excrete it; that is your body just packs it > > away. This is a BIG problem with many of the autistic children whose > > detoxing systems are overwhelmed. Hence, the mercury in vaccines has > > accummulated in their bodies wrecking havoc with so many biological > > functions. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Real, I would strongly encourage you to read, read, read before consenting to a iv challenge test. This has huge risks for redistributing the metal load and making any of us much sicker. > > > > > > If your hair test is from Doctor's Data you can post on > > > / > > > to get feedback re results. There is a format listed in the > archives. > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ - gives good information on > > > referecing for this topic. > > Apologies for responding to an older post. My blood test, from > Doctor's Data Inc, has my mercury level at 0.004ug/g. The report > put my at 95th precentile for the result. The holistic doc claimed > that was high enough to warrent a DPMS challenge. He says the > metals hide in our soft tissues are not readily available to be > tested in our blood. The DPMS challenge would dislodge the metals, > the metals would then be excreted in the urine. The urine would be > collected and tested. > > There are a number of negative posts about DPMS challenges on the > web. > > Real > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 > > Real, > Unless you have very recent exposure[4-6 weeks], blood and urine > will not show any mercury. Like lead, which gets packed away in > bones, mercury is shuttled away in the body organs. Urine porphyrins > can be a more specific for toxic overload. However, there is a huge > false negative with this test as it requires very specific handling. > The autism community seems to be using a French lab for their lab .............. Many Thanks for all of the information. It is greatly appreciated. The decision about the DPMS challenge has really been bothering me lately. I've had the concern about what happens to all of these metals if they are cut loose??? I lived on top of the landfill for 3 years. So, the abosrption was over 3 years. I've got some fur from the cat who lived in the house over the dump. The cat died (9/2000) while I was living at the house-o-death and after I had been diagnosed with optic neuritis (4/2000). I found a lab in Colorado Springs that will test the fur for metals. $425 dollars. I'm thinking that if the fur is a good representation of what my exposure was, then it's $425 well spent. It is probably better money than a DPMS challenge. The next challenge is to determine a chelation therapy and a test to determine when I'm clear of heavy metals. Tnx Real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 You can test your own hair for about $92 through Direct Labs see http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ Save yourself some money and get feedback about your own situation. imo, Cutler has the safest protocol for chealtion. http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/ELl4RT6Oo1fXT8CVLxKa0KEaeLBzivx4FL2dw95WQQ yBiRbcwHvQ4wFPHGkQhcJ0fqFNwr4HVKakkVOOla5oAq50k6A/Mercury-Autism%20FAQ > I've got some fur from the cat who lived in the house over the dump. > The cat died (9/2000) while I was living at the house-o-death and > after I had been diagnosed with optic neuritis (4/2000). I found a > lab in Colorado Springs that will test the fur for metals. $425 > dollars. I'm thinking that if the fur is a good representation of > what my exposure was, then it's $425 well spent. It is probably > better money than a DPMS challenge. > > The next challenge is to determine a chelation therapy and a test to > determine when I'm clear of heavy metals. > > Tnx > Real > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Please see frequent-dose-chelation/? yguid=157652497 for an adult group that deals with chelation. > The next challenge is to determine a chelation therapy and a test to > determine when I'm clear of heavy metals. > > Tnx > Real > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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