Re: A Question for the ladies

[Guest guest]

Hi Helen,

What do you mean 'recovering from Byetta usage'? How long were you on it and

what adverse affects did you experience? I've been on it a short time and

would like to know what the possibilities are.

Thanks,

~a

In a message dated 12/18/2005 2:24:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time,

jlnhjm@... writes:

Now, I am in a state of flux, recovering from byetta usage, so I cannot

say with certainty that it had no effect on bgs.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/18/2005 2:24:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time,

jlnhjm@... writes:

>I will be 68 tomorrow.

Happy birthday!!! I hope you have a wonderful day!

[Guest guest]

Kat, I stopped mine, slowly. A couple of years ago I went from the .05

patch to the .0375. About 3 months ago instead of changing it twice a

week, I changed once a week. Hot flashes increased, but no other

problems. When the hot flashing cooled down (pun intended) and I

realized I forgotten to change my patch and had it on for ten days, I

decided I was done.

Now, I am in a state of flux, recovering from byetta usage, so I cannot

say with certainty that it had no effect on bgs. However, I have always

read that hormones can increase bgs, but I did not see that either.

I will be 68 tomorrow. How old are you?

I had a hysterectomy when I was 49, there was no way I was not going to

use HRT at that time. But I have always used the patches that provide

estrodial only.

Helen

[Guest guest]

I suppose the assumption is that the " hormones " being spoken of are

estrogen and not things like thyroid hormone (which does cause higher BG's).

sky

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sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.

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[Guest guest]

At 03:45 PM 12/18/05, Kathy Keef wrote:

>Hi folks;

>I had to laugh when i read my post that came trough a minute ago. Boy

>did i make a typo putting I'd been taking hormones for 52 years since my

>hysterectomy. That would mean i started on them at age 4 it should have

>read 32 years. sorry about that

Unfortunately, some DO start when they're kids. I'm thinking of babies and

toddlers who are offered things like soy milk. It's my understanding that

soy products are quite high in naturally-occuring estrogen-like chemicals.

In fact I'd read that an infant getting soy milk instead of regular formula

is getting the equivalent of two birth control pills a day.... I'm not

certain if this is still so or not.

sky

[Guest guest]

I was wondering about that. But I couldn't think of a diplomatic way to

ask how old you were, smile.

Vicki

Re: A Question for the ladies

> Hi folks;

> I had to laugh when i read my post that came trough a minute ago. Boy

> did i make a typo putting I'd been taking hormones for 52 years since

> my

> hysterectomy. That would mean i started on them at age 4 it should

> have

> read 32 years. sorry about that

> KK

>

>

>

> Kathy Keef wrote:

>

>>Yes i have Type 2 and take hormones. haven't heard till now there may

>>be

>>a problem between taking the hormones and high blood sugars but it is

>>something to consider. Although if i were to stop taking all the

>>prescription medication that is known to cause higher blood ssugar I'd

>>probably have another stroke from high blood pressure and difenantly

>>would be less comfortable so life may not be so worth living without

>>these meds so have to take that into consideration. Will talk to my

>>Dr

>>about the hormone effect next time i am in because that is one of the

>>meds i really don't think is doing a lot i still have the symptoms i

>>had

>>before starting on them 52 years ago after my hysterectomy.

>>Kathy K

>>

[Guest guest]

Kat,

The hormone question has long been a question without diabetes. In

my hormone needing life (almost 40 years) and living " all over " I

have run into difficulties in cycles. When I first felt that I

needed hormones, because of misc. problems the doctors always told

me " no, it might " ..whatever. Even though I had had a hysterectomy

it might cause uterine cancer, which no one could explain to me.

Terrible hot flashes and " no " again it might…always something. Then

at age 38 I fell from a ladder which caused a spinal fracture. The

orthopedist who cared for that told me I must have them if I wanted

to be around for long. He said the typical 65 year old, and I was a

long way from that, fractures a hip and typically dies in 6 months.

He said the gyns see cancer deaths, he sees broken bone. With that I

phoned until I found a gyn who was willing to evaluate me on an

individual basis and prescribe them. They can find numerous reasons

not to prescribe hormones and it looks like diabetics are warned

against everything. The current thinking with doctors I see seems to

be that women should try to get by without hormones but when there

are other problems use the lowest effective dose. At 72 I have not

taken any for about 4 years I think. But Fosamax has taken care of

my bone problems and I no longer have the other ones that caused me

distress. Check out Plavix or something along that line to minimize

the blood clot/stroke potential. My hypoglycemic sister age 83 still

takes the higher dose of Premarin because when she does not take it

she has heartbeat irregularities. Diabetes is only one of many

potentials that can be related in some manner to hormones. Hopefully

you will find a doctor who is willing to help you weigh the benefits

against possible other problems regardless of what they are.

Sometimes in life it seems you must choose your poisons. I certainly

know how estrogen can effect the quality of life.

All my above comments are regarding estrogen. Progesterone, a common

hormone prescribed in hormone replacement therapy (HRP) for those who

have not had a hysterectomy, with me is an entirely different

critter. Once there was a definite breast cancer scare with me and

they instantly gave me a progesterone shot which was to last one

month even though they did breast surgery in 2 days. They followed

that up with oral progesterone. I had never had my weight be near

the top of " normal " but that first month I gained 10 pounds, and 10

pounds the next month all in my waist. Then I find that not only

should I not have had the progesterone but had I been taking it

before it should have been stopped. It was then discontinued and

after weeks and much effort I lost 10 of those pounds but never was

able to loose that 2nd 10. For years I fought that 10 pounds and

finally decided to live with it. That still left me within a good

weight range but it still makes me angry to think that I was given

that when it should not have been at all.

BVan (Betty)

>

I went to my gyno this week and he wants me to discontinue

> my hormones. He says that there is a higher risk of blood clots

and

> stroke if you take hormones and are diabetic. I do NOT want to

stop my hrmones. I think that stopping them will change the quality

of my life so much

> that I am willing to take the risks. I know one woman who is in

her

> 70s and still takes her hormones.

>

> Kat

>

[Guest guest]

When I read that, my thought was wow she is old, but still in there

kicking.

BVan (Betty)

>

> Hi folks;

> I had to laugh when i read my post that came trough a minute ago. Boy

> did i make a typo putting I'd been taking hormones for 52 years since

my

> hysterectomy.

[Guest guest]

a, byetta works, in part, by prodding the pancreas to produce more

insulin. I think my pancreas was overtaxed and I am not getting the

support I was getting from it pre-byetta. I lost no weight and was not

able to reduce my insulin. Now I am using more insulin than I was

before. My poor pancreas keeps trying, and my numbers fluctuate much

more than they did pre-byetta.

I was diagnosed in 1983, with what I know now, it was bad for about a

year and a half before that. Who knows how many years before that it was

just mild and I had no symptoms. Since being diagnosed, I have not

always had good control, particularly for two or three years after I lost

my first husband.

Byetta is better for people with more beta cells than I have.

Helen

[Guest guest]

Betty,

Thank you so much for your thoughts on this. I have some second opinion

appointments set up for next month and hopefully I will know what to do by then.

Kat

[Guest guest]

have a great day. i am behind you i am nearly 67.i like these good old days.

paula42662@... wrote:

In a message dated 12/18/2005 2:24:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time,

jlnhjm@... writes:

>I will be 68 tomorrow.

Happy birthday!!! I hope you have a wonderful day!

[Guest guest]

Actually the dr is correct. If you are diabetic you should not be

taking hormones. Is this someone you have gone to for a long time and

have trusted in the past?

Do some online research to find out as well. I had one dr recommend me

taking hormones but my previous dr is the one who said no way. So I

researched it myself and decided not to take them. My mom who has taken

hormones for decades was also taken off of them not because of diabetes

but because of liver disease and risks of stroke and blood clots. She

didn't have any problems getting off either.

>I went to my gyno this week and he wants me to discontinue

>my hormones. He says that there is a higher risk of blood clots and

>stroke if you take hormones and are diabetic. I do NOT want to stop my

>hormones.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi! Welcome to the over the hill gang, LOL!!!!!!!!! I will be 69 in January.

Happy

birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!

ml

rachel day wrote:

> have a great day. i am behind you i am nearly 67.i like these good old days.

>

> paula42662@... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/18/2005 2:24:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time,

> jlnhjm@... writes:

>

>

>>I will be 68 tomorrow.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi! Welcome to the over the hill gang, LOL!!!!!!!!! I will be 69 in January.

Happy

birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!

ml

rachel day wrote:

> have a great day. i am behind you i am nearly 67.i like these good old days.

>

> paula42662@... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/18/2005 2:24:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time,

> jlnhjm@... writes:

>

>

>>I will be 68 tomorrow.

>

>

[Guest guest]

aren,t we lucky? we must be doing something right,i meant eating right.have a

great christmas.

ml dovup21@...> wrote: Hi! Welcome to the over the hill gang,

LOL!!!!!!!!! I will be 69 in January. Happy

birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!

ml

rachel day wrote:

> have a great day. i am behind you i am nearly 67.i like these good old days.

>

> paula42662@... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/18/2005 2:24:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time,

> jlnhjm@... writes:

>

>

>>I will be 68 tomorrow.

[Guest guest]

Over the hill? What hill? I don't remember any hill!

But I was 67 in November.

Jo in Sunny Minnesota

----- Original Message -----

> Hi! Welcome to the over the hill gang, LOL!!!!!!!!! I will be 69 in

> January. Happy

> birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!

> ml

>

> rachel day wrote:

>> have a great day. i am behind you i am nearly 67.i like these good old

>> days.

>>

>> paula42662@... wrote:

>> In a message dated 12/18/2005 2:24:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time,

>> jlnhjm@... writes:

>>

>>

>>>I will be 68 tomorrow.

[Guest guest]

At 12:28 PM 12/19/05, ml wrote:

>Hi! Welcome to the over the hill gang, LOL!!!!!!!!! I will be 69 in

>January. Happy

>birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't belong to many email lists where I feel like the young one. I'll be

67 next April.

sky

[Guest guest]

they call us over the hill,but i tell my friends i am having most fun since i

hit 60.and still can kick a little. be 67 -june 11.

ml dovup21@...> wrote: OH, maybe you are correct Jo. I feel like I am

still climbing slowly. Ha Ha!!!

ml

Jo wrote:

> Over the hill? What hill? I don't remember any hill!

>

> But I was 67 in November.

>

> Jo in Sunny Minnesota

[Guest guest]

Jo, I don't remember going up any hill either, but I can sure feel the

slide down!

But I am still alive, still able to shop, my passion, still think, walk,

and enjoy things. And I am most grateful for this list for the support

it gives me, as well as the opportunity to be useful when newbies join us.

Helen

[Guest guest]

i am so glad to know that there are many seniors in this site.i can relate to

you all, been there. now got to plan an evening meal. got to prick the finger

first.

Helen Mueller jlnhjm@...> wrote: Jo, I don't remember going up any

hill either, but I can sure feel the

slide down!

But I am still alive, still able to shop, my passion, still think, walk,

and enjoy things. And I am most grateful for this list for the support

it gives me, as well as the opportunity to be useful when newbies join us.

Helen

[Guest guest]

You got that right Bea. My little yard has tons of them, sigh!!! I just got back

from the doctor and my results were pretty good.

My a1c was 5.9 (up a little); Blood pressure 140/86 (higher)so he wants me to

keep

track for awhile; weight 252 down from 263 (surprise); Lipid Profile 90; HDL-C

49;

triglycerides 110; total cholesterol 149; microalbumin <30. He gave me poop test

cards; and want me to do another sigmodoscopy when I am in the mood.

And Gretchen, he thanked me for your book (Christmas present) and thinks it has

good common sense. I wrote in the cover that maybe he might see something new to

share with patients or recommend the book and that it has helped lots of people.

So I thought that was a pretty good response.

ml

Bea Pullar wrote:

> They're all molehills!

>

> Was 68 in October

>

> Bea

>

>

[Guest guest]

So we're all admitting to our age, huh. I guess I'm just a kiddo, will

be 62 on Wednesday, and if I ever get over this cold/cough thing I'll

see if I can find the hill.

CarolR

Bea Pullar wrote:

> They're all molehills!

[Guest guest]

I must be the baby of the family, a mere youngster at 50 - though somedays

it feels a heck of a lot older.

Rob

Re: A Question for the ladies

> So we're all admitting to our age, huh. I guess I'm just a kiddo, will

> be 62 on Wednesday, and if I ever get over this cold/cough thing I'll

> see if I can find the hill.

>

> CarolR

>

> Bea Pullar wrote:

>> They're all molehills!

[Guest guest]

i am having better time and healthly too then when i was 50. i am not

stressed out like was then. look what you got to look forward too. good holiday

to all.

Rob Fearnley RobFearnley@...> wrote: I must be the baby of the

family, a mere youngster at 50 - though somedays

it feels a heck of a lot older.

Rob

[Guest guest]

I was 66 in August. There seem to be a bunch of us going over the hill

at about the same time. Sue

> Over the hill? What hill? I don't remember any hill!

>

> But I was 67 in November.