pins and needles

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In a message dated 4/23/02 4:48:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

lasorrell@... writes:

> Hi all, does anyone know whether " pins and needles " can be a symptom

> of enzymes? (I hope you call it that in the US because I haven't a

> clue how to translate if you don't - you know, that funny tingly

> feeling you can get in your arms/legs etc. if you've been lying in

> one place for too long.)

>

>

I *think* this is generally indicative of a circulatory problem. You might

want to check into that if the symptoms are chronic or causing problems or

dizziness.

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,

If your daughter is on vitamin B6, I would stop that immediately.

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> My daughter keeps complaining of pins and needles and they seem to

be coming and going, not necessarily when she has been lying on that

> part of the body. (e.g. we were at the cinema on Saturday and she

> suddenly complained pins and needles had just appeared in her foot).

Not usually from enzymes. Could be from a high B vitamin supplement.

Is she taking any thing like that? Especially if she is taking high B

with enzymes. If so, drop the high B stuff for a few days and see if

it goes away. If not, try adding magnesium. Magnesium helps muscles

relax and treats " spasms " . I get " twitching " in my legs if I don't

keep the magnesium up.

.

As a footnote, I used to take Baclofen, a prescription med to help

with muscle relaxation. It really helped, but I find the magnesium

citrate does almost an equal job of it.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for both replies - my daughter has been taking a

multivitamin/mineral supplement and I actually only yesterday gave

her a B complex for the first time - she has terrible anxiety about

loads of things and a couple of people had advised me to try adding a

B complex. SO, where does that leave me!

(The pins and needles have been happening for a few weeks, and she is

a child who has ALWAYS complained of lots of pains etc. in her arms

and legs. She is 8 now).

Suppose I'd better not add the B complex then - anything else I

should check? Could it be something else serious?

Grateful for any advice.

> > My daughter keeps complaining of pins and needles and they seem

to

> be coming and going, not necessarily when she has been lying on

that

> > part of the body. (e.g. we were at the cinema on Saturday and

she

> > suddenly complained pins and needles had just appeared in her

foot).

>

> Not usually from enzymes. Could be from a high B vitamin

supplement.

> Is she taking any thing like that? Especially if she is taking high

B

> with enzymes. If so, drop the high B stuff for a few days and see

if

> it goes away. If not, try adding magnesium. Magnesium helps muscles

> relax and treats " spasms " . I get " twitching " in my legs if I don't

> keep the magnesium up.

>

> .

>

> As a footnote, I used to take Baclofen, a prescription med to help

> with muscle relaxation. It really helped, but I find the magnesium

> citrate does almost an equal job of it.

[Guest guest]

Okay, like everything else, this gets confusing so I'm sorry to add

more to it but...I had this problem a few weeks ago and happened to

be seeing my doctor for something else. I asked and she said

sometimes a B12 deficiency can cause this. We were drawing blood

anyway so she said she'd have them check. That wasn't my problem,

but something to consider. Maybe you could look up B12 deficiency on

a search engine and see if it comes up.

Laurie

> > > My daughter keeps complaining of pins and needles and they seem

> to

> > be coming and going, not necessarily when she has been lying on

> that

> > > part of the body. (e.g. we were at the cinema on Saturday and

> she

> > > suddenly complained pins and needles had just appeared in her

> foot).

> >

> > Not usually from enzymes. Could be from a high B vitamin

> supplement.

> > Is she taking any thing like that? Especially if she is taking

high

> B

> > with enzymes. If so, drop the high B stuff for a few days and see

> if

> > it goes away. If not, try adding magnesium. Magnesium helps

muscles

> > relax and treats " spasms " . I get " twitching " in my legs if I

don't

> > keep the magnesium up.

> >

> > .

> >

> > As a footnote, I used to take Baclofen, a prescription med to

help

> > with muscle relaxation. It really helped, but I find the

magnesium

> > citrate does almost an equal job of it.

[Guest guest]

I had this as a child: always having my arms and legs either numb or with pin

and needles. This was really severe as I had it all day long and every day.

It went away after a year by itself. I would say I had poor circulation. This

was extremely bothersome. Also, a pinched nerve somewhere in the body and/or

the spinal area can cause this. You might try rubbing different muscle areas to

see if relief is sought. You may be surprised to find little " knots " in the

muscles leading to this disorder. If you find little knots, these are the ones

that need to be worked on by rubbing them every day. It is like something

pressing on a nerve. As they get smaller, circulation increases and symptoms

decrease. You may want to use a creme like cocoa butter, etc. so you can feel

the " knots " better and to help the rubbing. This is my two cents' worth. I

help my husband with this " rubbing therapy " when he throws too many boxes at

the post office,and his circulation gets bad. You may also want to see a

chiropractor. By the way, I don't know if this is a symptom of enzymes or not.

Maybe someone else knows. Rose

Re: [ ] Pins and needles

In a message dated 4/23/02 4:48:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

lasorrell@... writes:

> Hi all, does anyone know whether " pins and needles " can be a symptom

> of enzymes? (I hope you call it that in the US because I haven't a

> clue how to translate if you don't - you know, that funny tingly

> feeling you can get in your arms/legs etc. if you've been lying in

> one place for too long.)

>

>

[Guest guest]

These could very well be the sign of low calcium and magnesium.

Also, high anxiety (the blood vessels will be sort of 'contracting from

anxiety').

Where exactly are they? End of fingers? Or where? I am not meant to scare

you, but they are also sometimes (very unlikely) the sign of multiple

sclerosis.

My husband had these symptoms and regular calcium/magnesium supp helped him.

After 3-5 month of taking the supp he is now nearly 100%. If not taking it,

his pins and needles are back in a day!!!

It is also from anxiety. But low calcium/magnesium is linked with anxiety.

Here, we have a chicken and egg problem or maybe a vicious cycle. Anxiety

depletes calcium/magnesium, low calc/mag causes anxiety. Which came first is

a question, but then they cause each other.

Then you also have the 'injured metal transportation' problem coming from

mercury poisoning, which jeopardises the absorbtion and transport of

calcium/magnesium to the required nerve tissue. Maybe this came first. Then

the depletion. Then the anxiety. Cycle closed and maintained infinitely.

Answer: supplementation, chelation, psychological methods to deal with and

avoid anxiety.

Elvira

Mebourne,

Australia

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply, Elvira.

My daughter does indeed have a lot of anxiety - she wont sleep over

at friends houses, is terried the house is going to catch fire while

we're asleep, goes crazy if you try and shut a door so she

feels " trapped " in a room (unless an adult she trusts is in with her)

etc. etc.

I was talking, informally, to a friend last night who is a Consultant

Dermatologist, and she frightened me about giving different

supplements, saying how using even multivitamin/mineral supplements

can throw the body out of synch and people just dont seem to realise

that giving the body substantial doses of any substance can cause

problems. She told me of a patient of hers who took various

different health food supplements, and ended up in a coma because the

liver had shut down or something. She is DEAD against me giving

enzymes, and said the only way I should give my children any form of

vitamins/minerals or supplements is if they are having regular blood

tests to monitor exactly what is going on, what deficits or surfeits

there may be. I know that sounds sensible advice, but for a start I

couldn't get my son to have a blood test - he has to see a special

dentist because of his terror of pain, and he's never even had

anything done other than a check up. I'm in the UK - can you just go

and demand regular blood tests for your children to monitor their

status regarding vitamins etc.? I'd be very surprised if it's that

easy.

I'm feeling so unsure of which way I should turn. Should I start

giving my daughter calcium and magnesium supplements? Could it do

harm? As I said in an earlier post, I have literally just bought a

vitamin B complex which I was going to start giving my daughter, to

help with anxiety as someone else had advised me. Advice on the pins

and needles is to cut out Vit B6.

Also, something else is worrying me - she has had a bad neck for the

past couple of mornings - could this be linked?

Grateful for further advice anyone.

> These could very well be the sign of low calcium and magnesium.

> Also, high anxiety (the blood vessels will be sort of 'contracting

from

> anxiety').

>

> Where exactly are they? End of fingers? Or where? I am not meant to

scare

> you, but they are also sometimes (very unlikely) the sign of

multiple

> sclerosis.

>

> My husband had these symptoms and regular calcium/magnesium supp

helped him.

> After 3-5 month of taking the supp he is now nearly 100%. If not

taking it,

> his pins and needles are back in a day!!!

>

> It is also from anxiety. But low calcium/magnesium is linked with

anxiety.

> Here, we have a chicken and egg problem or maybe a vicious cycle.

Anxiety

> depletes calcium/magnesium, low calc/mag causes anxiety. Which came

first is

> a question, but then they cause each other.

>

> Then you also have the 'injured metal transportation' problem

coming from

> mercury poisoning, which jeopardises the absorbtion and transport of

> calcium/magnesium to the required nerve tissue. Maybe this came

first. Then

> the depletion. Then the anxiety. Cycle closed and maintained

infinitely.

> Answer: supplementation, chelation, psychological methods to deal

with and

> avoid anxiety.

>

> Elvira

> Mebourne,

> Australia

[Guest guest]

,

Just for peace of mind, you may want to take her to a GP/Neurologist for the

problem. Pins and needles and a bad neck every morning could quite possibly be

unrelated, but you need to make sure.

Just a thought.

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> I was talking, informally, to a friend last night who is a

Consultant

> Dermatologist, and she frightened me about giving different

> supplements, saying how using even multivitamin/mineral supplements

> can throw the body out of synch

Yes, this is why I personally do not advise giving mega-doses of

anything.

and people just dont seem to realise

> that giving the body substantial doses of any substance can cause

> problems.

Makes you wonder why they inject toxic mercury into little infants'

bodies, doesn't it? Or give 3-6 vaccinations all at the same time?

But then substantial doses of any substance can also mean substantial

doses of food, and we all do that, don't we? What about air? Do you

breathe pure air?

She told me of a patient of hers who took various

> different health food supplements, and ended up in a coma because

the

> liver had shut down or something.

This is why I always advocate never giving your child ANY supplement

without first researching it yourself. Don't rely on doctors, even

trustworthy doctors, to guide you without doing your own research

first.

> She is DEAD against me giving

> enzymes,

What about giving your child gluten and casein? Is your child gfcf?

Many people believe it is giving children poison. But then, many

people believe completely removing entire groups of foods is worse.

Everyone has a different opinion.

I can tell you that my own personal use of enzymes was both good and

bad. But if you start slowly [which I did not, for myself], and see

how your child reacts, it is NOT giving your child large doses of

enzymes. Would that sound better for you?

and said the only way I should give my children any form of

> vitamins/minerals or supplements is if they are having regular blood

> tests to monitor exactly what is going on, what deficits or surfeits

> there may be.

Did she offer to give you the money for doing this? Otherwise,

testing can be very informative, and if you can afford it, I would

recommend you at least do an initial test of your child's current

status.

But being " too cautious " and waiting for " all the information " is not

necessarily good either, your child is growing up now, and can't wait

forever.

> I'm feeling so unsure of which way I should turn. Should I start

> giving my daughter calcium and magnesium supplements? Could it do

> harm?

Well, we know these minerals are essential for children to develop.

What about starting with a low dose and see how your child reacts?

As I said in an earlier post, I have literally just bought a

> vitamin B complex which I was going to start giving my daughter, to

> help with anxiety as someone else had advised me. Advice on the

pins

> and needles is to cut out Vit B6.

Reduce vitamin B, I would not say to entirely eliminate it.

>

> Also, something else is worrying me - she has had a bad neck for the

> past couple of mornings - could this be linked?

Possibly.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks for replying, Dana. I just posted asking advice as to whether

it is ok to supplement magnesium without more calcium. The

multivitamin/mineral she has been taking for the past couple of

months is supplying 20% of RDA for both calcium and magnesium. If I

buy a supplement which supplies, say, 100% of each or more, should I

stop this multivitamin/mineral or won't it cause a problem?

Always grateful for MORE advice.....!

>

> > I was talking, informally, to a friend last night who is a

> Consultant

> > Dermatologist, and she frightened me about giving different

> > supplements, saying how using even multivitamin/mineral

supplements

> > can throw the body out of synch

>

>

> Yes, this is why I personally do not advise giving mega-doses of

> anything.

>

>

> and people just dont seem to realise

> > that giving the body substantial doses of any substance can cause

> > problems.

>

>

> Makes you wonder why they inject toxic mercury into little infants'

> bodies, doesn't it? Or give 3-6 vaccinations all at the same

time?

> But then substantial doses of any substance can also mean

substantial

> doses of food, and we all do that, don't we? What about air? Do

you

> breathe pure air?

>

>

> She told me of a patient of hers who took various

> > different health food supplements, and ended up in a coma because

> the

> > liver had shut down or something.

>

>

> This is why I always advocate never giving your child ANY

supplement

> without first researching it yourself. Don't rely on doctors, even

> trustworthy doctors, to guide you without doing your own research

> first.

>

>

> > She is DEAD against me giving

> > enzymes,

>

>

> What about giving your child gluten and casein? Is your child

gfcf?

> Many people believe it is giving children poison. But then, many

> people believe completely removing entire groups of foods is

worse.

> Everyone has a different opinion.

>

> I can tell you that my own personal use of enzymes was both good

and

> bad. But if you start slowly [which I did not, for myself], and

see

> how your child reacts, it is NOT giving your child large doses of

> enzymes. Would that sound better for you?

>

>

> and said the only way I should give my children any form of

> > vitamins/minerals or supplements is if they are having regular

blood

> > tests to monitor exactly what is going on, what deficits or

surfeits

> > there may be.

>

>

> Did she offer to give you the money for doing this? Otherwise,

> testing can be very informative, and if you can afford it, I would

> recommend you at least do an initial test of your child's current

> status.

>

> But being " too cautious " and waiting for " all the information " is

not

> necessarily good either, your child is growing up now, and can't

wait

> forever.

>

>

> > I'm feeling so unsure of which way I should turn. Should I start

> > giving my daughter calcium and magnesium supplements? Could it

do

> > harm?

>

>

> Well, we know these minerals are essential for children to

develop.

> What about starting with a low dose and see how your child reacts?

>

>

> As I said in an earlier post, I have literally just bought a

> > vitamin B complex which I was going to start giving my daughter,

to

> > help with anxiety as someone else had advised me. Advice on the

> pins

> > and needles is to cut out Vit B6.

>

>

> Reduce vitamin B, I would not say to entirely eliminate it.

>

>

> >

> > Also, something else is worrying me - she has had a bad neck for

the

> > past couple of mornings - could this be linked?

>

>

> Possibly.

>

> Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I think at least magnesium and B complex could help your daughter a lot. Of

course, other supplements would help her more, but it's your decision of

course, to give them or not.

As for you friend... I wonder if she considers eating a dangerous habit.

Valentina

[Guest guest]

> Hi ,

> I think at least magnesium and B complex could help your daughter a

lot. Of

> course, other supplements would help her more, but it's your

decision of

> course, to give them or not.

>

> As for you friend... I wonder if she considers eating a dangerous

habit.

>

>

> Valentina

Thanks Valentina.

I'd ask her, but I've had malignant melanoma myself and I NEED her

friendship, believe me!

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Yes! The bad neck can cause pins and needles!!!

Chiropractic help (or physio) is a definitely good thing to do.

When the neck is stiff, the neck vertebraes are slightly misaligned and they

are sort of pressing the nerves that go to the limbs. This condition can

also fix itself over time, but a chiropractic adjustment (maybe 3 to 5

times) would definitely speed it up and would stop the pins and needles

quicker.

As for the warnings from your friend, yes, it may happen to some people that

they do their supplementation in the wrong way, but I have never heard of

such case, it is very unlikely.

I think you friend is not helping you with these 'crow' voices, if your

daughter has AS, she will almost definitely present some mineral imbalances

and other problems that can be helped. She needs your help and she needs you

to act rather than be frozen out of fear!

Have a hair test done, if you want to do the best, do it with doctor's data

in the USA. With hair it is simple because you just send it in and pay by

credit card. It is the best because then all the counting rules for mercury

will also nicely apply to you (I had my son's hair test done in Australia

and now I have to do special things to apply the counting rules). If you

call them they will send you the kit for the hair test and also the info.

Their report I heard is very thorough.

In most cases though, especially if you are on a milk free soy free diet,

calcium and magnesium (and phosphate) supplementation is required. This

stuff is needed for the proper functioning of the nervous system, and unless

there is a severe problem with the body getting rid off the surpluss (eg

very compromised kidneys or liver), these supps would just go out of the

body. This is why it is better to supplement with ionic forms, because these

are easily absorbed and also can go through the kidneys without leaving a

deposit behind (too much calcium supp can cause kidney stones if

administered over a long period of time and it it is a form that is tiny

pieces rather then an ionic molecular form (eg calcium carbonate is not as

good). Either use liquid supp or an ionic powder dissolved in fluid. There

have been lots of discussions on this board about which calcium is the best.

What I use may not be the best, but it is ionic, well absorbs in hot water

(or tea), unfortunately not good tasting, but according to my sensitive

husband, it is still the best after trying many different forms (the name is

MagiCal). He gets it from the net. Try to find it by searching for Magical

calcium. Or find a liquid one.

With vitamins go slowly and one by one. Try vitamin C first, give 250 mg

once a day for a week and see if it causes any hyperness or any worsening of

the symptoms especially stimming. If yes, give just a little (50 mg) each

day. For this, it is also best to by the cheapest ascorbic acid powder (eg

100 g in a bag) and just add a tip of a teaspoon to one of the drinks (juice

or tea or just water).

Then try vitamin A and D (cod liver oil) just one a day after meal for a

week or two and then you may be able to reduce it to 1 every two days. If

anything gets worse for the first few days, it is ok to endure. You can not

cause any damage in a few days not even a few weeks. But if the worsening

does not start improving after eg 4 days, or even gets worse, stop the

vitamins.

If you want to try vitamin B-s, try B6 separately and work it up from nearly

0 in a 2 weeks period. Increase it every three days or something. It may or

may not be a problem for your child.

Zinc is nearly always beneficial as it has a role in regulating the other

metals eg iron and copper, sodium and potassium. It may be given once a day

for a week or two, then once every second day then one every three days.

If the body needs something, it may still react badly when it is given, just

because the body was in a bad balance and it is now thrown out. Things start

moving around, but eventually a new balance (hopefully a better balance)

will form and therefore it is always good to go gradually with everything.

Like up on the stairs. Or like up on a very mild slope where they built a

step top every 50 m-s, so you can go straight and then one step up and then

straight again and one step up. Do not look back until you are up the hill.

You did not feel going up at all, yet when you look back at the end, you

will see how much higher you are. You do not need to loose your breath this

way.

Our children will be much more happy to heal this way.

So, do not rush, but do not stop either. There is time and there is support,

your daughter does not have to go to coma due to vitamin or mineral

supplementation. You are much more alert to signs than that.

Enzymes are good to most children too, they however may be more dramatic to

start with. I am sure you can also increase your own confidence by starting

with something gentle but beneficial. Try calcium/magnesium, then epsom

salts first and then work out what else.

Or wait till your hair test is done. Some children with mercury poisoning

apparently display very high calcium and magnesium. Although I believe these

are lacking in most children, especially on milk and soy free diets. Plus,

even if soy milk or fortified rice milk is used, the calcium in those may

not be very absorbable, so it is better to have plain rice milk (original

rice dream) and give one of the best ionic supps.

There are lots of things to do:

1. mineral supplementation

2. vitamin supplementation

3. fatty acid supplementation

4. amino acid supplementation

5. diets (free this, free that, low in this, low in that, rich in this, rich

in that)

6. enzymes

7. yeast and/or bacteria combat (low carbo diet, GSE, colloidal silver and

probiotics supplementation)

8. chelation for mercury, lead or antimony (etc)

I am sure you will find your way to deal with the situation and you will be

able to help your daughter have a richer life.

THE BEST THING THAT HAPPENNED TO ME WAS THE enzymeandautism GROUP!!!!

I tried others before, but they just made me more depressed. This group is

positive, helpful and is just really ON the whole thing!!!!

Cheers and best of luck to you,

Elvira

Melbourne

[Guest guest]

> Thanks Valentina.

>

> I'd ask her, but I've had malignant melanoma myself and I NEED her

> friendship, believe me!

Hi ,

I know... I am sorry... I think I was just bitter

But I feel really bad hearing how doctors know how to scare us all the time

about how dangerous vitamins are. And I get really aggravated. I am amazed to

see how people take all kinds of drugs without even thinking about it twice,

and yet they get so scared taking vitamins.

I understand your worries, believe me. What I don't understand is doctors'

attitude.

I am really sorry to hear about your problem Really sorry If there is

anything I can help you with, please let me know.

Valentina

[Guest guest]

Hi Valentina, no problem! I feel much the same way as you - that

being overcautious and not doing ANYTHING cannot be considered

the " right answer " . It is for all of us to find out as much

information as we can and act on it as responsibly as we can.

Usually there IS no-one who can tell us the definitive " right

answers " as to what therapies, supplements etc. we should be trying

and we have to do the best we can to find our own solutions. I know

that - it's just hard sometimes trying to sift through all the

million and one bits of advice we are bombarded with, including that

of friends, to come to our own conclusions. A little self-doubt

creeps in for me at least sometimes.

Better start to the day today, so ever hopeful!

> > Thanks Valentina.

> >

> > I'd ask her, but I've had malignant melanoma myself and I NEED her

> > friendship, believe me!

>

> Hi ,

> I know... I am sorry... I think I was just bitter

> But I feel really bad hearing how doctors know how to scare us all

the time

> about how dangerous vitamins are. And I get really aggravated. I am

amazed to

> see how people take all kinds of drugs without even thinking about

it twice,

> and yet they get so scared taking vitamins.

> I understand your worries, believe me. What I don't understand is

doctors'

> attitude.

> I am really sorry to hear about your problem Really sorry If

there is

> anything I can help you with, please let me know.

>

>

> Valentina

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I know you will do the right thing for you and your daughter. I have no doubt

about it. I am sure whenever you will feel comfortable you will try some

things and have success with, and will also have a lot of disappointments

with other things. Many of us took a wrong turn somewhere along this awful

road and I'm sure many of us know that really bad feeling of " Man! I'm using

my child as a lab mouse " . It feels bad when us, parents, have to study to

become doctors without a diploma. But I know all of us here would do mostly

anything to save our kids, to help them, to give them back their lives.

I know you will be fine! And your daughter will be too. She's on good hands

Btw, Andy Cutler says (I read this from his book) that one of the signs of

severe arsenic poisoning is " pins and needles " . Other signs: " tender or

painful feet, pins and needles in the toes and feet, numbness and tingling of

the legs and feet, pain in the hands, weakness of the fingers, periods of

being unable to stand and peeling skin. "

Hope this helps , and... good luck!

Valentina

[Guest guest]

I wanted to share an experience with supplements.

I tend to get very anxious at times in the evenings and often find it very

difficult to go to sleep then. I have therefore at times tried supplements to

help me calm down and go to sleep. The first I tied was Magnesium. It helped and

I went to sleep easily, but woke up again with bad pins and needles in my arms.

I initially thought this was due to taking too much Magnesium, but even if I

took smaller doses some time later, I still got the pins and needles.

Next I tried Zinc. Again, it helped me to sleep and again I got pins and needles

in my arms (this time I think not until I had taken the Zinc for a few days).

Finally I tried St s Wort tea, same result, better sleep, but pins and

needles in my arms during the night. I reduced the dose, that I ended up with

just a quirt of tea from a dropper bottle. It still helps me sleep and one dose

will do not just one night, but at least the next two consecutive nights as

well, but for all those nights I also get the pins and needles.

I gradually got worried, because I am planning to chelate with ALA from end of

July and wondered what this will do.

Then my partner, who is an Teacher, pointed out that the pins and

needles might even be a good sign. He thinks there might be a lot of tension in

my shoulders, which might be released by taking supplements, which reduce my

anxiety. To him the pins and needles in my arms are a sign of my arms becoming

more alive. This makes sense to me, but I am not completely certain, that this

is what is going on (especially as the pins and needles happen days and days in

a row and last for a long time each night).

Has anybody else got some thoughts/experiences to share on this subject?

Dagmar.

[Guest guest]

I don't think there were any inactive ingredients in any of those supplements.

The Magnesium was pure magnesium oxide powder, the zinc was WaterOz and the tea

was just the herb with water and a tiny bit of honey added.

Dagmar.

This sounds like a negative reaction to one of the inactive

ingredients in the supplements. Is there any additive that is the

same for all these supplements?

Dana

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Could it be that it's not the supplements but something about the way you

are sleeping when you sleep more soundly?

From: " Dagmar " <dagmarjahr@...>

Reply-

Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:28:53 +0100

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Subject: Re: [ ] Re: pins and needles

I don't think there were any inactive ingredients in any of those

supplements. The Magnesium was pure magnesium oxide powder, the zinc was

WaterOz and the tea was just the herb with water and a tiny bit of honey

added.

Dagmar.

This sounds like a negative reaction to one of the inactive

ingredients in the supplements. Is there any additive that is the

same for all these supplements?

Dana

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I don't know for sure what causes it. Some of mine was nerve related, I did

nave a lot of blurry vision and brain problems also. I took alot of things

to get well and don't really know which one is responsible for getting rid

of the problem, a combo of things.

-- [ ] Pins and Needles

I have a question. I got lyme disease about 5 years ago. I have pins

and needles in my legs and my arms. It wasn't bad in the beginning,

but now it seems to have gotten worse. Is there any supplement or

prescription I can take to make this get any better? I would like to

know what causes this? Is it nerve damage or poor blood supply?

Thanks

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In a message dated 8/15/2005 5:14:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,

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Subject: Pins and Needles

I have a question. I got lyme disease about 5 years ago. I have pins

and needles in my legs and my arms. It wasn't bad in the beginning,

but now it seems to have gotten worse. Is there any supplement or

prescription I can take to make this get any better? I would like to

know what causes this? Is it nerve damage or poor blood supply?

Thanks

HELLO, this could be from the lyme as well as other things such as low b12

and iron causes these symptoms.... easy and cheap to rule out with a blood test

at the doc, and meanwhile you can take supplements, if you are low on b12

they can give you or you can do at home, shots..... I had terrible pins and

needles as well as stabbing nerve pain and the b12 and iron really

helped..... good luck, c in vt

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I have Lyme with neuro symptoms. I sometimes have pins and needles in my right

arm and sometimes both legs. For me, it means the nerves are irritated. I am

right handed so it helps me to try to use my left arm more. I also try to make

sure I don't let the arm hang down, and don't carry anything with weight in the

right hand, such as a grocery bag. I go to physical therapy every 1-2 weeks for

a microcurrent treatment that takes away almost all of the neuro symptoms. If

you tend to be tight in the shoulders and neck, a massager might help loosen up

the area and give you some relief. Also a magnesium and calcium supplement

helps me. Hope one of these ideas helps.

Margaret

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I too have that in my arms, legs and hands. Not sure what causes it,

if it's just the Lyme...had it before treatment and still have it with

treatment although not quite as bad. And it seems now to come and go...

Patty