Re: synthroid question

January 31, 2005

Hi . I can't answer the hyperventilation question personally--I

never had that. But I have heard the it's related to stress, which

in turn is connected to the adrenals, in one way or other.

I am thinking about the fact that you are tolerating the Synthroid

better than Armour. Because that means you are tolerating the T4,

which is a storage hormone, but not tolerating the direct T3, which

is the active hormone. Or, another way of looking at it is that the

direct T3 (vs. the T3 made from the conversion of the T4) is

aggravating something which is wrong in you. And your challenge will

always be to figure out what that something " wrong " is, and correct

it. Easier said than done--but I can be hopeful for you!! LOL.

Janie in SNOWY Colorado

>

> I have written here before but not recently. I originally started

> out with Armour, and quickly learned that I could not tolerate any

> amount of it as I would have serious hyper symptoms. So I switched

> to synthroid shortly after. I have been able to tolerate synthroid

> much better than Armour. My doc said that if I wanted to switch to

> Armour or part Armour and part syn at any time he would be ok with

> that. So having said all that I do have this problem that I don't

> know if it is synthroid related. Not all of the time, but sometimes

> I have what is like hyperventilation. I feel like I am over

> breathing. I experience it during the day and also at night while

> trying to sleep. It may last 24 hours or so, go away for a few days

> and then come back. I have slowly worked my way up to 100 mcgs of

> syn. Did any of you have this or a similar symptom on syn and then

> had it go away on Armour? Any advice would be helpful.

>

February 1, 2005

Hmm, right about the time I found out I did have thyroid issues, I was

hyperT/graves, but waiting on an Endo appt. My breathing wasn't really like

hyperventilating, but it was so bad, the nurse at the hospital asked me did I

have emphysema, or something. I told her no, I had thyroid problems, but was

waiting to see an Endo and she had no idea it could sound like I did. She

thought I had asthma. lol. I was also diagnosed with COPD because it was

easier than trying to find out what was really wrong. Have you ever had

Ferritin tested, or done any adrenal testing? I take adrenal support now, 5 mgs

a day, and it's made a world of difference these past several weeks. I didn't

do any testing, but this small amt from what I've been told isn't a problem. So

far, it's working right along with the naturethroid.

SandyE~Houston

P.S. Just a tidbit of info, most of us who go hyper were already hypoT, but had

butthead dr's who thought that 5.5 on the tsh test was just dandy. hehhe. :-)

synthroid question

Hi all,

I have written here before but not recently. I originally started

out with Armour, and quickly learned that I could not tolerate any

amount of it as I would have serious hyper symptoms. So I switched

to synthroid shortly after. I have been able to tolerate synthroid

much better than Armour. My doc said that if I wanted to switch to

Armour or part Armour and part syn at any time he would be ok with

that. So having said all that I do have this problem that I don't

know if it is synthroid related. Not all of the time, but sometimes

I have what is like hyperventilation. I feel like I am over

breathing. I experience it during the day and also at night while

trying to sleep. It may last 24 hours or so, go away for a few days

and then come back. I have slowly worked my way up to 100 mcgs of

syn. Did any of you have this or a similar symptom on syn and then

had it go away on Armour? Any advice would be helpful.

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February 1, 2005

Hi Sandy,

The last time my Ferritin was tested it was above the normal range,

but my IRON was in the normal range. The doctor was not concerned

about that.

You are taking 5 mgs of what? When I take DHEA I get very aggressive,

sarcastic, angry, hostile, etc.

The " hyperventilating " that I do is all internal. You would see

nothing out of the ordinary by observing me breathe. It is hard to

describe.

> Hmm, right about the time I found out I did have thyroid issues, I

was hyperT/graves, but waiting on an Endo appt. My breathing wasn't

really like hyperventilating, but it was so bad, the nurse at the

hospital asked me did I have emphysema, or something. I told her no,

I had thyroid problems, but was waiting to see an Endo and she had no

idea it could sound like I did. She thought I had asthma. lol. I

was also diagnosed with COPD because it was easier than trying to

find out what was really wrong. Have you ever had Ferritin tested,

or done any adrenal testing? I take adrenal support now, 5 mgs a

day, and it's made a world of difference these past several weeks. I

didn't do any testing, but this small amt from what I've been told

isn't a problem. So far, it's working right along with the

naturethroid.

>

> SandyE~Houston

>

> P.S. Just a tidbit of info, most of us who go hyper were already

hypoT, but had butthead dr's who thought that 5.5 on the tsh test was

just dandy. hehhe. :-)

> synthroid question

>

> Hi all,

>

> I have written here before but not recently. I originally started

> out with Armour, and quickly learned that I could not tolerate

any

> amount of it as I would have serious hyper symptoms. So I

switched

> to synthroid shortly after. I have been able to tolerate

synthroid

> much better than Armour. My doc said that if I wanted to switch

to

> Armour or part Armour and part syn at any time he would be ok

with

> that. So having said all that I do have this problem that I don't

> know if it is synthroid related. Not all of the time, but

sometimes

> I have what is like hyperventilation. I feel like I am over

> breathing. I experience it during the day and also at night while

> trying to sleep. It may last 24 hours or so, go away for a few

days

> and then come back. I have slowly worked my way up to 100 mcgs of

> syn. Did any of you have this or a similar symptom on syn and

then

> had it go away on Armour? Any advice would be helpful.

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

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>

February 1, 2005

Janie,

My personal feeling is that I want to get to my optimal dose of

synthroid, whatever that may be, and then tweek it a bit with some

small amount of Armour or whatever. My endo is very cooperative with

me and will do almost anything I ask.

I do appreciate your help.

in SUNNY Florida

>

> Hi . I can't answer the hyperventilation question personally--I

> never had that. But I have heard the it's related to stress, which

> in turn is connected to the adrenals, in one way or other.

>

> I am thinking about the fact that you are tolerating the Synthroid

> better than Armour. Because that means you are tolerating the T4,

> which is a storage hormone, but not tolerating the direct T3, which

> is the active hormone. Or, another way of looking at it is that the

> direct T3 (vs. the T3 made from the conversion of the T4) is

> aggravating something which is wrong in you. And your challenge

will

> always be to figure out what that something " wrong " is, and correct

> it. Easier said than done--but I can be hopeful for you!! LOL.

>

> Janie in SNOWY Colorado

> >

> > I have written here before but not recently. I originally started

> > out with Armour, and quickly learned that I could not tolerate any

> > amount of it as I would have serious hyper symptoms. So I switched

> > to synthroid shortly after. I have been able to tolerate synthroid

> > much better than Armour. My doc said that if I wanted to switch to

> > Armour or part Armour and part syn at any time he would be ok with

> > that. So having said all that I do have this problem that I don't

> > know if it is synthroid related. Not all of the time, but

sometimes

> > I have what is like hyperventilation. I feel like I am over

> > breathing. I experience it during the day and also at night while

> > trying to sleep. It may last 24 hours or so, go away for a few

days

> > and then come back. I have slowly worked my way up to 100 mcgs of

> > syn. Did any of you have this or a similar symptom on syn and then

> > had it go away on Armour? Any advice would be helpful.

> >

February 1, 2005

I had troubles with Synthroid that were like I was breathing plenty

but still could not get sufficient oxygen in. It was sort of like

breathing in a vacuum.

When I have low adrenal issues, I feel like everthing is racing and

my breathing is more like the feeling of taking a fast walk, where I

breathe deeper and more quickly to get more air.

I would guess that it could be adrenal. You could have T4 building

up slightly because your cortisol is low and then the adrenals kind

of catch up once in a while and you get a rush of conversion of T4

to T3 and then your metabolic rate really speeds up and you need

more air for it. Does this breathing thing happen during periods

where you sleep fairly well and and feel well just before?

Or it is possible the the Synthroid is not being well converted to

T3 because of the adrenal issues and you are starved for oxygen. The

reason you tolerate Synthroid better is because it is almost

inactive and in low adrenal situations, it would not be converted as

much T3 as you get with Armour. That means that it will be easier on

weak adrenals. But, the rest of your body can well be deprived of

energy and oxygen from low T3 levels.

Tish

February 1, 2005

Hi Tish,

Well, the night before last I slept really well. I got almost 9 hours

in. Then as I was lying in bed yesterday morning I started the

breathing thing. It lasted all day getting a little worse in the

afternoon. Last night as I was sleeping, it seemed as though my mind

was racing a bit. I went to bed at 10 and woke up at about 2:30am.

Stayed in bed wide awake until about 4 and then slept until about

7am. I don't seem to be doing the breathing thing so far today.

As far as my cortisol. That has always been just ABOVE the normal

range. My DHEA at last check was at 330, well within the normal

range.

>

> I had troubles with Synthroid that were like I was breathing plenty

> but still could not get sufficient oxygen in. It was sort of like

> breathing in a vacuum.

>

> When I have low adrenal issues, I feel like everthing is racing and

> my breathing is more like the feeling of taking a fast walk, where

I

> breathe deeper and more quickly to get more air.

>

> I would guess that it could be adrenal. You could have T4 building

> up slightly because your cortisol is low and then the adrenals kind

> of catch up once in a while and you get a rush of conversion of T4

> to T3 and then your metabolic rate really speeds up and you need

> more air for it. Does this breathing thing happen during periods

> where you sleep fairly well and and feel well just before?

>

> Or it is possible the the Synthroid is not being well converted to

> T3 because of the adrenal issues and you are starved for oxygen.

The

> reason you tolerate Synthroid better is because it is almost

> inactive and in low adrenal situations, it would not be converted

as

> much T3 as you get with Armour. That means that it will be easier

on

> weak adrenals. But, the rest of your body can well be deprived of

> energy and oxygen from low T3 levels.

>

> Tish

February 1, 2005

,

I do get this winded feeling and I'm on Armour. It mostly happens when I

climb stairs. My tests are showing that I'm on the hyper end but I have not

hyper symptoms other than being winded when I climb stairs. I don't think

it's hyper causing it though as it doesn't happen all the time.

LaCretia

>

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>Hi all,

>

>I have written here before but not recently. I originally started

>out with Armour, and quickly learned that I could not tolerate any

>amount of it as I would have serious hyper symptoms. So I switched

>to synthroid shortly after. I have been able to tolerate synthroid

>much better than Armour. My doc said that if I wanted to switch to

>Armour or part Armour and part syn at any time he would be ok with

>that. So having said all that I do have this problem that I don't

>know if it is synthroid related. Not all of the time, but sometimes

>I have what is like hyperventilation. I feel like I am over

>breathing. I experience it during the day and also at night while

>trying to sleep. It may last 24 hours or so, go away for a few days

>and then come back. I have slowly worked my way up to 100 mcgs of

>syn. Did any of you have this or a similar symptom on syn and then

>had it go away on Armour? Any advice would be helpful.

>

February 1, 2005

Shortness of breath was the thing that got me to the doctor. Because she

couldn't find anything really wrong, she drew blood just to see what happened.

Lo and behold, I was hypo! My TSH was 6, and she barely thought that worth

mentioning.

Laurie