Will have to combine both armour/synthroid

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In a message dated 1/18/2005 11:01:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,

melly@... writes:

> and I didnt know what to do because thats how everything started when I had

>

> myxedema coma, anyway my arms were both numbing up, so i woke up and took

> some

> synthroid and a few hours later the numbness on my head was all gone, and

> today I

> woke up feeling a whole lot better,

>

,

You should not be anywhere near myxedema coma if you are adequately treated.

Have you had Free T4 and Free T3 labs run? Those would be a very good

indicator for you so you have some idea of what the thyroid hormone you are

taking

is doing in your body.

Also, I'm still a little confused. Do you have Graves or Hashi's or do you

know? I know you had RAI but that's is usually for Graves folks. I don't know

if i've ever heard of a Hashi's person having that. Anybody know?

Cindi

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HI val, I am sorry if you do not belive me and think that its not possible to

feel better in one day.and even though I totally understand that you cant

feel 100% better in one day, however my numbness did go away, and I felt better

than I did and was able to sleep. so I am guessing that something in synthroid

must take it away, with armour my numbness is extreme and it hasnt been

helping me as much, so I think I will combine them both and see what happens.

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Hi Cindi, I was never ever told if i had graves/hashi by any of my endos all

I know is that I had HYPERTHYROID had RAI which later turned into HYPOTHYROID

and then had Myxedma coma a few months later. I guess hashimoto must have

caused the myxedema, I will get tested for it next week.

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Hi Joanie, Thanks for your reply

Anyway even though I understand synthroid takes a while to work, but all I

can tell you is that the numbness on my head went away, and nothing great

happened to me at night so that wasnt the cause LOL, anyway I am pretty sure

that

synthroid had alot to do with it since all I know is that my numbness went

away, in any case i wont argue about it, but of course it bothers me that people

doubt me, kinda sounds liek endo doctors, that you tell them all your going

through and they look at you like your crazy.

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Kathy, Oh well all I can tell you is that I felt better and No numbness, I

regret ever sharing that since now I feel like I do when I do to my doctors

office like a NUTCASE.

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, I think you do not understand thyroid hormones well. Hormones are very

different than drugs. It is not possible to feel the Synthroid in ONE day. For

that matter you won't feel the T4 in Armour for several weeks. This is why we

tell people top increase slowly. If you do not give the T4 a chance to show it's

actions in your system (over a few weeks time) you could have a dangerous build

up effect. T3 is different, it is in and out of your system quickly, so yes, you

can feel a difference in taking Armour pretty soon, but the best way to tell

what a thyroid med is doing (or not doing) for you is to take the same dosage

for several weeks.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

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Hi and a happy Tuesday morning to you! , Val wasn't

saying that she didn't believe you. She was just trying to tell you

that one dose of Synthroid cannot produce the results that you DID

get. Probably the results you got were due to something else, not

that one tablet of Synthroid. In other words, we DO believe you that

something great happened. But it probably wasn't the Synthroid that

did it. It was just coincidental.

Taking a Synthroid pill is not like taking an aspirin--in other

words, it cannot give you results in a few hours. A person " might "

feel some results from taking Synthroid in a week at the very least--

---and it takes at LEAST 4 weeks, and preferably 5-6, to feel the

full effect of the T4.

If your numbness in Armour is extreme, dear one, it's either you are

not taking anywhere near enough Armour, or there is something else

going on. Does that make sense?

Janie

> HI val, I am sorry if you do not belive me and think that its not

possible to

> feel better in one day.and even though I totally understand that

you cant

> feel 100% better in one day, however my numbness did go away, and

I felt better

> than I did and was able to sleep. so I am guessing that something

in synthroid

> must take it away, with armour my numbness is extreme and it hasnt

been

> helping me as much, so I think I will combine them both and see

what happens.

>

>

>

>

>

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It's not that I don;t believe you. It is that it is not possible for it to have

been the Synthroid.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

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is right. I was on synthroid for 7 weeks before I felt anything at all.

The little bit of relief that I did get didn't last long, about 3 weeks. Then,

I crashed and every one of my symptoms came back except my hair was not falling

out as much. That is the only symptom that Sythroid helped.

Kathy

Re: Will have to combine both

armour/synthroid

, I think you do not understand thyroid hormones well. Hormones are

very different than drugs. It is not possible to feel the Synthroid in ONE day.

For that matter you won't feel the T4 in Armour for several weeks. This is why

we tell people top increase slowly. If you do not give the T4 a chance to show

it's actions in your system (over a few weeks time) you could have a dangerous

build up effect. T3 is different, it is in and out of your system quickly, so

yes, you can feel a difference in taking Armour pretty soon, but the best way to

tell what a thyroid med is doing (or not doing) for you is to take the same

dosage for several weeks.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

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Hi . , you are not understanding. We DO believe you!!

We DO believe that you got the relief you stated. But we are trying

to tell you that there is nothing in Synthroid that could have

produced that. It's simply a very wonderful coincidence. Does that

make sense?? NO ONE believes you are crazy, dear one. How much

Armour are you on, ?? Janie

>

> Anyway even though I understand synthroid takes a while to work,

but all I

> can tell you is that the numbness on my head went away, and

nothing great

> happened to me at night so that wasnt the cause LOL, anyway I am

pretty sure that

> synthroid had alot to do with it since all I know is that my

numbness went

> away, in any case i wont argue about it, but of course it bothers

me that people

> doubt me, kinda sounds liek endo doctors, that you tell them all

your going

> through and they look at you like your crazy.

>

>

>

>

>

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Actually, when I switched from Cytomel to Armour I could tell the

difference within a couple of days, as I recall, so I can believe you

might feel something overnight. I gradually replaced each 5mcg Cytomel

with 1/2 grain Armour, which has the same amount of T3, so I can only

assume it was the T4 that was making the difference. I wonder if maybe

it doesn't depend on how good a T4->T3 converter you are.

I think the point of what people are saying isn't that you are crazy

(even if you are, you're in good company here :-), but that you

shouldn't assume that Synthroid is any better of a source of T4 than

Armour. Presumably, taking an equivalent amount of Armour would have

given you the same benefit as the Synthroid. That said, everyone is

different, and whatever works is what you should do. But when you find

something that seems to work, be sure to try it a few times to make sure

it wasn't a coincidence, and also try different things to see if they

work better or worse. Unfortunately, we're all in the position of

having to be not only our own doctors, but our own researchers,

pharmacists, and psychoanalysts.

Good luck. We're all in this together!

-- prr

melly@... wrote:

Hi Joanie, Thanks for your reply

Anyway even though I understand synthroid takes a while to work, but all

I

can tell you is that the numbness on my head went away, and nothing

great

happened to me at night so that wasnt the cause LOL, anyway I am pretty

sure that

synthroid had alot to do with it since all I know is that my numbness

went

away, in any case i wont argue about it, but of course it bothers me

that people

doubt me, kinda sounds liek endo doctors, that you tell them all your

going

through and they look at you like your crazy.

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Not having adequate thyroid replacement causes myxedema. It is the

end-stage of HYPOthyroidism. With a TSH of around 50, you are seriously

HYPO.

Val

From: melly@...

Hi Cindi, I was never ever told if i had graves/hashi by any of my endos all

I know is that I had HYPERTHYROID had RAI which later turned into

HYPOTHYROID

and then had Myxedma coma a few months later. I guess hashimoto must have

caused the myxedema, I will get tested for it next week.

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I am soooooooo sorry . I didn't mean to imply that you didn't feel

better. I was just saying that it took 7 weeks for Synthroid to have any real

effect on me. Just trying to give you encouragement to stay on the Armour.

Ask , I would email her privately and tell her that the Armour was not

working for me and she would have to give me that " pep " talk. I really know in

my heart that Armour is the best, but I get so discouraged when I am not feeling

any better. I'm just to impatient. I've lost to many years, and I don't want

to loose another minute of my life, like so many of us.

Take care,

Kathy

Re: Will have to combine both

armour/synthroid

, dear one, I'm going to try one more time, then I'll have to

leave it alone. No one, no one, is calling you a nutcase. Everyone

believes you when you say you felt beter and had no numbness!! We

are just trying to explain that it may have been something else that

made you feel better and get relief from the numbness, because T4 in

Synthroid doesn't act that fast. But we are GLAD you got that

relief! Janie )

> Kathy, Oh well all I can tell you is that I felt better and No

numbness, I

> regret ever sharing that since now I feel like I do when I do to

my doctors

> office like a NUTCASE.

>

>

>

>

>

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.I am having a very off day myself.I could almost swear

that I am hyper.I am anxious,my legs ache,my shoulder is killing me.I

have a pain on my back that is causing boob pain,ear ringing is killing

me.What I am saying since my switch I have not been well either.I went

very veery hypo .My TSH was 99.44 and my free t4 did not excist and my

t3 was barely there..My last bloodwork showed that my TSH has come up to

74 but no change on my t4 or t3..I am new to all this .I had RAI done 11

years ago..I do know that you have to stay on one med for a few weeks so

that it can get into your system and able to get bloodwork done..You are

not a NUTCASE.......Betty

melly@... wrote:

> Kathy, Oh well all I can tell you is that I felt better and No

> numbness, I

> regret ever sharing that since now I feel like I do when I do to my

> doctors

> office like a NUTCASE.

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