Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Shannara, that is an interesting point. There were at least two people posting here not so long ago about sons. It says in the literature that the bipolar disorder is about equal in males and females - so I would think it would be similar for BPD. Maybe girls get so wild because their hormonal cycle plays into it. On the other hand the way our society works is more suppoertive of boys. Maybe they find it esier to fit in, get a job that provides needed structure. Or maybe the relationship between mothers and sons is not so intense so there is not so much need for sharing and support. Milena Summer Sunderland shadoweve@...> wrote: I have not read anybody say they have a son with this problem. Don't boy's ever suffer with this? Shanara Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help, @.... SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT RESPOND ONLINE. Essential reading to help you feel better and understand the BP in your life are: • SWOE ( " Stop Walking on Eggshells”) and the SWOE Workbook (for everyone) • HOPE FOR PARENTS Call 888-35-SHELL () to order your copies. From Randi Kreger, Owner of BPDCentral and the WTO Online Community Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Hi Shanara, I have a 25yr. old son who's been diagnosed with bipolar 2/bpd, obsessive-compulsive disorder & anxiety. In hindsight, the bpd traits were apparent at a young age, but I just didn't know what to call it. The good news - after a horrific 18 months of self-abuse (cutting), suicide threats, raging, crippling depression one day and anxiety attacks the next, he's settled down. A combination of medications (heavy duty) & counseling seem to have stabilized him. Thank God ! Just today he phoned to chat. We had a nice conversation, remembering some of the cute things he said and did as a little guy. He also shared with me how he was obsessed last year with the fact that although 89% of people say they support organ transplants, only 11% are registered as donors. He said he had called the local transplant society numerous time, demanding to talk to the president. (Talk about grandiose ideas!!). They didn't put his calls through, but he said they always had him talk to the press representative of the society. He said he was doing this while he was " very sick " last year. So he does have some insight now as to how far off normal his actions, thoughts and words were. I believe that each and every one of us on this list did all we could do for our children while they were growing up, and that this is a disease caused partially by brain malfunction. I'll even go so far as to say that our children are the lucky ones with bpd, because we, as parents, are here ... trying to learn how to help them in a non-enabling way, and trying to be a support to others. We're drawn here by love for our children. Hang in there -- don't give up hope -- and take care of yourself. That's very important to the recovery of our children. It's not healthy for them to see us so consumed with their lives. Kinda feeds the monster, so to speak. Joan ----Original Message Follows---- Reply-To: WTOParentsOfBPs To: WTOParentsOfBPs Subject: About Boys..... Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 03:33:11 -0000 I have not read anybody say they have a son with this problem. Don't boy's ever suffer with this? Shanara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Joan- As an organ donation advocate for our state organ procurement agency (and a heart transplant recipient myself), I just thought I'd chirp in and tell you that in my experience, although people support donation, there seems to be far too much misinformation about it and too many urban legends. Some people also have this unconcious feeling that if they sign up, they'll up and die soon afterward. If your son is truly passionate about this and not just activating out of bp mania, perhaps he can find out how to volunteer and help get people signed up as donors. I don't know what your state regulations are, if it's on your drivers license or you have a separate donation list (as in AZ), but every donation program needs as much help as they can. Tell hime I said " Thanks! " Boy, you outta hear my bpdd go off on whatever thing is under her saddle! Toni blue jay bluejay_01@...> wrote: Hi Shanara, I have a 25yr. old son who's been diagnosed with bipolar 2/bpd, obsessive-compulsive disorder & anxiety. In hindsight, the bpd traits were apparent at a young age, but I just didn't know what to call it. The good news - after a horrific 18 months of self-abuse (cutting), suicide threats, raging, crippling depression one day and anxiety attacks the next, he's settled down. A combination of medications (heavy duty) & counseling seem to have stabilized him. Thank God ! Just today he phoned to chat. We had a nice conversation, remembering some of the cute things he said and did as a little guy. He also shared with me how he was obsessed last year with the fact that although 89% of people say they support organ transplants, only 11% are registered as donors. He said he had called the local transplant society numerous time, demanding to talk to the president. (Talk about grandiose ideas!!). They didn't put his calls through, but he said they always had him talk to the press representative of the society. He said he was doing this while he was " very sick " last year. So he does have some insight now as to how far off normal his actions, thoughts and words were. I believe that each and every one of us on this list did all we could do for our children while they were growing up, and that this is a disease caused partially by brain malfunction. I'll even go so far as to say that our children are the lucky ones with bpd, because we, as parents, are here ... trying to learn how to help them in a non-enabling way, and trying to be a support to others. We're drawn here by love for our children. Hang in there -- don't give up hope -- and take care of yourself. That's very important to the recovery of our children. It's not healthy for them to see us so consumed with their lives. Kinda feeds the monster, so to speak. Joan ----Original Message Follows---- Reply-To: WTOParentsOfBPs To: WTOParentsOfBPs Subject: About Boys..... Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 03:33:11 -0000 I have not read anybody say they have a son with this problem. Don't boy's ever suffer with this? Shanara Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help, @.... SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT RESPOND ONLINE. Essential reading to help you feel better and understand the BP in your life are: • SWOE ( " Stop Walking on Eggshells”) and the SWOE Workbook (for everyone) • HOPE FOR PARENTS Call 888-35-SHELL () to order your copies. From Randi Kreger, Owner of BPDCentral and the WTO Online Community Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Thank you Joan. I am taking everything I read here to heart. It seems your son is one of the lucky ones. He is diagnosed and getting some serious help. Shanara > > Hi Shanara, > > I have a 25yr. old son who's been diagnosed with bipolar 2/bpd, > obsessive-compulsive disorder & anxiety. In hindsight, the bpd traits were > apparent at a young age, but I just didn't know what to call it. > > The good news - after a horrific 18 months of self-abuse (cutting), suicide > threats, raging, crippling depression one day and anxiety attacks the next, > he's settled down. A combination of medications (heavy duty) & counseling > seem to have stabilized him. Thank God ! > > Just today he phoned to chat. We had a nice conversation, remembering some > of the cute things he said and did as a little guy. He also shared with me > how he was obsessed last year with the fact that although 89% of people say > they support organ transplants, only 11% are registered as donors. > He said he had called the local transplant society numerous time, demanding > to talk to the president. (Talk about grandiose ideas!!). They didn't put > his calls through, but he said they always had him talk to the press > representative of the society. He said he was doing this while he was > " very sick " last year. So he does have some insight now as to how far off > normal his actions, thoughts and words were. > > I believe that each and every one of us on this list did all we could do for > our children while they were growing up, and that this is a disease caused > partially by brain malfunction. I'll even go so far as to say that our > children are the lucky ones with bpd, because we, as parents, are here ... > trying to learn how to help them in a non-enabling way, and trying to be a > support to others. We're drawn here by love for our children. > > Hang in there -- don't give up hope -- and take care of yourself. That's > very important to the recovery of our children. It's not healthy for them > to see us so consumed with their lives. Kinda feeds the monster, so to > speak. > > Joan > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: " Summer Sunderland " > Reply-To: WTOParentsOfBPs > To: WTOParentsOfBPs > Subject: About Boys..... > Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 03:33:11 -0000 > > I have not read anybody say they have a son with this problem. Don't > boy's ever suffer with this? > Shanara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 In a message dated 6/3/2006 11:35:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, shadoweve@... writes: I have not read anybody say they have a son with this problem. Don't boy's ever suffer with this? Shanara We did have one woman a while back w/a son. I forget her name, maybe Jean remembers? The one where she redid the basement for him to live, after the apartment she got for him didn't work out. DebbieL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Joan and Toni: Speaking of obsessive good works and your son working for organ donors awareness... the psych was telling me he tought some of the most successful people are bipolar types.. he said he thought Pres.Clinton was. About Boys..... Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 03:33:11 -0000 I have not read anybody say they have a son with this problem. Don't boy's ever suffer with this? Shanara Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help, @.... SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT RESPOND ONLINE. Essential reading to help you feel better and understand the BP in your life are: SWOE ( " Stop Walking on Eggshells) and the SWOE Workbook (for everyone) HOPE FOR PARENTS Call 888-35-SHELL () to order your copies. From Randi Kreger, Owner of BPDCentral and the WTO Online Community Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Debbie I don't remember her name but, there was the woman who had Lime Didease and her son's fiancee was jerking him around and he had stopped talking to his parents and then of course, Joan, who's son is doing well now. I think she posted in response. There was also a mother here last year and both her boys were in prison and had both been diagnosed BP. They probably just hide it better. Remember guys are " expected " to be aggressive in our society so some of this stuff in boys is probably just seen as " normal " annoying boy stuff. I think back to when I taught and there was one boy (5th grade) who definitely was showing signs of BP. Back then in the 70's he was just considered a bullying brat. Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Yes, because they are so energized and organized and clearminded when they are on the upswing, at least until things start breaking apart. That manic phase right before the wave begins to break at the peak is kinda cool. I find myself wishing I was so organized! But I do not want the pits on the other side!! Toni Randel lolxoxo444@...> wrote: Joan and Toni: Speaking of obsessive good works and your son working for organ donors awareness... the psych was telling me he tought some of the most successful people are bipolar types.. he said he thought Pres.Clinton was. About Boys..... Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 03:33:11 -0000 I have not read anybody say they have a son with this problem. Don't boy's ever suffer with this? Shanara Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help, @.... SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT RESPOND ONLINE. Essential reading to help you feel better and understand the BP in your life are: SWOE ( " Stop Walking on Eggshells) and the SWOE Workbook (for everyone) HOPE FOR PARENTS Call 888-35-SHELL () to order your copies. From Randi Kreger, Owner of BPDCentral and the WTO Online Community Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 I work in a treatment facility for emotionally disturbed deaf adolescents. We have several boys with an axis 2 diagnosis of boderline. The interesting thing is in the past (and even now) boys were not known as boderlines but rather sociopaths. Now the term sociopath is passe, now that has a new name which I honestly can't remember at the moment. Milena milenaoh@...> wrote: Shannara, that is an interesting point. There were at least two people posting here not so long ago about sons. It says in the literature that the bipolar disorder is about equal in males and females - so I would think it would be similar for BPD. Maybe girls get so wild because their hormonal cycle plays into it. On the other hand the way our society works is more suppoertive of boys. Maybe they find it esier to fit in, get a job that provides needed structure. Or maybe the relationship between mothers and sons is not so intense so there is not so much need for sharing and support. Milena Summer Sunderland shadoweve@...> wrote: I have not read anybody say they have a son with this problem. Don't boy's ever suffer with this? Shanara Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help, @.... SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT RESPOND ONLINE. Essential reading to help you feel better and understand the BP in your life are: • SWOE ( " Stop Walking on Eggshells”) and the SWOE Workbook (for everyone) • HOPE FOR PARENTS Call 888-35-SHELL () to order your copies. From Randi Kreger, Owner of BPDCentral and the WTO Online Community Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 I do believe that the term Sociopath still does hold true for those who truly suffer with the personality traits of Sociopathy. I am reading a book titled: The Sciopath Next Door by Martha Stout, PH,D. A very interesting read. True Sciopaths have very specific behavior patterns that in my opinion, are not akin to BPD. I certainly think some sciopaths can hve BPD tendencies but not so much the other way around. Sciopaths do not have any concept of love. The only thing that can even possibly come close to controling them is their own fears of being caught exhibiting behaviors that are not the norm. More importantly, they do not have a conscience. And that sets them apart of the rest of humankind. And my (limited at best) experience with BPD does NOT suggest that they have no conscience. Thats just my personal opinion...and subject to change as I learn more. I would be interested in seeing what everybody else thinks about this. Shanara I have not read anybody say they have a son with this problem. Don't > boy's ever suffer with this? > Shanara > > > > > > > Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help, @... SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT RESPOND ONLINE. > > Essential reading to help you feel better and understand the BP in your life are: > > • SWOE ( " Stop Walking on Eggshells " ) and the SWOE Workbook (for everyone) > • HOPE FOR PARENTS > > Call 888-35-SHELL () to order your copies. > > From Randi Kreger, Owner of BPDCentral and the WTO Online Community > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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