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Ariel,

Actually, I have to send the contract from work tomorrow. I don't have it

here at home on this computer. Hope you don't mind. I will send as soon as I

get to work.

DebbieL

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That sounds great to me, Elaine! I hope it goes well!

It would be nice if your daughter felt a little less " safe " with you, and

therefore showed a bit more of her best behavior. I think this will help her

to do that, and therefore she will simply do better herself.

It's funny how they have to be " forced " to do the right thing!

Helen

contract

Dear friends, I drafted the follwoing contract, amde changes with my

psychologist and am now asking for your input. The idea of 2 is to separate

the drinking, drugs from the abuse and the parts are radically different

He thinsk it will help if she sees each as a consequence. Thanks

Contract between Susie and Her Mom

Contract 1. contents: this will come into effect whenever behavior is out

of control i.e. drunk, drugged, combative, non- responsive.

I will contact 911 and ask them to attend to Susie and assess the need

for hospitalization, medication, or just time to calm down and to notify me

when she is safe

I will NOT purchase or deliver food, cigarettes, or any other requests

until you are sober (24 hours)

I will contact Children's Services and alert them to the incident.

I will remove Carmika and bring her home with me or if she is with me

keep her until 911 or Emergency declares you as safe. If required I will

organize babysitting or bring her to daycare depending on time of day,

events of the day, etc

I will NOT answer my phone until I am alerted by 911 or emergency or for

24 hours that you are now sober

If you come to my apartment before I have been alerted that it is safe I

will call the Police and have you removed

I will NOT stay and cook, clean up your mess, etc

Contract 2. contents: this will come into effect whenever behavior is out

of control yelling, abusive, etc. I will determine when that time is. There

will be one opportunity to self correct before I implement the consequences.

The first incident I will NOT Answer my phone for one hour

The second incident I will NOT answer my phone for 2 hours

The third incident I will take away one babysitting service

If the behaviour continues I will only meet with you and a mediator to

discuss strategies that we can both work with

Good Luck Susie, I only want the best for you.

May there be peace on earth and may it begin with me and with each one of us

Elaine

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Hi Elaine,

If it's a contract, Susie will have to agree to sign

it. Even if she doesn't, I think you have every right

to enforce it, so maybe you should present it as what

you intend to do rather than something she needs to

agree to. There's not a thing you're asking her to do

for you -- you're just setting boundaries as to when

you will agree to help her. Once she reads this she

shouldn't be surprised when an ambulance shows up

instead of her mother to take care of everything for

her. (If she has been sober 24 hours, won't she be

capable of buying her own food and cigarettes? I'm

just asking. I don't know, of course.) Personally, I

like that you will either remove or continuing caring

for your granddaughter. It seems to me that will give

Carmika some peace of mind to know that no matter what

her mother does, her grandmother will take her home.

Good luck with this!! Here's praying for some peace

on the way!!

Deborah

--- A Friend helpbpdmom@...> wrote:

> Dear friends, I drafted the follwoing contract, amde

> changes with my psychologist and am now asking for

> your input. The idea of 2 is to separate the

> drinking, drugs from the abuse and the parts are

> radically different

> He thinsk it will help if she sees each as a

> consequence. Thanks

>

>

> Contract between Susie and Her Mom

>

>

>

>

> Contract 1. contents: this will come into effect

> whenever behavior is out of control i.e. drunk,

> drugged, combative, non- responsive.

>

>

> I will contact 911 and ask them to attend to

> Susie and assess the need for hospitalization,

> medication, or just time to calm down and to notify

> me when she is safe

>

>

> I will NOT purchase or deliver food, cigarettes,

> or any other requests until you are sober (24 hours)

>

>

> I will contact Children’s Services and alert them

> to the incident.

>

>

> I will remove Carmika and bring her home with me

> or if she is with me keep her until 911 or Emergency

> declares you as safe. If required I will organize

> babysitting or bring her to daycare depending on

> time of day, events of the day, etc

>

>

> I will NOT answer my phone until I am alerted by

> 911 or emergency or for 24 hours that you are now

> sober

>

>

> If you come to my apartment before I have been

> alerted that it is safe I will call the Police and

> have you removed

>

>

> I will NOT stay and cook, clean up your mess, etc

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Contract 2. contents: this will come into effect

> whenever behavior is out of control yelling,

> abusive, etc. I will determine when that time is.

> There will be one opportunity to self correct before

> I implement the consequences.

>

>

> The first incident I will NOT Answer my phone for

> one hour

> The second incident I will NOT answer my phone

> for 2 hours

> The third incident I will take away one

> babysitting service

> If the behaviour continues I will only meet with

> you and a mediator to discuss strategies that we can

> both work with

>

>

> Good Luck Susie, I only want the best for you.

>

>

>

>

> May there be peace on earth and may it begin with me

> and with each one of us

> Elaine

>

> ---------------------------------

> Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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In a message dated 1/2/2006 6:03:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

helpbpdmom@... writes:

Contract 1. contents: this will come into effect whenever behavior is out of

control i.e. drunk, drugged, combative, non- responsive.

Elaine,

This almost sounds as if you have accepted her bad behavior instead of

telling her straight up her bad behavior will no longer be tolerated. I made my

contract w/my daughter, BASED on her bad behavior, not accepting or anticipating

it. It told her right up front the behaviors are to be NO LONGER. The

consequences written in black and white, and much harsher.

You would be surprised at her reaction to your rules and boundaries and

consequences.

Don't be afraid to be stern.

Good luck.

DebbieL

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Kudoos to you, Elaine. You are very strong....

Carol

-------------- Original message --------------

> Dear friends, I drafted the follwoing contract, amde changes with my

> psychologist and am now asking for your input. The idea of 2 is to separate

the

> drinking, drugs from the abuse and the parts are radically different

> He thinsk it will help if she sees each as a consequence. Thanks

>

>

> Contract between Susie and Her Mom

>

>

>

>

> Contract 1. contents: this will come into effect whenever behavior is out of

> control i.e. drunk, drugged, combative, non- responsive.

>

>

> I will contact 911 and ask them to attend to Susie and assess the need for

> hospitalization, medication, or just time to calm down and to notify me when

she

> is safe

>

>

> I will NOT purchase or deliver food, cigarettes, or any other requests until

> you are sober (24 hours)

>

>

> I will contact Children’s Services and alert them to the incident.

>

>

> I will remove Carmika and bring her home with me or if she is with me keep

> her until 911 or Emergency declares you as safe. If required I will organize

> babysitting or bring her to daycare depending on time of day, events of the

day,

> etc

>

>

> I will NOT answer my phone until I am alerted by 911 or emergency or for 24

> hours that you are now sober

>

>

> If you come to my apartment before I have been alerted that it is safe I will

> call the Police and have you removed

>

>

> I will NOT stay and cook, clean up your mess, etc

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Contract 2. contents: this will come into effect whenever behavior is out of

> control yelling, abusive, etc. I will determine when that time is. There will

> be one opportunity to self correct before I implement the consequences.

>

>

> The first incident I will NOT Answer my phone for one hour

> The second incident I will NOT answer my phone for 2 hours

> The third incident I will take away one babysitting service

> If the behaviour continues I will only meet with you and a mediator to

> discuss strategies that we can both work with

>

>

> Good Luck Susie, I only want the best for you.

>

>

>

>

> May there be peace on earth and may it begin with me and with each one of us

> Elaine

>

> ---------------------------------

> Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos

>

>

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Hello friend,

I like your idea and gave it some thought. Below you will see I have

added a few words and taken out a few. I changed the order also. I

took out that you would take away one baby sitting as that seemed to

ify of when it would be and also that she would use it against you. I

changed the not answering the phone order so you can show faith that

she will inprove. This is just another verson of what you have already.

- blu_cricket

My Statement

This will come into effect whenever your behavior is out of control.

Such as yelling, being physically and or verbally abusive, etc. I will

determine when that time is. There will be one opportunity to self

correct before I implement the consequences. I will tell you when you

have this one chance.

The Consequences.

This will come into effect whenever behavior is out of control i.e.

drunk, drugged, combative, abusive or non- responsive.

I will NOT purchase or deliver food, cigarettes, or any other requests

until you are sober and/or in control of your behavior. (minimum 24 hours)

I will NOT stay and cook, clean up your mess, or see to your personal

needs.

I WILL contact 911 and ask them to attend to Susie and assess the need

for hospitalization, medication, or just time to calm down and to

notify me when she is safe.

AND I will remove Carmika and bring her home with me or if she is with

me keep her until you are in control of your behavior. If required I

will organize babysitting or bring her to daycare depending on time of

day, events of the day, etc

Unless notified by emergency services that your are in control of your

behavior I will NOT answer my phone.

The first incident I will NOT answer my phone for 24 hours.

The second incident I will NOT answer my phone for 2 hours.

The third incident I will NOT answer my phone for 1 hour.

The fourth incident I will NOT answer my phone for 24 hours.

If you come to my apartment before you are in control of your behavior

I will call the Police and have you removed.

If need be I will contact Children's Services and alert them to the

incident.

If the behavior continues I will only meet with you and a mediator to

discuss strategies that we can both work with concerning the safety of

Carmika and your willingness to control your behavior.

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To the author of the contract: good for you. It is clear and concise and

gives you the control to determine your own boundaries. I hope it is

successful for you, I used one on my daughter about 4 months ago and it has

made a huge change in our relationship and her own life. She recently

expressed to me that she realizes how much she needs the structure and

boundaries clearly stated, it all has been murky and overwhelming for her.

Best of luck.

blu_cricket blu_cricket@...> wrote: Hello friend,

I like your idea and gave it some thought. Below you will see I have

added a few words and taken out a few. I changed the order also. I

took out that you would take away one baby sitting as that seemed to

ify of when it would be and also that she would use it against you. I

changed the not answering the phone order so you can show faith that

she will inprove. This is just another verson of what you have already.

- blu_cricket

My Statement

This will come into effect whenever your behavior is out of control.

Such as yelling, being physically and or verbally abusive, etc. I will

determine when that time is. There will be one opportunity to self

correct before I implement the consequences. I will tell you when you

have this one chance.

The Consequences.

This will come into effect whenever behavior is out of control i.e.

drunk, drugged, combative, abusive or non- responsive.

I will NOT purchase or deliver food, cigarettes, or any other requests

until you are sober and/or in control of your behavior. (minimum 24 hours)

I will NOT stay and cook, clean up your mess, or see to your personal

needs.

I WILL contact 911 and ask them to attend to Susie and assess the need

for hospitalization, medication, or just time to calm down and to

notify me when she is safe.

AND I will remove Carmika and bring her home with me or if she is with

me keep her until you are in control of your behavior. If required I

will organize babysitting or bring her to daycare depending on time of

day, events of the day, etc

Unless notified by emergency services that your are in control of your

behavior I will NOT answer my phone.

The first incident I will NOT answer my phone for 24 hours.

The second incident I will NOT answer my phone for 2 hours.

The third incident I will NOT answer my phone for 1 hour.

The fourth incident I will NOT answer my phone for 24 hours.

If you come to my apartment before you are in control of your behavior

I will call the Police and have you removed.

If need be I will contact Children's Services and alert them to the

incident.

If the behavior continues I will only meet with you and a mediator to

discuss strategies that we can both work with concerning the safety of

Carmika and your willingness to control your behavior.

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To: WTOParentsOfBPs

HI all. I'm Beth; I've just been lurking and reading posts for quite a while,

and y'all have been very helpful.

Because of what I've been through the last year plus with my BP daughter, I want

to caution you about getting what we call in land " Child Protective

Services " involved with your family.

The Reader's Digest version of our story is that our grandson Zachary was five

months old in November 2004 when he developed bruises. He was a preemie (born

three months early and weighing a pound and a half), and my daughter

couldn't imagine why he had would have bruises; she knew neither she nor her

boyfriend (Zachary's father) had hurt him. They took him to the pediatrician,

who became alarmed and called Child Protective Services. CPS told and her

boyfriend they were liars, that they had indeed hurt the baby, and took him

away.

Zachary was in foster care over the weekend; we went to court (, her

boyfriend, and both sets of grandparents) on Monday. My husband and I became

emergency foster parents to little Zachary. (Custody is different; we have it

now, but only got it a few months ago. Long story, I'll spare you.) and

her boyfriend were allowed to see the baby for one hour a week, and only at the

Dept. of Social Services under supervision of a social worker (mind you, the

baby is 5 months old, has only been out of the hospital with his parents for

about two months; this is prime bonding time for this family) . was not

allowed to come to our house, unless one of us took the baby elsewhere.

's housing situation at the time was in transition. She had been living

with a girlfriend and family; that didn't work out, so she moved into the home

of her boyfriend and his family. (She was 22 at the time, he is a few months

younger than she.) That was pretty much intolerable, and eventually they threw

her out with very little notice. She lived in her van for a while (from about

February till June, when she wrecked it.) Sometime last spring, she became

pregnant (different father); they stayed together just about long enough for

that, then broke up. (Another long story, don't ask.) (Notice how everything is

a long story with our kids?) ended up homeless and pregnant last summer,

the hottest summer we've had here in about 30 years. She mostly lived in another

car she had wrecked but not gotten rid of (because if CPS caught her in the

house with the baby, they would take him away from us, too, and none of us would

ever see him again.) She tried to get services from the

Dept of Social Services, but somehow nobody seemed to be responsible for

finding her housing.

Now is Zachary better off than he would have been? Probably, although and

her boyfriend were getting their lives together while they had him. But ,

and to a lesser extent her boyfriend as well, have suffered so much this year

that I don't know that it balanced out. would have come home with us

eventually if she could have, so Zachary would have been here anyway and would

have been able to bond with her. (Long story.)

I'd like to believe that our story is unique in the annals of CPS, but

apparently it's all too common. I've met a number of other folks in this area

with stories far, far worse than mine.

If you really feel your grandchild is in danger, of course you have to call CPS.

But be prepared for anything, and I do mean anything. Be prepared to either take

the child yourself, or to let him/her go to foster care, or to never see him/her

again. Be prepared to never speak to your child again. Be prepared to never see

your future grandchildren. Be prepared to look over your shoulder for the rest

of your life.

God bless you; you'll need it.

Beth

WTOParentsOfBPs wrote:Contract 1. contents: this will come into

effect whenever behavior is out of control i.e. drunk, drugged, combative, non-

responsive.

I will contact Children�s Services and alert them to the incident.

I will remove Carmika and bring her home with me or if she is with me keep

her until 911 or Emergency declares you as safe. If required I will organize

babysitting or bring her to daycare depending on time of day, events of the day,

etc

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In a message dated 2/6/2006 12:28:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,

phil_missy@... writes:

Would you mind sharing your contract with me?

,

I will send mine to you. I have to email you direct with it as the group

email won't accept attachements. Is this okay with you?

DebbieL

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Yes, that would be great

> In a message dated 2/6/2006 12:28:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> phil_missy@... writes:

> Would you mind sharing your contract with me?

>

> ,

>

> I will send mine to you. I have to email you direct with it as

the group

> email won't accept attachements. Is this okay with you?

>

> DebbieL

>

>

>

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