Re: Jackie Springer lost license

[Guest guest]

Dr. Springer's web site is http://www.drspringer.medem.com/ On her site she

is asking all patients who can to attend the courthouse to support her.

Kansas City Office See map

7325 West 161st Street

100

Overland Park , Kansas 66085

(FAX)

Dr. Gant of New York had similar charges--no physical etc and using

labs not sanctioned by the AMA. He got his license suspended for 6 months.

During this time he wrote an excellent book on ending addictions with

supplements.

Unfortunately I don't have a testimony to share yet and maybe she might

appreciate some testimonies from people on this list. However, the thyroid

prescription is not her only charge.

I cannot believe that natural thyroid hormone is not standard of care!!!!! The

pharmaceutical cartel certainly has the power at the moment. Unless we all

support the Alliance for Natural Health with financial donations, we won't be

able to get those supplements we all take except by prescription. You know how

hard it is to get Armour prescriptions so you can understand how hard it will be

to get certain supplements. The cost will be beyond many of our means. visit

http://www.alliance-natural-health.org/ Please donate whatever you can.

Some of the very doctors we need and use are supporting this cause. You can

also visit www.iahf.com for more information.

Kallie

Re: Re: Jackie Springer lost license

I know I am not that far from that area, I am going to find out who her

attorney is and write to them. I will offer a complete history of my trials with

Synthroid and how it totally failed me and Armour has literally saved my life. I

will even offer to testify to this in person as I could get to her trial if it

is in an area I can get to.

[Guest guest]

Will we end up like Dr.

enstein, going out in the night to get the body parts we need?

Tish

In my opinion we will if the CODEX goes through. Donate today please.

Kallie

[Guest guest]

The new trial date is March 7 in Topeka Ks. The clerk in the court room told me

that I needed to call before I come the next time as that might not be a go

either. Wondering what the $*!! that comment meant.

I would love to hear how many of you have been to docs who didn't do physicals.

I am pretty sure that I remembering hearing and or reading that insurance

companies and other medical people stated that they don't believe physicals are

really needed anymore.

My lasted 3 or 4 docs have only done blood pressure, pulse rate, listened to my

heart and my lungs. So how come they are still practicing. They don't spend

even 5 minutes in the room with you. Is that a good standard of care?

Re: Re: Jackie Springer lost license

I know I am not that far from that area, I am going to find out who her

attorney is and write to them. I will offer a complete history of my trials with

Synthroid and how it totally failed me and Armour has literally saved my life. I

will even offer to testify to this in person as I could get to her trial if it

is in an area I can get to.

Artistic Grooming

Hurricane, West Virginia

[Guest guest]

You can go to Jackie Springers home page.

http://www.drspringer.medem.com/

On the right hand side of the page is a box that says patient sign in. You will

need to click on the little box that says new patient. Once you fill that info

out you can e-mail Dr Springer herself. She might be willing to give you the

name of her lawyer or any other info she feels would be helpful. She has

suspended all charges for using the e-mail until after the trial is over and she

hopefully gets her license back.

From: T

To: NaturalThyroidHormones

Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:54 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Jackie Springer lost license

Someone has GOT to Stop this Endocrinology ASSociation before all we can get

is Synthroid. Once again, where is Forrest Pharm. in all this? Are there any

lawyers among us? Hubbies that are lawyers? There must be OSMETHING we can do to

help this doctor. Do we know who her lawyer is?

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

In the past 10 years, due to my physicians leaving their practice I have been to

five " new " physicians. None of them including my " special " orthomolecular

physician has done a physical other than listen to my heart, look in my ears and

take my blood pressure. I am 66 at the present time. I live in Canada.

I guess that explains why my 79-year old mother's ovarian cancer was not found

until she saw the big bump in her stomach!!! I never thought of this before.

I'll bet no doctor ever felt her abdomen. Her tumor was the size of a football.

Kallie

Re: Re: Jackie Springer lost license

I know I am not that far from that area, I am going to find out who her

attorney is and write to them. I will offer a complete history of my trials with

Synthroid and how it totally failed me and Armour has literally saved my life. I

will even offer to testify to this in person as I could get to her trial if it

is in an area I can get to.

Artistic Grooming

Hurricane, West Virginia

[Guest guest]

I went into the doc this last Tues. to see about getting referred to a

plastic surgeon for a breast reduction. He never touched me, just order

the tests he thought would tell if I was healthy enough to undergo the

surgery. And he said he very seldom took blood pressures because of white

coat syndrome.

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The new trial date is March 7 in Topeka Ks. The clerk in the court room

told me that I needed to call before I come the next time as that might not

be a go either. Wondering what the $*!! that comment meant.

I would love to hear how many of you have been to docs who didn't do

physicals. I am pretty sure that I remembering hearing and or

[Guest guest]

Dr. Springer's web site is http://www.drspringer.medem.com/ On her site she

is asking all patients who can to attend the courthouse to support her. You

don't need to pay to email her at this time.

Kansas City Office See map

7325 West 161st Street

100

Overland Park , Kansas 66085

(FAX)

Re: Re: Jackie Springer lost license

In a message dated 2/11/2005 1:20:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kattiedid@... writes:

> How do I contact them. I would be willing to do so since I am a patient

> of hers.

go to the website..and send her an email...and ask her what you can do. or

call.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/11/2005 6:41:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

artisticgroom@... writes:

> and the trial was scheduled for Feb. 7th... has any one got any updates

> about what happened?

>

i think somebody here said it was resecheduled because of snow that day.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/11/2005 6:47:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Cjoi@... writes:

> I can send some gas money if you need help getting there, Val. This is such

> an obviously evil deal to bury this gal and toss us in on top of her!

>

and i'll send money for lunch.

cindi

[Guest guest]

I can't stop thinking about this either, Cindi. My husband says I'm

overreacting, but it scares me to death that these people can have

such control over our lives. Actually, I guess it might literally

scare me " to death " if they are able to force drs to perscribe

synthroid -- because I really wouldn't have any life left. I would

love to know what we can do, too.

Debbie

> In a message dated 2/11/2005 6:58:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> artisticgroom@v... writes:

>

> > Someone has GOT to Stop this Endocrinology ASSociation before all

we can

> > get is Synthroid.

>

> valerie,

> i had trouble sleeping last night thinking about this. this morning

i am

> down thinking about this. i feel so helpless. and all i can think

to do is

> order 3 years supply of armour just in case. and i should not have

to feel this

> way. none of us should. i'll do anything i can. just someone has

to tell me

> what to do.

> cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You are not overreacting in my opinion Debbie. Already in Australia and Europe

many supplements have been taken off the shelf due to this CODEX thing. I have

a friend in Australia and it amazes me the number of supplements I can get

freely that he can't even have shipped to him. They only have control if we let

them have it and keep it. That is why I fight.

My fear has me donating what I can to the ANH lawsuit because from my research

and knowledge, that is our last opportunity. If one trusts the FDA and the

status quo, you will not want to oppose CODEX cause you will believe they only

have your interests at heart!!!

Please visit www.iahf.com He is a bit of a renegade, which is needed and he is

honest, integrous, and has fought valiantly for us against the CODEX. Also

visit http://www.alliance-natural-health.org/ and consider donating. This

might be the most important site as their law suit is our last chance of

stopping the CODEX. Sadly it is those of us who are really in the total

complementary area who realize the seriousness of this. Here is a good Canadian

organization against the CODEX www.friendsoffreedom.org

Some of the well-known and respected physicians in the complementary medicine

who are fighting the " CODEX " are: Dr. , www.tahoma-clinic.com

Dr. Mercola www.mercola.com Dr. Saul, www.doctoryourself.com Dr.

Matthias Roth http://www.drrathvitamins.com/mission/fr_dshea.html

Dr. Carolyn Dean, http://www.carolyndean.com/ All of these physicians would

prescribe Armour. Dr. Mercola even writes about it on his site.

We are so fortunate to be able to get our natural thyroid hormone without our

doctors and I pray that the pharmacies providing them to us flourish and remain

in business.

Kallie

Re: Jackie Springer lost license

I can't stop thinking about this either, Cindi. My husband says I'm

overreacting, but it scares me to death that these people can have

such control over our lives. Actually, I guess it might literally

scare me " to death " if they are able to force drs to perscribe

synthroid -- because I really wouldn't have any life left. I would

love to know what we can do, too.

Debbie

> In a message dated 2/11/2005 6:58:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> artisticgroom@v... writes:

>

> > Someone has GOT to Stop this Endocrinology ASSociation before all

we can

> > get is Synthroid.

>

> valerie,

> i had trouble sleeping last night thinking about this. this morning

i am

> down thinking about this. i feel so helpless. and all i can think

to do is

> order 3 years supply of armour just in case. and i should not have

to feel this

> way. none of us should. i'll do anything i can. just someone has

to tell me

> what to do.

> cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can send some gas money if you need help getting there, Val. This is such an

obviously evil deal to bury this gal and toss us in on top of her!

The more I think of Big L this week, the angrier it makes me...

....

I could get to her trial if it is in an area I can get to.

[Guest guest]

I was just reading at her website and the trial was scheduled for Feb. 7th...

has any one got any updates about what happened?

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

They cancelled the hearing because of the weather. We got a wee bit of snow.

Not even a half and inch. I thought maybe Wichita had gotten some ice and that

is where the Endro testifying against is from.

The next day we were in the local Cracker Barrel here and were tlaking to a

waitress. She was in Wichita the day before and said the weather was fine. I

think that area of Kansas is a bit different. If they say snow they all close

down and flee home. LOL

I had a doctor who treated my with Armour a few years ago that lived in St s

KS. I had to drive almost 2 hours to get there and we would leave the Kansas

City area and get out there to find the office closed because there was a

Tornado watch out. Not warning but just a watch and in the winter if they said

ice or sleet they closed that day too.

The clerk in the Judge's office said it was rescheduled for March 7th but to

call before driving out as it might now be a go then either.

Wish it could get resolved. I have a couple more 3 month prescriptions on my

meds but I am out of testosterone. So far I have been able to get my refills

okay but it is getting stressful.

I need to find another doc just in case but I really would like to see Dr

Springer back in business.

Re: Re: Jackie Springer lost license

I was just reading at her website and the trial was scheduled for Feb. 7th...

has any one got any updates about what happened?

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

I bet none of you could tell by my spelling how tired I am. LOL

We were planning on selling our house next spring maybe. We were actually

thinking we would be in there till spring of 06. Then a friend of ours was

hoping to buy our house so off we went looking for just the right ranch style

house here in Olathe (Kansas City Suburb). Well we came across a nice ranch

with a finished basement that can be rented out as a two bedroom apt. It was a

good lot, great price with a true basement under it so we jumped on it. Hard to

find ranch style houses in this area and for a decent price. So anyways here we

sit moved into our nice ranch house but day after day we go back to the old

house to paint, clean, patch and touch up some areas here and there.

That house is a tri-plex with a basement. We have gotten everything but some

baby stuff out of on upstairs closet on the three main floors. It is finally

patched, painted and cleaned on those three floors. Now we are in the basement

where my son put in a bath with a spa tub ( I shall miss that tub) a hallway and

a 4th bedroom. That is the area that needed the most. We had just built the

bathroom and the hallway this past spring and it still was partially unfinshed.

Tomorrow we will have friends help us paint. DH and one of our sons will hang a

suspended ceiling in the bedroom and hall and then we should be basically

finished.

We still need to remove stuff from the basement and garage but we are very close

to the end of the tunnel. Maybe then when I write it will be more fluent. No

promises mind you. LOL

Re: Re: Jackie Springer lost license

I was just reading at her website and the trial was scheduled for Feb.

7th... has any one got any updates about what happened?

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

> I really would like to see Dr Springer back in business.

I just made a post and link on my site to hers . Please everybody who

has a site do the same !!! We must support her as much as we can !!!!

Dr. Peatfield , Dr. Derry , Dr. Springer .... IT'S DISGUSTING !!!!!!!

I'm so mad about it !!!!!! (((((((

ne in France

http://www.geocities.com/thyroide

Does know ???

[Guest guest]

>

> I just read on the about.com thryoid site that Jackie Springer, who

is

> listed on the Top Docs list here, lost her license in KS.

I have been to About and didn't see anything about it . Where is it ?

When you type the name into the search engine , you get something

about motor cycles .... !

ne in France

http://www.geocities.com/thyroide

[Guest guest]

Maybe I'm too old and too hypo which makes me too paranoid but I would guess

two " plants "

....

i guess it has to be a two patients who made the complaint...

[Guest guest]

Cindi, let's make sure we all have overalls that fit, for starters!

I'm thinking about raising pigs, myself... How much does one thyroid weigh and

if it's blended and dessicated and put in the freezer....you get the idea??? I'm

gonna feed mine a healthy source of selenium...give it lots of sunshine...

....

> Someone has GOT to Stop this Endocrinology

> ASSociation before all we can

> get is Synthroid. valerie,

i had trouble sleeping last night thinking about this. ... i'll do anything i

can. just someone has to tell me what to do.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/12/2005 2:41:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Cjoi@... writes:

> I'm thinking about raising pigs, myself... How much does one thyroid weigh

> and if it's blended and dessicated and put in the freezer....you get the

> idea??? I'm gonna feed mine a healthy source of selenium...give it lots of

> sunshine...

>

OMG...GMTA...i live out in the country...on just 5 acres...but last night i

was wondering what sauteed pig thyroid would taste like.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/12/2005 9:11:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,

sdlentz2@... writes:

> Forest does not have a budget to pursue this matter for a product that

> is well regarded by patients and certain doctors, but does not pull in

> much in the way of income. "

>

well dang...the reason it's not pulling in much in the way of income is

because all those people are out there taking Synthroid....if they would fight

back

a few times..and advertise a bit....

oh my.....

cindi

[Guest guest]

I read about it in the forums.

http://forums.about.com/ab-thyroid/messages/?msg=65261.1

I don't know if this link will take you right to the discussion or

not. If you go to the forums, it's discussion # 65261.

One of the ladies there did contact Forrest to let them know. This is

what she reported:

" This morning I spoke directly to the Forest rep.

Forest apparently receives emails from patients several times per year

relating to this issue of medical board reviews disparaging Armour, or

indicating that it is not the appropriate medication for treatment of

thyroid disease.

The rep sent my email upline to supervisors so that they will be aware

of this particular instance in Kansas.

The bottom line after a lengthy discussion?

Forest does not have a budget to pursue this matter for a product that

is well regarded by patients and certain doctors, but does not pull in

much in the way of income. "

So what can we do about this, when Forest won't even defend their

product and fight for it?! Still feeling pretty discouraged.

Debbie

> >

> > I just read on the about.com thryoid site that Jackie Springer, who

> is

> > listed on the Top Docs list here, lost her license in KS.

>

> I have been to About and didn't see anything about it . Where is it ?

> When you type the name into the search engine , you get something

> about motor cycles .... !

>

> ne in France

>

> http://www.geocities.com/thyroide

[Guest guest]

you lobby " respected " Dr's that prescribe it. By respected, (said very tongue in

cheek) I mean endos that are not considered " fringe " You also as bad as this

sounds, don't quote chiros, ND's even general practice MD's and their opinion,

etc. There are many endos and internists that more and more are switching since

seeing how well Armour works. You need to have the witch hunt groups peers give

the positive results! That is where I would start for an effective campaign.

JMHO

Re: Jackie Springer lost license

I read about it in the forums.

http://forums.about.com/ab-thyroid/messages/?msg=65261.1http://forums.about.com\

/ab-thyroid/messages/?msg=65261.1>

I don't know if this link will take you right to the discussion or

not. If you go to the forums, it's discussion # 65261.

One of the ladies there did contact Forrest to let them know. This is

what she reported:

" This morning I spoke directly to the Forest rep.

Forest apparently receives emails from patients several times per year

relating to this issue of medical board reviews disparaging Armour, or

indicating that it is not the appropriate medication for treatment of

thyroid disease.

The rep sent my email upline to supervisors so that they will be aware

of this particular instance in Kansas.

The bottom line after a lengthy discussion?

Forest does not have a budget to pursue this matter for a product that

is well regarded by patients and certain doctors, but does not pull in

much in the way of income. "

So what can we do about this, when Forest won't even defend their

product and fight for it?! Still feeling pretty discouraged.

Debbie

> >

> > I just read on the about.com thryoid site that Jackie Springer, who

> is

> > listed on the Top Docs list here, lost her license in KS.

>

> I have been to About and didn't see anything about it . Where is it ?

> When you type the name into the search engine , you get something

> about motor cycles .... !

>

> ne in France

>

> http://www.geocities.com/thyroidehttp://www.geocities.com/thyroide>

[Guest guest]

This is the most ominous line I've read. Who is going to fight harder? Folks

making huge profits from T4 and all the misery it allows to continue - or folks

who don't " pull in much in the way of income " for Armour because it works and

people get well and, oh, well, was just a byprodouct of making sausage, anyway?

....

(p.s. just said a prayer for kerry's job testing...)

----- Original Message -----

but does not pull in

much in the way of income. "

[Guest guest]

There you go, I went specifically to DR Springer because of the treatment she

prescribes. I can't believe these " 2 what ever you call them " didn't know what

and how she treats her patients.

Re: Re: Jackie Springer lost license

Maybe I'm too old and too hypo which makes me too paranoid but I would guess

two " plants "

...

i guess it has to be a two patients who made the complaint...