Re: sibling(3 years) of Asperger hard to understand

[Guest guest]

Most likely the sibling is also toxic and the thing to do is detox, not

torment them with mainstream medical testing that leads to refusal of

any effective treatment.

The probability of this with no other information than what you provide

is in excess of 75%.

Andy . . . . . . . . ..

> Has anyone had a nt sibling have a delay in making speech sounds? We

> are doing speech therapy is there something else? Can someone shed

> some light on this?

>

[Guest guest]

My oldest son (NT almost 18yo) had delayed speech. He was very hard to

understand. He did not get speech therapy (it's hard enough to come by if

you have a dx here!). His speech did develop ok but he has always had

problems with the " th " sounds. I imagine if he'd had speech therapy there'd

have been no more problems. It's such a hard call to make. His speech

developed fine and his younger brother, ASD, who the doctor kept saying

" relax mom, he'll talk eventually " , is now 16yo and still non-verbal. I'd keep

up

the speech therapy.

Laurie

-- In , " Gray " <

annargray2001@y...> wrote:

> Has anyone had a nt sibling have a delay in making speech sounds? We

> are doing speech therapy is there something else? Can someone shed

> some light on this?

>

[Guest guest]

I once read that pediatrics is one of the worst thing that happened

to our kids and I believe it.

> > Has anyone had a nt sibling have a delay in making speech

sounds? We

> > are doing speech therapy is there something else? Can someone

shed

> > some light on this?

> >

[Guest guest]

Let me provide a bit more info. He has had chronic diarrhea and red

cheeks and ears. Thanks for your response. How does mercury effect

the muscles in your tongue that are used to make these sounds?

> Most likely the sibling is also toxic and the thing to do is

detox, not

> torment them with mainstream medical testing that leads to refusal

of

> any effective treatment.

>

> The probability of this with no other information than what you

provide

> is in excess of 75%.

>

> Andy . . . . . . . . ..

>

> > Has anyone had a nt sibling have a delay in making speech

sounds? We

> > are doing speech therapy is there something else? Can someone

shed

> > some light on this?

> >

[Guest guest]

>>>>> His speech did develop ok but he has always had problems with

the " th " sounds.

How is the therapist helping him learn these sounds? Is she/he

telling the child where to put his tongue physically in his mouth?

When learning different languages, some people can copy the sounds

easily but other need to be told where to put the tongue, when to

breathe out to force air to make sounds, how to position the lips,

etc. Sort of mechanically taking the sound-making process apart and

instructing on technique. I was one of the literal learners and this

was really important to me, although other people seemed to catch on

by osmosis.

See if telling him exactly the position of tongue helps. He might not

understand how to make the sound.

On the flip side, he might not yet be distiguishing between sounds

heard. So he doesn't 'hear' the th as a unique sound. For example,

there are some sounds used in foreign languages that I can't tell the

difference in by hearing. I am not used to distinguishing

some 'letters' of other alphabets because we don't have those sounds

in English in language. What is a meaningful letter in Arabic sounds

like throat clearing to me...and they have 2 or 3 distinct throat

sounds! Or like the African languages that have different clicking

sounds as letters.

.

[Guest guest]

Have you tried any interventions with him, like diet, supps, etc? My

17 mo old daughter has a delay as well, but none of the other stuff.

Seems to have a very, very slight delay in language comprehension, a

larger one in expressive, but everything else, diet, sensory,

pretend skills, social interaction, etc, is fine. I do only allow

small amounts of dairy and slightly more wheat in her diet. If Dinah

develops any diarrhea, I'm slapping her full-fledged gfcf for a

time.

Debi

> Let me provide a bit more info. He has had chronic diarrhea and

red

> cheeks and ears. Thanks for your response. How does mercury effect

> the muscles in your tongue that are used to make these sounds?

>

[Guest guest]

,

My son started therapy through Early Intervention when he was 27 months old. At

that time, my daughter was 14 months old. When she was 17 months old and rarely

said, " Mama " I had her evaluated and she too started Speech and Occupational

Therapy (mild Hypotonia). I also added one Pro-EFA (Nordic Naturals) per day to

her diet in addition to her multiple vitamin/mineral supplement. Thirteen

months later she is talking at an above-age appropriate level for expressive and

receptive language. I'm glad I didn't take the " wait and see " approach that

cost my son one year of valuable therapy services with her. I highly recommend

the essential fatty acids as they too have been beneficial (more noticeably with

my son than with my daughter). -KIM

[ ] sibling(3 years) of Asperger hard to understand

Has anyone had a nt sibling have a delay in making speech sounds? We

are doing speech therapy is there something else? Can someone shed

some light on this?

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[Guest guest]

I thought about EFAs. I am definately going to add that. We have

been using Carlson's fish oii for my daugher who seems to me

recovered at least for the last 4 days. She got a homoepathic remedy

and now a cold. We will see. Thanks for the your reply!

> ,

>

> My son started therapy through Early Intervention when he was 27

months old. At that time, my daughter was 14 months old. When she

was 17 months old and rarely said, " Mama " I had her evaluated and

she too started Speech and Occupational Therapy (mild Hypotonia). I

also added one Pro-EFA (Nordic Naturals) per day to her diet in

addition to her multiple vitamin/mineral supplement. Thirteen

months later she is talking at an above-age appropriate level for

expressive and receptive language. I'm glad I didn't take the " wait

and see " approach that cost my son one year of valuable therapy

services with her. I highly recommend the essential fatty acids as

they too have been beneficial (more noticeably with my son than with

my daughter). -KIM

> [ ] sibling(3 years) of Asperger hard to

understand

>

>

> Has anyone had a nt sibling have a delay in making speech

sounds? We

> are doing speech therapy is there something else? Can someone

shed

> some light on this?

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

i was slow to learn to speak, its just a developmental delay and

either you have the only nt kid in america or he is on spectrum.

thsi is what as used to be like before vaccines same issues but

milder and adaptive delays but getting there.

i would look at digestive issues etc.

> Has anyone had a nt sibling have a delay in making speech sounds?

We

> are doing speech therapy is there something else? Can someone shed

> some light on this?

>

[Guest guest]

We do SCD and no supps. His stools are firming up and he only has

one a day. There are cognitive delays he is just hard to understand.

He is not making certain speech sounds and subsitutes speech sounds.

> > Let me provide a bit more info. He has had chronic diarrhea and

> red

> > cheeks and ears. Thanks for your response. How does mercury

effect

> > the muscles in your tongue that are used to make these sounds?

> >

[Guest guest]

anna, I don't know exactly how the mercury affects the speech, but it

does. Did anyone put the link to the Geier study-- the one that

found a correlation between thimerosal and ASD, speech disorders, and

heart problems? I can say as an SLP that the number of kids with

apraxic-types of problems has increased along with the rise in ASD.

Many of the kids with these problems also have smatterings of

characteristics that are seen in other " disorders " . WHy it affects

some kids in the speech realm whereas others have sensory problems,

and others are full blown autism, I do not know. Individual

differences, timing of the exposure, amount of exposure, genetic

differences, I don't know.

In addition to the advice you're already getting, I don't know if

anyone has mentioned looking into the apraxia board--it's a

good one for finding out more about how EFA's can help. Also reading

The LCP Solution can help, too.

W

> > Most likely the sibling is also toxic and the thing to do is

> detox, not

> > torment them with mainstream medical testing that leads to

[Guest guest]

Probability of mercury problems reasonably high.

> Let me provide a bit more info. He has had chronic diarrhea and red

> cheeks and ears.

Possibly also phenol problems which generally are due to mercury.

> Thanks for your response. How does mercury effect

> the muscles in your tongue that are used to make these sounds?

Paresthesias and poor coordination of the mouth and tongue are classic

signs of mercury intoxication, described in all older textbooks which

were written by real doctors who figured things out clnically and had

seen actual cases. . . .. . . . . . . . .. . . . .

>

[Guest guest]

He has had chronic diarrhea and red cheeks. We are doing SCD.

> > Has anyone had a nt sibling have a delay in making speech

sounds?

> We

> > are doing speech therapy is there something else? Can someone

shed

> > some light on this?

> >

[Guest guest]

My daughter is now 4 1/4 years old. When she was 18 m.o. she was covered by

part C for language for one year ; she had no language and speech at all.(she

passed their screening at 30 months).

I do want to say that while her connectedspeech is sometimes hard for others

to understand (I still translate for her often), her language and pragmatics

are phenomenal. She is really advanced for age in all areas. (OT--when I don't

understand what she is saying, she spells it for me LOL)

When she was two, I really worried about her language delays.

God luck...I hope yours becomes a story like this one.

Robin

[Guest guest]

well scd needs modification to be successful.

i find whey very important and even am tolerating cows milk provided

it is drunk warm

nuts flours are not that digestiable.

you need mineral supplementation esp optizinc and mag taurate

touch of allergy a and d every now and then helps to

molybdenum will help

doing well on scd can be an indicator of lead problems, do u have a

hair test?

> > > Has anyone had a nt sibling have a delay in making speech

> sounds?

> > We

> > > are doing speech therapy is there something else? Can someone

> shed

> > > some light on this?

> > >

[Guest guest]

If his stools are firming up on SCD, maybe check out yeast?

Debi

> We do SCD and no supps. His stools are firming up and he only has

> one a day. There are cognitive delays he is just hard to

understand.

> He is not making certain speech sounds and subsitutes speech

sounds.

>

[Guest guest]

If his stools are firming up on SCD, maybe check out yeast?

Debi

> We do SCD and no supps. His stools are firming up and he only has

> one a day. There are cognitive delays he is just hard to

understand.

> He is not making certain speech sounds and subsitutes speech

sounds.

>

[Guest guest]

> He has had chronic diarrhea and red cheeks. We are doing SCD.

>

I would consider first phenol intolerance.

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

No, we have not done one. Needless to say treating a 5 year(w/ an

asperger diagnosis) is expensive. I suppose we need one. I never

expected that raising kids would be like this...

What is your souce of whey? Where do you get it? Why do you feel it

is helping? Have you tried homeopathy?

> > > > Has anyone had a nt sibling have a delay in making speech

> > sounds?

> > > We

> > > > are doing speech therapy is there something else? Can

someone

> > shed

> > > > some light on this?

> > > >

[Guest guest]

> If his stools are firming up on SCD, maybe check out yeast?

>

> Debi

I meant to say he has no coginitive delays, eye contact or

gramatical isuues. He did test high for yeast. We did GSE and it

caused more bad diarrhea. Is this a die off reaction or is he not

tolerating the GSE? SCD would say that the yeast will come in line

in time with the controlling of bacteria??? He does seem to

tolerate fruits a lot better. They do not cause loose stools like

before SCD.

>

>

> > We do SCD and no supps. His stools are firming up and he only

has

> > one a day. There are cognitive delays he is just hard to

> understand.

> > He is not making certain speech sounds and subsitutes speech

> sounds.

> >

[Guest guest]

, in addition to pursuing the biomed treatments for him, just

know that you can also have him screened by the local school district

to see if he qualifies for any speech therapy to be provided by them

at no cost to you. During the fourth year of age, a child should be

easily understood by others, although there may be just a few sounds

in error. So a lot can happen between three and four, but if you are

wondering if it is still within the normal range of development, or

if it's significantly behind, then just call the local special

education or special services department for the school district and

ask how do you go about having him screened for

articulation/phonological development with an SLP.

W

> > I meant to say he has no coginitive delays, eye contact or

> gramatical isuues. He did test high for yeast. We did GSE and it

> caused more bad diarrhea. Is this a die off reaction or is he not

> tolerating the GSE? SCD would say that the yeast will come in line

> in time with the controlling of bacteria??? He does seem to

> tolerate fruits a lot better. They do not cause loose stools like

> before SCD.

>

>

[Guest guest]

My HF son had similar problems and all of the sudden made dramatic

strides before turning 5. Now about all of his speech is fine.

>>> fightingautism@... 03/18/04 08:56PM >>>

If his stools are firming up on SCD, maybe check out yeast?

Debi

> We do SCD and no supps. His stools are firming up and he only has

> one a day. There are cognitive delays he is just hard to

understand.

> He is not making certain speech sounds and subsitutes speech

sounds.

>

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[Guest guest]

you need a hair test. $ for information it doesn't get better.

you should be able to get whey from health stores, i am using plain

whey which is not expensive at all but something llike immunocal may

also be ok(though expensive) see my web page on compendium on whey. i

donlt feel it is helping. i can see it is making huge improvements.

hmomoepathy seem to be varied in its meaning and i don't want to get

into a debate on what it is. the notion of ultra dilution is rubbish.

> No, we have not done one. Needless to say treating a 5 year(w/ an

> asperger diagnosis) is expensive. I suppose we need one. I never

> expected that raising kids would be like this...

>

> What is your souce of whey? Where do you get it? Why do you feel it

> is helping? Have you tried homeopathy?

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I meant to say he has no coginitive delays, eye contact or

> gramatical isuues. He did test high for yeast. We did GSE and it

> caused more bad diarrhea. Is this a die off reaction or is he not

> tolerating the GSE?

Can be either. Try giving GSE with No-Fenol enzyme, see if that helps

http://www.houstonni.com/

Dana