Re: New and looking for advice on chelation for son, Andy and anyone else

[Guest guest]

I don't have an opinion on chelation, but I do on allergy treatment.

Have you ever tried nasal immunotherapy? Any chance you live in the

NYC area?

Jane

On Oct 27, 2004, at 10:20 PM, jimjakub22 wrote:

>

>    Hello, My son is a 12 year old diagnosed with ADHD (moderately

> functioning, diagnosed at age 7). He also has been diagnosed as

> growth hormone deficent and has been receiving growth hormone drug

> (genotropin) since he was 5. He has asthma and a number of

> allergys.  

>    He was born with average height and weight and no problems,

> however within a couple days he developed severe colic and could not

> keep his formula down. Eventually he gained his weight back and grew

> out of his colic. Around age 3 his growth slowed drastically (went

> below zero percentile on the growth charts) and his daycare teachers

> started noticing a significant amount of hyperactivity. Ever since

> then we have had an uphill battle with his schoolwork. 

>     We have been doing different supplement programs most have met

> with little or no success. Last year we tried chelating with DMSA

> 3days on and 11days off one dose per day. We only did a couple of

> rounds with no apparent effect but after that we retried a supplement

> schedule(Pfieffer) that we tried before with no success and for the

> first time we had tangible results (we were able to reduce his

> adderall and he did much better in school). His doctor keeps

> insisting on allergy treatment (we have tried this without much

> success) but I feel that continued chelation might be the best

> approach even though the above mentioned chelation might not be

> causitive to the improved response to the supplements.         

>      Below are the results for a DDI hair taken this august.

> appears to(barely) meet rule #3 of the counting rules.

> - Should we chelate?

>

> -if so, what would be a conservative time frame to give DMSA only

> before adding ALA? ( received ALA 300mg 2 times a day for 3

> months about 3 years ago, I don't know if that info would influence

> your answer.)

>

> -kyle has a dental retainer in his mouth constantly, is there a

> problem with that during chelation i.e. it is metal but i don't know

> what it is made of.

>

> -does genotropin contain mercury?

>

>

> POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color

> ==============================================

> aluminum 11 < 8.0 yellow

> antimony 0.07 < .066 yellow

> arsenic 0.064 < .08 green

> beryllium <0.01 < 0.02 no line

> bismuth .019 < .060 green

> cadmium .13 < .15 green

> lead .88 < 1.5 green

> mercury 0.45 < .4 yellow

> platinum .003 < .005 no line

> thallium < .001 < .01 no line

> thorium < .001 < .005 no line

> uranium .012 < .06 green

> nickel .16 < .4 green

> silver .14 < .13 yellow

> tin .25 < .3 green

> titanium .96 < 1.0 green

> ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color under/over 50%

> ============================================================

> Calcium 495 200-700 green over 50%

> Magnesium 21 18-70 green under 50%

> Sodium 210 12-90 yellow over 50%

> Potassium 220 10-40 red over 50%

> Copper 42 10-30 yellow over 50%

> Zinc 160 130-200 green under 50%

> Manganese 0.26 0.15-0.65 green under 50%

> Chromium 0.76 0.20-0.4 red over 50%

> Vanadium 0.089 0.02-0.075 yellow over 50%

> Molybdenum 0.063 0.031-0.062 yellow over 50%

> Boron 2.5 0.34-3.0 green over 50%

> Iodine 0.21 0.25-1.3 yellow under 50%

> Lithium 0.012 0.007-0.023 green green 50%

> Phosphorus 179 160-250 green under 50%

> Selenium 3.3 0.95-1.7 red over 50%

> Strontium 1.5 0.3-3.2 green over 50%

> Sulfur 48200 44000-52000 white over 50%

> Barium 1.0 0.17-1.5 green over 50%

> Cobalt 0.012 0.013-0.035 yellow under 50%

> Iron 15 5.8-13 yellow over 50%

> Germanium 0.039 0.045-0.065 yellow under 50%

> Rubidium 0.21 0.009-0.090 yellow over 50%

> Zirconium 0.36 0.047-.70 green over 50%

>

>     Thanks in advance for any info you can pass onto me,

>          Jim Jakubowski

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

We have not tried nasal immunotherapy, I haven't even heard of that

before. we have been through a number of diets and tried allergy

shots and sublingual drops with no results. We live in the toledo

ohio area.

Jim

>

> >

> >    Hello, My son is a 12 year old diagnosed with ADHD

(moderately

> > functioning, diagnosed at age 7). He also has been diagnosed as

> > growth hormone deficent and has been receiving growth hormone

drug

> > (genotropin) since he was 5. He has asthma and a number of

> > allergys.  

> >    He was born with average height and weight and no problems,

> > however within a couple days he developed severe colic and could

not

> > keep his formula down. Eventually he gained his weight back and

grew

> > out of his colic. Around age 3 his growth slowed drastically

(went

> > below zero percentile on the growth charts) and his daycare

teachers

> > started noticing a significant amount of hyperactivity. Ever

since

> > then we have had an uphill battle with his schoolwork. 

> >     We have been doing different supplement programs most

have

met

> > with little or no success. Last year we tried chelating with DMSA

> > 3days on and 11days off one dose per day. We only did a couple of

> > rounds with no apparent effect but after that we retried a

supplement

> > schedule(Pfieffer) that we tried before with no success and for

the

> > first time we had tangible results (we were able to reduce his

> > adderall and he did much better in school). His doctor keeps

> > insisting on allergy treatment (we have tried this without much

> > success) but I feel that continued chelation might be the best

> > approach even though the above mentioned chelation might not be

> > causitive to the improved response to the sup

plements.         

> >      Below are the results for a DDI hair taken this august.

> > appears to(barely) meet rule #3 of the counting rules.

> > - Should we chelate?

> >

> > -if so, what would be a conservative time frame to give DMSA only

> > before adding ALA? ( received ALA 300mg 2 times a day for 3

> > months about 3 years ago, I don't know if that info would

influence

> > your answer.)

> >

> > -kyle has a dental retainer in his mouth constantly, is there a

> > problem with that during chelation i.e. it is metal but i don't

know

> > what it is made of.

> >

> > -does genotropin contain mercury?

> >

> >

> > POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> > element result ref range color

> > ==============================================

> > aluminum 11 < 8.0 yellow

> > antimony 0.07 < .066 yellow

> > arsenic 0.064 < .08 green

> > beryllium <0.01 < 0.02 no line

> > bismuth .019 < .060 green

> > cadmium .13 < .15 green

> > lead .88 < 1.5 green

> > mercury 0.45 < .4 yellow

> > platinum .003 < .005 no line

> > thallium < .001 < .01 no line

> > thorium < .001 < .005 no line

> > uranium .012 < .06 green

> > nickel .16 < .4 green

> > silver .14 < .13 yellow

> > tin .25 < .3 green

> > titanium .96 < 1.0 green

> > ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> > element result ref range color under/over 50%

> > ============================================================

> > Calcium 495 200-700 green over 50%

> > Magnesium 21 18-70 green under 50%

> > Sodium 210 12-90 yellow over 50%

> > Potassium 220 10-40 red over 50%

> > Copper 42 10-30 yellow over 50%

> > Zinc 160 130-200 green under 50%

> > Manganese 0.26 0.15-0.65 green under 50%

> > Chromium 0.76 0.20-0.4 red over 50%

> > Vanadium 0.089 0.02-0.075 yellow over 50%

> > Molybdenum 0.063 0.031-0.062 yellow over 50%

> > Boron 2.5 0.34-3.0 green over 50%

> > Iodine 0.21 0.25-1.3 yellow under 50%

> > Lithium 0.012 0.007-0.023 green green 50%

> > Phosphorus 179 160-250 green under 50%

> > Selenium 3.3 0.95-1.7 red over 50%

> > Strontium 1.5 0.3-3.2 green over 50%

> > Sulfur 48200 44000-52000 white over 50%

> > Barium 1.0 0.17-1.5 green over 50%

> > Cobalt 0.012 0.013-0.035 yellow under 50%

> > Iron 15 5.8-13 yellow over 50%

> > Germanium 0.039 0.045-0.065 yellow under 50%

> > Rubidium 0.21 0.009-0.090 yellow over 50%

> > Zirconium 0.36 0.047-.70 green over 50%

> >

> >     Thanks in advance for any info you can pass onto me,

> >          Jim Jakubowski

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

They use serial end-point testing first, to determine how allergic an

individual is to a given allergen. This is more specific than the

standard testing technique. Then they mix up your allergens in a nasal

spray. Every day my kids do a spritz up both nostrils. Once a month I

call and order a refill. It's more specific than the shots and it give

you nearly full coverage in 2-3 weeks instead of in a year or more, but

it's the same general principle.

Jane

On Oct 29, 2004, at 8:07 PM, jimjakub22 wrote:

>

> We have not tried nasal immunotherapy, I haven't even heard of that

> before. we have been through a number of diets and tried allergy

> shots and sublingual drops with no results. We live in the toledo

> ohio area. 

>      Jim

>

> >

> > >

> > >     Hello, My son is a 12 year old diagnosed with ADHD

> (moderately

> > >  functioning, diagnosed at age 7). He also has been diagnosed as

> > >  growth hormone deficent and has been receiving growth hormone

> drug

> > >  (genotropin) since he was 5. He has asthma and a number of

> > >  allergys.  

> > >     He was born with average height and weight and no problems,

> > >  however within a couple days he developed severe colic and could

> not

> > >  keep his formula down. Eventually he gained his weight back and

> grew

> > >  out of his colic. Around age 3 his growth slowed drastically

> (went

> > >  below zero percentile on the growth charts) and his daycare

> teachers

> > >  started noticing a significant amount of hyperactivity. Ever

> since

> > >  then we have had an uphill battle with his schoolwork. 

> > >      We have been doing different supplement programs most

> have

> met

> > >  with little or no success. Last year we tried chelating with DMSA

> > >  3days on and 11days off one dose per day. We only did a couple of

> > >  rounds with no apparent effect but after that we retried a

> supplement

> > >  schedule(Pfieffer) that we tried before with no success and for

> the

> > >  first time we had tangible results (we were able to reduce his

> > >  adderall and he did much better in school). His doctor keeps

> > >  insisting on allergy treatment (we have tried this without much

> > >  success) but I feel that continued chelation might be the best

> > >  approach even though the above mentioned chelation might not be

> > >  causitive to the improved response to the sup

> plements.         

> > >       Below are the results for a DDI hair taken this august.

>

> > >  appears to(barely) meet rule #3 of the counting rules.

> > >  - Should we chelate?

> > >

> > >  -if so, what would be a conservative time frame to give DMSA only

> > >  before adding ALA? ( received ALA 300mg 2 times a day for 3

> > >  months about 3 years ago, I don't know if that info would

> influence

> > >  your answer.)

> > >

> > >  -kyle has a dental retainer in his mouth constantly, is there a

> > >  problem with that during chelation i.e. it is metal but i don't

> know

> > >  what it is made of.

> > >

> > >  -does genotropin contain mercury?

> > >

> > >

> > >  POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> > >  element result ref range color

> > >  ==============================================

> > >  aluminum 11 < 8.0 yellow

> > >  antimony 0.07 < .066 yellow

> > >  arsenic 0.064 < .08 green

> > >  beryllium <0.01 < 0.02 no line

> > >  bismuth .019 < .060 green

> > >  cadmium .13 < .15 green

> > >  lead .88 < 1.5 green

> > >  mercury 0.45 < .4 yellow

> > >  platinum .003 < .005 no line

> > >  thallium < .001 < .01 no line

> > >  thorium < .001 < .005 no line

> > >  uranium .012 < .06 green

> > >  nickel .16 < .4 green

> > >  silver .14 < .13 yellow

> > >  tin .25 < .3 green

> > >  titanium .96 < 1.0 green

> > >  ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> > >  element result ref range color under/over 50%

> > >  ============================================================

> > >  Calcium 495 200-700 green over 50%

> > >  Magnesium 21 18-70 green under 50%

> > >  Sodium 210 12-90 yellow over 50%

> > >  Potassium 220 10-40 red over 50%

> > >  Copper 42 10-30 yellow over 50%

> > >  Zinc 160 130-200 green under 50%

> > >  Manganese 0.26 0.15-0.65 green under 50%

> > >  Chromium 0.76 0.20-0.4 red over 50%

> > >  Vanadium 0.089 0.02-0.075 yellow over 50%

> > >  Molybdenum 0.063 0.031-0.062 yellow over 50%

> > >  Boron 2.5 0.34-3.0 green over 50%

> > >  Iodine 0.21 0.25-1.3 yellow under 50%

> > >  Lithium 0.012 0.007-0.023 green green 50%

> > >  Phosphorus 179 160-250 green under 50%

> > >  Selenium 3.3 0.95-1.7 red over 50%

> > >  Strontium 1.5 0.3-3.2 green over 50%

> > >  Sulfur 48200 44000-52000 white over 50%

> > >  Barium 1.0 0.17-1.5 green over 50%

> > >  Cobalt 0.012 0.013-0.035 yellow under 50%

> > >  Iron 15 5.8-13 yellow over 50%

> > >  Germanium 0.039 0.045-0.065 yellow under 50%

> > >  Rubidium 0.21 0.009-0.090 yellow over 50%

> > >  Zirconium 0.36 0.047-.70 green over 50%

> > >

> > >      Thanks in advance for any info you can pass onto me,

> > >           Jim Jakubowski

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > =======================================================

> > > 

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello, My son is a 12 year old diagnosed with ADHD (moderately

> functioning, diagnosed at age 7). He also has been diagnosed as

> growth hormone deficent and has been receiving growth hormone drug

> (genotropin) since he was 5. He has asthma and a number of

> allergys.

> He was born with average height and weight and no problems,

> however within a couple days he developed severe colic and could

not

> keep his formula down. Eventually he gained his weight back and

grew

> out of his colic. Around age 3 his growth slowed drastically (went

> below zero percentile on the growth charts) and his daycare

teachers

> started noticing a significant amount of hyperactivity. Ever since

> then we have had an uphill battle with his schoolwork.

> We have been doing different supplement programs most have met

> with little or no success. Last year we tried chelating with DMSA

> 3days on and 11days off one dose per day.

Once per day is often a problem, and dosing every 4 hours

is MUCH safer with DMSA. Once a day can cause problems.

> We only did a couple of

> rounds with no apparent effect but after that we retried a

supplement

> schedule(Pfieffer) that we tried before with no success and for

the

> first time we had tangible results (we were able to reduce his

> adderall and he did much better in school). His doctor keeps

> insisting on allergy treatment (we have tried this without much

> success) but I feel that continued chelation might be the best

> approach even though the above mentioned chelation might not be

> causitive to the improved response to the supplements.

> Below are the results for a DDI hair taken this august.

> appears to(barely) meet rule #3 of the counting rules.

> - Should we chelate?

>

> -if so, what would be a conservative time frame to give DMSA only

> before adding ALA? ( received ALA 300mg 2 times a day for 3

> months about 3 years ago, I don't know if that info would

influence

> your answer.)

HOLY SMOKE. Excuse me, 300 mg twice a day is a HUGE amount

to give a child. Yikes. This could actually have been quite

harmful. Did he show any regression or improvement that you

associate with this?

>

> -kyle has a dental retainer in his mouth constantly, is there a

> problem with that during chelation i.e. it is metal but i don't

know

> what it is made of.

check with the dentist. It is probably stainless steel, in

which case it is okay to chelate with it there.

>

> -does genotropin contain mercury?

I don't know. I don't know what genotropin is

I didn't " count " the test below, but I guess I'd tend to think

that it is a good idea to try chelating with FREQUENT doses,

since he has been through the ringer with chelation in the

past. Try it the better way and see if that helps.

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Andy_dose_sched.html

Also, be sure to give him zinc 3 or 4 times a day to reduce

the mildly elevated copper result.

good wishes,

Moria

>

>

> POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color

> ==============================================

> aluminum 11 < 8.0 yellow

> antimony 0.07 < .066 yellow

> arsenic 0.064 < .08 green

> beryllium <0.01 < 0.02 no line

> bismuth .019 < .060 green

> cadmium .13 < .15 green

> lead .88 < 1.5 green

> mercury 0.45 < .4 yellow

> platinum .003 < .005 no line

> thallium < .001 < .01 no line

> thorium < .001 < .005 no line

> uranium .012 < .06 green

> nickel .16 < .4 green

> silver .14 < .13 yellow

> tin .25 < .3 green

> titanium .96 < 1.0 green

> ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color under/over 50%

> ============================================================

> Calcium 495 200-700 green over 50%

> Magnesium 21 18-70 green under 50%

> Sodium 210 12-90 yellow over 50%

> Potassium 220 10-40 red over 50%

> Copper 42 10-30 yellow over 50%

> Zinc 160 130-200 green under 50%

> Manganese 0.26 0.15-0.65 green under 50%

> Chromium 0.76 0.20-0.4 red over 50%

> Vanadium 0.089 0.02-0.075 yellow over 50%

> Molybdenum 0.063 0.031-0.062 yellow over 50%

> Boron 2.5 0.34-3.0 green over 50%

> Iodine 0.21 0.25-1.3 yellow under 50%

> Lithium 0.012 0.007-0.023 green green 50%

> Phosphorus 179 160-250 green under 50%

> Selenium 3.3 0.95-1.7 red over 50%

> Strontium 1.5 0.3-3.2 green over 50%

> Sulfur 48200 44000-52000 white over 50%

> Barium 1.0 0.17-1.5 green over 50%

> Cobalt 0.012 0.013-0.035 yellow under 50%

> Iron 15 5.8-13 yellow over 50%

> Germanium 0.039 0.045-0.065 yellow under 50%

> Rubidium 0.21 0.009-0.090 yellow over 50%

> Zirconium 0.36 0.047-.70 green over 50%

>

> Thanks in advance for any info you can pass onto me,

> Jim Jakubowski